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Aug 8, 2013 06:23 AM
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Curent best vacuum sealer?

Anyone have any opinions on a reasonable price (less than $200) current best food saver? We eat A LOT of steak and love grass fed meat which our store doesn't always carry so I like to buy in bulk when they have it. I currently triple wrap with plastic wrap, freezer paper and aluminum foil but I thought that a vacuum sealer might be a better long-term option. Does anyone have any current recommendations?

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  1. You want one of the original foodsavers, made in italy (flaem nuova). You can find them on eBay. expect to spend about $50-$60. These units can be repaired easily. They can seal wet bags...These machines are fantastic. I can seal 40-50 items in a row before I have to let the machine rest...

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    1. re: whelmar

      You are 100% right. Unlike the throwaways in the big box stores today, the originals have a heavy duty piston vacuum pump which liquids don't harm, heavy duty transformer & seal bar (not cheap wire) which seals wet slime covered bags with out a hiccup. The proof is whats inside as the old original machines weigh 4 times what the new ones do. They are fully repairable and the parts are still avail from Thom Dolder at PMG. Most common repair is the result of improper storage which damages the pads. New pads are under $20.00.

      With proper care / cleaning & storage the originals will last a lifetime plus. I got 2 from Ebay so each of my girls get one when the time comes.

      1. re: Tom34

        Got my two on eBay too! I use the chamber vacuum seal bags. Run me about 7 cents a bag for a 8x12 bag/4mil bags...
        The 'new' machines can't use these bags...

        1. re: whelmar

          Did you modify the machine or come up with some kind of trick? When I tried a chamber vac bag the bag instantly collapsed together just in front of the flat brown nozzle cutting off air flow from the rest of the bag.

          1. re: Tom34

            Never had that issue. I didn't do anything special. I did replace the gasket material with foam seal from Granger. Item #: 2RRF4
            It's $9 for 10 ft. The machines I have were made in 1989...

            1. re: whelmar

              I used a foam product from Grainger too on an old F/S machine I got & fixed for a friend. It was a more open cell foam and compressed with significantly less pressure than the original pads. I will have to check with him and see if his machine works with chamber vac bags. I posted about the Grainger product on the internet, possibly chow or a barbecue smoking forum. Is that where you got the idea or did you come up with it?

              Home depot also stocks the little "O" rings on the nozzle stem. Warm water & Armor All mixture in the jar port cleans and lubes the pump. Couple drops at a time.

              1. re: Tom34

                I had the stuff laying around in my garage...had enough to try it. Ended up buying more.

                1. re: whelmar

                  Can't beat that. Really great machines. Just can't say enough about them. $$$ went into whats on the inside, not pretty exterior & marketing. Kind of like the old Hobart Kitchen Aid Mixers vs today's kitchen aids.

                  1. re: Tom34

                    whelmar and Tom34,
                    Hello,
                    Would you be willing to share the specific details of your foodsaver? Or maybe a picture or two. I'd like to be sure I 'm bidding on the correct one. Thanks in advance.

                      1. re: whelmar

                        Ridiculous...I ordered from that site earlier this sunday and get no tracking number. I get nothing all week and email him on thursday. He got back to me tonight and says he will ship it out next tuesday because he is "out" all this week. Do not order from that site

                      2. re: SScoTT

                        (Ref Whel mar's link).........I have the one on the left and the one on the right. Both pretty much the same. The PMG site also has some old videos of these machines in operation and a page with replacement parts.

                        Most of the time if there is a problem its with the pads from improper storage. They run around $15.00 or you can use roll weather striping like Whel mar did.

          2. re: Tom34

            Try to search on amazon. You can compare prices and quality

          3. re: whelmar

            what are the model number of the Italian made foodsavers

            1. re: wjohnson4566

              They went by name, not number.

              1st: Foodsaver by Tila

              2nd: Vacufresh

              3rd: Vacupack

              Above listed in the order of production. 1 & 2 were made in Italy. #3 was made in China. Pictures are avail, Google: PMG Vacuum sealers & click on nozzle style at the top.

              I have both #1 & #3. No apparent difference in quality or performance.

              Best way to find them is to search EBAY "Foodsaver" and click the used box. there are usually 1 or 2 on there in the $40.00 - $75.00 range.

              There were also 2 Italian made channel vac machine which they go over on the PMG site.

              1. re: Tom34

                Is the FOODSAVER COMPACT Food Saver BY TILIA a good one? The only older model without a number is one from 1988 with a current bid of $150.

