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The Shed, new programming on Food Network

HillJ Jul 18, 2013 02:10 PM


Sneak peek August 4th. Both sit-com & BBQ food show. Interesting..

FN writes:
Meet the First Family of Mississippi Barbecue, the Orrisons. Their wildly popular barbecue joint's earned them fame, fortune, devoted fans and a lot of big toys. But no matter how big their business grows, the boisterous, fun-loving clan insists on running the business as a family. Add in all the colorful employees and regulars and it's obvious: This down-home joint is a real-life sitcom.

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  1. mcf RE: HillJ Jul 18, 2013 02:30 PM

    Sounds like a food version of Pawn Stars. I sure wish the network were about, OH, I dunno... food?

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    1. re: mcf
      HillJ RE: mcf Jul 18, 2013 02:50 PM

      Funny, we were wondering the same thing. We'll see..

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        ipsedixit RE: mcf Jul 18, 2013 08:02 PM

        Just like this site can't be only about "food" the same is true for FN.

        I'm not even sure why there's a presumption that it should be.

        1. re: ipsedixit
          HillJ RE: ipsedixit Jul 18, 2013 08:17 PM

          I'm not clear what the presumptions are let alone why there are any but I do wonder what the folks charged with creating programming are thinking when comment boxes are filled to capacity with suggestions and straight forward requests for the kind of programming they/viewers want.

          The synop. on The Shed as well as the preview running on FN leaves me with the impression that a family known for Q will be acting out their "real life" with a few Q recipes thrown in.

          1. re: HillJ
            ipsedixit RE: HillJ Jul 18, 2013 08:30 PM

            What's wrong with having a food-related show?

            In the same vein, Chowhound has "Not About Food" and this discussion category dedicated to "Food Media and News".

            1. re: ipsedixit
              HillJ RE: ipsedixit Jul 18, 2013 08:36 PM

              I don't recall stating there was anything wrong with The Shed. Not in my OP or in my comments. And, since the show has not aired yet, my "We'll see"...comment to mcf still stands.

              I do also stand by my question about FN programming and the choices. How do they come by those food show ideas?

              But, I have no reply for you in your attempt to compare the Food Network debuting a new show in August with two topical boards on Chowhound. I fail to see a comparison or why you even brought Chowhound's board offerings into a thread about a new FN show.

              Care to enlighten an old dog?

              1. re: HillJ
                ipsedixit RE: HillJ Jul 18, 2013 08:43 PM

                Well, first of all I was replying to mcf and the comment of why the programming couldn't be "about OH, I dunno... food?"

                My point is that there's no reason a channel like FN (in the same way Chow diversifies) to focus only myopically on "food".

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                  HillJ RE: ipsedixit Jul 18, 2013 08:47 PM

                  Ah. Well I will step aside and give mcf room to respond.


          2. re: ipsedixit
            mcf RE: ipsedixit Jul 19, 2013 07:02 AM

            Sure, if they had any worthwhile food/cooking shows there'd be room for more crap. But they don't and I find that I very rarely tune into anything on FN any more.

            1. re: mcf
              ipsedixit RE: mcf Jul 19, 2013 07:19 AM

              That's simply a matter of personal opinion, and for what it's worth FN regularly garners multiple daytime Emmy nominations (something like 10 for 2013), and Guy Fieri was just nominated for a primetime Emmy.

              But even beyond that, what's wrong with diversification? Restaurants like McDonalds do it, Chow does it, auto makers do it, etc.

              Doing just one thing leaves you prone to becoming a niche player, and eventually irrelevant.

              1. re: ipsedixit
                HillJ RE: ipsedixit Jul 19, 2013 07:30 AM

                If I may ips, there is nothing wrong with diversification. Bring it on!

                However, nominations aside, the FN viewers I've read are quoted as asking for more programming.

                However, the # of programs that have come & gone on FN in say the last five years and prior to the launch of the Cooking Channel is also lengthy. Either one season try outs or not renewed and FN's comment boxes are filled with requests for something new and something more; relevant to cooking programs, not reality tv with a food slant.

                1. re: HillJ
                  wyogal RE: HillJ Jul 19, 2013 07:34 AM

                  You are mistaking comments left by viewers for marketing research.

                  1. re: wyogal
                    HillJ RE: wyogal Jul 19, 2013 07:37 AM

                    hi wyogal.
                    No, I'm actually tired of programming folks that ignore their viewer comments.

