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The Basic "Rules" of Posting

I always felt like there was a certain, assumed "code of conduct". For examples:

Don't "yuck" someone else's "yum".

Speak to the Chow, not the 'hound.

Don't drink and post.

Always try to read the post in the best light possible. If it can either be taken as a very offensive statement or a joke, assume the latter.

Never out a fellow 'hound.

Don't judge the food by the server.

(and, a personal one of mine - Never really slam a restaurant after only one visit.)

Anyone got others to add?

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  1. Our Posting Guidelines are a great place to start: http://www.chow.com/guidelines

    Several of the things MGZ mentioned are covered there, as well.

    Dave MP

    1. "Always try to read the post in the best light possible. If it can either be taken as a very offensive statement or a joke, assume the latter."

      A corollary to that one:

      Always try to take moderation in the best light possible. If it can be taken as a personal vendetta against you, or as the moderators trying their best to keep the site informative, friendly and fun, assume the latter.

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        1. re: pedalfaster

          I'd never be allowed on the site!

          I actually do my best to follow this one. I haven't had all that many posts deleted, but most of those that have been have come after drinking.

          1. re: donovt

            Yeah, that one is more of a "suggestion" to, shall we say, reread, before you hit the "Reply" button.

              1. re: chileheadmike

                wasn't the internet created by people fueled on pizza and beer?

          2. re: pedalfaster

            LOL! I *was* about to comment on that!

            1. re: pedalfaster

              Well damn, there go most of my posts from home, and more than a few from work...

            2. Stay on topic! Leave your politics and personal mission statements out. A thread about Egg McMuffins isn't the place to bring up locally-sourced vegetables, Obamacare, or why you should eat homemade.

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              1. re: NonnieMuss

                Yup, replying to my own post. I am guilty of going OT from time to time - replying to another post or making a joke. I'd like to amend that to Don't visit a thread with an agenda in mind. Are you on the Chains board? Welcome! Are you there to tell people you never eat at chain restaurants? Why!?!?!? Do you go into a "What's the best jarred tomato sauce/salsa/canned green beans/fast food chicken" thread just to tell people it's better homemade? Ugh. Did you visit the "rotisserie chicken recipes" thread to inform people about the sodium content? Blergh.

                1. re: NonnieMuss

                  May I suggest one exception to your excellent point? I'm guilty of posting, for example, that it seems a shame to get lentils from canned lentil soup via a thorough rinse when cooking the small green lentils takes about fifteen minutes. I honestly thought I was contributing in case someone was thinking lentils have a cook time similar to dried beans. Wasn't trying to be a scold at all. --End of self-justification--

                  1. re: monfrancisco

                    That sounds more to me like suggesting an alternative in a gracious manner. (Assuming you're not responding with "Gross! Canned lentils taste like butt! Only use fresh lentils!) (And I assume you are not doing that. :D ) I will allow it.

                    1. re: NonnieMuss

                      Thanks for the dispensation! And that's another good point about alternatives rather than diktats.

              2. No matter what you say on a thread, you're never going to change someone's opinion so stop trying.

                Corollary to that is don't start a thread where you are looking for confirmation of rightness of something you did.

                1. I consider it rude to post a response to a thread without having first read the previous responses. But there's got to be a length limit of some sort. I tend to think it's okay not to read the whole thing first if it's got more than 50-ish posts and even then, I do skim them to see if anyone has already made my point or suggestion, in which case I click on "recommend" rather than contributing another post.

                  Do any like-minded Hounds adhere to a specific number?

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                  1. re: greygarious

                    I agree. And to add, I think people should avoid replying to early responses as if they are obligated to the information that came later (temporally). How many have posted in response to the OP only to have more information come a day or two later?

                    So: read through the thread, but also be sensitive to the temporal nature of its growth and information accretion.

                  2. I disgree with at least two of your so-called "rules."

                    I see nothing wrong with "yuck" to someone's "yum." That ban implies that the over-riding concern is that we strive to be blandly in agreement. I think food is an area where vigorous disagreements are fine.

                    I see nothing wrong with slamming a restaurant after one visit. If that were true, restaurants would rarely be slammed, since most people aren't willing to throw good money after bad. My suggestion would be that if you're slamming a restaurant, try to be specific.