                1. re: KFarmer

                  The original Italian made Foodsaver nozzle machine is the one listed on Ebay for $150. It was followed by an Italian made channel style where the open edge of the bag was placed in a channel making it easier to use. I believe it was called the Foodsaver 2. Thom Dolder has pictures of these machines on his website under parts.

                  I am pretty sure the company was sold after that and all the models that followed were mass produced inexpensive throw away machines.

                  That is an extremely high price $150 for the original. They come up frequently between $50 - $100. Usually the only thing that goes wrong is the black pad dries out or get crushed from improper storage. They can be had from Thom for about $20.

                2. re: Tom34

                  Tom34 On ebay I see an instruction booklet for the 1200; two units w/o model numbers, and a 500 model. By the looks of it, I gather the 500 is compact. So, what I'm looking for is a 1200?

                  1. re: DonnaMarieNJ

                    To the best of my knowledge, the original nozzle machines did not have a model number on them but they all looked identical except for the writing on the front. The 1st one said Foodsaver by Tilla, the 2nd one said Vacufresh & the 3rd one said VacUack.

                    The first 2 were made in Italy & the 3rd one was made in China. Even though the 3rd one was made in China, it was spec'd out the same as the Italian made ones and apparently just as good (parts are interchangeable)

                    If you click on the blue link at the end of Whelmar's 10/28/13 post (above) it will have the last version of the machine "VacUpack".

                    The original nozzle machine requires the lip of the bag to slide over a nozzle which can be a bit tedious but with a little practice its not hard. Once the nozzle is sticking inside the front of the bag, YOU press about 3/4 of the way down on the handle and a mechanical switch activates the pump. When YOU determine enough air has been drawn out, YOU press all the way down on the handle. This causes the bag to be squeezed down against the heat sealing bar and a mechanical switch turns on the heat sealer. When YOU are sure the bag is sealed YOU let up and its done.

                    Very straight forward simple machine with heavy duty components & mechanical switches. A nice tribute to a machine that came on the market in the 1980's is that parts are still available.

                    After the Tila company was sold they switched to a Channel style machine which I believe was called Foodsaver II. The originals were also made in Italy and were also very good machines and easier to use than the nozzle style.

                    With the exception of the later VacUpack nozzle machines, the original nozzle machines will be stamped "FLAEM" nuova Made in Italy. I believe the original channel machines that followed will have something similar. Most of the time the seller will mention the "Made in Italy" stamp if its there. For every used Italian made Channel machine for sale, there are a 100 later model look a likes with significantly cheapened up components.

                    FLAEMNUOVA is a company. If you google it the companies site will come up and you will see a picture of the machine Dolder (PMG) is selling.

                    1. re: Tom34

                      DONNA,

                      While dated, this is a pretty good article on the history of Foodsaver and the original Nozzle machine. I believe the Foodsaver II is the 1st channel style that came out in 1990 that is also discussed in the article below. I deleted the authors name and any advertising references to keep within Chow's policy.

                      TOM

                      This guide was written to give you the consumer some background on the Home Style Vacuum Packers. Where they originated and some vital information you should take into consideration before buying a home style Vacuum Packer. It will break down into categories, so you can read what interests you and what your focus on a particular area of question might be.

                      Home Style Vacuum Packers:

                      How and when they began:

                      In 1984 a gentleman named Hans Christian developed the first home-style vacuum packer. He called it the Foodsaver. The corporation was the Tilia Corporation.

                      Within a few short years of selling at Fairs and Expos's the product was a huge success. It was then picked up by retail outlets such as Costco and spread to retail connection world wide. The original machine was a nozzle style. New comers to the industry have adapted the name "snorkel" to this type of vacuum packer. The nozzle style machine was bullet proof. It was literally designed to compete with the commercial chamber style machines that had been out since the 1940's but for a home user. Hans and his engineers put extensive thought into the development of this vacuum packer. Still today 22 years later this machine can be found in excellent working condition in many homes. This same nozzle style machine is still sold today and has proven the engineering is still superior to any of the new models produced and sold. The drawbacks for store shelf retail with this machine is people do not clean their machines. They leave food and debris in the pump and nozzle. This is a simple problem to fix but surprisingly difficult to get people to do?

