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Chateau Loudenne's new Chinese owners planning luxury hotel

zin1953 Jul 3, 2013 06:07 AM


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    collioure RE: zin1953 Jul 3, 2013 03:32 PM

    I'll save y'all from having to look up the location. It looks to be about 15km NNW of St Estephe, so just in Médoc almost directly east of Lesparre-Médoc.

    Heretofore the Chateau has made average wine.

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      collioure RE: zin1953 Jul 4, 2013 01:46 AM

      BTW I don't think the Chinese will be doing their countrymen any favor by attracting them to Médoc. Bordeaux is quite uninteresting.

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        zin1953 RE: collioure Jul 4, 2013 08:20 AM

        To you perhaps . . .

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          collioure RE: zin1953 Jul 4, 2013 10:22 AM

          No, Jason, not just to me.

          You can tour the vineyards on the left bank. Essentially lot of beautiful country estates. The terrain is flat. I did it for a few hours one day and then escaped on the ferry back across the Gironde to Royan.

          Bordeaux is a big port. It is a business center. It is a rather nondescript city with no tall or beautiful buildings.

          The vineyards on the right bank are no great shakes either.

          If you love Bordeaux, a trip through the vineyards may satisfy a longing. I only had one client who wanted to do that. I got him into Ch Palmer as I recall.

          Otherwise there are numerous more rewarding provinces in France to visit, and that’s where I sent many satisfied clients.

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            zin1953 RE: collioure Jul 4, 2013 10:57 AM

            Andy, the thousands of tourists that visit the Bordeaux region every year may disagree with you.

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              collioure RE: zin1953 Jul 4, 2013 11:15 AM

              Well, if it's just thousands, you have proved my point. 80 million tourists come to France every year.

              Here, tell me what they come for.


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                zin1953 RE: collioure Jul 4, 2013 11:52 AM

                See? Can't win. If I had not erased "millions" out of fear you would criticize me for exaggeration, and replaced it with "thousands," you wouldn't have been able to tell me 80 million people come to France annually.

                Personally, I have never been to the region of Bordeaux without *constantly* running into tourists -- Americans, Brits, Germans, Japanese, Chinese, and more.

                Regardless of whether it's "thousands," "tens of thousands," "hundreds of thousands," or "millions," MY point, Andy, is that people visit Bordeaux . . . your claim that it is "quite uninteresting" may indeed be true for you, but I doubt the _______________ (insert number here) of people who visit the Bordeaux region annually would agree.


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                  The Chowhound Team RE: zin1953 Jul 4, 2013 12:20 PM

                  Folks, lets just let this 'Bourdeaux is/isn't boring' discussion go, please -- we can already see it heading way downhill and it's the kind of personal preference thing that's not going to change anyone's mind.

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                    collioure RE: zin1953 Jul 4, 2013 02:13 PM

                    Jason, we're discussing a subject that has to do with wine. It's not a matter of winning and losing. It's a matter of exchanging ideas.

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                  collioure RE: zin1953 Jul 8, 2013 10:19 AM

                  Expert traveler Rick Steves whose “Through the Back Door” programs you see on PBS recommends an itinerary for 22 days in France. He hits all the regions I noted here recently plus the Alps and Champagne. With a little more time he recommends the Basque country but not Bordeaux.

                  His commentary on Bordeaux is to be noted:

                  “Bordeaux must mean "boredom" in some ancient language. If I were offered a free trip to that town, I'd stay home and clean the fridge. Connoisseurs visit for the wine, but Bordeaux wine country and Bordeaux city are as different as night and night soil. There's a wine-tourist information bureau in Bordeaux which, for a price, will bus you out of town into the more interesting wine country nearby. For fine wine country and a delightful look at rural France consider exploring Burgundy, using Beaune as a homebase town. »


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