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jen kalb Aug 13, 2013 09:27 AM

I was looking for info on Georgia today and noticed that the various republics in the former Soviet Union, from the Baltics to Central Asia, did not seemed to be assigned to any Board. Europe references only "Russia" Am I missing something or is clarifiction needed?

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  1. Jacquilynne Aug 13, 2013 10:31 AM

    The items listed under "Incl." are not an exhaustive list, they're just there to provide light guidance and help people who are searching for the most commonly searched for things find their way to the right board.

    Anything that's in Europe and not covered under one of the separate country boards ( UK/Ireland, Spain/Portugal, France, Italy) is covered on the Europe board, so the Baltic states are included there.

    Kazakhstan et al are a bit trickier. Arguments could be made for including them in several boards that border on that region. I couldn't find much if any previous discussion of them when I last realigned the International boards, but I think I intended them to be included on the Middle East board.

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    1. re: Jacquilynne
      Dave MP Aug 13, 2013 11:03 AM

      Central Asia discussions should go on the Middle East & Africa board. If you look at that board description, you'll see it includes Southwest Asia, as well.

      The only borderline country is Kazakhstan, but I'd probably include posts about Kazakhstan on that board as well. As far as I'm seeing in our search feature, nobody has posted about that country since 2008, and at that time, we didn't have the Middle East & Africa board.

      Pakistan is included on the India & South Asia board, but I think all other countries that end with 'stan' should fall under Middle East & Africa board.

      1. re: Dave MP
        jen kalb Aug 13, 2013 11:15 AM

        Perhaps then, the description should change to Central from SW Asia, - Turkey, after all, is covered in Europe and the rest of SW Asia is covered in Mideast - that simple change might might resolve the difficulty - something cant be at the same time SW and Central!!

        Id suggest that if a Board is there the discussion traffic can come - if there is not a fairly explicit territorial inclusion or an ambiguity (did we mean Soviet Union when we said Russia?) it will stay away.

        1. re: jen kalb
          c oliver Aug 13, 2013 12:01 PM

          Except for Istanbul which straddles Europe and Asia, as far as I know, Turkey is in Europe.

          1. re: c oliver
            John E. Aug 14, 2013 12:22 PM

            Only about 3% of the total area of Turkey in in Europe, but 10% of the population lives on that side of the Bosphorus.

          2. re: jen kalb
            Dave MP Aug 13, 2013 12:29 PM

            I would feel okay changing "Southwest Asia" to be "Central Asia" instead. I think we chose Southwest because then it helps to include the Caucuses, which aren't really part of the Middle East or Central Asia.

            But in my mind, the Middle East & Africa board should cover the following former Soviet countries:

            Azerbaijan
            Armenia
            Georgia
            Kazakhstan
            Turkmenistan
            Uzbekistan
            Tajikstan
            Kyrgyzstan

            Meanwhile, the following countries would be included on the Europe board:

            Russia
            Turkey
            Moldova
            Ukraine
            Belarus
            Lithuania
            Latvia
            Estonia

            1. re: Dave MP
              jen kalb Aug 13, 2013 01:01 PM

              that classification looks right to me.

              1. re: Dave MP
                girloftheworld Aug 13, 2013 05:55 PM

                Unless it is like my school where the Russian kids don't talk to the Estonian kids unless it is to gang up on the Ukraine kids

                1. re: girloftheworld
                  John E. Aug 14, 2013 12:27 PM

                  That's quite a UN thing your school has. How did that come to be? Also, why are the Ukrainian kids getting ganged up on?

                  1. re: John E.
                    girloftheworld Aug 14, 2013 12:48 PM

                    I go to an international baccalaureate school. The Ukrkrainian kids just get picked on by the Russian and Estonian kids..it is a weird dynamic. But..you never want to make the mistake of asking a Esotonian kid if he/she is Russian. You also should just say "latino" because the students from Argentina do not being grouped with the students from Mexico.because they are not "hispanic" I think last count we had 17 countries represented in my school..and six languages spoken.

                    1. re: girloftheworld
                      John E. Aug 14, 2013 01:03 PM

                      You don't want to ask the Ukrainian kids if they are Russian either, but I bet you knew that. The only former Soviet Republic, other than Russia, who the citizens self-identify as Russians are those from Belarus, or White Russia.

                      1. re: John E.
                        girloftheworld Aug 14, 2013 01:24 PM

                        It is an intersting place to be..and a place that certainly gives you a wider perspective than who is wearing the cutest shoes..you see a kid a crying in the lunch room and it is because the town his family in Egypt lives in got bombed not because someone made fun of his lunch box.

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