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kaleokahu Aug 27, 2013 01:04 PM

Hi, All:

Today I received back from the metal plater my "new" 4mm x 36cm Gaillard rondeau. I found Acme Plating through a recommendation from my friend Peter at Rocky Mountain Retinning.

The cost ($171) worked out to $9.50 per inch, which is just slightly more than some tinners charge. And if it weren't for a Colorado environmental surcharge on plating, the cost would have been almost exactly the *same*. Compared with the price quoted by Zappfe in Seattle ($28/inch), Acme was quite the bargain, at 1/3 the price. The total cost to me for this large, massive pan lined in silver ($142 +$171= $313) ended up being less than a new 3Q A-C copper core saute!

Acme turned the pan around within 2 weeks as I requested and cleaned and polished the pan. As you can see in the photos, the lining's finish was kept matte, since polishing would remove some silver, and a mirror finish would just get scuffed in use anyway.

Now on to testing. Acme claims the lining is a full 15 microns thick. I'll cook in her, and report back how the lining performs and wears. I'm really looking forward to being able to cook, worry-free, at >425F. If it holds up as well as I think it will, I'm going to have a saute, frypan and roaster silvered as well, and then perhaps just silver all my pans if/when the tinning ever wears out.

Acme Plating (est. 1918)
1831 Launa Drive
Montrose, CO 81401
Phone: (970) 249-8996
Fax: (970) 240-4571
http://acmeplating.com/

Aloha,
Kaleo

 
 
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    laraffinee Aug 27, 2013 01:13 PM

    WOW! That is so beautiful! I have wanted to cook with something like that - I will am eager to read of your experiences!

    Was the original lining tin? If it is the bomb for cooking, rather than re-tinning, I will consider a silver lining!

    Thanks for posting!

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    1. re: laraffinee
      kaleokahu Aug 27, 2013 01:38 PM

      Hi, lara:

      Yes, the original lining was tin, but it was almost completely gone.

      I'm not sure about "the bomb" (hello NSA, lara and I are just visiting). Let's just say the copper itself is the "weak" link now. My only other silver-lined pan was a 2mm-thick Georg Jensen Taverna frypan (since resold). It was a little stickier than I'd hoped, not worse than tin, just *different*. We'll see with the rondeau--What's the worst that could happen, better fond?

      Aloha,
      Kaleo

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        laraffinee Aug 27, 2013 02:25 PM

        I bet it will create a great fond!

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      ellabee Aug 27, 2013 09:27 PM

      That is a thing of beauty -- and a best-case scenario for function.

      It's wide enough to be a pretty great roaster as well as braiser. Have fun!

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        sueatmo Aug 27, 2013 10:03 PM

        Very impressive. Interested to know how it performs.

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          KungPaoDumplings Aug 28, 2013 01:05 AM

          Congratulations Kaleo! That's so exciting!

          It's really beautiful, you'll have to tell us how it goes.

          What are you going to cook in it first?

          Grats again, it's absolutely lovely.

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            seattle_lee Aug 28, 2013 10:06 AM

            Did they strip off the old tin lining first?

            Also, sulfur is reactive with silver. Do you plan on avoid eggs in the dish?

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            1. re: seattle_lee
              kaleokahu Aug 28, 2013 10:49 AM

              Hi, Lee:

              Yes, the old lining was stripped as part of the process, but there wasn't much to start with.

              Regarding the reaction with eggs, I'd like to know more about this. I had a silver-lined frypan for awhile, in which I cooked lots of eggs with no discoloration or off taste.

              You're not suggesting cooking eggs in a silvered pan causes argyria, are you? I checked and the EPA reference dose, which represents the estimated daily exposure which is UNlikely to incur an appreciable risk of deleterious effects during a lifetime, is 5 µg/(kg*d).

              Or are you talking about formation of tarnish, silver sulfide? Actually, aluminum has a greater affinity for sulfur than does silver, which fact gave rise to the method of removing tarnish by boiling your silver with a wad of aluminum foil.

              I'll post photos if I start turning blue.

              Aloha,
              Kaleo

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                seattle_lee Aug 28, 2013 02:42 PM

                Kaleo,

                Yeah, I'm talking about tarnish. I don't know that the sulfur content in eggs reacts with silver -- I guess it must not, given your past experience.

                1. re: seattle_lee
                  kaleokahu Aug 28, 2013 03:16 PM

                  Hi, Lee:

                  I'm still learning about this silver stuff. All I know is that the lining in my prior pan didn't tarnish noticeably when I cooked eggs in it.

                  Lots of stuff accelerates silver tarnishing. Rubber, for instance. This includes dishmats, placemats, silverware holders, latex gloves and rubber bands. Materials like wool, fossil fuels, even a few types of paint cause or accelerate it.

                  Aloha,
                  Kaleo

                  1. re: kaleokahu
                    breadchick Aug 28, 2013 03:26 PM

                    Tell me about it. I have a beautiful silver trinket box with a carved bone and filigreed lid. When moving, I packed it and used a RUBBERBAND to secure it.