                      The Second Generation of Home Style Vacuum Packers:

                      In 1990 the original Tilia Corporation had a "designer" developed a new machine. This machine was not developed by the original "engineers". This new stylish machine was called a channel style machine. This channel style machine was quickly put into retail locations. The machine was easier to clean, and simpler to lay the bag into the channel. This style of machine is still today the most popular style of machine, on the retail market. Manufactured in many versions under different names. But they are all still the same "style" with the same inherit problems. This style requires very little explanation to operate, easy to see food and debris, thus lending it's self visually in need of cleaning. The draw back of this style of machine is it over heats very fast. As a result of the over heating it is not as consistent with the amount of air drawn from the bag. This problem still exists in all manufactures of this style of machine. To put it simply this design style of machine is not a high production machine able to rival, the smaller chamber style machines as the original nozzle style machine did and still does. What followed was a mass production and sales. With the simplicity problem solved the Tilia Corporation was able to secure a wide range of retail outlets. This was also very easy as there was absolutely no competition at that time.

                      The Corporation's First Sell Out:

                      In 1993 the Tilia Foodsaver Corporation original founders sold. The Tilia Corporation has been sold multiple times since then. The original machines both nozzle and channels were built in Italy. These machines in good working order still have a decent resale value. They are quite highly sot after and are a gem to find. There is an independent web site not run by Tilia to repair these old machines & supply parts. The new owners of Tilia quit supplying parts for them in 1993 when they moved all production of machines from Italy to the Orient.

                      Manufacturing and Repair Parts:

                      In today's market there are many players manufacturing and marketing vacuum packing machines. Most home style machines now a day are produced in the Orient. Production in the Orient offers less expensive labor but also for reasons of less costly regulations in productions. Be this good or bad this is a huge controversy that I care not to get into with this information page. Nonetheless there are differences in current quality. A product can be made anywhere in the world with quality parts or cheap disposable parts. It is not the origin of the product but the intent of the manufacturing company the quality they order to be manufactured. I have products from the Orient that are superb high quality items that last years. I have also purchased products from the same region that break and are in the garbage in just a few uses. This same goes for USA, Italian, German, and all other countries that manufacture products.

                      So the question comes how do I know if a product is top quality or not? Ask yourself, are you purchasing a product and you can return it for a new one, or a full refund after a year of use? This is a great clue: You are buying a lot of hype and very little quality! Remember it is not the store that gives you a refund or exchange it is ultimately the manufacture that stands behind their products. In order to offer you this type of supposed value the cost of that exchange is factored into the manufacturing of your product. A company that can offer this has very low cost of goods. There is a thought in manufacturing to put a lot of cheap product on the market and hope a percentage will stick. Lots of time and energy goes into color, advertising, presentation of the product but very little into the actual product it's self. All in hopes you will not use it much and it will last just long enough to pass their exchange refund warranty. With most people that is just what happens, or with our busy lives it is to much hassle to get a return authorization number & send it back. So you are now prime to buy their new version, as they do not fix your old machine of just last year, past it's warranty.

                      The Core Issues You Really Need To Know:

                      Vacuum packers unlike other small kitchen appliances are simple in nature. Vacuum Packers or as the new comers say Vacuum Sealers have a pump that pulls or moves air, a transformer that runs a heat-sealing bar and the heat-sealing bar itself. This varies widely with each machine. A large pump and transformer to run a heavy-duty heat bar is the expensive part of the machine. But you don't see that! What you see is pretty packaging. That is what mass production is hoping for. They hope you are swoon by their wonderful advertising and don't look at their actual products abilities or durability. Since the original two versions came onto the market in the 80's and early 90's there have been no other improvements on performance. Remember the "design" has not changed only the cosmetic appearances, and extra bells and whistles and automation. Hans Christian started out with a very heavy-duty pump, transformer and steel heat bar. In the move for mass production and cheaper prices these features were removed. They do however come out every year or so with "New Styles" "New Looks" New Packaging" but same old light weight operating parts.

                      As Americans insist on cheaper prices the quality is becoming cheaper also. Telling you that paying more is going to get you a better machine would not be accurate. Instead be armed with the information of mass marketing, and the three quality parts of a home-style vacuum packer that you must have. 1) A large pump that pulls at least 23 hg prefer 26 hg 2) Large transformers to allow enough electrical current to operate the heat bar to seal a wet bag each and every bag. 3) A solid heat bar of steel or aluminum for wet sealing. If a machine you are thinking of buying does not seal a bag when it is wet and all kinds of excuses are made as to why but "buy it anyway". Run the other way! Do not buy a machine that cannot seal a wet bag at least 30 to 60 times in a row. It takes a bigger pump, heat bar and transformer to seal wet items. This gives you better sealing and much better vacuuming with the large pump. The cheapened models no matter the manufacture have taken this feature out of the machines. They are thus disposable machines not worth your money, and remember the design issues. Channel-style vacuum packers are slow production machines, they require cooling off periods, however easy to clean and load the bag. This style of machine is found in most retail outlets, by several manufactures.

