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St. Paul Whole Foods is moving to the corner of Snelling and Selby.

soccermom13 Aug 3, 2013 03:51 AM

I have always HATED the traffic at that corner, so I am bummed. Plus, the current location is only 1/2 mile from my home, eminently walkable, so I am spoiled.


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    JimGrinsfelder Aug 3, 2013 11:53 AM

    Which corner? Are they actually going to be on the corner? Tearing down the bank? O'Gara's? Starbucks etc...? Or that other building?

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    1. re: JimGrinsfelder
      soccermom13 Aug 3, 2013 01:07 PM

      Hi Jim,

      I am not exactly sure. Per the article:

      "The natural-foods store will be part of a proposed new Ryan Cos. development on the northeast corner of Snelling and Selby, which will include 210 apartments and a new branch for the existing Associated Bank."

      I can't see the bank giving up their prime spot on the corner---unless a lot of $$ change hands. If Whole Paycheck isn't going right smack on the corner, then it must be going a little east of the bank..... I should take a walk or drive by to see what might have to be torn down to make this all doable.

      FYI---There is a Patina store on the northwest corner of that intersection, and some interesting little shops to the west of Patina on Selby.


      1. re: JimGrinsfelder
        steve_in_stpaul Aug 3, 2013 08:17 PM

        It's the NE corner of Selby & Snelling, where the bank (American?) is now, all the way up past the Getten Credit building. The bank is going to be rebuilt, the WF is moving in, and there will be housing on upper levels. Lots of discussion about traffic flow and parking.

        1. re: steve_in_stpaul
          latte4me Aug 5, 2013 04:57 PM

          Thank goodness they are thinking about traffic. The intersection is already nuts with everyone turning to Ayd Mill. But on the bright side, their press release seemed to imply the store would be larger.

          1. re: latte4me
            JimGrinsfelder Aug 6, 2013 02:33 PM

            Based on the quote, it seems they'll tear down the bank and build a new branch office into the development.

            I've seen more cars totaled on that corner than anywhere else in the cities. I know it's not great data and I drive through that intersection 2-4 times per day.... I hope I can get to it from Ayd Mill.

            1. re: JimGrinsfelder
              american_idle Aug 7, 2013 06:37 AM

              Until last October, I lived on that intersection for 13 years. The traffic is bad (and barring huge efforts to mitigate it, will be made much worse by the WF), but I don't associate it with high accident rates. Two blocks north at Marshall / Snelling is probably worse for accidents. WAY worse for "blocking the box".

      2. The Dairy Queen Aug 3, 2013 04:24 PM

        Well, I hope something really good moves into the current Whole Foods spot, then...


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        1. re: The Dairy Queen
          Brad Ballinger Aug 3, 2013 08:41 PM

          I'm not too optimistic. It's a layout or an old school grocery tore. R. C. Dick's occupied it before WF. It has been over two years since Mississippi Market moved from Fairview and Randolph, and that space is still vacant.

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            The Dairy Queen Aug 4, 2013 03:16 AM

            I think the continued vacancy at at the corner of FV/Ran has more to do with having St. Paul Academy (who has put all kinds of restrictions on rental arrangements as they've got a sports complex they have long overdue plans to build there...) as your landlord than anything. There are two thriving coffee shops across the street: it's a great corner (traffic-wise) with a lousy landlord on the South East Side of the Street.

            But, yeah, I do see your point about the space on Fairview being less than ideal for a grocery store. But, maybe a restaurant?


            1. re: The Dairy Queen
              foodieesq Aug 10, 2013 02:23 PM

              As a Fairview/Randolph neighbor, it would be lovely to have something in the Mississippi Market space.

              But I disagree that St. Paul Academy is a "lousy landlord." I understand that the school has - as you said - a long-term development plan, and that they're not renting the spot as a result. So it's not as if new stores/restaurants/markets aren't choosing to rent that space due to some view of the school as a bad landlord, it's that the space is not on the rental market at all.

              As to WF, very bummed that it is moving. I hate the corner of Snelling and Selby - too busy and no easy parking.

            2. re: Brad Ballinger
              steve_in_stpaul Aug 5, 2013 06:41 AM

              Interesting that the current St. Paul WF was an R. C. Dick's -- looks a *lot* like an old Lund's (like the one that was up on Silver Lake Road). Even money right now that the building is torn down and it becomes a CVS or something. Maybe an upgrade to a place like Golden Fig, though I think their current location is better for them.

              The old Miss Market space is, as TDQ stated, subject to what SPA wants to do; it also was a very small market, from the perspectives both of shelf space and back-office logistics.