                    1. re: HillJ
                      wyogal RE: HillJ Jul 19, 2013 07:40 AM

                      " How do they come by those food show ideas? "

                      1. re: wyogal
                        HillJ RE: wyogal Jul 19, 2013 07:57 AM

                        wyogal, Marketing 101 was brand loyalty in my day. Advertisers lived by it. So, my own question remains about how programming on FN is decided today. FN ruled the modern food share for a good long while and has become something new. It tried too many waters in an effort to expand horizons.

                        I'll tune in to The Shed to see what the energy is about.

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                          wyogal RE: HillJ Jul 19, 2013 08:00 AM

                          Have you asked FN how they conduct their market research? Are you thinking you will actually get an answer to that question here?

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                            HillJ RE: wyogal Jul 19, 2013 08:02 AM

                            Have I wasted your time, wyogal. If so, no need to continue. Like I said, I'll give The Shed a go and see if it offers cooking tips on Q. If it's drama of the reality tv variety-good luck FN.

                            1. re: HillJ
                              wyogal RE: HillJ Jul 19, 2013 08:08 AM

                              Just responding to your questions, that's all. No big deal.

                              1. re: wyogal
                                HillJ RE: wyogal Jul 19, 2013 08:15 AM

                                I actually didn't consider market research, you did. And you're right, no big deal.

                                My own curiosity revolves around reader/viewer comments. FN's own website is designed to accept thousands of viewer comments a day-who reads them? What value do they serve? Just a lot of healthy venting?..just like Chowhound, huh. Ah! Light bulb moment.. maybe that's the CH to FN comparison, ips.

                                Admittedly, reality tv as food tv leaves me flat.

                                1. re: HillJ
                                  youareabunny RE: HillJ Jul 19, 2013 02:32 PM

                                  Comments increase view count which increases ad revenue. Just like any other website.

                                  1. re: youareabunny
                                    HillJ RE: youareabunny Jul 19, 2013 03:33 PM

                                    Hi yourab,
                                    I'm not disputing "some" of the numbers. I'm asking what happens to the contributions made in comment form. Does anyone read them at FN or make programming choices based on their audience input?

                                    Just like any other business, not just a website, I wonder how many making the business decisions care about what their audience is asking for.

                                    1. re: HillJ
                                      youareabunny RE: HillJ Jul 19, 2013 04:04 PM

                                      My guess is no. I'd think they'd have more representative samples or panels to help them come up with what to air.

                                      Allowing comments is a very easy way to get view counts up. Arguments further boost that. You think they host thousands of recipes to help us out? In the end it's all ad revenue, just like tv shows and commercials.

                                      1. re: youareabunny
                                        HillJ RE: youareabunny Jul 19, 2013 04:21 PM

                                        My guess is once they did and now they don't. And that is a real shame of business growth. In the beginning you know you need viewers/participants of your product-from all sides, and once you rise to some comfortable level of success-you forget you still need viewers/participants to keep your product going strong.

                                        1. re: HillJ
                                          youareabunny RE: HillJ Jul 19, 2013 04:36 PM

                                          It is a lot of comments to sift through I suppose. Although they did take the time to remove the Kwanzaa cake from their website due, in part, to the comments ;)

                                          Some of my favorite bloggers have changed their layouts to get more clicks. When I used to be able to scroll 5 posts in one page, now each post has 3 lines and then a button that says "click to read more." I understand they need/want those views but I find myself clicking not because I truly want to read but because I need to find out whether or not it's worth reading. Not to mention the fact that each post is separated by an ad, bah.

                                          There's got to be more of a balance between love of the art and profit.

                                          Supposedly the new models for advertisements are flat rate- $500-50,000 for ad placement for whatever length of time. I think this had more to do with payment simplicity than fraudulent view counts (although that's generally an issue for small sites).

                                          1. re: youareabunny
                                            C. Hamster RE: youareabunny Aug 5, 2013 01:17 PM

                                            They may have removed the recipe for the Kwanzaa Kake but there is still a rather spectacular VIDEO of Aunt Sandy kreating the kake.


                                            They did not remove the Star of David kake recipe with the 8 pointed Star of David. It and its cultural insensitivity got a lot of comment, too.


                                          2. re: HillJ
                                            HillJ RE: HillJ Jul 19, 2013 04:40 PM

                                            And there is still more programming to come since the announcement in April.
                                            Good deal of recycled ideas and same old, same old.

