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Lamb that does not smell...like lamb?

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Westy Jul 7, 2013 09:48 AM

My wife said she is willing to try lamb, but....finds the smell of small lamb a bit overpowering. I have heard some lamb is indeed a little less strong smelling, but can't recall which (not sure if it was a geographic or feed difference).

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    Snorkelvik Jul 7, 2013 10:42 AM

    My best advice is to get baby lamb. We have it every Easter and it is delicious! My dad eats anything & everything except lamb, and he can enjoy this meal because there is no lamby smell. Now, where you get butchered baby lamb, I don't know.

    1. chefj Jul 7, 2013 10:45 AM

      I think you will find the New Zealand or Aussie imported lamb will be the mildest.

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        Paprikaboy Jul 7, 2013 11:29 AM

        Would agree on the New Zealand lamb. I like my lamb to properly taste of lamb and am a big fan of mutton also. I find NZ lamb too bland for my taste.

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          chefj Jul 7, 2013 11:32 AM

          They all have their place in my mind(and Kitchen).

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            Harters Jul 7, 2013 03:56 PM

            As Paprikaboy, I'd also look out for young New Zealand lamb. Certainly it's generally the mildest in flavour, so would probably be mildest in smell. It's not a meat I'd ever choose to eat as I much prefer a proper lamby taste. I don't believe I've ever come across Australian lamb so don't know if that might be worth a try.

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              c oliver Jul 7, 2013 04:11 PM

              I just bought a lamb shoulder yesterday from Australia. I live in CA.

          2. re: chefj
            maria lorraine Jul 7, 2013 11:49 AM

            <<New Zealand or Aussie imported lamb will be the mildest.>>

            Disagree. Australian is about the most muttony. Of course, all depends on the producer, breed, etc. Those cryovac packages are pretty skanky when they're first opened. The long time in cryovac and the purge contribute to the muttony flavor.

            The mildest lamb is spring/new/baby lamb. It's light in flavor -- doesn't have that muttony twang.

            After that, Colorado lamb. Sonoma CK lamb. Locally sourced lamb. Seek out fresh lamb that is raised closest to where you are. Call around to get a good source.

            1. re: maria lorraine
              c oliver Jul 7, 2013 11:58 AM

              We just had lamb chops from a Northern NV, all grassfed ranch. THE best lamb we've ever had and now I'm going to buy a whole one from them.

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                maria lorraine Jul 7, 2013 12:05 PM

                Yum. Sounds great.

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                  c oliver Jul 7, 2013 12:44 PM

                  These are the times I remind myself of Northern Nevada's Basque sheepherding heritage. Yum indeed :) Come on up the hill some time. You bring the wine :)

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                    maria lorraine Jul 7, 2013 12:46 PM

                    Deal.

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                jvanderh Jul 7, 2013 01:47 PM

                I have to agree on Australian lamb. I dislike that gamey flavor, and I found almost all lamb I had there to be barely edible.

                1. re: maria lorraine
                  chefj Jul 7, 2013 06:51 PM

                  "Of course, all depends on the producer, breed, etc."
                  And there you have it.
                  Most folks are not buying Lamb from small local producers for BIG bucks. If the OP wants to find locally raised young, grass fed and can afford it may be the mildest. If it is grain finished and contains more fat or is older that may not be the case.
                  I agree that between the N.Z. and Aussie the first will be the mildest due to the grazing and the age. The Australian stuff varies more widely.

              3. JoanN Jul 7, 2013 10:54 AM

                Was just reading the section on lamb in Edward Lee's book, "Smoke & Pickles." He says there are a lot of great lamb producers here in the States and that you should try to find one at a farmers' market near you. He says to look for lamb that has grazed on grass, is hormone free, and has not been penned and that it will be mild and creamy and harbaceous and the complete antithesis of gamey.

                The producer he buys from is https://borderspringsfarm.com/shop/ Pricey. But now that I've read what Lee has to say about it, I'm very eager to try it.

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                  c oliver Jul 7, 2013 12:02 PM

                  Should have read the whole thread before posting :) The ranch I'm going to get mine from is just a local, family run operation so they deal locally. They also sell at our co-op which is where I got the chops we had last night. Frugal Scotsman Bob doesn't care what it costs - he WANTS it! From their website it says it's $150 plus the cut and wrap charge. Sold :)

                2. coll Jul 7, 2013 11:55 AM

                  I almost buy it when it's on sale, so it's not baby and it's not grass fed. I always marinade it Greek style, like a gyro, and everyone seems to love it, regardless of initial trepidations. I use lots of lemon juice and garlic and oregano. Maybe that would help?