                      Quality nozzle-style machines require someone to clean them! The benefits are nozzle-style vacuum packers run three to five times longer before over heating, pull 26 hg vacuum consistently and will seal a wet bag each and every time. Nozzle-style vacuum packers are still the most durable home-style vacuum packer built. Nozzle-style machine are usually found in commercial outlets, Internet or at some Expo shows. These machines are harder to find but worth the effort.

                      Our society has the ever-growing disposable generation of instant gratification. They want things cheap and for the product to work like the expensive items. I hear all the time at shows "there's no difference" This type person is not in touch with the true cost of manufacturing products. The fact is there are extreme differences.

              2. re: whelmar

                Yes, Foodsaver is great if you don't have high expectancy about a vacuum sealer... What I mean is it isn't capable of sealing lot of products in short time. What I'm using is Vacupack Elite and it's wonderful in its role. You can read about it here: http://www.vacuumsealerpicker.com/

                1. re: meakes

                  That machine is made with high quality components just like the original Italian made Tila Foodsavers only its much more modern with many new features. Not cheap but it will out perform just about all other suction machines, last a lifetime and parts will be avail 25 years from now just like parts are still avail for the orig Foodsavers.

              3. I have had the FoodSaver V3880 for about two years, mostly for sous vide. I don't use it much (probably about 500 seals since I've bought it) but I have never had a problem with it once. I've done maybe 20 seals at once and haven't had any issues. It works really well for me.

                I think problems could come if you're doing a lot of seals (40+) in one sitting, or if you're adding a lot of liquid in your seals. Sometimes I'll seal something with 1-2 Tbsp of olive oil -- after a dozen seals or so the light will come on saying there's too much moisture. There are a couple tricks you can do to minimize the liquid seepage into the system. Overall, though, if you're sealing with liquid you either have to freeze the liquid first or move to a more expensive chamber sealer.

                I haven't tried any of the original foodsavers, but have heard what whelmar suggests in that they are better than the ones out now.

                1. Don't know much about different brands. Have had Foodsaver for a while.... from a yard sale. Worked great until not too long ago... then became finnicky about vaccing & sealing. Was told probably needs a new gasket?? Then I find another one at a thrift shop for $5... less than cost and aggravation of getting new gasket.

                  The bags can be a little pricey. Actually bought a unit at a thrift store SOLELY cuz it had a full roll of bags inside!?! Have periodically found bags while yard saling. Have several of FS cannisters... hose goes in hole in top to vac seal... good for things like crackers. FS also makes a gizmo that will allow you to vac seal stuff in wide-mouth canning jars... DRY stuff only. I use that for stuff like rice & small pasta... stuff that never really goes bad, but could get a little stale tasting.

                  I'm cooking for one most days & hated finding mystery items in the recesses of freezer all freezer burned and dried up. When something like boneless/skinless chicken breasts are on sale, always a BIG package of 4... WAY more than I would cook/eat by myself. I repackage into individual servings and vac seal. A rock hard hunk chicken it defrosted and ready to cook in maybe 20-25 minutes in room temp water.

                  1. I have a FoodSaver. I use it ALL the time. In fact, when I bought it I had no idea how useful it would turn out to be.

                    They're very available. They're inexpensive enough. I use the simple low-profile one. I had the more expensive upright model but I found the cheaper one was much more versatile in terms of sealing unconventional things that aren't in FoodSaver bags.

                    You know, when you talk about concern for the integrity of expensive meat, you are probably asking more about the reliability of the BAGS than the sealer.

                    I am also happy with the quality of FoodSaver bags and they are also widely available from Costco to Target to Bed Bath & Beyond.

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                    1. re: rainey

                      Hey Rainey,

                      I used to use the foodSaver bags but switched to the Vaccustrip bags several years ago. Very tough material & 3.5 mils thick. Very consistent seal and very resistant to puncture.