                                            I just read that the winner of FN's Giving You the Business has gotten himself an attorney displeased by his actual prize...http://www.thebraiser.com/food-networ...

                                            Okay, I'm too OT on my own OP now ;)

                                          3. re: youareabunny
                                            mcf RE: youareabunny Jul 19, 2013 05:42 PM

                                            They sure pay attention to comments at Bravo and specifically, Top Chef.

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                                              linus RE: mcf Jul 20, 2013 06:34 AM

                                              how do you know?

                                              1. re: linus
                                                HillJ RE: linus Jul 20, 2013 07:03 AM

                                                linus, as one small written example of how the folks @ Bravo listen to their viewers, I recall reading this article:


                                                Bravo viewer suggestions & the "research" for programming decisions does include social media...and comment boxes can be one example of social media tools at work. The article highlights a few ways viewers have impact @ Bravo.

                                                1. re: HillJ
                                                  linus RE: HillJ Jul 20, 2013 08:24 AM

                                                  thanks, hillj.

                                                2. re: linus
                                                  mcf RE: linus Jul 20, 2013 10:09 AM

                                                  Because it's routinely commented on in blogs on bravotv.com by Tom Colicchio and others. And by Andy Cohen, the NBC exec in charge of Bravo.

                                                  1. re: mcf
                                                    HillJ RE: mcf Jul 20, 2013 10:19 AM

                                                    That's very interesting, mcf. I didn't know that and I'll be heading over to the site to do some reading. Thanks.

                                                    1. re: HillJ
                                                      mcf RE: HillJ Jul 20, 2013 10:26 AM

                                                      Remember the TC year with the shooting, ski lift, bicycle and other stupidity? Tom C wrote in his blog that he heard us loud and clear (and bloggers often respond to the tenor of message board contents on Bravo shows) about that and it would not happen again.

                                                      Andy Cohen frequently mentions the viewer comments and reactions on his show, too.

                                                      1. re: mcf
                                                        HillJ RE: mcf Jul 20, 2013 10:29 AM

                                                        I just located Tom's blog and I'll read thru over the weekend while I'm waiting for my crew to arrive, thank you mcf.

                                                        Just on quick glance, Tom's blog and the comments posted appear to reflect the NYT's article about Bravo's perspective on viewer comments. This type of viewer inclusion is what I was looking @ FN and couldn't find any examples.

                                                        1. re: HillJ
                                                          linus RE: HillJ Jul 20, 2013 11:56 AM

                                                          i always take some of these comments with a grain of salt. i bet there's a difference between how much they say they pay attention to viewer comments, etc., and how much they actually do.
                                                          but of course, i have no way of knowing.

                                                        2. re: mcf
                                                          charmedgirl RE: mcf Jul 20, 2013 01:41 PM

                                                          I am on an email list serv for one of those market research companies that very clearly (based on the shows they ask about) services Bravo. Within the past couple months I received a survey about Top Chef, and it specifically asked about whether my enjoyment of the show was increased or decreased based on the inclusion of physical activities in the challenges. The question even included an "e.g." that listing shooting and chiseling things out of ice.

                                                          ... I was not shy in sharing my opinion in that comment box.

                                                          1. re: charmedgirl
                                                            mcf RE: charmedgirl Jul 20, 2013 02:17 PM

                                                            Tom C. said they got the message LOUD AND CLEAR on his blog. So glad. Because they returned to cooking. I think Last Chance Kitchen is a great addition, unlike the stupid gimmicks they used that terrible, awful season.

                                                            Very clear point was made that viewer input led to a change back to cooking, not ice picks and shooting challenges.

                                                            1. re: mcf
                                                              charmedgirl RE: mcf Jul 20, 2013 02:23 PM

                                                              Well, the message might not have been so loud and clear, since they have continued to ask the question in their market research, as recently as the past month or so. Regardless, I was happy to add to the chorus to drive the point home, if it was needed.

                                                              1. re: charmedgirl
                                                                mcf RE: charmedgirl Jul 20, 2013 02:35 PM

                                                                I think loud and clear is exactly what Tom Colicchio may've said, with a promise that it wouldn't happen again.

                                                                1. re: mcf
                                                                  charmedgirl RE: mcf Jul 20, 2013 04:27 PM

                                                                  Yes, mcf, you are completely right, and I am mistaken. Thank you for enlightening me.