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                    1. re: Fida

                      I think the term 'don't yuck someone's yum' means don't question their judgement in foods.
                      For example, I may love cream of mushroom soup, and you may dislike it. And that's fine. Just don't diss me for liking it.

                      That's yucking my yum.

                    2. What do you mean by "Never out a fellow 'hound"?

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                      1. re: DeppityDawg

                        Post their real name without permission.

                        1. re: MGZ

                          Got it. I would prefer if people avoided real names in all cases, even with permission. Once in while I come across a post like "I agree with everything that William said above" and I have no idea who they're talking about. Stick to the screen names; that's what they're for.

                      2. "Always try to read the post in the best light possible. If it can either be taken as a very offensive statement or a joke, assume the latter."

                        Hear, hear. Does that pertain to the mods, too? :-D

                            1. re: linguafood

                              I.B.L.

                              You mean "I blame linguafood"?

                              :-)

                              (another IBL)

                                  1. re: ipsedixit

                                    I'd add:

                                    Don't clutter up the board with overly cute inside jokes and personal messages that have nothing to do with the mission of Chowhound.

                                    1. re: carolinadawg

                                      Oh good, cuz none of my inside jokes are "cute".

                                      1. re: carolinadawg

                                        The "mission". Does that make the mods missionaries? :-D

                                        (Hope that's not too cute of a joke for ya).

                                        1. re: carolinadawg

                                          carolinad, (nearly) everyone strays off the topic of food at one point or another. I think it's natural to expect topics to stray when folks spend a great deal of time on CH.

                                          Even on CHOW. Supertaster's been sharing his baby stories for a few episodes. The CHOW blog articles usually point to some personal experience during the telling of a story.

                                          And, how do I wind up with all this non food 'information' in my head about a community of Chowhounds I've never met if the focus is just on food. It stopped being just about food some time ago. For me, the broader discussion began after the impact Sept. 11th had on this community.

                                          1. re: HillJ

                                            There is BIG difference between straying off topic, and turning this into a private message board to shoot silly inside jokes and cutesy messages (the equivilant of passing notes in junior high school) back and forth.

                                            The posting guidelines state "focus on the food".

                                            1. re: carolinadawg

                                              I find that the difference lies in how each of us interprets the guidelines. Guideline have changed over a period of time. Many of the threads that once would have been deleted for being OT or not CH topics are now allowed. Thread on food tats, feeding your pets, special diets that cover medical issues, taking shots at tv chefs. All of these types of discussions were quickly deleted not all that long ago and are welcome board chat now. And, with that comes more non food discussion, personal exchanges, silly jokes and cutesy. In other words, I think the CH Team made these flexible decisions to expand topics not CH's.

                                              1. re: HillJ

                                                Then the CH Team needs to rewrite the posting guidelines and institute a more uniform moderation policy.

                                            2. re: HillJ

                                              I agree, I think some stray is the natural part of many threads and should be allowed to a point of course, but whose limit that is is a good question.

                                              1. re: fldhkybnva

                                                If it's of interest to me and it confirms my prejudices then the limit is limitless. If the subject is not of interest to me and shows my prejudices to be complete and utter folly (with solid facts) then it is clearly off topic and should be yanked down immediately! (g)

                                    2. I think a corollary to the 'offensive statement/joke’ rule should be to tread carefully when levying comments that can be seen as hateful. I hear what you're saying and I think that's a great rule for a forum as 'diverse' as this one (pretty homogenous in some ways, but clearly diverse when it comes to politics). But let's not kid ourselves that 'I was joking!' is a catch all defence against treading into offensive waters. Jokes are embedded in cultural beliefs and work accordingly. Jokes are not neutral- even if they can be wicked funny,
                                      So: know your audience and also, although this is my fantasy one never to be realised here: check your privilege. Your joke should punch up, not down.

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                                      1. re: Lizard

                                        "Your joke should punch up, not down."

                                        Word.

                                        1. re: Lizard

                                          "So: know your audience and also, although this is my fantasy one never to be realised here: check your privilege. Your joke should punch up, not down."

                                          Agreed.

                                        2. "Don't drink and post."
                                          I concur. Do your drinking first.

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                                          1. re: Veggo

                                            I prefer drinking after I post.

                                            Actually, let me rephrase. I *have* to drink after I post.

