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Central Avenue Updates - Scarsdale/White Plains

So, looks like former Morton Williams/Turco's location will become a Mrs. Greens. Ugh - not a fan.

Also, down the road the former sushi location next to Zaza/Rustico will now be "D&A Smokehouse" bbq - could be good. We shall see.

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    1. re: wincountrygirl

      Why ugh? It's in the center whose parking lot adjoins H-Mart, and right down the road from Trader Joe's.

      Seems to me that Mrs. Green's complements those places, offering different items.

      Is there still a Mrs. Greens well south of there, in the shopping center with the other Asian food market (Golden Dragon? some other name?)?

      1. re: Elisa515

        Ugh is I was hoping for a Fairway. I have not one but 2 Mrs. Greens within 10 minutes of where I live.

        1. re: wincountrygirl

          We in the northern river towns have trouble sympathizing :) --especially with Zeytinia apparently imploding, or maybe it's already closed.

          Fairway would have been nice, though, you're right. I bet the amount of space would have worked, too.

          1. re: Elisa515

            No way that store would have been big enough for a Fairway. Fairway is opening 65,000 square foot stores these days. I think that's bigger than H Mart, which is only 37,000 square feet.

        2. re: Elisa515

          Mrs. Green's is south of there, but I bet it will close when the new location opens.

          1. re: Elisa515

            No kidding, there's an H-mart on Central now?

            Also, did I hear correctly that the most profitable CPK is the Scarsdale one?

            Lastly, I was disappointed (just a little bit, 'tis all) to learn that the Nathan's was knocked down. What's happening in its place?

            Jonathan
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            1. re: BuildingMyBento

              Nathans is going to be a CVS superstore with a Nathans franchise inside.

              1. re: BuildingMyBento

                Not sure what a CPK is.

                Yes, H-Mart is in the space formerly occupied by Pathmark, in the shopping center just north of the one with Trader Joe's, just south of the former Turco's/Morton Williams.

                1. re: Elisa515

                  California Pizza Kitchen.

                  Most profitable CPK is at the Waterfront in Marina dey Rey.

          2. unlikely to get a "real" bbq place in that location, i would think, still,one can hope

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            1. As for that smokehouse/bbq. I don't have any hope at all. Not a single mention of a smoker or a single photo of one. Not any mention of real 'cue at all. Only a grill. (sigh)

              I am aso ugh for Mrs. Greens. Also not a fan, and there is one on Rt 22 in Scarsdale/Eastchester and the one next to Golden Shopping Center a mile or so south, unless it closes.

              Fairway would have been nice. Wegman's would have been a dream come true.

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              1. re: JMF

                I would have given just about anything for Wegmans!

                1. re: scarsdalesurprise

                  There is going to be a Wegmans opening in Montvale, NJ, which is just over the border from Rockland.

                  http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/900399

                  Not Westchester, but a lot closer than what we have now. And you can shop at Fairway in Paramus or (as of tomorrow) Nanuet while you're over there.

                2. re: JMF

                  I've never been in Wegman's but based on everyone's comments I'd love one. I am not enthused at all about Mrs. Greens. The only thing I get there - the Muir Glen tomatoes are usually cheaper there than in the supermarket. And if I need vitamins! Otherwise, from the two near me - the produce is not very good and its very expensive.

                  1. re: wincountrygirl

                    And I find that Mrs. Green's has that weird health food store vitamin smell, which I find repulsive.

                        1. re: roxlet

                          So totally agree! I'm veg and I can barely stand to walk into Mrs G's. I hate the Whole Foods' parking lot (White Plains) but at least WF doesn't have that objectionable stench.

                          1. re: mrsdebdav

                            WF is opening in Port Chester on October 22nd! No more having to deal with the WP parking lot!!!

                        2. re: wincountrygirl

                          A Wegman's is huge. Probably as big as Stew's or Costco. No place for them with current zoning. Maybe one day when the 5,000,000 sq. ft. of vacant, obsolete office parks are rezoned. I am not sure we need a huge supermarket around here. No one wants to hear it but we need some modern gas stations and auto dealership facilities.

