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Any Recent Reports from Turtle Bay?

Bill Hunt Jul 30, 2013 06:31 PM

In a few months, we're headed to O`ahu, and will split the trip between the North Shore and Waikiki Area.

This will be our first North Shore visit in about two years, and we were curious how things were doing there, and especially at the Turtle Bay Resort.

Over the many years, we have experienced the good, and the bad. About 8 - 9 years ago, things got better, but then became a bit uneven.

21 Degrees North has been the bright spot, but it HAS been almost 24 mos.
Ola has been up, but Ola has been down.
Once, the Palm Terrace, a mixture of a la carte, or buffet, became something else (Bernardo's?). When it was, what it was, the a la carte menu was quite good, though their wine list was very limited - still, a nice, casual location, but we have no idea of the buffet, as we just seldom can be talked into doing those.
Lei-Lei at the golf course, has always been consistent and good.

I hear that Turtle Bay has added a new restaurant, but can find no reports.

We hope to do a couple of lunches in Hale`iwa, at perhaps Luibuenos, or elsewhere, but for dinner, we like to stay on property if possible, as we like our wines too much to want to drive, even from close by.

Just looking for some recent comments, and mahalo.

Much Aloha,


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  1. KaimukiMan RE: Bill Hunt Jul 30, 2013 08:09 PM

    Ha, I was just about to suggest reading one of your old posts before i realized you were the poster.

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    1. re: KaimukiMan
      Bill Hunt RE: KaimukiMan Jul 31, 2013 07:04 PM

      Yeah, as things DO change, I was looking for reports on what might be better now, or not so good now, as it was then.

      Will report on the new spots, and it looks like 21 Degrees might now be gone - that is sad, as they always were our top pick.



    2. edible complex RE: Bill Hunt Jul 31, 2013 03:50 AM

      Leaving this Saturday for the Northshore. Going to OLA Sunday night and will report back. 3 yrs ago we had great sushi at Banzai in Haleiwa. Also had terrific abalone at Laie Chop Suey. The place is nothing to look at but does a tremendous take out business.

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        Bill Hunt RE: edible complex Jul 31, 2013 07:05 PM


        Please do. Right now, Ola is our first night, and we will do Lei-Lei's, plus the new restaurant in the lobby. Seems that 21 Degrees is history, and that saddens us, as we have had great meals there - good wine list, and especially for the North Shore!

        We will report too.


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          edible complex RE: Bill Hunt Aug 19, 2013 07:26 PM

          Ola was good. Their misoyaki butterfish is still my fave. Started with the grilled octopus and the pork and goat cheese nachos. The wine we ordered was out, so they substituted. And I forget you can't have more than one drink per person at a table. So getting a drink waiting for a table and ordering wine with dinner need to be paced.

          This was our 2nd time to eat there in 3 yrs. Both times, they did not have my requests (made and confirmed a month early) for a beach table, even after repeated phone calls to reconfirm. I should not have to have words with the host about them losing the requests and waiting for a table each time. Service was fine otherwise, but they sure make it difficult up front. I guess they have a captive audience and can do what they want.

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            Bill Hunt RE: edible complex Aug 21, 2013 09:38 PM


            We have had very good meals, but also some major misses. In one case, one dish was excellent, while the other was inedible. Stuff happens.

            We have them on the first night, and will see what is happening.

            I did not know about the "one-drink" limit, as we often have several bottles of wine open, and taste each, with each course. I will keep an eye out for that limitation - it is not how we dine, and had just never run afoul of it.



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              macsak RE: Bill Hunt Aug 22, 2013 09:03 AM

              it is supposedly against the liquor laws
              bars i have been to refer to it as "stacking"
              they make you finish a beer and hand the bottle/glass to the server before you get the next one

              not sure if it is really against the law, but that is what we are told
              a place we were regulars at would give us markers at the end of happy hour so we could get one more beer at the happy hour price, but drink it after happy hour ended (without stacking)

              1. re: macsak
                manomin RE: macsak Aug 22, 2013 12:16 PM

                It's called "Stacking" and is enforced a lot.

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                  KaimukiMan RE: manomin Aug 22, 2013 01:52 PM

                  it doesn't seem to be enforced as much with wine as with beer or hard liquor. and you can have one beer and one shot in front of you at the same time, but not two shots, two mixed drinks, or two beers. Aside from a wine pairing it is unusual to have more than one wine glass in front of you. The fact that wine comes in bottles also complicates things, as that would almost by definition be considered 'stacking'.

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                    Bill Hunt RE: KaimukiMan Aug 23, 2013 05:36 PM

                    Wow! You guys are teaching this old dog some new tricks. Never ran into this, but we are only "winos."



