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What was the name of the steakhouse restaurant in La Jolla where Alfonso's started about 35+ years ago?

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  1. Hmmmmmm......Chuck's Steakhouse was across the street from Alfonso's.

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    1. re: eatemup

      Is Chuck's the place that was down the short flight of stairs and back a bit?

      1. re: DoctorChow

        I think that was the Chart House, but that was a l-o-n-g time ago and I'm probably wrong

        1. re: DiningDiva

          No, I wasn't thinking of the Chart House. That was down further. What I'm recalling was near George's. You walked down about six steps or so off Prospect and then waked maybe 25 ft to get to their entrance, which was on the right. They used to have a decent bar, too. Yeah, that's sure a long time back!!

        2. re: DoctorChow

          Yes, down the little flight of stairs across Prospect from where Alfonso's is now. Chuck's was were Azul is now.

      2. Chuck's was across the street from Alfonso's and down a small flight of stairs to the right.
        Bratskellar is where George's Modern restaurant is located and George Hauer(George's) and Paul Dobson (Dobson's) were a couple of the bartenders/GM.
        Chart House is where Eddie V's is at now.

        The good ol' days. .

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        1. re: Beach Chick

          In their day, the Bratskeller and Chart House were two of my favorite (albeit very different) places in LJ.

          Bratskeller for cheap beer and good eats, and Chart House for pretty good food and a romantic atmosphere.

          Sigh..

          1. re: Beach Chick

            I was one of the bartenders at The Bratskellar, BC - probably got you drunk once or twice. Paul worked there, but George Hauer was a CRS management guy - Monterrey Whaling Co., Tortilla Flats et al and never worked at the Brat.

            The OP was asking about Chuck's, I'm sure.

            1. re: deckape

              LOL..you probably served me a Mateus..
              Oops, guess I remembered it differently...it was the 70's though.
              ; D
              Bartenders always bought us drinks..thank you!

              1. re: Beach Chick

                Well, at least it wasn't a Lancers. And, it was always rewarding to buy drinks for women. One of the perks of tending bar.

                I still have a Brat menu in one of my chests and one of these days I'll shoot it and post it just for grins. I also still have a Brat apron.

                1. re: deckape

                  Ahhh. Herr nasty womanizer! ;) Please do post the menu. And a photo of the apron!

                  Memory lane....

                  1. re: deckape

                    Would love to see the menu..apron too!
                    Looking back, never paid for meals or drinks...good ol' days of being young and hot..

                    1. re: Beach Chick

                      Can't believe you're not still........

                      1. re: Beach Chick

                        Here you go, BC, a genuine piece of the past. Can't find the apron but I found one of my old work shirts so I posted that. The menu was one that I used to train with so it's ugly with resto shorthand and pretty stained up. Surprised I kept this stuff all these years - but maybe not, it was a whole lot of fun! This menu is circa 1979ish probably earlier. If you remember Bill Walker (Willie Wonka), Gary Fisher, Danny Myers then you know my era. The Brat belonged to a resto group out of LA and they had three other Brats and another one of long forgotten name. The space had a brief life as LJ's Bar & Grill under Paul Dobson before it was sold to George and became a quality restaurant. Paul went on to open Andalucia with photograper Vivre (?sp) and after that failed he went into the space that became Dobson's - worked for him there as well in the heyday. Bertrand also had a space right next door to the Brat - the name escapes me now. Enjoy.

                         
                         
                         
                         
                         
                         
                        1. re: deckape

                          Thanks Deckape for the photos, it brings back lots of memories. I used to go to the one by UCLA in the early '70's. It was in an old Ralphs building. It was quite the hangout for students back then

                          1. re: littlestevie

                            Happy to help you indulge in some nostalgia.

                            1. re: deckape

                              Went there on my 21st birthday. I was dating a much older woman at the time (she was 27 IIRC) and they carded her, but not me...

                              1. re: Fake Name

                                Hmmmm....were you a young gold digger? I mean, she was freaking 27 and you were a child of 21! Disgusting.

                                Really. People at her age use walkers and have dentures and all.

                                Gratuitous restaurant-related remark to keep the mods away:

                                The food was good there.

                          2. re: deckape

                            Love the photos and info! Thanks!

                            1. re: deckape

                              This is awesome deckape!

                              So, the Brat was owned by the resto group out of LA that included Danny Myers...did not know that..the one that is all that in NYC with Union Square Hospitality Group?

                              I bet you have lots of great stories..

                              1. re: Beach Chick

                                No, BC, different Danny Myers (Danny was one of the bartenders) - now a math teacher, probably retired. Willie Wonka is owner of Latitude 32 in PB.

                                My memory has returned and Bertrand's place next to the Brat was named Cote D'Azur. Bertrand's next effort was La Mediterranee.

                                Also, I made a mistake regarding Paul's partner at Andalucia. It was photographer Robert Vavra.