                                            1. re: ipsedixit

                                              Sam and I could put a lot of air in our Flor de Cana bottles during a CH session. My collection of his off board e-mails are a riot, and I cherish them.

                                              1. re: ipsedixit

                                                That's strange. I only have to drink after you post...(and, while that is clearly intended to be humorous I am not sure which direction - up or down - it was heading toward as I lost my spatial humor direction in virtual space)

                                                    1. re: Veggo

                                                      And, I as well.

                                                      Sometimes, I poast just so I *can* drink.

                                                    2. re: ipsedixit

                                                      Since I graduated as Class Vale-Contrarian...it wasn't even a close contest - I can usually recognize another winner when I read them. You sir, are a winner! (g)

                                                1. re: Veggo

                                                  I could never drink and post - I have to put the bottle down to type.

                                                  1. I prefer that when restaurants are recommended or mentioned that at least the area of the city or rural area they are in is mentioned. It is even better if an address is provided. This is especially important in large cities. I find that often people post about restaurants in their small area of the city and assume every one knows the place. But if I live in a different area of the city, or am coming to visit the city and am staying in one specific area, I would want to know about other areas of the city. Going to a new restaurant is one way to get to know different areas of the city.

                                                    An added benefit of this policy is that the forum would feel less like 'an in group' where regulars all know what they are talking about, but new people don't.

                                                    Yes, I know google is my friend, but giving the sense of the forum as a welcoming place is contradicted when a poster tells me to just 'google' it.

                                                    1. Always wait 20 minutes after eating to post. I think my mom traumatized me with this and swimming as a child, now I feel the need to wait 20 minutes after eating to do anything in fear I'm going to cramp up.

                                                      How about this rule.......Chowhound isn't a contest. There is no prize for being the "most right" on a thread. I posted about a personal experience in a thread recently and someone responded "I strongly disagree"........I was like WTF!?!?!?! How can you strongly disagree with something that has happened to me? (my response was removed by the mods'...lol) Too many times I find people who feel this need to be "most right"......instead of answering a post(er) directly they feel the need to disagree with advice given, instead of just offering their own advice directly to the OP. Instead of directly responding to my post with an adversarial comment or point of view, just respond to the OP directly and offer your varying opinion.

                                                      1. Any objections to Don't Yum on My Yuck? I sometimes feel like I'm not allowed to simply dislike a food without 19 people telling me I haven't had the real thing, I haven't had their recipe, asking have I tried this, and here's my recipe you will love it.

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                                                        1. re: NonnieMuss

                                                          NM,

                                                          You post what you want. If others want to totally yum your yuck, then you yuck right back at them.

                                                          And if you don't have enough yuck, then I've got plenty to spare and share.

                                                          1. re: ipsedixit

                                                            Oh, I have yuck to spare. You haven't begun to see my yuck. You thought it was yuck before? This is gonna make that look like yum.

                                                          2. re: NonnieMuss

                                                            "Don't Yum on My Yuck"

                                                            That's absolutely brilliant! Do you mind if I borrow that? I want to start a thread about the things I hate but where someone always comes in a says no, its great b/c blah, blah, blah. I really would like to start that thread and use your words in the title but I will defer to you. Maybe you can start it? But I love the phrase.

                                                            1. re: Bkeats

                                                              Nonnie's term "Don't Yum on My Yuck" is actually a slightly different spin on the OP (MGZ) first rule;

                                                              "Don't "yuck" someone else's "yum"

                                                              I then believe the proprietary right to that phrase belongs to MGZ. Speaking on behalf of Mr. MGZ Esq. as his Chow business manager I believe we can come to terms on the use of his phrase.

                                                              This will necessitate a one time user's licensing fee, which will allow you to start the thread using this term, and give you full use of the term for 90 days. There will then be a per response fee, for every response to your thread you will have to pay a fee, and a recommend fee for each time someone in the thread recommends a comment in that thread Mr. MGZ Esq. get's paid.

                                                              Have your people contact his people (me) have the papers prepared in triplicate and let's see if we can get this done by the Labor Day weekend because then my fee's go up.

                                                              1. re: jrvedivici

                                                                Don't forget my mechanical royalty payments. I work for scale. Have your people call my people.