                2. re: macsak
                  Bill Hunt RE: macsak Aug 23, 2013 05:35 PM


                  I have not run afoul of that, at least not yet. We often do several half-bottles of wine, to pair with each course, so would have thought that I would have been informed. I will be quite, just in case we has managed to "sneak by."

                  Thanks for the H/U.


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                  edible complex RE: Bill Hunt Aug 22, 2013 05:58 PM

                  likewise, we usually have several bottles at the table as well. we were able to have 2 bottles at our table of 4 that night after we finished our drinks. assuming that one bottle per couple is allowed.

                  I first noted this rule when we were at the bar getting drinks for sunset. we ordered 4 drinks, while one was parking the car. the bartender took back the drink until that person came to the bar.

                  have a good trip. cheers!

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                    indelibledotink RE: Bill Hunt Aug 22, 2013 07:16 PM

                    I took the liquor commission's class/test and yes, stacking is not allowed. one drink per customer at a time. one shot and one beer allowed because you can make a boilermaker with them, which counts as a single drink.

                    I don't know if it's applicable in restaurants for wine.

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                      manomin RE: indelibledotink Aug 22, 2013 10:30 PM

                      That is exactly what all my friends in the industry have defined as "stacking." Thanks indelibledotink.

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                        Bill Hunt RE: manomin Aug 23, 2013 05:42 PM

                        Now you have all got me worried. While I do not mind "stretching" some laws, if I can only have one wine, at a time, my life will be ruined, and that is for sure.

                        I will smile, make up some story about "reviewing the restaurant for CH," and hope that I can skate.

                        Shoot, we get seated at a 5-top in a particular restaurant in San Francisco (obviously not Hawai`i), because we often have 8 - 10 glasses of wine each, during a Chef's Tasting.

                        We do the same at Chef Mavro's, La Mer, and Alan Wong's, and have never had any issue.

                        When K'man dined with us at AW's King St., a few years ago, I thing that between the three of us, we might have had 8 glasses of wine on the table, but maybe they let me slide?

                        Last time at Mama's Fish House, we had 3 half-bottles open, and on the table. Just does not make sense, but then I am rather dense, and just fell off the turnip truck yesterday.



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                          KaimukiMan RE: Bill Hunt Aug 23, 2013 05:50 PM

                          wine may be exempt from the stacking thing.

                          and the removing the drink when the patron leaves the establishment is totally fouled up by the no smoking laws.

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                            indelibledotink RE: KaimukiMan Aug 23, 2013 07:54 PM


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                        manomin RE: indelibledotink Aug 23, 2013 08:13 PM

                        From the 2008 C&C Liquor Commission rules document:

                        “Stacking” of liquor by the licensee means allowing the service for consumption, of more than one drink at a time per customer, except that beer may be served with a straight or unmixed serving of liquor. This shall not apply to Commission approved authorized showroom facilities which may serve the “minimum” number of drinks at the same time to lessen disturbance to the show.

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                          indelibledotink RE: manomin Aug 23, 2013 08:21 PM

                          ya, I know what stacking is, I was wondering about kman's no smoking comment?

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                            manomin RE: indelibledotink Aug 23, 2013 09:55 PM

                            Don't get hinky, I didn't infer that you didn't know since you took the test. I posted that so others would know the definition in the rules. The smoking comment was of interest and I hope he elaborates. If they take the drink without it being finished just for a smoke break that would be lousy. I do hope he tells us what he means.

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                              indelibledotink RE: manomin Aug 24, 2013 12:14 AM

                              no hinkiness here

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                                macsak RE: manomin Aug 24, 2013 10:36 AM

                                yes, i am sure that's what he means
                                if you leave the premises for a smoke break, they need to take away your drink

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                                  KaimukiMan RE: macsak Aug 24, 2013 01:10 PM

                                  precisely what i mean. a drink is not allowed to remain on the bar/table whatever if the patron leaves. not sure of the exact wording. the law was written when smoking was allowed indoors. Theoretically they have to remove the drinks when a patron goes outside to smoke a cigarette. I've not seen it happen, the bartender or waitstaff would go nuts trying to keep track, or you would have to finish your drink before you go out. but if your drink isn't there to save your seat . . .

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                                    indelibledotink RE: KaimukiMan Aug 24, 2013 02:12 PM

                                    I haven't heard of that before. my drink is always there after I come back from a bathroom break, and I don't announce where i'm going.

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                                      KaimukiMan RE: indelibledotink Aug 24, 2013 04:13 PM

                                      if you don't exit the establishment it doesn't apply.

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                                        indelibledotink RE: KaimukiMan Aug 24, 2013 04:26 PM

                                        ya, but they don't necessarily know where i'm going.

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