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Did I just have a bad bone marrow experience?

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Eujeanie Aug 4, 2013 10:28 AM

Had never tried it before, wanted to. Ordered it at a very nice restaurant - Gordon Ramsay Steak at the Paris Hotel in Las Vegas.

Since I had never had it, I didn't know what to expect, so I didn't know whether to question or complain. I left most of it.

The problem was, I was expecting a much different texture - I had read that it was buttery, fatty...sounded perfect, since I love most fatty things.

The top was fine, but once I dug down it was a disgusting, gelatinous, BLOODY glop. Is it supposed to be that way or was it seriously undercooked, and I should have sent it back to be cooked more?

Maybe the problem was that it was described as "Demi-Roasted"...so, half roasted, half...raw?

As I said, I ate off the top (which was cooked and delicious), but left the bloody glop behind.

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    Eujeanie Aug 5, 2013 10:03 AM

    Ok, just looked at the videos posted.

    The GR one did look like what I got. I guess it was normal, since the woman in the video was obviously enjoying it. You could see the red droplets, which was as I described. I didn't say it was just a red mass, although reading my original post I might have implied that. I didn't expect to see any blood in it.

    Anyway, it was my first time trying it, I was comparing it to the marrow I know from osso bucco, and as you can see they are quite different.

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      Eujeanie Aug 4, 2013 04:29 PM

      c oliver, that is exactly the way it was cut.

      The more I ruminate, I think it just was a case of a very busy restaurant wanting to get it out quickly.

      I also want to mention I have had the marrow of osso bucco, but that is cooked so long it would never have this undercooked problem, so apples and oranges.

      I scraped enough of the crusty part off the top, plus we had so much to eat anyway, it was not a problem.

      Next time I will know better, send it back if it's the same translucent texture.

      And I am willing to try it again.

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      1. re: Eujeanie
        c oliver Aug 4, 2013 05:49 PM

        It is very scrumptious but what you experienced would be offputting to all but the most dedicated CH :)

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          DeppityDawg Aug 4, 2013 07:01 PM

          Did yours look like this one?
          http://www.foodspotting.com/reviews/2657334

          That is definitely not the normal color for marrow. It's pale colored when raw, and maybe sort of light grayish-brown when cooked. It never goes through a blood red stage, because there's not much, if any blood in there… So I think they must add something.

          It's possible that the recipe is more complicated than just taking the split bones and roasting them. Like in this CHOW video, where the raw marrow is scooped out and repacked into the bone with other ingredients (but this one is fully cooked, unlike GR's version):

          http://www.chow.com/videos/show/ny-ch...

          1. re: DeppityDawg
            Chemicalkinetics Aug 4, 2013 07:08 PM

            <where the raw marrow is scooped out and repacked into the bone with other ingredients>

            Great explanation.

          2. re: Eujeanie
            Caroline1 Aug 4, 2013 07:43 PM

            If you close the picture and read the recipe and directions in the link from c oliver, I suspect the mystery is solved! Sounds to me, based on your description, that the restaurant did not properly prep the marrow bones before cooking. When marrow bones are split lengthwise and intended for service as a starter, they are first soaked in cold water overnight or for a full day to leach any red blood from the marrow. Sounds like that step was omitted. Obviously it's not done for dishes such as osso bucco, where the marrow is a treat that comes as part of the dish. Had the marrow NOT been served rare, there would have been no red blood showing. Whoever said they didn't care for Gordon Ramsay, I have never been impresses by his cooking skills. Yelling and rude he does all too well. It never improves the flavor of any dish.

            1. re: Caroline1
              Veggo Aug 4, 2013 07:46 PM

              I'm about to go to bed, with visions of osso bucco dancing in my head....

              1. re: Veggo
                Caroline1 Aug 4, 2013 07:50 PM

                It's worth dancing over! '-)

              2. re: Caroline1
                Chemicalkinetics Aug 4, 2013 07:50 PM

                <Yelling and rude he does all too well>

                I heard that he exaggerated for his TV shows. People like to watch this sort of things.

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                  Caroline1 Aug 4, 2013 07:58 PM

                  ahhhhhhh... That explains it then. He has no concept of "good PR!"

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                    Chemicalkinetics Aug 4, 2013 08:26 PM

                    Have you seen these?

                    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WcZqw...

                    1. re: Chemicalkinetics
                      Caroline1 Aug 4, 2013 08:35 PM

                      LOL! My only problem is figuring out why those ads would make anyone want to go into the hospitality industry.

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                  DeppityDawg Aug 5, 2013 06:40 AM

                  Here's a website with some very clear photos of unsoaked marrow bones, before and after cooking:

                  http://www.thehungrymouse.com/2010/02/17/roasted-marrow-bones/

                  They are not cut lengthwise, like the OP's were, but you can see that there is just a slight rim of red between the marrow and the bone, and some tiny red droplets on the cut surface. I don't see how that can turn into a bloody red glop at any stage of cooking.