                                                                1. re: jrvedivici

                                                                  You have to realize that, for phrases coined on CH, the length of the patent rights are no more than 24 hours before genrics may enter the market. As we can plainly see, Nonnie has produced an "optical isomer" if you will. While MGZ produced "sugar" Nonnie made "Splenda" (and a spendid reverse phrase it is!).

                                                                  So I think, when you carefully look at the IP and applicable patent rules exisiting in CH virtual space, you will find that no licensing fee is due your client. ;-D>

                                                                2. re: Bkeats

                                                                  "Don't Yum on My Yuck ™" was indeed inspired by the immortal phrase, "Don't Yuck on My Yum", which may or may not have been coined by Mr. MGZ. I believe it's a familiar phrase around these here parts, though if Mr. MGZ did indeed coin said phrase, then bully for him, I say. Bully.

                                                                  Feel free to use it any way you like, though if you end up with a similarly titled show on the FN, I will be irritated to the point of voodoo dollism.

                                                                  I would be a frequent contributer to a thread with that title, but I guarantee it will be full of people trying to yum all over you. I've gotten yummed on in here before.

                                                                  1. re: NonnieMuss

                                                                    That's been a mantra here since the earliest days.

                                                                    1. re: MGZ

                                                                      I still say bully for you. Bully!

                                                                    2. re: NonnieMuss

                                                                      I believe don't yuck my yum while quoted by the eminent MGZ is in the open domain. Even if MGZ had the trademark on the phrase, NonnieMuss' change represents fair use. As NonnieMuss has given me permission to use the phrase, I will do so. If it ends up on FN, I will agree to a royalty payment. However, any Cooking Channel use will be royalty free.

                                                                      1. re: Bkeats

                                                                        Just for funs...I checked. TSS shows two active trademarks exist on for profit enterprises using the words don't yuck my yum. Any trademark owner would have the right (and often is the case) to contest similar strings in an effort to NOT confuse the public.

                                                                        Using trademarks without financial gain is a grey area.

                                                                        1. re: HillJ

                                                                          I have not looked to see what the TM is for but depending upon the usage, those TMs could be subject to challenge as its highly unlikely that either created the phrase. I interact with IP lawyers a fair amount in my business. I've had several phrases TM'ed for various businesses so I know way more than I care to about the issues.

                                                                          1. re: Bkeats

                                                                            I did take a look at the TSS listings and since I hold four trademarks myself could easily take this further. But, mostly I was just having some fun...for fun sake.

                                                                      2. re: NonnieMuss

                                                                        (Based on the novel "Push" by Sapphire.)

                                                                        1. re: cookie monster

                                                                          Yeah but sometimes an old product in a new package sells better than the original. I just love the phrase don't yum my yuck.

                                                                          I could also add the spin of what dishes do you dislike that someone is always trying to convince you that you're wrong to dislike it.

                                                                    3. How about: food opinions change. Find a post I made in 2004 and it's highly likely it's not my view in 2013. No need to link it, cause I cop to my opinions and experiences change.
                                                                      Or, use the rules you preach.
                                                                      Or don't use words like "never" "all" "everyone" "we" because all it takes is one CH to find fault with those inclusive words to ruin a point.
                                                                      Or, humor and sarcasm are not the same and don't carry the same understanding in a comment box.
                                                                      Or, why bother with a grudge if you don't really know the CH in RL? The cold shoulder is for children.
                                                                      Or, where's the official rules about how a CH spells, uses grammar or the over use of a comma? Cause the threads waxing on about such important issues in food speak need their own rule!

                                                                      And what the hell happened to the rule about bashing tv hosts? That rule of posting went to hell about two years ago and today some of the most popular threads on Food Media read like TMZ. So rule #1: Rules Change.

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                                                                      1. re: HillJ

                                                                        i actually find the word "we" often used in a bullying fashion around here, as in "we" (a small handful of posters) think something and therefore it is automatically more valid than any opinion that differs.

                                                                        1. re: linus

                                                                          hi linus, I actually find the Flag button a useful tool when necessary. And, a handful of posters on any given topic (especially passionate topics) is bound to result in x, y, z at any given time so I focus on the rest of the larger alphabet to rec' full enjoyment out of the site or a thread.

                                                                          We as in community works for me.

