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POLL - Do you allow pets on your kitchen counters, are you male or female

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    1. Male. No. Although every once in a while I'll see some cat prints on the stove.

      1. Male, yes because we have one on a strict (no-iodine) prescription diet that's different than the others and he's too old to get up there and they don't want to eat his.

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        1. re: junescook

          noted...you gotta take good care of the old guys

        2. No-ish - Female.

          My dog couldn't get there if she tried.
          My cat very rarely tries to get up there - only if I have water running because she loves to play in the bathroom sinks. I don't freak out about it, just help her off. I've never seen her get on the counters (or found paw prints) when I'm not in there running a lot of water. She does get fed high up off the ground, but in another room, not the kitchen counter.

          Edited to add I just walked into the kitchen and the cat made a liar of me. Just standing there on the counter like "what?" It's a small kitchen and wiping down the counters before cooking is usually a given anyway, so not a big issue for me.

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          1. re: Firegoat

            Wow! A cat that likes water. My cat attempts to get in the shower nearly daily until he realizes what it is, which I thought was unusual enough. I love a water-loving kitty.

            1. re: fldhkybnva

              She is obsessed with water. I have to shut her out of the bathroom when I'm getting ready for work because it is almost impossible to do it while she's playing in the sink. If I turn off the water she tries to knock other things into the sink. She has no interest in "people food" and rarely is interested in the kitchen so I try to tolerate the water fun in the bathrooms. She's an indoor cat, she might as well have some fun.

              1. re: Firegoat

                We have a cat that likes to lick the water in the tub after I've taken a shower. If I take too long, she'll poke her head inside the curtain. I had a Jack Russell before that would do the same thing. Animals run my life.

                1. re: Firegoat

                  I have a cat like that as well. In the apartment I used to live in, she was able to turn on the tub faucet. She loved to play in the trickle of water.

                  1. re: BlueMagic

                    I used to have a Bengal that took showers with me. God forbid she figured out the faucet. She would have flooded my house.

                    1. re: BlueMagic

                      So do we. To the extent that she'll stand by the tub or the bathroom sink and cry until we run a little water for her.

                      1. re: jmckee

                        i am female.

                        had a male siamese and male doberman/mix. never fed either scraps while cooking or while dining at table.

                        cat was trained to not go on counters. never once saw him try, but more times than i could count i'd be just waking up and hear his paws go "thump" on the floor of the kitchen and find his prints on the stove. how he "knew" i was waking up was spooky --especially in a 2-story set-up.

                        said cat would sit on the edge of the tub while i took a bath and swish his tail in the water. after anybody showered he would sit in the wet tub and just chill.

                        dog was large but never counter- or table-surfed. however, he would steal stuff from my open pantry shelves and then just go lie down with it while i was at work. whatever he could jump up and reach. weird, random stuff, like bags of lentils. never ate any of it either.

                        did have a pit bull that ate an entire goose AND the disposable roasting pan that i had stashed on TOP of the fridge so i could shower. hoovered all of it in minutes. and yes, he was totally fine and wearing a "what?" face when i found him.

                  2. re: fldhkybnva

                    I thought all cats liked running water! Ours wake us up every morning to turn on the faucet for them.

                    1. re: Isolda

                      One of mine demands to drink out of the bathroom faucet every time I'm upstairs (but never the kitchen) and the other hates water.

                  1. No, but they're dogs, so...

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                      1. re: tcamp

                        Same. But even if I had cats, it would most definitely be a no.

                    1. I don't "allow" it, but it happens. If anyone would like to explain to my cat that he can't be up there while I'm at work, please feel free to call him. He has one small counter space designated for his food (so the dog doesn't eat it) that is away from the food prep area. We have a step stool to help him up (17 years old). I am female. The dog knows she's not supposed to jump up and put her paws up there, but that happens too, no matter how many times I clap my hands, yell "No!", shake a can of pennies, or shoot with a water gun. I just have to be extra diligent with cleaning before and after cooking anything.

                      1. Male. No to dogs. But if I had cats, it would just be a question of whether I'm looking or not. Not whether I would 'allow' it, not much you can do with cats.

                          1. No. Male.

                            Unless it's removing a tick or for a specific purpose, other than that no.

                            1. No. Male.

                              One dog, one cat. The cat doesn't go up on the counter, but will on the kitchen table. We don't allow it, and we shoosh her off if we see her up there. We have a new puppy, she'll be trained to not put her paws up on the counter or table. Our old dog was trained the same, though she'd get curious and stick her paws on the counter, especially if we were doing a lot of meat work.

                              (side note - the cat likes to lay in the bathroom sinks, and we're OK with that).

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                              1. re: foreverhungry

                                My cat woke me up one night with a swish..... swish.... swish.... woke up, she was in the bathroom off my bedroom washing her felt toy mouse in the toilet. Anything water related she's in it.

                              2. Sort of, but not really. (Dog is big enough to surf the counters with all four paws on the ground, so while we discourage it, we can't really stop her from sniffing around on the counters. She generally leaves things alone unless the temptation is too great ie. salmon, hard boiled eggs, or blueberries)


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                                1. re: chococat

                                  I'm kind of in the same boat. Tall dog, can reach the edge of the counter with his nose but often feels compelled to put his paws on the counter to investigate the contents of the sink or what is farther back on the counter (like the bowl of pesto last night). I had to do a lot of defensive cooking when we first got him so that we could keep dinner. Now he's pretty settled and usually isn't in the kitchen when I'm cooking. (The second we leave the kitchen is another matter.)

                                  Heaven forbid you leave any food on the dining room table and step away for a second.

                                2. Absolutely not, though it would crack me up to see our 60-lb hound mix try to get up on the countertop! I'm female.

                                  I had a roommate in grad school who adopted two kittens... they loved the kitchen countertops. I hated having to wipe down or wash everything that was sitting out before I could start cooking. However, she never did (and she was a medical student...). The cats walked around in the litterbox, for pete's sake!

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                                  1. re: truman

                                    Hehe, when I opened this thread I had a visual of my Dalmatian just sort of standing on the counter for no reason.

                                    1. re: alliegator

                                      I had a cat and Dalmatian that worked together as partners in crime for years and years. If I left food (even bread) out on the counter overnight the Paw would liberate it down to the waiting Dalmatian. Talk me to be very tidy.

                                      1. re: Firegoat

                                        This happens in my house as well. Usually it's something tasty, but last week the cat fed the dog a bottle of Centrum Men's One-A-Day vitamins, which completely ruined a whole evening for both myself and the dog.

                                      2. re: alliegator

                                        Growing up, we had a Doberman at my uncle's. She stood on the dining room table--the fancy one we only used for holidays--and ate a pan of date bars after one holiday. My cousins saw her through the window while playing basketball in the driveway. She wasn't allowed there, either. ;)

                                        1. re: alliegator

                                          It happens. I've seen a photo of a greyhound standing on a kitchen counter. I had a customer whose tiny Italian greyhound would use the trash can as a stepladder, then take the kitchen towel and make himself a cozy bed in the empty sink. In today's Galgo News is a photo of a greyhound who routinely jumps onto a red tile roof.

                                          Female (spayed). De jure, no. De facto, yes.

                                          1. re: greygarious

                                            Oh my...you reminded of our late greyhound, Rufus. Poor fellow got himself into a couple of jams on the dining room table. Meaning, he got up there, but was too frightened to get down. Frantic barking in the wee hours of the morning brings to mind all sorts of potential mishaps, but I was much happier lifting a 75 pound down off the table than I would have been dealing with a prowler! He was a retired racer from a rescue; nicest dog, but rather dumber than that oft-mentioned box-of-rocks. Thankfully, we only had a few table rescue missions. He was, however, an excellent kitchen dog: he was so afraid of the kitchen floor that he never got underfoot or counter-cruised - we had to have throw rugs as stepping stones to get him to travel through the kitchen to the back door.

                                            I smile every time I see your avatar, as our Rufus was a brindle. :-)

                                            1. re: cayjohan

                                              I love the "I can't get down" story. My smallish dogs are always underfoot in the kitchen but have never thought to use furniture to get up high. Lack of imagination, I suppose.

                                              1. re: tcamp

                                                Lack of imagination is good in this case! My grey had incredible aspirations as to "up," but could not seem to countenance "down." The ex-racers seem to have a lack of exposure to everyday family life and need some help. Ours loved climbing the staircase, but for some months needed a lot of help to go "down" (in case you wonder, it's like carrying a loose bag of heavy lumber with a raccoon inside to get a stair-frightened greyhound down a staircase).

                                                1. re: cayjohan

                                                  Love that description :D

                                                  Unsocialized dogs are a real challenge, but luckily my breed I can just pick up if necessary (my dogs and fosters have ranged from 14-30+ lbs).

                                                  1. re: cayjohan

                                                    I'm stealing that description. Only one of my greyhounds would even hop up onto the bed, which is just as well, since sleeping with one is like lying next to a pile of baseball bats.

                                                    1. re: greygarious

                                                      I am laughing at that "pile of baseball bats" description! Our grey was not the most graceful when lying down; he'd just collapse in a heap like those elastic-strung toys that, when the base is pushed, the strung figurine collapses. The racket of a bag of greyhound bones hitting the wood floor always prompted my all-things-baseball husband to exclaim "Somebody's dropped the bat bag!" I can't imagine how it didn't hurt; my joints wince just thinking about it. Ah, I miss that dog - for all his quirks and cluelessness, he was a peach of a pet and entertaining as they come.

                                                2. re: cayjohan

                                                  Our Bailey (my avatar) also was a brindle, retired, losing racer-rescue. She didn't climb up on the counters, island or table, BUT with her long body, she would stand on her hind legs and steal any packaged bread product that was not in the oven or refrigerator...and then go romping off to eat it while lying in the living room leather sofa. In the avatar photo, she is lying on that green leather sofa with her head down in shame after being caught having demolished a bag of hard rolls.

                                                  1. re: bagelman01

                                                    Aw, those bicycle-seat greyhound heads always tug at my heart strings. Our Rufus was a bread dog as well. I think the only words he ever really mastered were his name, "out" and the Best Word In The World: "sandwich." Since he was too terrified of the kitchen floor to pester a two-legged sandwich-maker up close, he'd just stand on a rug and make fake chewing motions while watching the sandwich construction. Yes, he regularly got a Rufus sandwich for his own fine self to enjoy; the cuteness was really irresistible.

                                                    One of my previous dogs, a boxer, was a bagel gal. If she heard the word "bagel," Sydney would fetch her leash, figuring it had to mean a walk to the neighborhood bagel shop, and she'd be pretty insistent. We started calling them "bread do-nuts" to avoid the frenzy if a walk just wasn't in the cards.

                                                    1. re: cayjohan

                                                      Bailey was a couch potato and a carb queen. She loved mashed potatoes on a Martin's potato roll. He hoarded milk bones and buried them between the back and seat of all the couches in the house. Unfortunately she was a victim of the tainted Chinese wheat gluten and died a long painful death of kidney failure.
                                                      Charley, our newest rescue is a boxer mix, and also steals bags of hot dog or hamburger rolls from the counter. He is tall enought to reach the cat food bowls on the counter as well and enjoys a cat snack.
                                                      All the dogs respond to 'supper'---we feed them at 4PM daily, and know cookie and bones. We have no rugs, just highly polished hardwood floors and Bailey would go sliding down the house as she attempted to stop a run.
                                                      When Diesel fetches his leash, it means time for a ride to McD's drive thru for a vanilla cone.