                      Cheapest I have seen them is at "webrestaurantstore". With shipping (pints 12 - 14 cents), (quarts 15 - 17 cents), (Gallons 20 - 22 cents). These prices are about 50% less than the FoodSaver bags at the club stores.

                      1. re: Tom34

                        Thanks for that! I'll look into it.

                        While we discussing savings, I suppose you've experimented to see how many of the bags things come in can be resealed too. As can ordinary zip top freezer bags if you want to resize them or make the seal more permanent.

                        I make my own bread and a 2 gallon zip top bag can be sized down to conveniently hold a loaf once it's cut.

                        PS Do you think WebRestaurantStore could have discontinued them? I can't located them on the site with a search.

                        1. re: rainey

                          No they still have them. Go to the search box in the upper right on their home page and type in "vacuum sealer bags". Several small pictures will come up. Click on the one that has a couple bags in the picture with "vacuum packaging machine bags / accessories" written under it. This will take you to the right spot.

                          The vacstrip bags are the ones I buy and they seem to be higher quality than the ones called full mesh bags which are a little cheaper. I also buy in 300 count which saves a little more. You will see this when you click on a certain size bag.

                          I am lucky that I have family & friends who all vacuum seal and we pool our order which gets us into the 300 count for all three sizes (pt / qt / gal) & it also cuts down on the shipping. Shipping to a business is also a little cheaper.

                          Sealing other bags: I did that at first but most of the stuff we get in bags gets opened every day so its not really practical for us.

                          Zip Top freezer bags: We occasionally use these but its more for quick convenient storage but not long term freezer storage. The freezer rated zip tops are pretty pricey too. They can be held under water with just the very top above the water to remove the air too (old fishing guide trick)

                          One trick I did learn is that to keep bags from being punctured while the air is drawn out, things like sharp shell fish can be wrapped in cheap butcher paper or cut up brown grocery bags and then stuck in a vac seal bag.

                          If your really into Vac sealing, its worth looking into (ebay) the "original" Foodsaver models made in Italy. They had 2 models, the original nozzle and the 2nd generation channel style. Both are EXTREMELY powerful units both in terms of suction & most importantly sealing wet / slimy bags. They are also fully repairable and the parts are avail.

                          1. re: Tom34

                            Thanks. I was doing my search on "vaccustrip" and nothing came up but when I used "vacstrip" I got it.

                            I've put the address to the bag order page away for future reference. I still think I'll need the rolls that I can make really long tho. I do some large things.

                            1. re: rainey

                              Glad you found it.......Vacstrip also comes in rolls. I don't know the cost factor but it may be worth an internet search to see how the $$ compare to Foodsaver rolls.

                        2. re: Tom34

                          What's the difference between vacstrip bags and chamber vac bags, performance and usage wise?

                          1. re: takadi

                            CHAMBER VAC MACHINES: (big, heavy & expensive) have a chamber that the bag is placed into and then the chamber is depressurized.

                            HOMESTYLE EXTERNAL VACUUM SEALERS:(small, light & cheaper) the bag is placed outside the machine and air is drawn out from the front open edge of the bag. As this happens the smooth surfaces of the bag collapse and air can't be drawn from below the collapse.

                            The inside of the original Foodsaver bags had a raised textured surface (much like textured paint on a wall) which allowed air to continue to be drawn after the bag collapsed. They were extremely expensive which rendered the machines unpractical for many applications.

                            To combat the high cost of the original F/S bags, a very clever and now very wealthy person came up with the idea of attaching a strip of mesh inside a cheap smooth bag that runs from the top to the bottom of the bag. This mesh provides a passage for air to continue to flow (be drawn) beyond the collapse. Ala the Vacustrip bag was born.

                            They are much cheaper than the original F/S bags, seem to work well in most machines and many claim they hold a seal better that the original F/S bags.

                            There is also a "full" mesh bag which is cheaper but is said to be thinner and not as good at preventing long term freezer burn

                            1. re: Tom34

                              Thanks so much for the very informative reply! I recently invested in a Waring Pro vacuum pistol that uses zip style vacuum bags and they have proven to be very under par. Many bags lose vacuum within less than a month and they are extremely prone to being punctured or torn.

                              I just bought a original foodsaver based on your recommendations from ebay. It ran a little expensive (about 75). But they said that the "seals" needed to be replaced due to age and should be replaced every so often...I'm assuming they are talking about the pads?

                              1. re: takadi

                                The pads are normally the problem.....happens from improperly storing the machine with the top half in the run position leaving the weight of the top half pushing down on the pads. When not in use, the top 1/2 should be supported by the plastic extensions on each side.