                                                                          1. re: HillJ

                                                                            i'm trying to teach myself to use the flag button more often, but i always feel like a rat when i do.
                                                                            postings on chowhound are not important in the grand scheme of things, so i prefer to discuss and reason through a disagreement.
                                                                            sadly, that doesn't seem allowed very much.

                                                                            1. re: linus

                                                                              If Mods allowed CH's to truly speak directly to each other to clear the air, without deletion the Flag button wouldn't be necessary a good deal of the time. Mods prefer civilized disagreements...imagine that! So when healthy but heated debates or diff's of opinion turns sour, you might find the Flag button useful.

                                                                          2. re: linus

                                                                            Actually linus, I find the Recommend button/feature places an emphasis on the word WE quite clearly.

                                                                            1. re: HillJ

                                                                              not sure what you mean.
                                                                              and, i find the recommend button repugnant.

                                                                              1. re: linus

                                                                                What I mean is that since the Recommend feature began Chowhounds use the button to align their own agree/disagree to a comment made by someone else without necessarily adding a written comment of their own. In so doing are they creating a WE agree/disagree non-verbal statement to a post. I think so.

                                                                                When other people hit the Recommend button to a comment you've made what is your interpretation? Do you notice it? Does it matter?

                                                                                1. re: HillJ

                                                                                  i dont pay attention to the recommend button.
                                                                                  so, no, it doesnt matter to me.

                                                                          3. re: HillJ

                                                                            That, Hill, is pretty much the point of this exercise.

                                                                            Perhaps, you may recall how many times I've pointed out that I'm not really a "rules" guy. I much prefer reason. But, I do like discussion.

                                                                            1. re: MGZ

                                                                              Absolutely (dare I say) true. But if it's exercise you crave...get on a bike MGZ-far more reasonable.

                                                                              1. re: MGZ

                                                                                I just think you should know I flagged this comment. Not because I find it offensive, just because I like f'-ing with you.

                                                                                1. re: jrvedivici

                                                                                  The hound who cried "wolf!" is soon ignored...

                                                                                  1. re: Servorg

                                                                                    Is it really crying wolf, if you yell "WOLF", then when everyone turns and looks you say "no...no....I'm kidding it's just a squire" ?

                                                                                    1. re: jrvedivici

                                                                                      My, Grandma, what big lies you have! (g)

                                                                            2. "Speak to the Chow, not the 'hound."

                                                                              "...a joke, assume the latter..."

                                                                              "Never out a fellow 'hound."

                                                                              "...Never really slam a restaurant after only one visit.)"

                                                                              Matt, I'm offended, that place sucked and I'm never going again!

                                                                              1. After reading all the other posts, I do have one that hasn't been mentioned.

                                                                                Don't post just to tell me how bad carbs/fat/salt/sugar/etc are for me. This isn't a health food site.

                                                                                All in all, Chowhounders are a fun, polite, snarky and clever group. Their creativity and helpfulness in answering recipe issues is boundless. Their command of the English language and historical and popular culture are admirable. It's a good place to unwind at the end of the day.

                                                                                1. Don't jump into a thread solely to correct someone. If you've got something helpful to contribute, cool. Otherwise, don't explain to me what a word means or why my opinion is worthless.

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                                                                                  1. re: Hobbert

                                                                                    Yes, I agree that the post should be helpful, but a post giving an opinion about the chow at a specific place is almost always helpful, IMO. Certainly, I have jumped into a thread just to 'correct someone' (but actually to offer a different opinion) when they've given an out of towner clearly incorrect directions...or, for example,when a poster asked for places to eat on a certain route and was given a recommendation in a town 20 miles each way off of that route, I thought it was worth jumping in just to point out that OP may not have taken geography into account. Similarly, worth jumping in when a poster recommends a place closed on Sunday and the OP asked for recs for a Sunday brunch....

                                                                                    1. re: susancinsf

                                                                                      That sort of correcting is fine. It's specifically helpful and not just an opinion. I was commenting on posters whose sole contribution to a thread is to condescendingly correct the use of a word or term when everyone else in the thread is communicating without an issue.

                                                                                  2. I've got one i don't think has been mentioned and sure needs to be.

                                                                                    If you don't know how to play nice with the other kids you should take your ball and go home.

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                                                                                      1. re: HillJ

                                                                                        Ha! Or maybe it would be acceptable to vote someone off the Island....