                                                      1. re: bagelman01

                                                        Aw, bagelman...I remember a thread where you mentioned Bailey's death. My belated condolences. That pet food issue was really tragic.

                                                        On milk bone hoarding: is this a greyhound "thing?" Our grey, despite his post-like intellect, would seem to *count* his evening milk bones. "Don't give me two. Or two and a half. Or two and a half and a half. Or one and four halves. It must be three. Whole. Milk bones." He'd touch nose to each, over and over, then when satisfied, would hie them off to his hidey-holes for leisurely consumption.

                                                        I take back what I said about the few words he knew; "boney-bones" was a well-loved phrase.

                                                        I like all you pet-oriented folks on CH. Sincerely. Off to cook supper...as I have three cats in a line, staring at me. Chicken livers will be my amuse, and their dinner.

                                                        1. re: cayjohan

                                                          I was wondering if you Greyhound rescuers had the same experience as our family with Bonnie and Clyde, a bonded pair. As soon as they finished eating dinner, they would go outside and immediately defecate, and then return inside to lay on the couch. No sniffing around or loitering for them.

                                                          1. re: GraydonCarter

                                                            Our grey was the opposite on point one. He was a very easily distracted pooch who would *forget* that he was out to do his business. Sniffing, loitering, sky-gazing, "oh look, a bug!" - you name it. When he'd finally remember the reason for his visit to his yard, it would be endless circling to find just the right place. It was mostly amusing, except for those frigid winter days when he'd seize up in the cold (I mean, really: is there a less insulated dog?) and abandon the whole mission. Mission would be reattempted every five minutes or so until successful.

                                                            On point two, the couch? That dog and his couch were Best Friends. (Yes, he had his own couch. I'm a softie.) When the old couch had to go due to a renovation project, the poor dog spent three nights whining before he acquiesced to sleep on his new custom dog bed. "His" couch was an old Victorian mohair, and he loved to lick the nap of the fabric to calm himself. Thank heavens I kept one of the couch pillows to put in the dog bed to ease the transition from the couch, or he would have spent the rest of his life standing up.

                                                            And boy, did we find a stash of milk bones when the couch went. Greys seem to be such hoarders.

                                          2. Allow? No.

                                            Tolerate? Not really.

                                            Nonetheless, occasionally find that it happens? Yeah, well, anyone who thinks they have complete control over their pets has never owned cats.


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                                            1. I'm a guy and no WAY are pets going on my kitchen counters!

                                              1. Yes, I am a male of a female. Isn't every one?

                                                Cats as well as dogs can be trained not to be in certain areas of the house. It just takes time and discipline. We had both cats and dogs.

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                                                  1. re: INDIANRIVERFL

                                                    Have you ever tried to train Siamese to not do something they wanted to do? :)

                                                    1. re: cleobeach

                                                      3 dsh - 2 are shelter cats, 1 neighborhood stray...in their eyes I am hell and Jesus...the all powerful, mighty and merciful BigCat

                                                      Don't know about Siamese

                                                      1. re: BiscuitBoy

                                                        Siamese probably believe they are hell and Jesus!

                                                        Even our "dog people" friends have been won over by our Siamese's delightful "a-holeness"

                                                        1. re: cleobeach

                                                          Yeah, our pro dog/anti cat friends like our siamese. Owning a siamese is like having a tiny dictator who plots new ways to torment and manipulate you.

                                                  2. I personally think my kitties are the smartest, cutest, most wonderful creatures on the planet. That said, I don't want their fluffy asses where my bf might be laying his sandwich while he makes it. Much to my good fortune, my cats don't care for the counters in my house. Cashmere got up on the kitchen counters once, and when I came around the corner I scared(just seeing me, I didn't yell) her so badly I have never seen her up there again. And that is okay by me

                                                    1. Have no pets, but would never due to dirty feet. Male.

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                                                      1. re: Joebob

                                                        It's OK. Pets don't care if your feet are dirty. ;)

                                                        Female. No counters now. She hasn't attempted it in YEARS, I don't encourage it, but during quieter moments when I'm not here? She's a cat--there are many places she ventures, I am sure.

                                                      2. FEMALE

                                                        Has dog; not even allowed on my bed!

                                                        Cat? Hmh, how do you say no to a cat? I would NOT allow animal on the counter in my presence, but the cat will play while you are away !

                                                        1. Female with one male Siamese

                                                          In my apartment he doesn't get on counters but will jump on table or back of chair during dinner to see what we are eating or during the day chasing the sun.

                                                          At my parents house he gets fed on the kitchen counter. Started feeding him up there years ago to keep elderly diabetic cat from stealing his food and as safe place to eat away from my mom's feet. Now that the other cat is dead and my mom hasn't stepped on him in years, he still refuses to eat anywhere else.

                                                          BF's parents have a bichon. When he was younger he was known to push their wheeled kitchen chairs around to access the counters. He also managed to open a cabinet to get to a coffee can of duck fat out of the trash, to get on a dining room server to get a dish of Hershey kisses, and on to the dining room table to get a dish of mms.

                                                            1. NO!!!! (Accompany with hand clap.) I am a female with two cats who know full well they're not allowed on kitchen counters or any tables. I can't remember them trying to get on the kitchen counter, after early training, but if they ever try to get up on a table, which very rarely happens (like once a year), they get a sharp and immediate scold and loud noise and they look guilty.

                                                              1. I'm female, and no pets allowed on the counter. I'm fortunate that my cat does not realize she can jump onto the counter or table. I sometimes have to remind her that she can jump on the sofa...

                                                                My parents' dog (also known as my sister) can just reach her snout to the edge of the counter, and shamelessly cruises for food in the kitchen. Fortunately, it's easy enough to keep things a few inches back from the edge. She also has not figured out how to get to the table by jumping on chairs.

                                                                1. Female. Currently have two cats.
                                                                  Cat and dog lover...but not on the counters.

                                                                  1. Early Results - Out of the 22 folks who provided hard data:

                                                                    -95% percent do NOT allow critters on the counter
                                                                    -Almost 60% were ladies...so that kills the whole crazy cat lady stereotype!

                                                                    I'll re-tab tomorrow to see how the evening Chowers respond


                                                                    1. Allow? Ha. I take it you don't own cats.

                                                                      We've chased the dude off the stove once when he tried to dig into some raw chicken breasts waiting to go into the oven.

                                                                      That said... if we're out of the house or asleep, only the dude knows where the dude goes.

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                                                                      1. re: linguafood

                                                                        I know where Freddy goes and has stopped going since ScatMat use due to his large, distinct (and often kitty litter enhanced) paw prints.

                                                                      2. Abstolutely not. Growing up there was always a cat roaming around the house and they were never allowed on the kitchen counter. I have a 2 month old kitten and while he never jumped on the counter, he was quite fond of finding any and all plates with food and trying to explore and did venture onto the kitchen table, once and only once, as we made it a high priority to train him very early where he is definitively not allowed. He's allowed most places, but counter, kitchen table, plates humans are eating off of, and dishwasher are officially off limits. He learned quite quickly and hasn't even attempted to return to any of these places.


                                                                          1. No the cats aren't allowed on the counters or kitchen table. They don't seem much to care though.

                                                                            They stay off of the counters for the most part unless something particularly yummy is thawing on the counter or we are eating dinner in the other room and there is roasted chicken on the counter.

                                                                            The kitchen table is a whole other fight. They don't seem to care that they aren't allowed on it until the squirt bottle comes out. Then they jump down and run away.... until the next time they decide to go up there. Cats are cats. They also can be a-wholes.

                                                                            I'm female.

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                                                                            1. re: Njchicaa

                                                                              The squirt bottle has magical powers :)

                                                                              1. re: fldhkybnva

                                                                                That's what I thought until I came home one evening to find That Darned Cat lying ON the counter embracing the squirt bottle, rubbing his face all over it, seducing it away from his captors.

                                                                                The cat WILL win. So we wipe counters a lot.

                                                                                P.S. We thought he was "too old" at 18 to jump straight up onto the counters with no stepping stones - silly us. He just says 'beam me up.'

                                                                                1. re: elenacampana

                                                                                  Oh my, they are quite devious little ones! Our 20 year old could accomplish amazing feats as well, I sweat he was faster in his last decade than in his kitten years. :)

                                                                                  1. re: fldhkybnva

                                                                                    Yep, my male Siamese started opening his mouth when I would get the squirt bottle out.

                                                                                    1. re: cleobeach

                                                                                      Your lucky. Mine runs and hides as soon as he sees the bottle. It would be okay, except it either includes very loud consistent yowling (disturbing the neighbors) or peeing on my bed. Either of which is worse than the crime.

                                                                                      1. re: viperlush

                                                                                        the year i started my ira, i was working for tips and saving, saving, saving cash to get the minimum needed for the starting deposit. the day i was going to the bank, the money was counted and rubber-banded and i had laid it on the bed while i got ready, went out, did some errands and came back.

                                                                                        MONEY WAS GONE!!

                                                                                        utterly freaked that i had been robbed, tearing the place up...

                                                                                        siamese loved rubber bands and had simply moved all the money to a closet in another room and was pinging the bands with his claws for fun. GAAAAH!

                                                                                        1. re: hotoynoodle

                                                                                          My cats also love, love, love rubber bands. I could leave a plate of (name the most delectable cat luring dish of choice) on the table and they'd ignore it, but if there's a big fat rubber band from the Sunday NYT laying next to it, that rubber band is going to be targeted for eating. I soooo don't want a huge vet bill for some intestinal mishaps due to rubber bands, so I'm constantly scanning for a rogue strip of rubber.

                                                                                          My son and husband are both avid cyclists and often work on their bikes together. Not too long ago, one left a new bike tube laying around during a cycle-repair session and one of the cats decided it was a lovely new toy to gnaw on. If they made rubber-flavored cat food, my herd would be all over it.

                                                                            2. No. I've been lucky that my cat has never shown an interest in counters or even the coffee table. I had a couple of incidents with the dog (chocolate Lab) when I first got him. He ate a warm pumpkin cheesecake cooling on a rack, then a week later an entire loaf of whole wheat bread (with the wrapper and twist-tie.) That was five years ago when he was 2 and newly-adopted. He learned pretty quickly not to counter-surf.


                                                                              1. No, F.

                                                                                However, my 60lb dog has gotten up on the desk in my office (where he stays when we leave the house), walked across the keyboard in front of the monitor (about 8 inches wide), turn around, jump off and leave horrific scratch marks on the wood. But never broke anything. We moved the futon he was using as a launch pad to stop.

                                                                                1. It's not a question of allowing. How do you stop an oncoming freight train? I weigh 100 lbs more than he does but he's got 4 legs and I'm old and feeble.

                                                                                  1. Yes-Male
                                                                                    Our cats eat their wet food on our kitchen counters or island. This is above the dogs' reaching abilities. Our oldest cat likes to lie in the afternoon sun on the counter by the west window.

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                                                                                    1. re: bagelman01

                                                                                      Same with me. I have to feed the kitty on the island or he would never stand a chance with the dogs.

                                                                                      In an odd twist of fate, the kitty has developed a fondness for the wet food the dogs now get and tries to intimidate the dogs. He has more luck with the chihuaha than he does with the 100lb black lab.

                                                                                    2. Little veggo in Mexico is now too old and corpulent to make the leap. 3 decades ago in Boston, Ralph and Buffa were constantly on the counters. I never determined which of them knocked the half gallon of vodka onto the floor, they both had a good guiltless poker face.