                                What is now the bar area of George's was our liquor room. Served by a dumbwaiter, it was an awesome after-hours hangout-with-a-view that was well used by the bartenders.

                                1. re: deckape

                                  I forgot all about Willie..known him forever with Cass Street and Lat. 32 but never knew his last name was 'Wonka'. :)

                                  Cote D'Azur..didn't know that Bertrand owned it..both great guys.

                                  San Diego is a big small town and love hearing your stories deckape!
                                  Thanks!

                                  1. re: Beach Chick

                                    Pet name is Willie Wonka. Real name is Bill Walker. One reason why Paul and Bertrand are so successful, they seldom forget a customer.

                              2. re: deckape

                                Great memories, indeed! I attended UCSD from '73 to '77 and since I had a car I'd help ferry a crowd of students to the Bratskellar far more times than I could afford. Always had the King Henry's Feast, and we'd argue great issues of literature, philosophy and economics. Thanks for sharing that and re-warming some heart's cockles.

                                  1. re: deckape

                                    Nope: started out at Revelle and ended up graduating the first class out of Fourth. But the topics of conversation were much the same...

                    2. What i am referring to is the steakhouse, on a side street in La Jolla, that provided Alfonso some tables in the back to start his restaurant. Eventually, they all moved to Prospect and were located west of the current Alfonso's.

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                      1. re: franchesco

                        I think I remeber one on Roslyn, just off Prospect, but never went and can't recall the name.

                        1. re: DoctorChow

                          Roslyn is my back alley, and I doubt it was back there. With the exception of 2 small salons and a tailor, zoning only permited/permits residential and back of business delivery for the businesses that front Prospect. Maybe on Ivanhoe or in Manchester Financial building (but doubtful about that one).

                          1. re: foodiechick

                            Husband seems to remember that the location that is now Hennessey's, prior to that Sante's on Herschel was a steakhouse. We have heard the legend of a similar story of Alfonso's beginnings but it was on La Jolla Blvd.

                            1. re: foodiechick

                              Maybe on Cave then? I do remember what I think was a steakhouse in an odd location just off Prospect.

                        2. I got the definitive answer from Alfonso himself. The name of the (in his words) "famous old steakhouse" was The Courtyard (not to be confused with Jose's courtyard. It was on Herschel and is now the parking lot that is next to the Citibank building.

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                          1. re: foodiechick

                            Pretty good sleuthing! Now that's the way to get to the facts!

                            1. re: foodiechick

                              Thanks.
                              But, now that you mentioned the "Courtyard", I remember that the restaurant was called the "Court Room". It was also called Court Room after they moved to Prospect. Eventually, Alfonso took over the whole restaurant, and then moved up the street to current location. The original Court Room on Herschel was a great place---very narrow, but long. The rear tables were the original site of Alfonso's. Quite a success for Alfonso.

                              1. re: franchesco

                                You're absolutely right..."Court Room".

                                1. re: foodiechick

                                  Did this then become Jose's Court Room (which is now just Jose's)???

                                    1. re: eatemup

                                      I think when Alfonso moved, it did become Jose's and the Court Room was carried over for awhile.

                                2. re: foodiechick

                                  I almost called Alfonso's too..
                                  I was also thinking it might of been Botsford's, where Amaya is now.

                                  1. re: Beach Chick

                                    Botsfords was up the stairs not down the stairs. And, yes, the Court Room would be correct. Been a long time since I've thought about this stuff.

                                    I'll get that menu and apron shot and post 'em for the fun of it all. Prices are a revelation.

                                      1. re: Fake Name

                                        That's $9.25 per person...you have the dough to cover that? Items will be subject to the imaginative whims of our eccentric chef.

                                        1. re: deckape

                                          I remember it included corn on the cob, and I forget what else. I was very young at the time.

                                          1. re: Fake Name

                                            I remember steak and lobster on a wooden plank.

                                            1. re: franchesco

                                              @franchesco. Do you mind if I ask why you were wondering about the Court Room in the first place? Nostalgia? Sentimental reasons?

                                              Whatever the reason, it sure got people exercising their memories!

                                              1. re: DoctorChow

                                                Mostly nostalgia- as I've become older, I like to think about the past, when living in San Diego was more provincial and predictable. My wife and I would go to the Court Room often and continued after it became more of Alfonso's than a steak place. The original restaurant on Herschel was quaint. Many from the old AFL Charger team went there. There was a 50 cent pasta night once a week. As Prospect became more commercial, the quaintness and charm faded.

                                                I have another two for you----do you remember Joe Hunt's and Jamar Restaurants on La Jolla Blvd, close to PB??

                                                1. re: franchesco

                                                  Jamar's also had a La Mesa location which is no the Riviera Supper Club. Went frequently with my grandparents, aunt and uncle.