                  But I think it's always NZ or Australia, I thought those was supposed to be gamy but now I see I was possibly wrong about that.

                  1. Bada Bing Jul 7, 2013 01:01 PM

                    Sounds like contradictory advice emerging so far. Good luck! I was actually attending a County Fair auction yesterday (in Indiana, USA), and while I asked about the food the young 4-H boy was using for his two lambs, I wish I'd asked more about the lambey-flavor issue.

                    For people who complain about lamb tasting too lambey, I already feel a bit puzzled, but I know I've heard the lambey-phobes insist either that New Zealand, Aussie, or American lamb is their favorite, because of being less lambey.

                    I googled a bit from curiosity, and one line from a fairly legit scholarly source struck me, as they commented on how complicated it is to say anything definitive about lamb taste and consumer preferences:

                    "Research shows that flavor ratings appear to be largely related to the panelist's preference and previous exposure to lamb..."

                    http://www.ansci.wisc.edu/extension-n...

                    The article also notes that no one has yet isolated scientifically what it is that accounts for lambey flavor.

                    And all that still leaves unclear where people can reliably locate the lamb that tastes least like lamb...

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                    1. re: Bada Bing
                      maria lorraine Jul 7, 2013 03:39 PM

                      Golly, don't wish to cast asperions here, but....

                      That's not a good article to use. It's old, it wasn't peer-reviewed.

                      And it appears she didn't read her own citations.

                      Your quote also leads people to believe that the unique flavor of lamb is not understood. It is.

                      It's long been known (nearly 60 years) that the source of lamb flavor is mostly aroma from carbonyl compounds. As to the prevalence or lack of those compounds, they vary by breed, by pasture/silage, by age of the animal, by changes in the reproductive cycle, by many things.

                      More to the point: Lamb farming has entirely changed since that was article was written.

                      If you can gather some current scientific info on the molecular underpinnings of lamb flavor, and the variances by breed, etc., that would be worth reading.

                      1. re: maria lorraine
                        Bada Bing Jul 7, 2013 04:04 PM

                        Actually, I appreciate your concern with sources. It's all too rare on the internet, even in better quality sites like this one. But I want you to respond to let me know more about the basis of your high dudgeon.

                        I was rather casual in my browsing and referencing here. But I am a professor at a research university myself, although not in animal science, and I definitely take sources' claims to authority into account. In this case, I figured that something maintained on a state (WI) agricultural extension website must have some "farm cred." It also cites sources from refereed journals. I called it a "fairly legit" scholarly resource on that basis.

                        On looking further, it appears that this is 2008 transcript from a presentation given by an animal and veterinary science professor from a research university (Clemson). One further caveat: the quotation is actually a citation the author makes to a source from 2000. When did lamb science and farming morph so dramatically? Which source(s) did the author fail to read? (I'm asking seriously, not rhetorically.) It's not my place in the world to promulgate scientific information on molecular underpinnings of flavor.

                        You seem pretty certain, so let us know your basis for resolving the issue into one of "carbonyl compounds." The article that I referenced actually led into the original quotation that I offered with this remark:

                        "Several compounds (branched chain fatty acids, carbonyl compounds, sulfur- containing compounds, lipid oxidation products, phenols, and basic compounds) are believed to impact lamb flavor; however, the specific compound(s) responsible for the characteristic lamb flavor and odor have not been identified."

                        Perhaps I have too much time on my hands if I am replying at this length, but I frankly feel that you are of a mind to dismiss both that author and myself while at the same time not giving better than what you got.

                        I'll probably regret replying later, but here it is.

                        1. re: Bada Bing
                          maria lorraine Jul 7, 2013 08:22 PM

                          Oh, I'm not dismissing you. You used a poor choice of article, that's all. Flavor chemistry has come a long way in the past ten years identifying molecules, or groups of molecules, that create a particular flavor -- that of an apple, a beet, a lamb chop, etc.

                          Lamb farming, in the advent of artisanal foods and the locavore movement, has also brought new smaller producers online, in all parts of the globe. The flavor quality of their lamb -- knowing the huge aversion to gamey, mutton-y lamb -- is mild and delicious.

                          <<High dudgeon>>?? Not in the slightest.

                          1. re: maria lorraine
                            Bada Bing Jul 8, 2013 03:44 AM

                            Good enough. Thanks for replying. I still scratch my head at the idea that recent smaller-scale, locavore trends have taught us much that's new, because those tactics in fact amount to the return of older approaches.

                            I can believe that flavor science has progressed in ten years. A friend of mine does basic enzyme research, and those folks certainly aren't where they were 10 years ago.