                                                                                      1. No..it is strictly forbidden. Female

                                                                                        1. Nooo ... female.

                                                                                          My dogs don't attempt to counter surf, but I've had fosters before who did. I strongly discouraged it. If you're not expecting it, it's also dangerous as there might be knives and whatnot lying around.

                                                                                          I will never forget finding cat hair at the bottom of a pie crust at my grandmother's house. I could envision exactly how it happened ...

                                                                                          1. Absolutely not. No. Never. When the toy poodle and kitty arrived I sat them down and read them the house rules. No sitting on the counter. The first thing the poodle did was to find the master bedroom and mark it as His Own special loving place. Dammit.

                                                                                            1. Luckily, none of my cats have ever shown interest in the countertops. Mice, yes. Although they were not allowed either. Theoretically.


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                                                                                              1. re: mtlcowgirl

                                                                                                I guess we do "allow" mice on the counter but I don't consider those jerks pets :)

                                                                                                1. re: fldhkybnva

                                                                                                  Agreed. But the jerks were there before we were so I guess they owned the place.

                                                                                              2. Female, and no. I have a dog who can't reach up to the counter and cats on the counter freak me out. I worked with somebody years ago who had bunches of cats and would bring goodies (I use that term loosely) to work once-in-awhile. I can still remember the cat hairs sticking up out of those cookies like they had been rolled it.

                                                                                                1. No - female. Then again I have a basset hound so the likelihood of him getting on the counter is pretty low :)

                                                                                                  But, if I had a cat, I would train it not to go on the counters (although cats are assholes and would do it anyway when you aren't home)

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                                                                                                  1. re: juliejulez

                                                                                                    Assholedom is not the exclusive domain of any particular species. You must choose your companions wisely.

                                                                                                    1. re: flavrmeistr

                                                                                                      I used to have 2 sweet kitties, but they were still assholes sometimes :) Don't get me wrong, dogs can be assholes too... just they can't jump on the counters as easily :)

                                                                                                      1. re: juliejulez

                                                                                                        we have to make sure the stools are pushed all the way in at our kitchen island (and chairs at the table) or Charley our 8 month old boxer mix rescue will climb up and lie on the island or table. He finds the granite countertop and glass tabletop to be very cool places for a summer nap.

                                                                                                        1. re: bagelman01

                                                                                                          Does this make your boxer mix an asshole?

                                                                                                          Do not take offense. I think all of these posts referring to pets as assholes should be deleted.

                                                                                                        2. re: juliejulez

                                                                                                          I agree on this one. I've met very nice cats, I've met extremely mean cats. But the kitchen counter/dining table thing is what will probably always prevent me from owning one.

                                                                                                          1. re: juliejulez

                                                                                                            Bassets are notorious for being counter surfers One that lives around the corner from us jumps the fence, chases people walking by the house and then jumps back over the fence which is about counter height. My jaw dropped the first time I saw it.

                                                                                                            Google "basset counter surfing" or search it on YouTube, it's hilarious.

                                                                                                            1. re: weezieduzzit

                                                                                                              Whoa... ours can't even make it on the couch, let alone up on the counter! He also doesn't bark or howl, and I can leave a bowl of food on the floor all day and he'll just eat whenever he's hungry. The only time he has snagged food was when I had lamb kebabs sitting next to the BBQ, and he was standing on the steps next to the BBQ, so the lamb was right at eye level for him. I yelled at him and it scared him so bad he fell off the steps LOL!

                                                                                                              I should not have youtubed it.... now I'm sucked into watching videos of basset hound puppies.

                                                                                                          2. Absolutely not! My two cats are never allowed on the counters, so they rarely attempt it when we're home. The smaller one used to get all the way up on top of the tall cabinet above the fridge, but we'd shoo her down.
                                                                                                            I know that one or both of them lays on the dining table when we're gone..that's where the sun is, and the patio door with the great view of the ducks, geese and songbirds. I had to take my crocheted tablecloth off after just a few days- I found several cat scratch gouges in the mahogany tabletop, presumably because they hopped up and couldn't get a purchase on the loose fabric. It's safer for the table without the cloth!

                                                                                                            1. Yes. I let the cats hop up and give me a kiss/nudge from the counter, and sometimes give them some tasty human scraps haha. My reason why? Well, been doing it all my life and it hasn't killed me yet.

                                                                                                              I am female.

                                                                                                              **EDIT*** I do want to clarify that I don't put food directly on the counter when preparing meals, ever. I see folks take slices of bread out of the bag and lay it down on the counter then add their toppings. I do not. I usually grab a napkin or a plate and assemble my sandwich on that. Even if I have just cleaned the countertop, I would not set my food directly on it.

                                                                                                              1. Prefer not to (Not allowed)

                                                                                                                My reason is probably different than others. I rather not have the pets run around freely on the kitchen counters. It is dangerous for the pets and they can break stuffs. On the other hand, I don't mind washing a puppy in my kitchen sink.

                                                                                                                1. No,male. But it made me think about Libby our Labrador when I was growing up. She did have a seat at the table on special occasions and was very well mannered.

                                                                                                                  1. No way. Female.

                                                                                                                    We just have one little dog right now and she couldn't get up on a counter, however she does try and get into the dishwasher and she likes to jump from the floor to a chair to the kitchen table. The other cast of characters in this house finds it amusing. I do not and my word is law on this topic. I love the little stinker but people food is for people and it isn't good for dogs or their teeth.

                                                                                                                    No cats in the house as I am allergic. I would like to think I would be the one in charge of the rules if we had a cat but I've heard way too many stories to delude myself.

                                                                                                                    1. Female. And the cat is not allowed on the kitchen counter. We trained her when she was a kitten to keep off the counters and dining table. It seemed to work...we would only very occasionally find tongue prints on the butter or a nibbled cake. The important thing was not to tempt her by leaving food out.

                                                                                                                      The dining table training seems to have worn off now, but we haven't seen any signs of her being on the counters for ages; she might be getting too old to jump up there, anyway.

                                                                                                                      1. My cats are fed on the counter, because otherwise the dogs would eat their food.

                                                                                                                        Our German Shepherd is big enough for her nose to counter surf with all 4 paws on the ground. She will occasionally try and put her front laws on the counter but that isn't allowed, because she only does it to steal the cats food or anything else she thinks might be tasty.

                                                                                                                        female, but my husband also feeds them on the counter

                                                                                                                        1. For those who commented, I do have cats, very well trained:

                                                                                                                          1. My pet Iguana named Dex had run of the house.
                                                                                                                            Got stuck under the dishwasher once but never got up on the kitchen counters.
                                                                                                                            This was years ago.
                                                                                                                            Dex is long gone but was not eaten.


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                                                                                                                            1. re: Kholvaitar

                                                                                                                              Hopefully not a salmonella shedder.

                                                                                                                            2. Not permitted, but it does happen once in a while. But we keep a clean house, so cat paws on the smooth-top stove are cleaned off immediately.

                                                                                                                              The one exception is that when we eat at the work island, we do permit Simon, our "youngest", to sit on the high stool next to it and rest his front paws to be with us when he eats -- kind of like he's half standing half lying down.


                                                                                                                              1. The last time Serenity was on the kitchen counter, it was because she had a bath in the sink (deliberate on our part). She has avoided it ever since.

                                                                                                                                And she wouldn't be allowed anyway by me or Mr. S.

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                                                                                                                                1. re: Sooeygun

                                                                                                                                  Is Serenity a prayer, or is she Firefly class? Sorry, geek moment. My cat isn't 'allowed' on the counter, but she gets up there anyway. I hear the 'thump' as I walk toward the kitchen and I find cat hair on the stove. I do not care for cat hair on the stove. If she is caught in the act she is dumped unceremoniously on to the floor. A friend's dog (her short, fat, dog), once jumped on our counter and ate the bacon out of the pan while it was still frying. Hazel the WonderDog. She is a glorious mix of herding breeds that defies identification and I'm pretty sure that if the bomb drops all that will be left will be Hazel and the cockroaches, and she'd happily eat cockroaches. I'm female.

                                                                                                                                  1. re: tonifi

                                                                                                                                    Definitely Firefly class. Her cousins (my sister's cats) are named Kaylee and River.

                                                                                                                                    1. re: tonifi

                                                                                                                                      So I walk into the kitchen SECONDS after writing this post and what do I find? I get no respect around here. None. Damn cat must have been reading over my shoulder:

                                                                                                                                      1. re: tonifi

                                                                                                                                        LOL...So familiar! That's why our island gets the tablecloth treatment. But big points to your sneaky kitty for admiring the counters from a distance. It seems to be a case of "if you can't beat 'em, manage 'em," doesn't it?

                                                                                                                                        1. re: tonifi

                                                                                                                                          (S)he looks very comfy . . .Almost as if this isn't the first time ;)

                                                                                                                                    2. No.
                                                                                                                                      Two cats and they are killers! Death machines! We live on acrage with a barn and a few "critters" :)

                                                                                                                                      Mice, moles, rats, frogs, bunnies, birds, baby possums, baby racoons, and snakes.... All victims! They try to bring them in, half alive, and sometimes succeed. My daughter once woke up to a bunny head in her closet. It is like a cross between the first Godfather movie- and a CSI crime sceen around here, all summer!

                                                                                                                                      Their paws and fur, I am sure, are teeming with unfriendly bacteria. They don't even think about counters or table tops around here.

                                                                                                                                      1. No, never allowed where food might be. Though I suspect the cats (just one now) do get on the dining table when we're not around, because everyone so often he'll jump up, and get right off at our outraged response. Like "oops, didn't notice you watching." Has never done it when we're eating. I don't think it's hard to train cats to keep off something, if you are 100% consistent from the get-go. But maybe I've just been lucky. I notice that not everyone is providing gender... And seems like more responses from females...

                                                                                                                                        1. Female (although the male in my life would answer the same)

                                                                                                                                          Allow? No

                                                                                                                                          Tolerate? No

                                                                                                                                          Surrendered? Yes

                                                                                                                                          I think Siamese cats were put on this earth to humble me and teach me patience and acceptance.

                                                                                                                                          It was so bad when they were “kittens” (a period that lasted for 10+ years) that we had to put child locks on the UPPER and lower kitchen cabinets.

                                                                                                                                          The oldest is 20 yo and just yesterday decided to hop up on the kitchen table to investigate the basil I was about to wash.

                                                                                                                                          To any of my dinner guests that may read this, rest assured that germ-o-phobia Mr. CB has spent the last 20 years obsessively cleaning the counters and table and I never put food directly on either.

                                                                                                                                          1. has anybody eaten at a house where cats are wandering on the table during the meal?

                                                                                                                                            happened to me.


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                                                                                                                                            1. re: hotoynoodle

                                                                                                                                              Yes, mine. He was promptly dropped onto the floor with a firm "NO!" and a shake of foil. Gross! I wouldn't want to eat in a house where this behavior wasn't dealt with.

                                                                                                                                              1. re: Isolda

                                                                                                                                                In a much more relaxed situation, my geriatric cat decided he loves Arby's. My ex indulged him to the point of if you open an Arby's roast beef, plan to give this cat half. Since he is a much beloved and even tempered cat who loves all other cats and dogs and is getting up there.... yeah. He gets what he wants. Not on the table tho. Just the couch :D

                                                                                                                                              2. re: hotoynoodle

                                                                                                                                                My cat, who is NEVER on the table and shows no interest at all in us while we're eating, has chosen on two dinner party occasions to hop up and say hello to everyone. I think it's more of a social call for him, but embarrassing nonetheless. Suddenly I turn into Eleanor Abernathy and everyone looks grossed out, while I'm shouting "No! Down! Sorry, he NEVER does this."