                                                                                        1. re: cowgirlinthesand

                                                                                          Now that would make one hell of a tv pitch idea, don't you think?!

                                                                                    1. I'm happy to abide by your rules. Except the drinking and posting is OK, as long as you can live with the consequences.

                                                                                      I wish there could be a moratorium on using the phrase "first world problem". It's used to belittle and doesn't advance any discussion.

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                                                                                      1. re: 512window

                                                                                        I actually think the ability to drink and post on a site such as this is a "first world problem". Could be just me but it seemed like your post is a self fulfilling prophecy!

                                                                                        1. re: jrvedivici

                                                                                          Could be just me but it seems like your post is confirming my point.

                                                                                          Pretty much everything that anyone ever posts on Chowhound is a "first world problem". We all have access to computers after all and time to dither around on a cooking/food discussion site. The only reason that the phrase is used is to belittle the person being replied to.

                                                                                          1. re: 512window

                                                                                            People also use it to describe their own peeves/complaints, to reassure others that they're not taking the problem or themselves too seriously, and to encourage light-hearted discussion. I don't think the phrase is used exclusively to belittle. If you see a poster throwing it around in an mean-spirited way, you can always report their post, but banning the phrase altogether seems extreme.

                                                                                      2. I have another to submit. It can be a hard rule to follow and I offer it in a less tongue in cheek manor than many of the others:

                                                                                        "Try not to let the service affect the taste of the chow." It seems, more often than not, folks are so turned off by the slights they experience that they conclude that the food sucks too. I've had mediocre service, a late plate, unfilled glasses, bitchy server, whatever, but I've also had some damn good food in the same night.

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                                                                                        1. re: MGZ

                                                                                          Food quality and service are too closely entertwined for many people for that to be a "rule." A pet peeve of yours perhaps.

                                                                                          1. re: Samalicious

                                                                                            Are you saying that it is impossible for some folks to accurately taste the food after they have had some service hiccup? Never would have occurred to me. Maybe it is just a peeve, but I sorta figured it's something that one should attempt to look past

                                                                                            1. re: MGZ

                                                                                              it also goes for stellar service and poor food or other kitchen problems reflected in the T.I.P.

                                                                                              it *should* be different, but it's not. the server doing his/her job with a derelict kitchen gets a short T.I.P.

                                                                                              Bourdain, Batali and Ripert discuss briefly:

                                                                                              http://eater.com/archives/2013/07/26/...

                                                                                              1. re: Gastronomos

                                                                                                What is T.I.P.? The servers tip? If so, how much do you reduce the tip for a kitchen problem? More than slight reduction seems harsh and unfair to me.

                                                                                                1. re: Gastronomos

                                                                                                  In that discussion Bourdain clearly says that it is "wrong" to punish waitstaff for kitchen deficiencies. Or did you hear something else?

                                                                                                    1. re: Gastronomos

                                                                                                      Then I guess I'm having trouble squaring that with when you say "...the server doing his/her job with a derelict kitchen gets a short T.I.P" Or am I misunderstanding your point? (which I am completely capable of doing without even breaking a sweat)

                                                                                                      1. re: Servorg

                                                                                                        Now I am seeing you as pointing that out as something that isn't right when it's posted in discussions here on NAF when some hounds use that as an excuse to short the tip. So my "aha!" moment came late. But at least it arrived... (g)

                                                                                                        1. re: Servorg

                                                                                                          I'm with you...I interpreted the post the same way.

                                                                                                        2. re: Servorg

                                                                                                          I was not an English major. So that and spellcheck make it funny.
                                                                                                          Some people might tip a good server less if they don't like the food or if something went wrong in the kitchen. The server is entitled to standard tip and no less in such a case. Bourdain confirms.

                                                                                                          "What do you want me to do,
                                                                                                          to do for you to see you through?
                                                                                                          this is all a dream we dreamed
                                                                                                          one afternoon long ago"

                                                                                                    2. re: Gastronomos

                                                                                                      Punishing the server for the faults of the kitchen is like grounding your son when your daughter breaks curfew. Asshole move. I definitely think the rule should work both ways.

                                                                                                      The original proposal was based on the fact that, to me, this Site is focused on food first. Nothin' I hate more than a review that gives me a paragraph about the looks of a place, followed another that is basically a bunch of bitching about being seated in a bad spot in a not too crowded restaurant and water glasses not being promptly refilled.