                            1. re: maria lorraine
                              Bada Bing Jul 12, 2013 07:54 AM

                              I took some time to investigate what current academic research indicates about lamb flavor. Here is the latest relevant document:

                              Watkins, P.J., et al. "Sheepmeat Flavor and the Effect of Different Feeding Systems : A Review." Journal of Agricultural and Food Chemistry 61.15 (2013): 3561 -3579.

                              If you'd like a pdf file of the article, I can send one. The review actually echoes exactly what Drucker said: scientists are still scratching their heads about the variables affecting lamb flavor. I won't paste in too much here, out of respect for copyright, but here is part of the abstract:

                              "Despite considerable research, there is no consensus on
                              which volatiles are essential for desirable lamb aroma and how they differ compared to other red meats, for example, beef. In contrast, comparatively little work has focused specifically on the nonvolatile taste components of lamb flavor."

                              It's quite striking looking at several articles: there appear to be enough variables in play with lamb flavor--not least of which is subjective variation in what counts as appealing--that scientists have not been able to settle the issue of what it is or how it can be managed in one or another direction.

                              1. re: Bada Bing
                                maria lorraine Jul 12, 2013 12:03 PM

                                Thanks for that. Before I posted earlier, I read that the aromatic/flavor molecules that had been identified as lamb had been differentiated from beef and pork, etc. I'll try to unearth this again.

                      2. lamb_da_calculus Jul 7, 2013 01:56 PM

                        I have heard several different sources attributing that distinctive lamb flavor mostly to the fat rather than the meat, so you might try trimming young lamb well.

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                          firecooked Jul 7, 2013 03:53 PM

                          I'll second this suggestion. I take a leg of lamb, unroll and trim as much fat as possible (I usually end up with 2 or 3 large pieces, plus scraps which I freeze for stew later). I pound the meat, then smear with a mustard/garlic/herb marinade, and let sit overnight.. Then grill it. Have had many lamb haters like it.

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                            mucho gordo Jul 7, 2013 04:03 PM

                            I don't even bother pounding it; just season it and put it on the grill. My other option is to cut in into chunks for lamb curry.
                            What I don't understand is why people buy lamb and want it to taste like something else.

                            1. re: mucho gordo
                              Bada Bing Jul 7, 2013 04:35 PM

                              I wonder at this "buying lamb that's mild" thing, too. But everyone's got their own tastes. Me, I spent some early childhood years in Ankara, Turkey (father in USA Air Force, which had a base there), and I got familiar with flat-out mutton as well as lamb. No lamb that I ever find in the USA, regardless of source, approaches being "too lambey" for me. So I have to observe threads like this with disinterested curiosity.

                              1. re: Bada Bing
                                maria lorraine Jul 7, 2013 08:24 PM

                                New/baby/spring lamb is mild. Almost sweet.

                                1. re: Bada Bing
                                  lamb_da_calculus Jul 7, 2013 09:17 PM

                                  I like lamb more than most people (I like goat and mutton) but I can understand how it's possible to simultaneously like that lamb taste without wanting too much of it. I mean, it's not so weird that many people just like a little jalapeno in their nachos but wouldn't want bird's eye chili, right? Everyone defines excess differently.

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                                    maria lorraine Jul 7, 2013 10:06 PM

                                    And there you have the calculus of lamb.

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                              kitchengardengal Jul 23, 2013 01:54 AM

                              I really like a good flavorful chunk of lamb. A few years back, following a recipe that included trimming every bit of fat and silver skin off the meat first, I found that the lamb lacked flavor.
                              Since then, I've left the trimming till after the lamb is cooked, and enjoyed all the wonderful flavor.

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                              Hecetamom Jul 7, 2013 07:00 PM

                              Big lamb fan here.
                              I buy local grass fed. Anderson Ranch grown about 40 miles from me. It is available in better grocery stores here (Oregon)
                              Strictly speaking it is probably not lamb but young sheep.

                              I think google a local source and try it out. The 'sheepy' flavor is more in the fat so,trim it well.
                              Use some, aromatic seasoning like,garlic and rosemary.

                              Hope it works!

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                                c oliver Jul 7, 2013 07:19 PM

                                I read 'somewhere' recently that "spring lamb" is actually available in the fall. They're born in the spring. And, yeah, I'm getting pretty excited about having one of these wonderful animals to enjoy. And appreciate.

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                                  Harters Jul 8, 2013 02:37 AM

                                  I think it can be confusing about the "spring lamb" thing. Lamb available in the spring will still be 3 - 6 months old so may well be a winter or late autumn birth. Animals born in spring are not going to slaughter until the same age.