                        3. re: JMF

                          Look at their menu... it mentions a Cookshack smoker. I know them... electric commercial smoker which uses a small amount of wood, in a box surrounding the heat element. Can be OK, but not the same as real wood-smoked product... I have used both: I had a home model cookshack and got rid of it after a few years... moved on! They have a narrow menu, and it is possible to produce a good meal, depending on many factors...

                          1. re: woodburner

                            That menu and info is completely new since I last checked it out. There was no mention of the menu, smoker, or "15 hour brisket." The website must be brand new and they are still building it. I'm now a bit more curious.

                            I haven't used a Cookshack. I have a Bradley for home use and small events that I like. I've had pure wood smokers of all types, but not doing it pro anymore.

                            1. re: JMF

                              What's funny is that the site, I think it was a cleaner's? They remodeled and a guy did BBQ... someone connected me to him. I wanted to do authentic/wood/quality, and he wanted to do something quicker/commercial, and he did, and he went out pretty quick.. then it was Japanese... now BBQ again. We'll see.

                              Has anyone tried the BBQ at Four Corners in Hartsdale? Been there maybe a year or so? Looks depressing...

                              1. re: woodburner

                                I've glanced at it, but as you say, it looks depressing. I know I should have stopped in since I am at the Japanese market a few doors down quite often, but there is no sign or smell of smoke.

                                1. re: JMF

                                  I just looked at the website again, and they say they will be using mesquite to smoke with. Definitely not traditional, real BBQ. Mesquite is traditionally used for grilling because it burns so hot. To hot for low and slow real BBQ, plus it is too overpowering. I wonder if they are even going to open though since there doesn't seem to be any news.

                                  1. re: JMF

                                    I take out bar be que chicken frequently. Sometimes ribs. I think it is very good. I am not a barbeque expert but for us it is good takeout.

                                    1. re: Barrels41

                                      Have you gotten food from this place? When did the open?

                            2. re: JMF

                              From what I've heard, you can't get a smoker license in Westchester.

                              1. re: traceyk

                                Traceyk, there have been several BBQ places over the years in Westchester that have smokers. There was a place in North White Plains, another in Valhalla, etc. Each town makes their own zoning laws, so it isn't a Westchester thing. I've never heard of a "smoker license" if you have any information about that, a source for a Westchester "license", I would love to hear.

                                1. re: JMF

                                  Hi JMF. The county does license restaurants, however. It's not so much a smoking license, as overall resto. Now, if neighbors complain about smoke, then I think the county can require a precipitator, or change of equipment. Yeah, that Valhalla place had a J&R LIttle Red Smokehouse, which was all wood. But almost all places up here use a commercial combo, either gas/elect with some wood. Lots of Southern Prides, Ole Hickorys, etc. I like to use mesquite in small amounts with beef. And I believe what I'm doing with my briskets still qualifies as real BBQ. ;-)

                                  1. re: woodburner

                                    The key word is small amounts of mesquite. This restaurant says that's all they will use. They also say 15 hour smoked brisket. Can you imagine 15 hours of mesquite? I don't even like to think of that.

                                    Sure, the county license's restaurants. But I never heard of a smoker license.

                                    (With a name like woodburner I am sure you are doing ral BBQ.)

                                    1. re: JMF

                                      Very acrid. Not good for long smoking at all. Hickory, cherry, oak, any hardwood really, according to my DH who is the Pitmaster.

                                      1. re: JMF

                                        Yep. Agree. I think they mean all they use is mesquite, in the small amounts that go in the gas pit! And while no smoker license, I think the health dept can still jerk you around about the smoker...

                                        1. re: woodburner

                                          Looks like they may be open. I just drove by and while they had paper on the windows, they also had the new sign up and an "open" Sign up as well.

                                          1. re: JMF

                                            http://dnasmokehousebbq.com/

                                            oops, sorry, didn't realize web site was already common knowledge.

                                            1. re: JMF

                                              They're not answering their phone.