                    Oops. Still can't remove all of the tarnish.

            2. sherrib Aug 28, 2013 03:10 PM

              That pan is gorgeous! I am very eager to hear how the silver performs compared with tin.

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              1. re: sherrib
                kaleokahu Aug 28, 2013 03:25 PM

                Hi, Sherri: "...gorgeous!"

                Thanks to some unknown French dinandier (probably now pounding copper in the Hereafter) and Acme plating.

                This was the last major piece I needed in my batterie, so I'm very happy. I even have a solid lead on a cover!

                Aloha,
                Kaleo

                1. re: kaleokahu
                  sherrib Aug 28, 2013 03:31 PM

                  kaleo,

                  "This was the last major piece..."

                  Sure sure.

                  1. re: sherrib
                    kaleokahu Aug 28, 2013 06:27 PM

                    Hi, Sherri:

                    Am I that easy to read?

                    Yes, OK, there are a few semi-holes in my batterie where if the *perfect* piece came along, I'd jump. But they are few (a smaller rondeau, a smaller roaster, a bit smaller saute, a cocotte exactly the size of the LC 5.5 oven). And I would consider discarding/reselling a piece to trade up in quality (maybe a boullion stockpot with spigot). Other than that, though, the urgency has gone out of acquiring more pans.

                    Aloha,
                    Kaleo

                    1. re: kaleokahu
                      sherrib Aug 29, 2013 05:35 AM

                      Hi kaleo,

                      "Am I that easy to read?"

                      No. Let's just say it takes one to know one ;)

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                jljohn Aug 29, 2013 06:01 AM

                WOW! Ok, that's pretty much all I have to say, so, wow!

                Please do report back on it's use and function. Also, how soft is silver compared to tin? I assume that you'd still want to avoid a metal whisk in a silver-plated Windsor. right?

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                1. re: jljohn
                  kaleokahu Aug 29, 2013 07:18 AM

                  Hi, Jeremy:

                  Tin is 1.5-1.8 on the Mohs scale, whereas silver is 2.5-4.

                  Yes, no metal utensils.

                  Aloha,
                  Kaleo

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                  VongolaDecimo Aug 29, 2013 06:27 AM

                  I was just loving my Pre-Griswold skillet after NUMEROUS trials experimenting with seasoning and now you're basically telling me I dont need it anymore and that I can use my copper for high temperature searing if I have it lined with silver???? And you even have the audacity to show off your silver-lined 4mm Gaillard rondeau, something i've been searching for on ebay for the longest time now? This must be how Leonardo DiCaprio feels without an Oscar. You make me jelly. >:(

                  But seriously...where did you manage to find your rondeau and at such great a price? $142??? I have this thread bookmarked and cant wait for your results. I have never retinned before and looks like I may never have to. If it goes well for you I will have all of my my pans stripped and silvered. I also love how Acme does the gold plating for the Grammys.

                  1. kaleokahu Sep 16, 2013 02:17 PM

                    Thanks to two kind souls, I now have a cover for this rondeau! It pleases me that this cover was so artisically re-purposed.

                    I really can't thank Ginger, owner of Four & Twenty Kitchen Antiques, enough! http://184.154.229.9/~c4and20k/home

                    If you haven't checked her site, you should. And I believe she has >150 other covers that are not advertised, so if you need one, just ask her!

                    Aloha,
                    Kaleo

                     
                     
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                      KungPaoDumplings Sep 16, 2013 07:28 PM

                      Grats Kaleo, it's very pretty!

                      1. re: KungPaoDumplings
                        kaleokahu Sep 16, 2013 07:57 PM

                        Hi, KPD:

                        Yes, she's very pretty. She was born (who knows when?) as a common English cover with a tongue handle. And now she's married a real Dauphin, remade, wearing a simple garland of hammered hearts. They will be good together.

                        And who *was* the "VR" whose mark she still bears?

                        Aloha,
                        Kaleo

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                          KungPaoDumplings Sep 17, 2013 01:01 PM

                          What an interesting history, I hope you find out more about her sometime; it'd be really awesome to know who "VR" is!

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                      michaelbreu Jan 11, 2014 11:15 AM

                      Any thoughts after cooking with this for a few months? How does it perform vs tin?

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                      1. re: michaelbreu
                        kaleokahu Jan 11, 2014 12:32 PM

                        Hi, michael:

                        So far, so good. I'm not noticing any performance enhancement of silver vs. tin. It seems to have about the same degree of fond-ness/nonstick, and deglazes/soaks clean pretty much like tin, too.

                        So far, my emerging conclusion is that silver is a hedge against heating empty and melting tin.

                        Provided the lining holds up a few more months, my next pans I'm going to have silvered are a saute, a frypan, and a roaster.

                        Aloha,
                        Kaleo

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