                                                                                                                                                1. re: hotoynoodle

                                                                                                                                                  Since we rarely eat at the table our cat will ocassionally jump up on the table to see what we are doing on his sunbathing spot. But he isn't near the food and quickly gets down. Usually he is fine with just sitting on shoulders and watching.

                                                                                                                                                  1. re: viperlush

                                                                                                                                                    We never eat at the table unless we have guests... the rest of the time it's the cats' domain, so needless to say, when I DID gussy up the table for a dinner party, no sooner had the guests arrived and settled down for drinkies, than one of the cats decided to sprawl in the middle of the tablecloth and show us her tummy. What's more, that was when we had a cat-allergic guest (though his allergy seems to be mild and he seems to be okay coming to our apartment, cats and all) At least we hadn't put any food out yet...

                                                                                                                                                  2. re: hotoynoodle

                                                                                                                                                    No, but I have been a guest in a home where their golden retriever liked to walk under the table and steal napkins from laps.

                                                                                                                                                  3. Theoretically the answer is NO CATS IN THE KITCHEN but since it's open-plan that really only means 'no cats in the kitchen when I am standing right there and all bets are off as soon as my back is turned.' Our first two cats were well-trained to stay off the counter but our third is incorrigable and she taught the other two bad habits instead of catching their good ones... the main reason I don't want them in the kitchen is that it's too small and I don't want to trip over them while I'm cooking, and I DEFINITELY don't want them trying to walk on the glass-topped stove when it might be hot.

                                                                                                                                                    And I'm female and a soft-touch...

                                                                                                                                                    1. Two cats, and no, they're not allowed, but you must not have cats if you think rules stop them! They don't do it when we're looking, and we put out foil, vinegar, etc. to discourage them when we're not there, but I do see the occasional cat prints, especially if there is a vase of flowers or a new plant.

                                                                                                                                                      I'm female.

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                                                                                                                                                      1. re: Isolda

                                                                                                                                                        Laughing at the new plant reply. I received an Amaryllis bulb for xmas. Watered it. Put it on the dining room table. It grew, and grew.... just fine. Then it had a beautiful bulb! Yay! About to have a beautiful flower. I went to sleep full of happy dreams of the impending beauty I was about to absorb. I came upstairs that morning. The bulb had been neatly nipped off by cat teeth and left on the table. No one puts baby in a corner. Not even a plant.

                                                                                                                                                        1. re: Firegoat

                                                                                                                                                          OMG, this thread is totally cracking me up! Our cats waged war against all houseplants and cut flowers for years. Even worse than the beheadings is the victory puke they would deposit on the floor to be felt via bare feet before being seen.

                                                                                                                                                            1. re: cleobeach

                                                                                                                                                              #9 would have given me a heart attack. and then i would have barfed.

                                                                                                                                                              1. re: cleobeach

                                                                                                                                                                Baa haaa haaa! I *love* #12 ("Plus, I'm a dickhead")

                                                                                                                                                                And I agree - #9 would have me screaming and barfing at the same time.

                                                                                                                                                          1. I'm just wondering if there is a hypothesis behind our question related to the answer to this question and gender?

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                                                                                                                                                            1. re: fldhkybnva

                                                                                                                                                              -In the Cookware board, the notion that a pet (cat) may knock over knives in a rack. I was a bit surprised that some folk allowed pets on the counters.

                                                                                                                                                              -I get the impression this site is comprised of mostly ladies (so far this thread, this board, 70%), and most ladies like or have cats (myth busted sorta - there seems to lots of dog loving girls here)

                                                                                                                                                              -And just to have a little pleasant diversion and discussion

                                                                                                                                                              1. re: BiscuitBoy

                                                                                                                                                                more people own cats than own dogs.


                                                                                                                                                                "According to the 375 page survey that tracks hundreds of pet ownership trends, Americans own approximately 73 million dogs, 90 million cats, 139 million freshwater fish, 9 million saltwater fish, 16 million birds, 18 million small animals and 11 million reptiles. "

                                                                                                                                                                1. re: hotoynoodle

                                                                                                                                                                  Not sure if that is a valid conclusion? Households seem to own more cats than dogs. For example, I have a neighbor with 9 cats. Another with one dog and 3 cats. I assume the fact that cats are lower maintenance is a factor ... and then you have those who bring the average up--way up (e.g., 15 cats in one household). My city places the same limit on both, 3 cats, 3 dogs, but that doesn't stop people. I don't know anyone with 9 dogs who isn't fostering most of them.

                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: foiegras

                                                                                                                                                                    Cats are a lot smaller than most dogs, eat less so they're cheaper to feed, and you don't have to walk them three times a day. Plus they spend at least 10 hours a day lying in the sun sleeping someplace out of the way, so it's easy to have more of them.

                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: Kajikit

                                                                                                                                                                      True about size but I'll note that my pooches are no slouches in the sleep department.

                                                                                                                                                                  2. re: hotoynoodle

                                                                                                                                                                    Actually, more people own dogs than cats. But more cat owners own two or more. Just like you can't assume that 139 million people own one fish apiece.

                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: hotoynoodle

                                                                                                                                                                      No, there are more cats as pets than there are dogs. This doesn't mean that more people own them. In fact, more people own dogs. People who own cats (or in our case, are owned by them) tend to have multiples, so that's why there are more of them.

                                                                                                                                                                2. I share tableware with my two mastiffs. Male.

                                                                                                                                                                  1. Fortunately my cats show little interest in the counters. Even if I'm thawing chicken: one doesn't like people food and the other prefers her chicken seasoned and properly cooked ;)

                                                                                                                                                                    The exception is days like yesterday--a remarkably cool day in the Delaware Valley in August. I turned off the AC and opened all the windows. The cats have to check out the view from each and every window. The only way to reach the kitchen window is by way of the counters. The herb garden is right outside this window, so I wouldn't deprive them of the marvelous scents.

                                                                                                                                                                    They stay off the kitchen table, but the dining room table is right by the big bay window--full of sunshine and views of the birds in the trees. (And yes, my cats adore spray bottles . . .if you want to get their attention, stamp your foot or bang your hand on something.)

                                                                                                                                                                    Female, FWIW.

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                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: gaffk

                                                                                                                                                                      And after reading other replies, I'll add my own. My cats hate strangers, especially U18 or very loud. I have friends of 20+ years who have never seen a cat in my home . . . they slink under a bed or sofa and wait for the siege to end.

                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: gaffk

                                                                                                                                                                        Ours will tolerate drunken, boisterous adults and even older dogs, but they'll take no chances with children. They're gone.

                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: flavrmeistr

                                                                                                                                                                          Ours differ. Clementine loves everybody. Quincy the Crazy One-Eyed White Death Cat gets so scared when there are repairmen, etc., in the house that he runs upstairs and crawls under the bedspread in the master bedroom until they're gone. Simon will warm up to the eventually. And Bess hates everybody.

                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: jmckee

                                                                                                                                                                            I have had a cat that everyone swore I didn't have. He was the ghost cat. He would disappear and could not be found if someone else was in the house. I've also had cats that will plop on the first available lap, swipe the first available bite of sandwich from an unsuspecting person. Current cat isn't a hider, but she is a young player. She likes to stalk guests and "touch" them then run. Then return and touch them some more. Depending on their response she might let them actually worship her and pet her.
                                                                                                                                                                            The ghost cat would come out at night and get on overnight guest's beds and gently paw their faces. Creeped them out.

                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: Firegoat

                                                                                                                                                                              We had a ghost cat that actually was a ghost. She was run over in front of the house and I planted her with an avocado tree. For months afterward, I swear we could feel her walking on the bed at night.

                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: flavrmeistr

                                                                                                                                                                                Wow, we've had a ghost cat too. I would feel her moving around on the bed at night, and she had passed on months earlier. Just poking around the blankets like she used to, trying to find a spot to curl up. So weird, but comforting too.

                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: breadchick

                                                                                                                                                                                  My brother's family had a cat and my SIL decided he needed a companion. The new cat was a pretty little guy, almost navy blue/black. He was a ghost cat. My oldest nephew was the one who could coax him out occasionally. My nephew put a collar on the cat and then tied him up in the family room to attempt to habituate the cat to the family. It never worked. He spent the days inside the box spring in the master bedroom and came out at night to eat and do whatever it is cats do at night. The original cat did not appreciate the intrusion on his territory and started to urinate on the rugs by the front door. Apparently, the ghost cat then did the same. My brother was quite annoyed at the situation. Both of the cats went to a new home.

                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: John E.

                                                                                                                                                                                    Uh-oh, the peeing isn't good. Glad to hear they were able to move to a new home. My ghost cat story is about a ghost, as in spirit - an actual ghost. She eventually moved on, because I didn't feel her moving about on the bed after about a year. I still miss her, she was a great cat.

                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: breadchick

                                                                                                                                                                                      Yeah, the good ones hang around for a while after they're gone (wait...what?). The ones that pee in the house go straight to hell.

                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: breadchick

                                                                                                                                                                                        Years ago my parents moved and left me with the family cat. (Somewhere here I must have posted about him. He lived to be 20-1/2 years and putting him down was the hardest thing I ever had to do.) Anyway, in their new house, my mother was seeing this cat out of the corner of her eye for months. She said she even tripped over him. It's amazing what our brains can do. (I was 7 when we got the cat.)

                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: John E.

                                                                                                                                                                                          Maybe, maybe not. My wife and I would awaken simultaneously when the deceased cat visited us at night. She even visited me once in a Texas hotel room, although that may have been a different ghost cat.

                                                                                                                                                                                          I knew another family that was occasionally visited by a small black dog that would appear in their house for no apparent reason. They had never owned a little black dog. This went on for decades.

                                                                                                                                                                                2. re: Firegoat

                                                                                                                                                                                  We have one of those ghost cats, too, Firegoat! We refer to Richard as "our Snuffleupagus," since my husband and I are the only people who *can see* him. (With us, though, he's very sociable.) Harry came into our lives about a year ago; he's another big black Maine Coon, and we jokingly refer to Harry as Richard's stand-in body double for "company's coming." A few of my friends thought I was some sort of brilliant cat-whisperer for getting Richard to come around to embracing company.

                                                                                                                                                                                  Our third? At 17, he is closer to actual ghostdom than any of them, but Mosey sees his role as The Butler: he greets everyone at the door, sits at attention in the doorway to the dining room during dinner, and is always there for the farewells. If I could get him to serve cocktails and fetch coats...

                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: BiscuitBoy

                                                                                                                                                                                        And an absolute sweetheart. Personality plus -- and his two sibs at the shelter who had both eyes were dull as could be.

                                                                                                                                                                          2. No (female), but he (the hound) sleeps cuddled up against my calves every night.

                                                                                                                                                                            1. How else is she supposed to get up on the refrigerator? Geez.

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                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: GraydonCarter

                                                                                                                                                                                In his younger days, my geriatric cat liked to vault from floor, to counter, to refrigerator top, to the top of the upper cabinets. My kitchen ceiling is knotty pine tongue-and-groove, and there was a knothole *just* big enough to insert a cat's paw, but not *quite* big enough for said cat to remove the paw. I spent a few years rescuing a frantic mewling kitty from his embarrassment before he figured out the limits of his cat-ness.

                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: GraydonCarter

                                                                                                                                                                                  Saw this today . . . thought it was purrfect for this discussion.

