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New report slams 12 US states for restricting access to wines

zin1953 Aug 14, 2013 06:47 AM


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    jock Aug 14, 2013 07:17 AM

    I have lived in AZ for 50 years and now spend much time in MI.

    IMO both deserve a big giant F!

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    1. re: jock
      Bill Hunt Aug 15, 2013 09:17 PM

      Never lived in MI, but for AZ, I concur - F-


    2. Veggo Aug 14, 2013 07:27 AM

      For PA there should be a score lower than an "F".

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      1. re: Veggo
        Delucacheesemonger Aug 14, 2013 01:00 PM

        l give it a M for merde

        1. re: Veggo
          Bill Hunt Aug 15, 2013 09:19 PM

          Yes - F--, at the very best.

          OTOH, I travel down South, to visit family, and encounter so many ABC states, where Kendall-Jackson Vinterner's Reserve is the top wine - nothing else - that maybe PA is not the total worst-of-the-worst - or maybe they are?


          1. re: Bill Hunt
            chloebell Aug 17, 2013 10:49 AM

            Yes Hunt, Alabama is the worst.

            Years ago, I tagged along w/ hubby on business, out to Arizona. I went into a grocery store and was stunned that they sold hard liquor. Right there, in the store! I bought a bottle of bourbon, went up to pay for it, held out my drivers license to show him that I was over 21, and he looked at me like I was crazy. I didn't need to show him any ID at all.

            You'll never have that here in Alabama. The county I went to high school in was dry for years (meaning no alcohol sales what so ever). But I'll say it was the wettest dry county I ever saw!

            1. re: chloebell
              Veggo Aug 17, 2013 11:06 AM

              Texas has many dry counties, and to further complicate matters, various parts of the Dallas metro area are dry.

              1. re: Veggo
                Bill Hunt Aug 17, 2013 07:18 PM

                Way back when, Abilene, TX was dry, but a tiny little area, within the city, Impact, was wet. Walk a block, and you went from dry to wet, then walk two blocks, and you were dry again. Not totally unlike some of the Native American reservations, within the Phoenix Metro-Area, that do recognize Daylight Savings Time, where the non-reservation parts of Phoenix-Metro, do not... confusing, at least to me.

                The thing that I hate most about many ABC states, is that they let distributors do the wine lists, and they push wines that no one would buy, should they have any other option - whole states can have horrible wines - and that does not even begin to address ordering in better wines. If the person, who distributes Yellow Tail, gets the contract, then the best that one can buy is Yellow Tail - or Fat Bastard, or similar - not wines that most of us would order, unless that was all available - and we were on a desert island!


                1. re: Bill Hunt
                  zin1953 Aug 18, 2013 07:28 AM

                  Danger! Danger! Warning, Will Robinson! Thread drift approaching...

                  Yellow Tail? Fat Bastard? What about Happy Bitch???


                  1. re: Bill Hunt
                    maria lorraine Aug 19, 2013 12:23 AM

                    <<Walk a block, and you went from dry to wet, then walk two blocks, and you were dry again. >>

                    If only Richard Pryor or George Carlin were alive, they'd do a whole routine on this. Hilarious.

          2. Akitist Aug 20, 2013 09:10 PM

            Rather gratifying to find that there's a group advocating for wine consumers. Seems like most groups are trying to restrict something or other.

            1. Midlife Aug 23, 2013 11:21 AM

              Other boards have discussed this report and posters report a LOT of inaccuracies in the state-by-state specifics. The organization behind the report has asked for input to make corrections.

              No explanation, that I could see, of how their research could have been so off, except possibly that shippers tend to ignore the individual state laws unless they're big enough to get caught. Actually having wine shipped to them or not is what most people judge by....... not necessarily what the law is.

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