                  If GR's roasted marrow consistently comes out red (which is something we haven't actually established), I would be inclined to think that it's not from cutting corners in basic food prep, but an intentional part of the recipe.

                  Here's a video of someone else eating GR's marrow bones (I recommend turning off the sound and stopping before the end):
                  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dfD_6...

                  The color looks completely normal to me. If I had been in the OP's position and the marrow looked weird and inedible, I would have said something to the server. If I'm paying $13 or $14 for a side dish, I want to be able to eat it!

                  1. re: DeppityDawg
                    c oliver Aug 5, 2013 07:02 AM

                    Nothing wrong either with asking the server if that's how it's supposed to be/look.

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                Eujeanie Aug 4, 2013 03:55 PM

                It was cut lengthwise. Two rather large bones (well, halves of bones) about 6-7 " long. And I don't want to imply it was gushing blood...it was mostly translucent white, and at the very bottom it had blood - still red, not cooked gray which would not have bothered me. Very red, getting to the congealed point but still red.

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                1. re: Eujeanie
                  Chemicalkinetics Aug 4, 2013 04:11 PM

                  In short, I guess it wasn't cooked thoroughly. But then, maybe it is intentionally uncooked.

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                    c oliver Aug 4, 2013 04:16 PM

                    http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=h...

                    HUGE link. If you can open it, is this how your were cut? Looks great but I'm not diggin' the bloody part and I DO eat blood sausage etc.

                  2. Caroline1 Aug 4, 2013 01:26 PM

                    Bone marrow is basically fat, BUT... It is the cells INSIDE a bone that produce white blood cells that are critical to the immune system. It also has something in common with foi gras (duck or goose liver) in that the more you heat it, the more of it will melt away. As an aside, this melting away of very expensive foi gras was the impetus behind sous vide cooking.

                    Normally, at least in my experience, bone marrow is served with toasts to spread it on because it is so very buttery! Even when cooked "Demi-Roasted," a la Chef Ramsay (which I read as flat out "rare") it is not a solid that will have any "chew" to it, hence the toast to spread it on.

                    My favorite way to have bone marrow is to suck it out of the bones of osso bucco, or lamb shanks, or any roasted, braised, or stewed cut that has a "round bone" in it, preferably when no one is looking! But if I have osso bucco in an Italian restaurant, there is always crusty bread at hand to spread it on.

                    Oh, and the breed of beef will have a great deal to do with the flavor. My favorite is from Charolaise cattle, which has a hearty beefy flavor I've not found in Angus (Black or Red) or Wagyu.

                    If you ever order it again, there or anywhere else, you might ask for it to be cooked a bit more if the rare version put you off. And isn't it funny how bone marrow is cheap if you buy it in a cut of meat (comes free) but if you buy it by the bone, and especially in a restaurant, the price goes zipping up! It's the way of the world. Try to buy a cheap oxtail these days.

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                    1. re: Caroline1
                      c oliver Aug 4, 2013 03:23 PM

                      I made it a few years ago and the instruction I got (from here maybe?) was to put it on bone sized pieces of bread. That way any of the goodness would still be there. And I used tiny demi-tasse spoons for scooping it out. But sucking is good also :)

                    2. John E. Aug 4, 2013 12:37 PM

                      I am curious as to how it was prepared. Was it a long bone cut lengthwise? Or was it a short bone cut cross-wise?

                      I have never ordered bone marrow in a restaurant, but have eaten it at home occasionally, usually if I am making beef stock.

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                      1. re: John E.
                        Chemicalkinetics Aug 4, 2013 01:10 PM

                        <usually if I am making beef stock>

                        Same here. I have seen pinkish bone marrow, but not red.

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                        Ray2 Aug 4, 2013 11:28 AM

                        They vary a lot. One of my favorites is done well, sliced thin and served in a consume. In bone, you sound like you had more blood than I've ever seen. Though no idea how that works with the animal.

                        1. Chemicalkinetics Aug 4, 2013 10:56 AM

                          It is gloppy, but not bloody.

                          < was it seriously undercooked>

                          It isn't even about undercooking. Many raw bone marrows are not all that much blood to begin with. I suppose that you got lucky and got a bloody one.

                          http://www.omaspride.com/components/c...

                          1. bagelman01 Aug 4, 2013 10:55 AM

                            Sounds like it was not fully cooked. While I eat my beef mooing, I find bone marrow should be fully cooked. I tend to use marrow bones in making soup, so they are fully cooked when I eat the marrow. I have occasionally roasted the bones after making the soup for a special flavor, but can't imagine eating raw/rare marrow.

                            Then again, I'm not a fan of Ramsay's cooking, period.

                            1. Veggo Aug 4, 2013 10:47 AM

                              In my experiences it has had a gelatinous texture, but never a bloody mess. I back off from blood pudding and blood sausage.

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