                                PMG sells a new pad kit for about $20.00. Some dense weather stripping will also work but the kit is the best. If properly stored when not in use it will last practically for ever.

                                There is little round "O" ring (#7...... 1/2" outside diameter x 3/8 inside diameter x 1/16" thickness) on the stem of the nozzle. Sometimes they dry rot. A small pack of them is avail at Home Depot / Lowes in the plumbing dept for a few dollars. There should also be a little piece of foam inside the nozzle. This acts like a filter to keep solids from being sucked into the pump. Any foam will work if its missing.

                                On the bottom side of the machine there is a plastic plug with a seal. This can be cleaned and lubed with a little Armour All.

                                There is a jar port with a round switch that activates it. With the jar port activated, a "couple" drops at a time in the port of (warm water and Armour All silicone) will clean and lubricate the pump.

                                1. re: Tom34

                                  Takadi,

                                  I just thought of something. If they are a regular seller on E-Bay and you used PayPal, you may be able to get a $25.00 credit for a new pad set. Most regular sellers will give credit and E-Bay / Paypal can put pressure on them.

                                  1. re: Tom34

                                    How would I be able to do that? Don't I already implicitly accept the agreement that I would be receiving everything as is including worn out pads by paying for it?

                                    Also it looks like he only has a feedback score of 246 (albeit 100 percent) so I don't think he counts as a "regular seller"?

                                    1. re: takadi

                                      My mistake, I missed the part about being informed about the worn pads prior to the sale.

                                      1. re: takadi

                                        Let us know how it works after you get the new pads.

                                        1. re: Tom34

                                          Will do. I'm excited to try it out with the vacstrip bags. I'm crossing my fingers that there are no more punctures

                                          1. re: Tom34

                                            I got a new bottom plug plus nozzle gasket and pads. The vacuum sealer itself works decently but is a little fickle. Sometimes I will be vacuuming forever and it won't seal. I think it mostly has to do with the way I orient the bag on the nozzle and pads...if the opening of the bag is wrinkled or cut weird it wont' fully vacuum.

                                            The vacstrip bags though are a MIRACLE. At least compared to the waring pro bags. I was able to vacuum pack 3 lbs of beef bones with NO punctures. So far no vacuum loss either. I love it. Tough bags they are. My only problem is that they don't fit whole chickens because they are a little short, so I had to buy the bag rolls for that. Bag rolls work just as well btw, it's just a little more hassle cutting them.

                                            1. re: takadi

                                              Hey Takadi,

                                              Glad you got it working. There is a little line going across the flat part of the nozzle about 3/8 of an inch from the end of the nozzle where the hole is. Best if the end of the bag does not go past that line.

                                              WRINKLED BAG: If you sit the machine on the counter you will notice that the clamp & seal bar are raised about 2 1/2 inches above the counter level. I found that sitting something like an old phone book on the counter in front of the machine raises the bottom of the bag up to about the same level as the sealing bar. This helps keep the bag from wrinkling & also helps keep the front edge of the bag from pulling out from under the nozzle.

                                              I also noticed that the thick vacustrip bags work much better in the old original machine than some of the thinner textured bags. They are all I use now.

                                              Definitely takes a little getting used to. With practice and a few tricks you will get the hang of it.

                                              For extra wide bags, you can seal the outer 2 edges of the bag on an angle & trim off the excess triangle shaped pieces of bag on the outside of the seal. This will leave a smaller front section to seal after the air is drawn out.

                                              1. re: Tom34

                                                "For extra wide bags, you can seal the outer 2 edges of the bag on an angle & trim off the excess triangle shaped pieces of bag on the outside of the seal. This will leave a smaller front section to seal after the air is drawn out."

                                                I am so glad you told me about this. I was about to think that my order of 15x18 bags was going to go into the trash

                                                1. re: takadi

                                                  They work fine once you seal the corners and cut off the excess on the outside of the seal.

                                                  Do try elevating the bags to the same height as the sealing bar on the orig Foodsaver. Then run your finger across the bag on the sealing bar to smooth it out. You will get the hang of it.

                          2. I have a seal a meal my husband gave me 7 years ago for christmas. (last Christmas he gave me a Shun knife. . . he can learn) but It has been working well for me. I use the food saver bags I find at costco. I use it only once or twice a month, but when I do, I seal a bunch of stuff