                                                                                                                                                                                2. Female, three cats. Countertops are verboten, but I never really worry about it with the current herd, as they seem to have zero interest. One of my departed cat-herd members was incorrigible about counters; we had to resort to the empty soda can stacking along counters every once in awhile as a reeducation campaign. The counter-cruiser did occasionally earn her keep, in a way: a couple of mornings we awakened to the oven on the self-clean cycle due to kitty feet wandering across the controls.

                                                                                                                                                                                  My cats are allowed on the kitchen island, however. Our island is less of a food prep area (a few times a year for large baking projects) and more of a command center/office outpost/craft table/what-have-you, and as such, I'm less finicky about it. I have stacks of tablecloths, and some of them are designated for use for what we call "cat-sitting-places." Our Maine Coons are extremely sociable toward us, and when we're spending an evening in the kitchen, working on laptops and whatnot, they like to be around. We toss one of "their" tablecloths over their side of the island, and settle in. I'll confess that sometimes we eat our dinner that way, but the Maines are incredibly polite and never touch a people dish. Our 17 y.o. shorthair, however, is a pest of the first water, so he doesn't get that special dispensation if we're eating.

                                                                                                                                                                                  Likewise, our dining room table is open for cat usage by mutual (cats and humans) agreement: if a certain needlepoint pillow is placed on the (clothed) table, it's open for the cat-business of sun-basking and bird-watching. They just don't go on the table unless the pillow sign is there, so we never worry about guest situations. No pillow? No cats. Oh, and we do change tablecloths naturally!

                                                                                                                                                                                  I wish I could take credit for the Maines' politeness, but I think mine are just wired *that* way. In fact, they seem more dog-like in trainability than a couple of dogs I've had, even learning hand signals and word commands pretty easily.They seem to want to please, and honestly it's pretty fun to live with such accommodating and obedient cats - like the perfect synthesis between cat and dog.

                                                                                                                                                                                  Who knows? Maybe they're just softening me up? ;-)

                                                                                                                                                                                  1. I had a beautiful long-haired cat (the one who eats the Arby's) who really didn't care about counters. One day, while living in the country in the middle of nowhere, he gazed up at the corner of the kitchen ceiling. I ignored him. I came back later. He was on the counter of the kitchen in the corner, gazing up at the cabinets. I shooed him off. I came back in the room a bit later, cat had returned to cabinet, opened cabinet and had soon to be dead mouse in his mouth. Found the hole up through the attic. That cat may be on a counter whenever he wants.

                                                                                                                                                                                    1. Absolutely not, am a woman.

                                                                                                                                                                                      1. Male.

                                                                                                                                                                                        No, but then we have English Bulldogs, and they have never even come close to seeing the surface of a counter.


                                                                                                                                                                                        1. Yes, but our cats generally only jump up on the kitchen table (when they want fed, or want some petting). They stay off the counters by their own choice.

                                                                                                                                                                                          It's not much different than petting and playing with your pets, then making yourself something to eat. Just wipe the counter down just like you would wash your hands before preparing something.

                                                                                                                                                                                          Often times they are just trying to get up higher to get closer to you to get your attention, cats especially because they are so much shorter.

                                                                                                                                                                                          Male here.

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                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: Atomic76

                                                                                                                                                                                            >>Often times they are just trying to get up higher to get closer to you to get your attention, cats especially because they are so much shorter.<<

                                                                                                                                                                                            Yes, so true! Our cats love watching the cooking from their island perch. Honestly, I often let them see what I am doing, as they seem interested, but then leave when they've seen their share. They're just interested people, much like my little two-leggeds were a couple of decades ago. Now, if my four-leggeds could cook like my twenty-something two-leggeds could, I'd be onto something.

                                                                                                                                                                                          2. Female and no, although since I have a cat I know she has gotten up there a time or two. Oddly enough, I don't think she has ever wandered into my food prep area, though - we have a long galley kitchen and the only place I've ever seen her get up is right at the entrance, which isn't really used for food prep (it tends to be a spot to dump groceries or junk).

                                                                                                                                                                                            1. We do not allow the cat on the kitchen cupboards, the kitchen table, the dining room table, or the bathroom counters. The cat mostly complies, the bathroom counter being her only transgression. The bathroom cup on the edge of the sink seems to jump into the sink every once in a while, usually overnight sometime.

                                                                                                                                                                                              When I was a kid, we had a cat with similar rules. My mother would sometimes leave leftover pizza on the counter because she liked to eat it room temperature for breakfast. Sometimes the sausage was missing in the morning.

                                                                                                                                                                                              My mother would also not let the family cat onto her bed. The cat learned to stay off the bed (he had all kinds of others in the house that welcomed him). My parents' bedroom had corner windows that faced southwest. My mother would sometimes come home on sunny days and find an indentation on her pillow, it was still warm, and there was cat hair...but no cat.

                                                                                                                                                                                              1. Allow? We are owned by 2 Bengal cats, a very athletic and active breed, who use the counters to get to the top of the fridge and then the top of the cabinets and then cruise across the molding and door frames to get to the other side. They don't just hang out on the counters but it is part of the kitty super highway.

                                                                                                                                                                                                Being a water loving breed I occasionally find them in the kitchen sink and one drinks from the sink almost exclusively. We don't leave food on the counter and we clean the counter before and after every bit of food prep or cooking we do in there.

                                                                                                                                                                                                I'm female but he'd answer the same. The kitties are our "kids" and we aren't going to make them live in the Land of No when it's so freaking easy to just clean the counters often.

                                                                                                                                                                                                1. Pets-no
                                                                                                                                                                                                  My livestock- Yes, but only after they've been butchered

                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. NO
                                                                                                                                                                                                    Have you looked at the litter box lately??
                                                                                                                                                                                                    They who walk in litter don't walk on kitchen counters!!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: jmckee

                                                                                                                                                                                                          "They who walk in litter don't walk on kitchen counters!!"

                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: miriamjo

                                                                                                                                                                                                        I dont like to think about that. Those same paws walk all over everywhere else. Pillows, clean laundry, the carpet, etc. At least counters/ tables are easy to clean and sanitize. I' d rather eat out of a kitchen where owners recognize that their pets get on the counter so they consistently clean, than those where the owners swear their pets are trained and never get on so frequent cleaning isn't necessary. Obviously I'm not accusing you or anyone else on this thread of not cleaning your counters regularly.

                                                                                                                                                                                                        We do have a rug by the litter box to knock off the litter, but I do wish that there was a way to add a food bath.

                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: viperlush

                                                                                                                                                                                                          HEE HEE HEE, I'm picturing the foot bath right now, it's a little like the Hokey-Pokey: you put your left paw in, you take your left paw out, you put your left paw in and you shake it all about...just as any cat that steps in rain or snow (or puts a paw in your glass to play with the ice). SHAKE-A-SHAKE-A-SHAKE!

                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: kattyeyes

                                                                                                                                                                                                            Thank god I wasn't drinking. I would have sprayed my screen. All I can say is thank you. Toooooo funny

                                                                                                                                                                                                      2. No - Male.

                                                                                                                                                                                                        While I don't allow it, I haven't been too successful enforcing.

                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. Female.
                                                                                                                                                                                                          I haven't had a dog in years, but I never had a dog that went on the kitchen counters, or showed signs of wanting to.
                                                                                                                                                                                                          We have two cats and they don't show much interest in the kitchen counters either - not that it would matter to me anyway since I always clean the kitchen counter and any other surface before I prepare food on it. This is a habit I developed from childhood from growing up in a house where black ants were endemic. And later from living in NYC in the pre-Combat years, back when you got up at night, turned on the light, waited for all the cockroaches to scatter, and then continued with whatever you were going to do.
                                                                                                                                                                                                          I also have pet rats, but they don't run around in the kitchen without supervision :) In fact I've had many non dog or cat pets and my main reason for not wanting them to jump on counters and shelves would be to prevent them from breaking things, chewing electrical cords, or generally getting hurt.

                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. No - male.

                                                                                                                                                                                                            Nor would I willingly eat food prepared at a house where they permit it.

                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. Don't read this if you get grossed out by cats on counters..
                                                                                                                                                                                                                Our friends have 5 cats who are locked out of the kitchen/dining area during food prep and dinner when guests are over, but after the table is cleared and leftovers put away, the five are invited in to hop up on the countertops and nibble the leavings on the cooled pots and pans and stacks of dishes. They are totally omniverous, and leave the plates nice and clean.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: kitchengardengal

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I stayed a few nights with a couple who really weren't into housework and had a couple of spoiled rotten dogs - every dish that they used was put down on the kitchen floor for the dogs to lick after dinner. I thought it was pretty gross... but then I got cats. :P (our naughty counter-surfing cat will lick anything she gets her paws on...)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: Kajikit

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    It's nice you were able to observe this without making multiple unwarranted judgments.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: Kajikit

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      please tell me the owners then washed the dishes? this wasn't a chore left to the dogs and the plates were ready for the next meal?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      my mom's last dog was "allowed" to lick the dirty dishes in the dishwasher while we were cleaning up and i thought that was pretty gross.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: hotoynoodle

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Gross? Then you won't be coming to dinner at our house. All of our dogs have found their way to the d/w while it's being loaded. The dishes get cleaned and sanitized when the machine is run...no big deal.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: gourmanda

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          lol, i understand how a dishwasher works. :)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: gourmanda

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I do not allow my dogs to touch any dish while it's in the dishwasher as I'm not confident they know the difference between about to run and already run. But they certainly prepare most of my dishes, pots, and pans for the dishwasher, and I am very appreciative of their help. There's only so much you can can delegate to those with no opposable thumbs ...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    2. Speaking of cats in the kitchen...minus the costume, I'd love to have this! Bet mine couldn't stand the noise, tho'.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: kattyeyes

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        That's awesome enough without the sharksuit

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. Yes and no.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I don't allow it in the food prep area but they perch on the edge of the raised countertop area and watch me doing whatever it is I'm doing in the kitchen. They sneak up occasionally to sniff around but get yelled at and look guilty. I also don't put food directly on the counter and am not sure why anyone would. I have cheap counters though. Maybe that's a factor. I also clean them multiple times a day.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. BiscuitBoy... can we get a summary of the yes/no M/F?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: firecooked


                                                                                                                                                                                                                              -89% do NOT allow pets on counters
                                                                                                                                                                                                                              -67% of those who responded were ladies

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              -There was an equal number (male/female) of those who WERE okay with counter surfing, some because they cannot say no, some because their pets require special needs/avoidance of dogsnarfing

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              -Siamese and bengals are tough to train
                                                                                                                                                                                                                              -The roomba-riding cat is a cross dresser

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: BiscuitBoy

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                HA HA HA HA re your last two "data points!" :D

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: BiscuitBoy

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I have two silver Bengal/Siamese mix cats. If you think one or the other is tough to train, mix them. They are beautiful high strung kitties. But they have learned some tricks.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: suzigirl

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Now THOSE I would really love to see a pic of. Bet they're gorgeous! My girl in my avatar is a part-Siamese DSH--super smart and lots of fun!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: kattyeyes

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Lucky you . . . my avatar is super dumb. At least I thought so until it was pointed out how well she has me trained ;)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Maybe it's time I switch my avatar back to her sleeker sister.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: gaffk

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          She looks like a happy cat! >>^..^<<

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        2. re: kattyeyes

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          If you search chow for a thread called Our Cat Likes People Food they are the pics of the kitties there. I am asking my bf to try to post it here.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: suzigirl

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I found them! Aren't they beautiful?! I especially love this photo:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            What a beautiful, smiling creature!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: kattyeyes

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              They are a couple of sweet kitties. I am glad to be their pet parent. And look at how tiny the male was. 1.6 lbs when we got him. Man you found those pics fast.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: suzigirl

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Quickpaws! ;) And here is one of mine--next to "katty head" (cat head) biscuits from Cook's Country. She loves to be RIGHT where the action is!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: kattyeyes

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  What a sweet girl. Pretty little mascot.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: kattyeyes

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Yeah, I still don't want a cat on the kitchen counters. There's enough cat hair on the furniture and carpets.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: John E.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      That's NOT my kitchen counter--it's my sunroom table, which I clean frequently with "Windex Douche."