                                                                  1. re: charmedgirl
                                                                    mcf RE: charmedgirl Jul 20, 2013 04:34 PM

                                                                    That was snotty enough. :-)

                                                                    My point was that I think those are literally the words he used. And they didn't do a repeat. And that was before the survey you mention.

                                                                    But you can be right all you want, don't make me no nevermind.

                                                                    1. re: mcf
                                                                      charmedgirl RE: mcf Jul 20, 2013 05:00 PM

                                                                      Me neither, which is why I said you were right. :-)

                                                              2. re: mcf
                                                                linus RE: mcf Jul 20, 2013 03:25 PM

                                                                apparently, the new season of top chef masters opens with the contestants sky diving into their first challenge.
                                                                those that opt out are assessed a penalty.

                                              2. re: youareabunny
                                                ipsedixit RE: youareabunny Jul 19, 2013 05:33 PM

                                                Comments increase view count which increases ad revenue. Just like any other website.

                                                I dunno, that might be too glib.

                                                Comments, like many here, may mean that it is part of the Internet consciousness, but that by itself does not translate into eyeballs, and more importantly commentators on online websites are not necessarily the same people who have purchasing power. And it is the people with purchasing power that translate to ad revenue.

                                                So maybe FN has done their due diligence and figured out that there is little correlation between online commentators of their shows and viewers of their shows who actually have purchasing power -- the so-called "silent majority with dispensable income"

                                                1. re: ipsedixit
                                                  HillJ RE: ipsedixit Jul 19, 2013 07:11 PM

                                                  Okay, so follow the money..stop off at FN's merch. shopping area and head over to brand loyalty to a particular FN show or chef and the merchandise they sell through the FN website. Today, purchasing power includes the activity on the Net & the ad venue on a website is a considerable part of the equation. The books, magazine, merch. social media and television shows (just to name a few) support every endeavor to keep the business going. What silent majority?

                                                  And don't forget all the LIC going on ta boot: http://www.kohls.com/kohlsStore/ourbr...

                            2. re: ipsedixit
                              mcf RE: ipsedixit Jul 19, 2013 07:52 AM

                              Matters of personal opinion are a great deal of what's posted here. That was mine. No demand from me that you adopt it.

                              No need to respond to your arguments about stuff I've never said.

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                        rich in stl RE: HillJ Jul 19, 2013 07:20 AM

                        Wasn't/Isn't there on Oprah's network a show about the family behind SWEETIE PIE'S in St Louis. Different type resto but sounds like the same idea.

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                        1. re: rich in stl
                          HillJ RE: rich in stl Jul 19, 2013 07:25 AM

                          Not sure yet, rich-at least until The Shed airs. But I've caught a few episodes of Sweetie Pie and your analogy sounds very plausible. As SP's show went along it became more about the family drama-rama then recipes/food.

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                          dolly52 RE: HillJ Jul 20, 2013 07:59 AM

                          Don't have anything against this type of programs, however, I don't think they are cooking shows. They are more like comedy programs, Beverly Hillibillies, I love Lucy, etc. These are not cooking shows, more just silly everyday nonesene living in famiies

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                            HillJ RE: dolly52 Jul 20, 2013 08:10 AM

                            dolly52, the Net has been covering the FN debut all week!


                            The Orrisons Q joint

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                            karenfinan RE: HillJ Jul 20, 2013 04:14 PM

                            It sounds like it is following in the footsteps of the duck people (don't remember the name) that is a wildly popular reality show.

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                              dolly52 RE: karenfinan Jul 21, 2013 08:12 AM

                              I think that is what I meant, these are more reality shows than actual cooking shows. What the heck, seems that is what people like and I am in the minority. I kinda liked Mexican Made Easy, but am getting tired of Maricela's cleavage.

                              I wish we did have more shows like, Julia Child, ATK, etc.

                              1. re: dolly52
                                HillJ RE: dolly52 Jul 21, 2013 09:49 AM

                                I don't think being in the minority is the entire story. I think being able to package inexpensive programming plays a part.

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                                  JonParker RE: dolly52 Aug 4, 2013 09:12 PM

                                  I never get tired of Marcella's cleavage.

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                                  ennuisans RE: karenfinan Jul 21, 2013 08:35 AM

                                  Duck Dynasty. And they are exactly who I thought of when I saw the commercials.