                                  I can readily get young or youngish lamb - my current meat supplier is a farm in the next county and I buy through their online facility (beef & porkj as well. With a bit of effort, I can also get mutton, although not that regularly - it's a guy at the farmers market who keeps the occasional sheep for much longer. What I can never get is hogget and I'd really like to find a regular supplier - whenever I've eaten it I've loved it - sort of texture of the younger lamb but getting towards the assertive flavour of mutton.

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                                pippimac Jul 8, 2013 01:34 AM

                                I'm aware I'm from The Land Of Lamb, but surely there's good quality, locally grown lamb?
                                I just can't wrap my brain around the idea that there's not a great local option!

                                1. LMAshton Jul 9, 2013 05:04 PM

                                  About the smell of the lamb...

                                  My Sri Lankan husband, who grew up with everything curried, has told me on numerous occasions that, if meat, whether it be goat or lamb or deer or something else, has too strong of a smell or taste, use pepper or other relatively strong spices to cut down on the strong smell and taste. Which, as it turns out, works great - the goat we get in Sri Lanka tends to have a relatively strong smell and taste. The lamb we got in New Zealand didn't, nor does the lamb we get in Singapore (imported from Australia).

                                  I've also marinated in yoghurt, which also works very well.

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                                    chefj Jul 9, 2013 05:10 PM

                                    Ginger has the same effect

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                                    OElder Jul 12, 2013 07:17 AM

                                    Wow, such spirited responses! It's obviously a personal thing. I am a sheep farmer. I have loved lamb for years. I have been raising & selling our lamb and mutton at farmers markets for 7 years. Every response has tremendous validity. I think some folks must have had a bad experience with a gamey (probably older) overcooked (cause that's the way the "old folks" did) piece of lamb, the #1 WORST thing that can happen to lamb. When that person has had that experience it's hard to change their mind. It's about what the sheep eat, the breed, the age, wool vs hair sheep yadda yadda. Have you ever done a sidexside wine tasting? Well I've done it with lamb, you'd be amazed. There's an obvious change in the meat with age, regardless of breed. In the US many breeders offer grain at some time in the sheeps growth. Not to say there aren't 100% grass fed producers, there are. Thats why WholeFoods only carries NZ and Aussie lamb cause not enough US producers can say 100%. Many of us supplement at some time in their life w/ some grain. Grain feeding in feedlot situations vs a brief period in their life is not the same. So, just as in beef the grain "sweetens" the meat...again, an old timers phrase. Even in beef as the grassfed craze has taken hold folks had to get used to the flavor and cooking it. 100% grassfed has alot of influence. Alot of folks are now raising these "hair" breeds=no wool. Wool is where the lanolin comes from. If you've ever been around lanolin you know this too must have some influence on flavor. So, I'm not going to write a book. Our lamb is stupendous but I am biased. I would suggest you each find a local producer and talk to them. If you don't like the first one try another. Just like any artist...we each have our own approach!

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                                      JoanN Jul 12, 2013 07:22 AM

                                      Thanks for popping in here, OElder. Wonderfully informative.

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                                        coll Jul 12, 2013 07:24 AM

                                        Thanks for this information, straight from the sheeps mouth so to speak!

                                      2. Motosport Jul 12, 2013 07:37 AM

                                        Smell of lamb raw? While it cooks? After it's cooked?
                                        I do not like lamb the way the old folks cook it. Think mint jelly. To me, it's a sin to ruin a nice leg of lamb by baking it to death.
                                        For a holiday feast I buy a leg of lamb, bone it and butterfly it. I marinate it and cook it on the BBQ grill. Brown and crispy on the outside and rare/juicy on the inside.
                                        For smaller meals I'll buy a packaged boneless leg of lamb and prepare the same way.
                                        I also like to grill lamb chops.
                                        One of my favorite sayings: "Lamb, it's never baaaaaaaaad!"

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                                          judybird Jul 12, 2013 12:58 PM

                                          And we've been stuck with the opposite problem - how to find lamb that tastes like lamb, not just generic meat. About 20 years ago we visited New Zealand, did a few home/farm stays, and were fed lamb everywhere we went. We loved it! We later learned that these weren't super-young, but were 1-2 years old, the animal that was saved for the family to eat, while the young (tasteless) ones were exported.

                                          I guess we'll have to go back to NZ one day.

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                                            OElder Jul 12, 2013 02:27 PM

                                            I think if you'd check with your local farmers/farmers markets you'd find what your looking for. Our farm has the selection(s) available all the time.

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                                            DocAMC Jul 30, 2013 05:55 AM

                                            I don't find lamb appealing either - except when my husband makes it this way:
                                            http://www.amazon.com/gp/feature.html...

                                            I bet your wife will enjoy it. The leftovers become more strongly "lamb flavoured", but this is a good way to get her started!

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