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: kattyeyes

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I fuess I was objecting to your cat's proximity to the food, but that's just me.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: John E.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Ah, not to worry. Lucky for you, you won't ever be eating here.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    2. I think I need to revise or add a * to my vote. I was just changing my betta fish's water and cleaning his "landscaping" and he waited patiently in a container on the counter.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I suppose this may not count ;)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. Male-Our two cats are only allowed on the counter long enough to transition to the breakfast bar between the kitchen and dinning room (which is used more for sorting mail than eating anyway). Hell, we only make a token effort in keeping them off of the dinning room table.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. No. I'm female. My dog is male. Actually, this is a funny thing--we just adopted a lab/PBGV mix about two weeks ago. He is crated when we go to work, but doesn't have the run of the house yet. His crate is in the kitchen and when I cook, I make sure he is in his crate because I don't want him getting underfoot. As much as I love my new companion..he's a pet and should not be on any counter.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: jarona

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I had to do an internet search to understand just what breeds your dog has. He sounds like an interesting dog. What kind of coat does he have?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: John E.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  He is extremely interesting. His coat looks very wirey but it is actually so soft...and he doesn't shed! ...and he is so great--great temperment--I can give him a bone and take it out of his mouth...and put my hand in his food, and he doesn't budge. When I do give him treats, his bite is extremely gentle. He did go nuts over some cheese though. Nuts, I tell you!
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I posted a pic of him so you could get a look at him.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: jarona

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Very cute dog! And congratulations on adopting!
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I admit I am jealous on the whole "not shedding" thing. I always seem to fall in love the breeds that shed the most. (and even the mutts that shed the most)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: Firegoat

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Thanks so much! LOL--I had a yellow lab (Ruby, RIP at 16 years) and a basset hound (rescue, Dorothy, RIP at 13 years) and those babies shed to the point I had to vacuum twice a day. Life is great with a non-shedder!! He's also very affectionate! And he loves to watch me cook and bake!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: jarona

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I had a basset while growing up. Big shedder. A dalmatian for 15+ years. (ultra shedder deluxed). And now a corgi hair machine.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: Firegoat

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          My Frenchman's Corgi passed away this spring (13 years old)....Another reason our new little addition is so precious to us. He's "our" baby:) But oh boy....his Corgi shed like nobody's business...I did a huge amount of vacuuming with him as well! But those corgis are cuties!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        2. re: jarona

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          We have a basset too and I can't get over how much he sheds for such a short haired dog. Thankfully SO bought a Dyson Animal vacuum before I showed up. I'm also glad that he cannot get on the furniture and we only have carpet upstairs.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: juliejulez

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I've read that pugs are the heaviest shedders, among dogs. Who knew? Thick undercoat, I guess.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: mcf

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              It varies by dog. The pugs we have had didn't have that problem. I've had friends with heavy shedding pugs though. Our German Shepherd on the other hand, sigh.....

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: rasputina

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                My boston terrier shed horribly. Not only did he shed bit if i stepped on the fur just right it would lodge in my foot like a splinter and itch like hell. I had to get the tweezers to get them out. It was the only dog that i ever had that this happened. His saliva also made me itch but that is true with all terriers. Even pit bulls. I get all red and itchy from their saliva but it never stopped me from having them.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: suzigirl

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Yes! I had that reaction to Mishka (pit bull) but didn't care. Ben the hound....no reaction to his Pepe Le Pew kisses at all. Funny, that.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: pinehurst

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Wow. Whenever I have shared that symptom with anyone else. People have said I was wrong. A dog is a dog. But for me I have owned many breeds from mutts to hounds to Sheppard etc. I have a cleaning business and encounter everything. Terriers bother me also.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      2. re: jarona

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Cute! He looks a lot like my parent's standard wirehaired dachshund.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: jarona

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I too like a dog who keeps his fur to him/herself. He sounds like a good dog to have around.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: John E.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Today is two weeks he has been with us and he really is a great addition! I've gotten him to follow many commands and I truly love the way he just marches into his crate as soon as I start cooking. I'm fascinated!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: jarona

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              How old is he? If he is a pound rescue, maybe he had some training in the past? He sounds like he really wants to please you. Congratulations on a great addition to your family.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: John E.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Hi John E. He is a year and a half. Thanks for the congrats! He certainly DOES aim to please. Tonight I actually got him to sit, stay and lay down with hand movements rather than my nasalish voice! He's great! Just great! But as great as he is, he will never, ever be allowed permission to get on any counters!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          2. re: jarona

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            He's adorable. And no shedding! Almost makes me want a dog. (Unfortunately, you can't leave a dog for a day or 2 and expect extra food and litter will suffice :(

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: jarona

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              OMG he's so friggen cute. I love scruffy dogs like that. He looks like a big version of my little terrier mix Jenny that now lives w/ my mom. She doesn't shed much either.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        2. No. We (M+F) pretend we believe the cats can levitate to the windows above the sink without touching the counter, and the felines kind of know they shouldn't be caught on the kitchen table or the other counter, but they do it when we're not looking.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. No, and female. Although I agree I can't comment on what my two kitties get up to while the humans are out and about.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. In spirit of this thread (ok, it's a stretch), here's a cat riding on a Zoomba in a shark outfit in honor of Shark Week:


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. NO!!!! F.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    (just used a ScatMat for this).

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: drongo

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        What handsome boys. I assume they are male because most ginger tabbies are. Excuse me if i assumed incorrectly

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: suzigirl

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Yes, you're right... two brothers.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. I don't even allow my pets into the kitchen! My pets are 2 cats, and they know NOT to go past the door thresholds at either end of the kitchen.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I conditioned them from day one I brought them home as kittens, so I would never have to worry about them getting on kitchen counters. Too gross; love me my kitteh's, but no cat hair in my food please, or stolen food of the counters!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Oh - Female.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          And Licorice does have an occasionaly thing where he goes through phases of sleeping on the dining room table.... then I have to change the tablecloth all the time. Sigh.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: gingershelley

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Wow, that's great, good for you. Funny how one will sleep on the table, lol! My cat will sit on e dining room table mainly to get a better look out the front yard windows....he knows he's not supposed to be up there, and a disapproving look will usually get him down.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: gingershelley

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Set up a cam in your kitchen. I'll bet you'll be surprised at what happens when you are not at home!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            2. Although I posted much earlier when this thread started about our cats who eat on the kitchen Island, and one sleeps in the afternoon sun on the counter; my wife reminded me that Charley, our newest rescue puppy (7 months old) can climb up on the island in the kids' wing kitchen by hopping up on the stools. Here he hopped up to sniff the bag of chicken that was marinating and awaiting the grill. BTW>>>it was waiting to be cooked for the dogs' supper, not the kids!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: bagelman01

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Uh-oh! And a kids' wing kitchen?! Would you like to adopt me? Maybe I can train Charley, too. ;P

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: kattyeyes

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Katty, I don't think my wife would appreciate my adopting a full grown human female..................although she would love help trainbing Charley. Charley was found by the side of the road in South Carolina starving to death in a box of 10 puppies. A rescue group stepped in. 7 survived. A friend of our 25 yo posted a picture of Charley and daughter showd it to my wife. Charley looks like the eldest dog and my wife wanted to meet him. Daughter contacted her friend and it turns out she was fostering Charley for the rescue society. So, on May 1 they drove to Meriden and brought hime home without telling me. This is rescue dog #4 with 2 rescue cats, etc.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  He was all skin and bones. With 3 months of Bagelman cooking on the grill, he is full size, and perfectly healthy and happy, but badly behaved. The food deprivation as a baby makes him want to eat from all the other pets' bowls as well as his own. He is partial to steak and chicken, not fond of veal or lamb and loves dark meat turkey.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  As for the kids' wing kitchen. The original part of our home was built in 1803. It has been added onto many times. Wife is a designer/builder. Last count was 19 rooms, plus a studio over the garage. Thus there are multiple kitchens. The kitchen shown is in the kids' wing, first floor of the oldest part of the house. We didn't pull it out, as with one kid left at home (and already a junior in high school) we hope that wing will soon become home for MIL including a kitchen. We have a full kitchen in the 'new' main wing and there is an upstairs kitchen, outdoor kitchen and a small kitchen in the studio over the garage. It's not overkill, as our home serves as my wife's portfolio/showroom. We often have foster children and visiting students so the house is never empty.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: bagelman01

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    What a nice story. He certainly looks healthy now.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: bagelman01

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Tell your wife not to worry, I was only interested in your kitchen. ;) Seriously, sounds like everyone's hearts are in the right place. Nice going!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    2. re: bagelman01

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Wait a minute, you marinate the chicken for the DOGS?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      How do you know they prefer it that way?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: John E.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        They gave him ALL FOUR PAWS up last time he made the chicken that way...WOOF!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: John E.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          our dogs are very picky and let us know what they prefer. Diesel, the eldest will not eat meat cooked on the stove top. He won't turn down roast chicken, turkey or beef, but a steak, chop or hamburger had better be off the grill. So in 99 degree heat or minus 5 and snow, I'm outside grilling.......

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I try to cook 2 days worth of meat for the dogs at once, but the wife and kids often raid the cooked results and I end up having to cook at least 5 days out of 7.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: Dirtywextraolives

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              just doggone crazy..................

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              but it's a guy thing....
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              for years it was me , wife daughters, female cat and female dogs.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              When Diesel was rescued he became #1 son, a soulmate and fellow carnivore.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Diesel loves human food and has a discerning palate. No unseasoned meat, no fish, no white cheeses/yogurt.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              He loves to go for a ride for a late night snack. He has them trained at the McD driveThru. They hand his burger or ice cream cone directly to him thru the open rear window.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Over the years, the makeup of the animal mix has changed. Two cats, both female. 4 dogs, 3 male, 1 female. a Newt--who knows and a male and female frog, with the wife and kids a balance family Good thing I love to cook.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: bagelman01

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                You remind me of my Dad, who grew up with no pets except the lamb he *thought* was his pet until it turned up on the dinner table...... He used to stand at the kitchen counter for awhile, taking the meat off by hand of whatever turkey or chicken carcass from that nights dinner, then microwave some for our cat. Talk about crazy..... We still tease him to this day about it. He worked most evenings during the week, so this was usually on a weekend or holiday, but still. Spoiled rotten cat.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: Dirtywextraolives

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  actually, growing up I always had a dog. He was given scraps from the table to mix with his dog food. BUT mom always let him lick the cutting board after carving steak. Claimed it was like a blood infusion...he lived 17 years. I suffered a first marriage of 17 years to an animal hater who would not let me have a dog, so am thrilled to have a houseful in a second marriage.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  When we got the first dog as a child, dad pronounced that he would never be allowed in the kitchen or dining room, and of course it was dad who called him in for his first bite of people food.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: bagelman01

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    That's funny about the carving board! My cat lived to 17+ also, as did our dog.....wonder if it was all that people food, LOL! My current cat, pictured above drinking his "fish tea", does not get much people food at all. Maybe some fish scraps, when we have it, but he has actually turned his nose up a couple of times on our fish or seafood, so I don't bother much. He seems to enjoy his pricey cat food, which looks as good as what we eat sometimes, if you like tuna.....