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            stepawayfromthetable Aug 4, 2013 04:52 PM

            Wow. Traffic will be terrible there.

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            1. re: stepawayfromthetable
              soccermom13 Aug 6, 2013 03:24 AM

              I already hate the traffic on that corner. But I'll just grit my teeth and bear it the way I do for Trader Joe's on Randolph and Lexington.

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              Haricotsv2 Aug 6, 2013 05:03 PM

              This is the first I'm hearing of this. I'm also super bummed! We must be neighbors, sigh, I walk there too.

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                soccermom13 Aug 9, 2013 09:31 AM

                I stopped at both the bank and Whole Paycheck today. Here's more info re what's going where:

                *** Per the bank, they will build exactly one block north of their current location. They will be on the NE corner of Snelling and Dayton.

                *** Whole Paycheck (and the housing units) will go where the bank currently is---on the NE corner of Selby and Snelling.

                *** The bank owns a house or two to the east of their current location. It's possible the land upon which those houses sit could be used for a parking lot. I've also heard (although not from the bank) that a parking ramp---like the one at Grand and Victoria--- may be in the works.

                *** Whole Paycheck will NOT maintain the old store on Fairview and Grand after they move to Snelling and Selby. (A friend thought they would maintain the old location, but they said no when I asked at WP).

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                1. re: soccermom13
                  steve_in_stpaul Aug 9, 2013 09:56 PM

                  Thanks for the update, soccermom!

                  I can't imagine why WF would want the old store after they move. Far too close to the new, "better" location.

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                  sandylc Aug 20, 2013 03:45 PM

                  I will not miss the strong old fish odor at the old store.

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                    JimGrinsfelder Aug 21, 2013 08:23 AM

                    Are you talking about WF at Fairview & Grand? Strong fish odor? I'm confused.

                    Now if you were talking about the odor at Shuang Hur or Dragon Star, I'd understand and agree.

                    1. re: JimGrinsfelder
                      sandylc Aug 21, 2013 09:13 AM

                      Yes, that WF. We've shopped there for years, and the old fish smell has always been there. The SLP store doesn't have that problem.

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                        soccermom13 Aug 21, 2013 09:36 AM

                        Hi Sandy,
                        I shop at the WF in St. Paul and I have never noticed an old fish smell. I admit that allergies can impair my sense of smell, but, honestly, I don't have allergies all year round and I have NEVER smelled old fish.

                        1. re: soccermom13
                          sandylc Aug 21, 2013 10:23 AM

                          If you've never smelled it, that's a GOOD thing!

                          It doesn't keep us from shopping there...it is what it is...

                    2. re: sandylc
                      coconutty Aug 30, 2013 08:24 AM

                      I rarely comment but HAD to on this one. People who are claiming to never have smelled the strong fish odor at WF in St. Paul need to get their olfactory nerves checked, pronto. It is BAD on some days. The only good thing about it is that it gets me out of there quicker and probably saves me money in the long run.

                      1. re: coconutty
                        foreverhungry Aug 30, 2013 09:39 AM

                        I used to shop at WF in STP on a fairly regular basis (a few times a month) up until about four years ago. Since I moved and it's no longer very convenient, I go there maybe once a month to once every two months, and ironically, I often purchase seafood there.

                        In the times I've been in that store, I've never smelled a strong fish odor. And my olfactory system works just fine.

                        1. re: coconutty
                          foreverhungry Aug 30, 2013 12:13 PM

                          Update - I just spent about 20 minutes at the STP WF. About 8 minutes were spent at the seafood and meat counter. I can report that while the fruits and cheeses smelled appropriate (in their respective departments), I detected no strong fish smell anywhere.

                          BTW - the seafood selection today was very good - I picked up a whole branzino, a whole yellowtail snapper, and some shrimp.

                          1. re: foreverhungry
                            docfood Aug 30, 2013 02:52 PM

                            I just left, too. Outside of the stupid SUV's taking up two spaces, nothing else left a bad taste in my mouth or offended my olfactory nerves.

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                        sheepy Aug 26, 2013 07:14 PM

                        Overall I think it is one of the dirtiest stores I've ever been in. Not as bad as Cooper's on W7th, but nearly that bad.

                        And I'd pay extra if the employees would wash their hands.

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                        1. re: sheepy
                          steve_in_stpaul Aug 27, 2013 05:50 AM

                          That Cooper's actually has improved since they switched food distributors from SuperValu; don't know why (different cleaning product? It's the same people inside).

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