                                  2. re: JMF

                                    Supposedly Mrs Green's now sells Ta'iam hummous (the place in Hastings). Used to get that stuff at the Bronxville Farmer's Market. It's the best tasting premade hummous I have ever had and I have tried a lot of them. That would be a reason for me to go there if it is true and they manage to keep it in stock.

                                    1. re: jcmods

                                      Yes, true. Bought some there myself the other day. I recall they had a number of flavor variations.

                                      1. re: mrsdebdav

                                        I tried their Saffron Hummus and it was really good.

                                  3. The former Bread Factory Cafe location in the Traders Joe strip mall will become a Bareburger.

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                                    1. re: djca

                                      Educate me. What's a Bareburger?

                                          1. re: roxlet

                                            shake shack*L*/ or as i said earlier- plan b ,which has big full size (read fat-like homemade) not really fast food type- but looked awfully good

                                            1. re: roxlet

                                              funny story- my first mini cooper- back in 2002 had a license plate surround for inn-n-out, ppl. were often asking questions, when i stopped-they were very rare in those days, one time a guy had me roll down the window- he shouted out "do you like yours animal style?- light changed and i drove off, wondering what he was talking about, weeks later i noticed my bracket, and realized what he meant.

                                        1. re: djca

                                          Tough with Smashburger opening on Tarrytown Rd. Jake's Wayback Burgers next to Verizon is a bust. Chipotle would have been a home run. You have to be the top dog in your niche today. Wallets are tight and the customer is fussy.

                                            1. re: woodburner

                                              Loehmann's Center. Their sign is up.

                                              1. re: Barrels41

                                                Sorry... is that by White Plains Bowl?

                                                  1. re: Barrels41

                                                    I had lunch at Smashburger in White Plains. Always a line. Very nice bright restaurant. Very good food and attentive employees. Creative burger recipes. I want in on the IPO!

                                        2. The new owners of Mrs. Green's want to be more like Whole Foods and less granola and Birkenstocks. They also leased the closed Gourmet on Broadway in Tarrytown.

                                          It's a tough niche for that location because all the aggressive supermarkets are selling organics. Also the local area in Hartsdale is mixed income and the local upper middle to higher income customers are "old school".

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                                          1. re: Barrels41

                                            Didn't know Mrs Green's has new owners. I think that's good news - their stores have been going downhill for years IMHO. Any info on who the new owners are?

                                            1. re: mrsdebdav

                                              Went to the Mrs G on Post in Scarsdale this morning. Everything is being moved around, and lots of hammering and construction noises.

                                              1. re: mrsdebdav

                                                Hopefully they'll upgrade their store in Yorktown as well.

                                                1. re: mrsdebdav

                                                  Briarcliff store is beautifully renovated. Lots more products; I didn't do a thorough look around, but the produce looked great and there was much more variety.

                                                  1. re: Elisa515

                                                    I agree the Briarcliff store looks nice, but it seems like there's more "packaged" stuff and less "bulk" (i.e. inexpensive) stuff. I forget what I was looking for; I just remembered when I found it, it was much more expensive than it used to be.

                                                    1. re: DGresh

                                                      Agree! No more wonderful bulk nuts, etc. And the packaged stuff is now commercial (as opposed to cooked by "Chef Mark") and almost double the price it used to be. Actually, many of their prices make Whole Foods seem reasonable! And although I agree the renovation is nice, there seems to be no rhyme or reason to the organization, with randomly displayed goods. My dog (whose favorited biscuits are no longer stocked there) and I are not impressed.

                                                  2. re: mrsdebdav

                                                    Went to the new Mrs Green's on Central Ave today. It's gigantic and the staff is lovely. Highly recommend.
                                                    Different than Whole Foods in that there isn't the depth of prepared foods, which is fine with me as this isn't my area of interest.

                                                    1. re: mrsdebdav

                                                      Yes, I stopped in today when I was at HMart. Really nice store with friendly employees all over the place. It reminded me visually of the Fresh Market in Eastchester. It does not appear that they've closed the one further down Central Avenue. Does anyone know if they're planning to? Certainly a major step up from their other stores!