                                                                                                      A mention of the eats is then offered almost as an afterthought. "My pork chop was ok, but mostly flavorless. My wife's salmon wasn't very hot."

                                                                                                      1. re: MGZ

                                                                                                        agreed. I read the same posts as you here and elsewhere. same story again and again. let's get to the CHOW!

                                                                                                        "Picture a bright blue ball just spinning, spinning free
                                                                                                        Dizzy with eternity.
                                                                                                        Paint it with a skin of sky, brush in some clouds and sea
                                                                                                        Call it home for you and me.
                                                                                                        A peaceful place or so it looks from space
                                                                                                        A closer look reveals the human race.
                                                                                                        Full of hope, full of grace, is the human face.
                                                                                                        But afraid, we may our home to waste."

                                                                                              2. <Don't judge the food by the server.>

                                                                                                Very tough for me. Not intentionally, but it is very difficult to separate the entire experience.

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                                                                                                1. re: Chemicalkinetics

                                                                                                  But if the food has been sitting under a heat lamp while the server chats with coworkers at the bar, then lands on my table dried out and/or soggy bunned or mostly cold due to lack of a heat lamp, then I kind of have to, i.e. the food was bad because of the server. Not the cook's fault, but still.

                                                                                                  1. re: NonnieMuss

                                                                                                    I think that would be a case where the server yucked your yum! Or as I now call it YYY.

                                                                                                2. Don't post in a thread if you just have some criticism and don't plan to even bother to respond to any part of the OP in a constructive way.

                                                                                                  1. If you'd bothered to do a search you would have seen this topic has already been covered in the following threads:

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                                                                                                    I HATE when people do that. Don't do that.

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                                                                                                    1. re: NonnieMuss

                                                                                                      We'll call you Australopithecus, the missing link.

                                                                                                      1. re: NonnieMuss

                                                                                                        Ugh that's the worst. Assume I've done a search and would like new info. If you think my question is silly and redundant, ok, don't answer.

                                                                                                        1. re: Hobbert

                                                                                                          Providing links to existing posts doesn't equate to thinking your question is silly or redundant. Its simply an effort to be helpful. If you have already done a search, its helpful to let others know that.

                                                                                                          1. re: Hobbert

                                                                                                            But if you don't state you did a search, it's bad to assume you did. Posting links to a treasure trove of info would be a lot more helpful.

                                                                                                            That said, I do think there are polite and non polite ways of posting a reply full of links.

                                                                                                          2. re: NonnieMuss

                                                                                                            I don't think there's anything wrong with offering links to existing posts that help answer the question. More information is better than less and not everyone does a search, or even knows how to do a search.

                                                                                                            1. re: NonnieMuss

                                                                                                              Typically if I see a new post with no replies sinking down the page I'll do exactly that (well, not with more than two links most of the time).

                                                                                                              When that happens it often catches the attention of other hounds who have current, on the ground experiences with whatever was being asked about in the original post and they then reply.

                                                                                                              Why those same folks didn't seem to see that post the first time can be for different reasons. But answering, even with only a link, usually sets off a chain reaction of other posters replying.

                                                                                                              This effect reminds me of my days working as a 19 year old gas station attendant for Chevron back in the day. If one car pulled in to an otherwise empty pump area, that seemed to causes 3 more cars to come in right behind it.

                                                                                                              1. re: NonnieMuss

                                                                                                                Personally, I think posting links is great. The point of the Site is to gain information. If the information is already out there because folks have already taken time to post, why would anyone not want to avail themselves of it? Why reinvent the wheel?

                                                                                                                As to peeves, though, it bothers me when someone takes the time to post links to previous threads or other pertinent information and the OP can't be bothered to read any of it.

                                                                                                                1. re: MGZ

                                                                                                                  Oh, I don't even have a problem with the link posting - it's the attitude. Links are great.

                                                                                                                  1. re: NonnieMuss

                                                                                                                    You can flag these and we'll take a look. Friendly (or at least neutral) backlinking is okay, obnoxious backlinking is something we remove.

                                                                                                                2. re: NonnieMuss

                                                                                                                  I think this can be helpful but sometimes I am annoyed when someone posts a google link to your question. Of course chowhound is not the only source for information and it's helpful to remind people to use google but sometimes it's just abrupt and abrasive.