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: bagelman01

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      My dad banned dogs in the house (dogs and cats were for business purposes...hunting or mousing...not pets). So in 1998, when my mom (may she rest in peace) came with me to the shelter to pick up my first dog, Mishka the orange pit pull, she started with the "and I don't want that dog in the living room..." etc etc. By day two she was grilling lamb chops and buying a little container of chicken livers for treats. She cooked for Mishka until her death in 2006; Mishka followed her 8 months later at age 16.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Mishka was built like a little brick outhouse, so counters were out of her reach.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: bagelman01

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Charley is handsome. May you have two decades of happiness with him, and may he astound all with his vigor in his late teens.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            2. My cat is certainly NOT allowed on the kitchen counters or table. He will jump up on the dining room table occasionally to get a better look out to the front yard. I have had cats all of my life, and we never allowed them to roam on the surfaces of the kitchen. I don't understand the comments about how hard it is to train certain breeds; seems to me cats are smarter than we give them credit for, and even tho they could care less about pleasing you, they WILL respond to training, if one is consistent with it. A lot like children, it just takes firm discipline and consistency. Usually the failure to train anything falls on the fault of the human not being consistent. Oh, and I'm Female.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              So my cat knows he is not allowed on the counters, and I've never found him up there checking things out, though I keep it pretty clean and food free, so it's not very interesting to begin with. Now if we could only get him to stop drinking from the fish tank.....

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: Dirtywextraolives

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Yeah, but you'll *never* know what your cat does when you're not around. Trained, shmained.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: linguafood

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Oh I know EXACTLY what he does when we're not around: anything he damn pleases! But it didn't seem like this thread was about what pets do when you're not around. It's a given, especially with cats and their curious nature, to jump on everything & check it out. My cousin has two boxers and a boxer-terrier mix. She has to put child gates up so they don't counter surf when they aren't home. I still crack up picturing them with front paws on the counter, dancing on hind legs, looking for anything to get into.....

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: Dirtywextraolives

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    The parameters of "training" are being stretched by some of these posts. I don't consider an animal to be trained not to do something if its obedience is conditional upon being observed. Having been involved in the cat fancy as a breeder and exhibitor for many years, it's my observation that you can only train a cat to do what it wants, or is willing, to do. You've used a water pistol or scat-mat to "train" your cat not to be on the furniture or counter? See what happens when you put those enforcers away for a week, and don't scold or warn it when it's about to hop up. There are instinctual differences between breeds which people may interpret as being trained. For example, Siamese and their closely-related offshoot breeds like to be up high. Persians and their offshoots are not as likely to be found higher than 2-3 feet. There are of course exceptions, but these are, mostly, hard-wired behaviors that can be understood in light of the climate and terrain of their different regions of origin, and the morphological characteristics thereby determined.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: greygarious

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I'm pretty sure our cat does not go on the cupboards or the kitchen and dining room table. The cat is not allowed on the bathroom counters, but I know she goes up there at night because the cup is occasionally in the sink in the morning.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: greygarious

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        " You've used a water pistol or scat-mat to "train" your cat not to be on the furniture or counter? See what happens when you put those enforcers away for a week, and don't scold or warn it when it's about to hop up."

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I don't need to wonder what happens when I'm not there to observe; the disgusting kitty foot prints all over my stove and counters have completely come to a halt, two weeks after putting away the ScatMat; they were always very visible and that's how I knew we had a problem. He didn't do it more than twice in our presence. Despite the fact that I only used the mat on one area of counter, he's not risked jumping up anywhere any more.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Not only that, but when I got my two kittens 14 years ago, I used a water spray bottle to warn them away from open doors for maybe a few week's time. Neither ever approached an open door or expressed any interest in getting out.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        The counter surfing cat, since my alpha died last month, had been yowling every a.m. earlier and earlier for food until I sprayed in his direction with a spray bottle, no more. Worked for keeping him out of my room, where my little tortie feels safe and I want to keep it that way.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        So, three cats, three successes. The spray bottle did fail to prevent aggressive outbursts by my now deceased alpha at times, but for everything else, spraying and so far, the mat have my endorsement.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: greygarious

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Sounds to me as if mcf has been able to train her cats in various forms.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          As I stated, I believe cats do not have the urge to please their humans and will do what they please, but I also believe they are smart enough to stop an offending behavior when they get a result that they don't like, like getting wet or startled.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          My own cat had an issue for a while of urinating in places other than the litterbox. I had to eventually give up an expensive shag rug that was professionally cleaned at great expense a few times, before I realized it was just not worth it, and the smell would never come out, certainly not to the cat's nose. But by being vigilant and consistent, we were able to break him of this difficult habit in the other locations where he would go.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I realize some on this thread don't have any problem with letting their pet(s) on the counter; some do mind and yet fail to be consistent enough in training so bad habits continue, and some others may have cats that will just never be trainable. Seems to fill the whole spectrum to me.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: Dirtywextraolives

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I harbor no delusions about the cat's motivations to please. I've lived with enough cats for decades not to expect that.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Water spray bottles, even from a distance, have been very effective with the three cats I've used them on. Buying a multitude of types and scratchers when we got new kittens, spraying them with cat nip and any rug or furniture they went to scratch with No Scratch saved my furniture from any scratching for 14 years. Recently I've noticed scratch marks on the top of a brand new sofa and an older one. Sticky Paws tape across the tops and some new spray and scratchers seem to have diverted him. So I've solved three problems by making three cats startled or physically uncomfortable doing something I don't want.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: mcf

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I should add, the couch scratching is by the new foster of two years duration, Fat Freddy the Freeloader, not my remaining 14 y.o. Zoe, one of the two who has never damaged furniture.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: pinehurst

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  His rightful human got him as a rescue named Freddy. He has an insanely abnormal appetite, and was nearly crippled by obesity and diabetes until we changed all three cats at the time to wet, very low carb food twice daily. And we have to keep the kitchen cabinet with the waste basket secured to keep him from pulling garbage out in search of food. And we have to stand watch to make sure he doesn't go for Zoe's food after wolfing his. Down to 14.3 lbs from 22, and still a bit chubby, but incredibly well controlled and on his way to diabetes remission, playful and his thick, sheddy coat is smooth and thinned out, no more heavy shedding, drippy eyes drying up and healing more and more with each loss.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  He found treats on the counter once, and that necessitated the Scat Mat. He still starts following me around whining for dinner about 3 hours too early. It's taken 13 mos to get that much weight off him, by not caving into pressure. Vet has never seen such a well controlled diabetic cat in her life. His appetite is so insane that I once saw him trying to eat his wet food while simultaneously puking up a huge amount of just eaten dry food all over it, before we ditched dry food for good.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: mcf

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    When i die i want to come back as one of your pets. What a dedicated pet parent you are.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: suzigirl

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      You want to be starved and receive electric shocks? Hmmm.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    2. re: mcf

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      We have a neighbor's dog staying with us for a few weeks and he, like our 2, is a rescue. When they first got him, he was pretty overweight but is now fairly trim. But what an appetite! He is *always* hungry, begging for scraps, attempting to steal from the other dogs. This morning, he was trying to get into my son's lunch bag which was hanging from the stair rail.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Good for you for reprogramming FF the F and getting him back into shape.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: mcf

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        The garbage rummaging is a bad learned habit from his former life. We had to dissuade Ben from that, too. ;-)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: pinehurst

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          He's just a fresser! His appetite is insane, I'm sure he has Cushing's or something. I've never seen anything like his hunger intensity. Not from a cat.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: mcf

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Fresser? Are you from central PA? I haven't heard that term since I left home.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: mcf

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Fresser, fressen and fress (the PA German version) were common terms in my PA German neighborhood and it was applied to people as well as animals as in "come to the table, it is time to fress."

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I didn't realize it was also a Yiddish term, learned something new today.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: cleobeach

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  There's a distinction in German. The verb for people is "essen" as in delicatessen. For animals, it's "fressen". The closest in English would be eat as opposed to feed. My mother's terse response to any complaints about whatever she was cooking was "fress dreck": eat dirt, literally, but the contest was, "if you don't like what's on your plate, eat dirt".

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: greygarious

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                greygarious, you have a really valid point about breeds of cats. We're generally very used to how different chihuahuas are from Newfoundlands in dog breeds, but because the morphology of cats exists in a narrower region, we tend to think of them as being more " the same." (I'm sure you get this as a cat fancy person.) After a lifetime of owning American Shorthairs (with a number of years with Siamese in my childhood, and my grandkitty, a Bombay), I was amazed at just how trainable my Maine Coons are. And I do agree with you that their instinctual differences make a huge difference in how well "trained" we perceive them to be; it's that the trainable predilections of my Maines make them much easier to deal with in my kitchen. My shorthairs (one in particular) was a nightmare in the kitchen; my Maines just sit and wait and watch. (The Bombay is equally well-mannered.)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Here comes the morphology issue, maybe: my 20 pounder and 15 pounder are just not interested in getting up *high,* unlike my other 6-8 pound shorthairs. Maybe it's just too much work? Maybe it's the mindset of the breed? I don't know, but anecdotally, I'd state that the Maine Coons are more trainable than any cat I've ever had. I agree with you on the hard-wiring - some breeds are just more "well-behaved/people-pleasing," however we define it for ourselves.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                For me, it's still: stay off the counters! My guys work with me on kitchen and table points. It works for us. next time we add to the herd, it will be with a Maine; extremely livable and trainable to the degree that we wish in the kitchen.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        2. Female.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          It's kind of a moot point because neither dog (5lbs and 7lbs) could even come close to being able to gain counter access on their own. Otherwise "no".