                                  1. re: ennuisans
                                    HillJ RE: ennuisans Jul 21, 2013 09:47 AM

                                    From what I'm reading, the Orrisons have substantial credentials in the Q business. If that translates to food tv remains the question until next month when the show airs.

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                                  tracytrace RE: HillJ Jul 21, 2013 08:15 PM

                                  I have close family who live in Ocean Springs, and have eaten at The Shed several times. It's not the best barbecue I've ever had, but it's good, and the place is fun. When Hurricane Isaac hit last year, my brother-in-law was heavily involved in organizing relief efforts in OS. He raves to this day about how generous and helpful the whole Shed team and Orrison family were. They fed thousands of people for free, and put in a lot of physical hours as well. That said, I probably won't watch the show because it's just not my type of thing. But I do wish them well.

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                                    tracytrace RE: HillJ Aug 4, 2013 07:12 PM

                                    Oh, dear. I am so embarrassed. I knew better than to watch this show. 12 minutes in, and I just, no, can't do it. I like these people and I like their food, but, just, no.

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                                      chicgail RE: tracytrace Aug 5, 2013 06:05 AM

                                      Sounds like Honey Boo Boo for the FN. Sad. I won't be watching.

                                    2. ennuisans RE: HillJ Aug 4, 2013 08:31 PM

                                      Mama Shed knock you out.

                                      Someone has said this by now, right?

                                      1. Withnail42 RE: HillJ Aug 4, 2013 08:51 PM

                                        I've been there a number of times and the food was excellent. But nothing boisterous overly bizarre wacky or even sitcom like occurred. Nor was there anyone remotely 'colorful' working there.

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                                          rasputina RE: Withnail42 Aug 5, 2013 06:42 AM

                                          I watched the first 10 minutes or so, it seems that these caricatures of the south shows are pretty common on TV at the moment. What I don't know, is if it was their idea play into the stereotype or if it was some yahoo at the networks idea.

                                          They should be embarrassed that they agreed to do it.

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                                            tracytrace RE: rasputina Aug 5, 2013 07:32 AM

                                            I am embarrassed on their behalf. It's a nice place , and a nice family, but this show was just awful.

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                                              Withnail42 RE: rasputina Aug 5, 2013 08:41 AM

                                              I've seen interviews the int family, before this, and they seem like very nice down to earth people.

                                              I guess I'll just have to go and watch the show.

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                                                JonParker RE: Withnail42 Aug 5, 2013 08:50 AM

                                                I haven't seen it either, but I did see Brad on some BBQ competition on FN, and he seemed nice and charismatic, despite an annoying tendency to go "YEEEHAW!" whenever things went his way. He didn't win, but from what I could see the judges really liked his food overall.

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                                            UptownKevin RE: HillJ Aug 5, 2013 08:01 AM

                                            Watched a couple of minutes of their show last night. I truly feel sorry for them. I have heard great things about the restaurant but they're definitely not skilled in the acting department and they're really made to look like goofballs on TV. Sad.

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                                              P Town RE: HillJ Aug 5, 2013 08:26 AM

                                              Wow I think that was the worst thing I've seen on TV. Come on Food Network really.

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                                                INDIANRIVERFL RE: HillJ Aug 5, 2013 09:50 AM

                                                Since I do not have a TV, let alone cable, the show is of no consequence. But having eaten at The Shed outside of Mobile, it was a tasty Que. Worth going back to.

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                                                  Gracie0325 RE: HillJ Aug 5, 2013 11:45 AM

                                                  Awful show. Very boring. The family does not have any acting talent, and should stick to cooking. I have been to The Shed several times. The food is good. None of this craziness goes on. And, they have lots of young workers, so why would the show focus on the 40ish owner who is trying to be the next Jethro Bodine.

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                                                    rasputina RE: Gracie0325 Aug 5, 2013 01:18 PM

                                                    Gosh I think he looks 25 at most. Certainly no where near 40.

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                                                      Gracie0325 RE: rasputina Aug 6, 2013 07:22 AM

                                                      Sorry, he's 35. I overestimated.

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                                                        chloebell RE: Gracie0325 Aug 6, 2013 01:42 PM

                                                        I've been familiar with this restaurant for a long time. I hope this family doesn't act like this 24/7, as it's an embarrassment for the people that live in the South.

                                                        Like Beverly Hillbillies - the rest of America thinks we all act and talk like that.

                                                        The Shed show is horrible. I couldn't watch 10 minutes of it......

                                                        I miss the good shows where they actually COOK and teach.

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