                                                                                                                  1. re: NonnieMuss

                                                                                                                    That's the worst! It's the height of laziness to always and immediately post the same 5 or 6 links to existing threads any and every time the question for recs is posted.
                                                                                                                    Go out on a limb and have an opinion. It's liberating.

                                                                                                                    1. re: cowgirlinthesand

                                                                                                                      The height of laziness is failing to do a search to see if one's question has already been asked and answered, and expecting other posters to spoon feed recs. I can't see how it's anything but helpful to provide links to existing posts that answer a question.

                                                                                                                      1. re: carolinadawg

                                                                                                                        It's laziness when it's the same poster posting the same tired 5 or 6 or 7 links he/she always posts in response to the same query.
                                                                                                                        Why bother posting at all if not to give your own personal recommendation?
                                                                                                                        And it's definitely not helpful when a poster posts links to joints in other parts of the state, or outside the 50 mile range.
                                                                                                                        jmho

                                                                                                                        And 'spoon feed recs' is a kinda harsh phrase for a board trying to help folks find a great meal.

                                                                                                                        1. re: cowgirlinthesand

                                                                                                                          Your increasingly narrow focus seems to be at odds with a board titled "Site Talk". If you're talking about one specific poster, then that doesn't seem to be a widespread problem. I also don't understand "the 50 mile radius". Is that some sort of standard that is codified somewhere.

                                                                                                                          The comment about "spoon feed" is meant to be viewed from the perspective of a lazy, entitled poster who can't be bothered to do a search, but instead expects someone to provide a customized response just for him/her, when the information already exists. Nothing harsh about it.

                                                                                                                  2. Great thread, lots of laughs and sensible ideas.

                                                                                                                    My rule, or desire for others...
                                                                                                                    If you start a post asking for ideas or recommendations (i.e. where should I eat when I visit such and such), and people take the time to consider your needs and make recommendations, please come back and report your results! Even if you don't try the places recommended, tell us what you did do, don't just drop out of sight.

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                                                                                                                    1. re: L.Nightshade

                                                                                                                      Totally agree on coming back to report. My local board gets a lot of requests for help from people planning to come to town. If the poster is unfamiliar to me I check their profile. If they are a serial requester-not-reporter I just move on. Life is too short, would rather help those who "give back" to the CH community. On the flip side, when people come back and report it gives us all some calibration about how best to help future requesters, as well as being just plain fun to read.

                                                                                                                      1. re: GretchenS

                                                                                                                        I agree that it's nice to hear back and it's the polite thing for the OP to do, but whatever you contribute to the thread becomes available to everyone who visits the site. So even if the OP disappears, your helpful information remains. And when someone else drops into your board with the exact same question a week later, you can just refer them to your previous answer…

                                                                                                                          1. re: DeppityDawg

                                                                                                                            Ah, but you are assuming the next guy comes in and does a search and finds the prior thread. Reads those and then asks succinct questions. I see a few of those.Far more likely to see at least every 2 or 3 days, the latest post that say "I'm coming to town for a week, where should I go to eat?" I've stopped responding to those.

                                                                                                                            1. re: Bkeats

                                                                                                                              I know that most people don't bother to search, or they use the site's suboptimal search function and come up with nothing. Providing a backlink is like doing a search for them. I'm also aware that a lot of people won't bother clicking on the link. But it doesn't take me a whole lot of time or effort, and someone (not necessarily the OP) may eventually find it useful, so I don't mind doing it.

                                                                                                                              1. re: DeppityDawg

                                                                                                                                Just wanted to chime in with a reminder, in case anyone missed it, that we launched a brand new search system on the site 2 weeks ago.

                                                                                                                                We're still fixing things up and making more improvements, but I'm finding it much better than the suboptimal search we had previously!

                                                                                                                                Here's more about search: http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/910525

                                                                                                                      2. Add another rule: if someone pissed in your (generic "you", not you personally, MGZ) cereal this morning, perhaps refrain from posting *at all* that day, since you'll likely read every single post as a personal attack.

                                                                                                                        '-D

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                                                                                                                        1. re: linguafood

                                                                                                                          The Fruit Loops were a bit salty this morning.

                                                                                                                          Kidding aside, your point is certainly solid.