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          That said, I've occasionally plopped one of them up there in order to remove or replace a collar just because it makes the job easier.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: Stardustgirl

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            My dad gave a bath to his grand-daughter's (my niece) chihuahua when he was pet sitting. He decided the kitchen sink was the easiest place to do it.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: John E.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Cute!! I have toy fox terriers, about the same size as a chihuahua, and agree that the kitchen sink is by far the easiest place to bathe these guys.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. Female. I would like a cat, but I won't get one because keeping them off counters and their hair from getting in everything seems impossible.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: Becca Porter

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Get a hairless cat, then put some vanity mirrors up on the counters.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: Firegoat

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Cleaning up cat hair is much easier than the maintenance hairless cats require.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  2. re: Becca Porter

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I've learned in the past couple of years how little cats on wet food that's grain free shed, particularly if kept at an ideal weight. Like nothing much.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: mcf

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      My cat is on grain free, both wet & dry, yet he still sheds.....he is a partial long hair though, but it probably depends on the breed.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: Dirtywextraolives

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Shedding drops dramatically when you ditch the dry food, grain free or not. Seriously, it's really not good for them.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: mcf

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Why would that be? If its made of meat & purified water, and in dry nugget form, why would it be bad for them?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          We had a cat, my husband's actually, that had eaten dry food exclusively. He lived to be about ten, quite healthy, never overweight. I'll have to ask my vet about that, thanks for the heads up.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: mcf

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                catinfo.org is a very good site for learning about cat nutrition. It has saved me untold thousands of dollars/pounds/euros in vet fees to treat bladder stones for my cat. (Too bad I only found it after I'd paid out to rid her of them a second time.)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              2. re: Dirtywextraolives

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                My understanding is that dry pet food is considered heavily processed and is baked at very high temperatures. Would you like your meat served in dry nugget form?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I am a dog rather than a cat person ... I had been under the impression that life expectancy for cats is somewhat similar to that for toy dogs, high teens and sometimes even more. Am I off base on that?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: foiegras

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Well, yeah, I didn't want to sound accusatory, but ten years is mighty short for a cat, in my experience. I think the 14 years I had Jasper (lymphoma/oral cancer) was premature death, too.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  My other cats died at 15, 18 and close to 20. I have a 14 y.o. and an estimated to be 10 y.o. now.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: mcf

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    No I understand. I've had cats live to 17 & 21 years. Ad they were both fed wet and dry, and trust me, my mom was not paying a buck for each small fancy feast sized can, she was buying the cheap stuff, like 9 lives and Friskies. For the most part, I think keeping them inside helps with that life longevity, just as much as what they are fed. My husband's cat was outdoors a lot, and fought with others, so, you know how that goes.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: Dirtywextraolives

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      My 18 y.o. cat had renal failure and loss of muscle mass at the end of his life, and until recent years, I was feeding regular commercial food, mostly dry, too. I think he would have lived a much better life, possibly longer, had I known then what I know now.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      And yes, my cats are indoor cats, I'm sure that helps.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                2. re: Dirtywextraolives

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  There isn't any kibble made that is just meat and water. Even the grain free dry has something as a binder, usually potato.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                3. re: mcf

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  And I've heard the reverse - cats do fine on just dry food - drop the wet, and their litterbox stinks a lot less. Mine are on shredded chicken tenders for Buster, canned [grain-free if possible] for Alfalfa. They each get a Tbsp or so of their "wet" morning and night, and a 1/3 cup scoop of a mix of dry food (as grain free as possible).

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: LindaWhit

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    It's not the wet you want to drop, it's the crap that's in some wet.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Our litter boxes never smell. We scoop them daily.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: mcf

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Well, as I said - Buster gets shredded chicken tenders (and he'll eat ONLY that for "wet" food!). Alfie I've been moving over to the grain-free wet.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: LindaWhit

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        It took me weeks to get Zoe moved from dry to wet, starting with making the dry gradually moister, then wet, then adding tiny, then increasing amounts of dry. I just had to switch her to a new wet food (reformulation) and had to use bits of the discontinued food for a week atop the new to get her to do that. It usually works, takes some patience. At first, she'd only eat the old food on top, but it got her used to the smell and taste of a bit of the new stuff. A couple of skimpy meals in, she made the switch.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Even Freddy the Fresser won't touch Canned Wellness grain free. Something seriously wrong with that, three cats rejected it, every flavor.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I've never had a cat so resistant (and with gastric reactions, now in old age, too) to dietary changes before.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: mcf

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Ahh, I can't mix the dry and wet. They Will. Not. Have. It.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          They get their wet morning after my shower, and again around 6pm (or whenever I get home from work). Their dry they get just before I leave for work or about 10pm. (Otherwise, Buster eats too much too fast and yacks it back up.)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          And interestingly? Alfie *will* eat the canned Wellness. I've been buying the larger cans of that for a cost aspect, and he seems to have no problem with it whatsoever!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: LindaWhit

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I should have added YMMV (your mileage may vary). :-) There was a dry food Freddy refused years ago, Innova EVO.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            As I said, taking weeks to get them used to extremely gradual changes means it might work, but no guarantees. I wasn't clear about what I did; initially, I only added drops of plain water to the dry, increasing by bits until she got used to moist, then wet food. Then tiny amounts of wet food in there for weeks. I never could have gotten away with mixing wet cat food in right away, no way.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: mcf

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Ahhh. Do you mind if I ask how much wet food you feed Freddy the Freeloader every day?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I'm also thinking cutting them back to just wet would make for some sleepless nights for me. Not that they both couldn't stand to lose a bit of the extra poundage, as is evidenced by this "Lazing on a Sunday Afternoon" picture below. :-)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: LindaWhit

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I feed him half a 5.5 oz can twice daily. He gets VERY noodgie a few hours before dinner. He was crying for breakfast for a bit after Jasper the Enforcer died, but a spray bottle in his direction just a few times (not even on him) has kept him quiet for weeks now, even if I'm a bit later getting up. Same with Zoe, she hangs in my room, and was getting noisy at dawn, but two a.m. sprays in her direction and all is well, we get to sleep in peace.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                If Freddy can control vocalizaiton with his rabid, ginormous appetite, anyone can! HTH.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Interesting thing happened when I first got Jasper onto grain free wet. He looked emaciated to me, but he'd only lost fat and gained muscle, he weighed 1.5 lbs MORE. All lean body mass. Freddy is losing still, but he still looks chubs, he's more fat than lean, owing to something wrong with his hormones, I'm betting cortisol based upon his symptoms and behavior, but a losing prop trying to diagnose and treat it in a cat.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Adorable pic!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: mcf

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Buster (gray one) has a mouth on him that is worthy of 3 cats meowing at the same time. He's a LOUD bugger when he wants what he wants, and he *never* backs down. I'm not sure even the water spray trick would work on him, especially since he's the one who doesn't mind lying down in the bathroom washbasin when it's wet.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Alfie (the cowie) has a more delicate mew - rather incongruous coming out of Fat Boy Slim.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: LindaWhit

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Welp, all you can do is try. There's some white vinegar in the bottle because it's the one used to mop our wood floors, the smell may help. But i think it's more the sound and the startle effect. If Zoe sees me reach for it, she takes off. Freddy, too.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Very interesting how bold and noisy these two have become with Jasper's absence, they'd never have dared make noise or attract attention before. He was Black Alpha 1. Tom called him "Sluggo."

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: LindaWhit

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Linda, reading these few posts got me to wondering something. When I was growing up, we had a couple of cats and only fed them dry cat food. We filled the dish when it was empty. Usually, the cat would remind us when it was empty. We've don the same with the cat we have now. None of them ever got particularly over weight. Did we just get lucky with our cats? They all seem healthy enough.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: John E.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I'm trying to remember what we did with our cats growing up as well, John E. I *think* they got wet food 1x a day, but dry all the time.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Alfie is a Hoover, however, although he wasn't when I first got him. I can put two full (albeit small) bowls down in the morning if I'm going away for an overnight, and they'll both be cleaned out by the time I get home about 30 hours later.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: LindaWhit

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I know it's OT but I have a new 3 month old kitten and my vet strongly supports wet and dry food for life. So he gets dry filled up when empty and wet morning and night. It seemed odd to me that she was so adamant because none of the vets for our family pets growing up ever got wet food other than random scraps they discovered.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: fldhkybnva

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Well, you might want to consider another vet, because other than selling the stuff out of her office, she has no other reason to recommend it. They can live on it, but when you discover that they're not doing as well as they might, you've often already created a chronic problem.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: mcf

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            You're saying the wet food is bad for him?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: fldhkybnva

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              No, I'm saying any recco that you continue dry to any degree is.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              just to underline the point, Zoe is now diagnosed with mid stage kidney disease after having spent almost her entire first 12 years on high quality dry food (or so I thought). I didn't buy supermarket stuff when she and Jasper gave up wet food in their first year; who knew?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Finding a quality moderate protein (low protein is bad for anyone's kidney disease due to wasting away of muscles and organs) rx diet is a stretch, they have the crappiest forms of protein and corn starch and corn flour in them for carbs.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              This is why she developed dry stools requireing laxative in her food recently. Her kidneys aren't concentraing her urine and she's peeing out huge amounts of fluid for that reason.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              If I'd only known. On the hunt for a decent moderate protein diet for her. I may just feed what I'm using and cut it with some pumpkin puree instead. Have to worry about the nutrient density, though, too.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    2. re: LindaWhit

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Some cats will eat canned or cooked green beans mixed into their wet food. It provides bulk which is helpful if you are trying to diet them. Same works for some dogs. I had one cat for whom canned asparagus (the juice, anyway) was crack. Fresh-cooked was a nonstarter. I rarely bought it but whenever he smelled an open can, he went wild until he got to drink every drop. He wasn't overweight so I never offered a stalk.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: greygarious

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Both of my two late cats, Scooter and Jaspurr, ate canned pumpkin mixed in with their wet food when they were ailing.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Have not tried canned green beans with the current cats, but one will eat cooked carrots (usually try and save some from the mirepoix when I make chicken stock in the crockpot).

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    2. re: mcf

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I've had a similar experience moving to all grain-free for cats. Granted, as dirtyw/eo suggests, there are breed differences - my long hair Maines shed very minimally (brushing takes care of the non-sheddy undercoat, which tend to mat anyway, so win-win) - but my super-sheddy short hair has become much, much less so with no grains. Upon reflection, we have (despite three cats) very few fur problems these days. To the point where it's surprising.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: cayjohan

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        That's good to know, re the short hair breeds. This is the first cat I've ever had that has long hair in his genes. He's definitely a mutt - crossed between a tabby, coon & angora, I'm convinced. He lies in your arms like a rag doll, and is very affectionate & trainable, and his coat is the softest I have ever felt.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: Dirtywextraolives

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I always kept shorthairs in the past, since I thought longhairs would be an even bigger problem with fur, but I have had to revise my positionsignificantly. A lot of the longhairs don't "shed" as much as they "accumulate" fur, and brushing takes care of the issue to a great degree (don't talk to me in late spring, when the Maines are shedding their manes, pantaloons and undercarriage...then it's brush-brush-brush, but they don't leave it everywhere; they store it until brushing time!). To keep on topic, the longhairs I have are much better kitchen cats than my shorthairs, in re shedding, and toward what-I-want v. what the-cat wants. I'm biased toward the Maines, as my experience with two has been so surprisingly wonderful...two cents, there.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: cayjohan

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Same here, always had short hair cats for the same faulty reasoning as yours ;)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            We got one of those furminator brushes which does a great job of getting out the undercoat. But you're so right, the mane & pantaloons! I cracked up reading that because that's exactly what he has - pantaloons! The butt fluff on these cats is incredible! And when he sits, we call them butt drapes, lol

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: Dirtywextraolives

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              We call our pair "The Galloping Pantaloons!" The furry britches on a longhair always make me laugh - the butt fluff puts a "sashay" into an otherwise normal stride, doesn't it? I get the giggles just thinking about it.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              But oof, pantaloon maintenance is not a favorite job. Everybody hates it: the cat, the holder-of-the-cat, and the wielder of the brush (that'd be me), for obvious reasons. It's just one of those things that Must Be Done, and then the boys are off to fancy sashaying again. Go Galloping Pantaloons!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: cayjohan

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Then there's the Dingleberry Festoons in the Pantaloons. Gah!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: flavrmeistr

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  You nailed that one! Any one of us who has done that gets extra points in cat-owner heaven when the time comes. Since I've already fessed-up to letting my cats sit on (their) tablecloths, it's a chore that must be faced with regularity. Pantaloon Festoons keep one on the left-out side of the metaphorical velvet rope.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: flavrmeistr

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Yes, and Lord help you when they get the runs..... My husband is the poor soul who gets locked in the bathroom with the cat until his pantaloons are washed.... Lol, it's quite a sight, though I do feel bad for both of them, DH is used to giving his cats baths.... Me? You couldn't pay me enough..... Also the vet is great at using electric clippers to trim down the butt fluff, he does it so fast, the cat doesn't even know what happened. Me? Again, just don't have the finesse as the vet, so I won't even attempt that for fear of pulling away a bloody stump where my hand used to be.....