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Aug 6, 2013 06:39 AM

Synthetic burger - Kosher? Parve?


Any thoughts on the new foods coming down the pike? They are talking about synthetic bacon.

  1. Are you referring to the current tofu fake meat post or the cloned meat in a vat post?

    1. I can see one group saying it's pareve because it's not from a real animal; and another group saying it's treif or fleishig because it can be confused for the real thing.

      Personally, I can't wait to try bacon.

      1. The news story I heard said that since this process is still in development, the cost of the burgers served to a handful of food writers in London was like a million dollars each. Which makes Prime Grill and Bevis Marks the Restaurant look cheap.

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          1. re: ferret

            Oh, affordable. We should have a meetup and order some.

            The halakhic question could actually be pretty interesting.

        1. Still sourced from animal stem cells so I would guess the verdict is "treif" unless it's from a properly kosher source. Although I don't believe there's a definitive opinion out there yet.

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          1. re: ferret

            I imagine the opinions will range from: live animal so treif, to beef is kosher meat while pork is treif, to beef is parve but pork is treif, to everything is parve(bacon cheeseburgers for all).

            Let's just hope the rabbis deciding this one understand the science first.

            1. re: avitrek

              I predict that for X number of rabbis weighing in on this, there will be X+1 opinions.

          2. that stuff looks vile, i would rather starve to death than put that in my body.

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            1. re: Moishefrompardes

              Given that the reviewers said the texture was close to beef I'm not sure what's "vile" about it.

              1. re: ferret

                the entire concept of it. there are plenty of existing natural healthy sustainable food resources to focus on, this seems like a massive waste of time & money too me, & ill bet almost any amount of money it winds up triggering some new as unheard of yet cancer. I file this in the GMO category, of stuff i wont eat.

                1. re: Moishefrompardes

                  As with any such technology it's years from being a viable solution to anything but that doesn't mean it's a waste of time or money. Raising beef is costly and requires a substantial amount of vegetable protein to create a lesser amount of animal protein. It also requires a large volume of water, creates environment-polluting methane and other wastes. We may be able to supply our current needs but call me in 25-30 years when the world population will be 30% higher than it is today. We do not have limitless land for raising beef or other animal proteins.

                  1. re: ferret

                    i agree 100 percent, i think humans should likely stop consuming meat in the next 100 years( or at the very least it should be wildly expensive, raised ethically and be a special occasion food as its been through out much of human history), that doesnt mean we should be eating stuff like this, my gut is that like all processed foods, its going to turnout to be worse for us & our enviroment what it replaces.

                    1. re: Moishefrompardes

                      You're painting very broadly as to "all processed foods." A cooked carrot is "processed" because you've introduced heat into the equation thereby creating physical and chemical changes. It's irrational to fear all things processed.

                      As for concern about technology entering into the equation, there's been technology in farming since the dawn of farming. "Nature" has been creating genetic modifications through cross-pollination. Doing it in a lab may tell your gut it's less natural, but one isn't necessarily better/worse than the other.

                      1. re: ferret

                        umm, im vaguely aware of what processing food involves. my gut tells me this is the kind of thing you eat at your own peril. i can guarantee a monsanto style no liability act will be put into law shortly before its release. i for one would rather eat a carrot stick.

                        1. re: Moishefrompardes

                          There is no such thing as "a monsanto style no liability act". It's a lie invented by the wicked anti-science people who are trying to destroy Monsanto and genetic modification generally, because they hate all human progress. The anti-GMO campaign is just as evil as the anti-vaccination campaign, and potentially even deadlier.

                          1. re: zsero

                            "because they hate all human progress"

                            What? The anti-GMO people may or may not be right (I'm not convinced either way) but attributing bizarre motives to those who disagree with you isn't really a way to facilitate rational discussion.

                            1. re: JonParker

                              The anti-GMO movement KILLS people. Just for one example, their opposition to golden rice is enough to brand them evil.