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Jul 1, 2013 01:25 AM

SANDWICHES - LA Dish of the Month (July 2013)

SANDWICHES - LA Dish of the Month (July 2013)

In a bit of a landslide, the dish of the month for Los Angeles for June 2013 is Sandwiches.

Here's a link to the vote:

The goal is to collectively try as many versions of sandwiches as possible during the month of July. While the tried-and-true (e.g. BLT, Grilled Cheese, Ham, etc.) are all fair game, let's see how intrepid the LA 'Hounds are willing to be in seeking out the most unusual iterations of this classical culinary construction.

So let's start exploring and eating—report back with reviews and photos.

Looking forward to seeing what people find.

Thanks again for participating.

Edited to add: Here's a link to a map aching has created to chart the suggestions in this discussion:

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  1. It's a shame Harry's Deli is closed. Otherwise I would be able to add an excellent angus ribeye sandwich and pulled pork sandwich to DOM.

    Calling A5 Kobe. Any recs for patacon pisao or jibarito con lechon in OC? I'll try to add at least one of these.

    Game on.

    24 Replies
    1. re: Porthos

      Ever been to Ole' Spain Delishop on Macarthur in Santa Ana for Spanish sandwiches?

      1. re: JAB

        Nope. What's good there? How is the paella?

        Also plan on doing Moscow Deli on Harbor at some point and adding a gratuitous plate of dumplings.

        1. re: Porthos

          Sorry, I hoped that you had been.

          1. re: Porthos

            ARE YOU SERIOUS? I can't believe you haven't gone. It's very similar to La Espanola, if you've been there. Paella Tues and Fri at lunch ~12:30, one of the food gems of OC for sure. I like the sandwiches that have peppers on them, I think there's two, I forget their names.

            1. re: BrewNChow

              Never even heard of the place until Sandwich DOM. Another DOM success!

              Regarding the paella, what do you mean by ~12:30. Do they run out quickly or is that when it's ready?

              1. re: BrewNChow

                Here you go. Ole Spain Delishop.

                The Espanola with domestic Serrano, Pamplona chorizo, manchego, piquillo peppers on warm crusty bread. Very good.

                The paella mixta. Tasty. Haven't been to Spain to sample paella yet so I'm not properly calibrated but overall it's tasty and has the little sticky bits from the bottom of the pan JL talks about. They are soft and not crunchy though.

                  1. re: Porthos

                    Porthos, thanks for the great pictures.

                    How much $ for the Sandwich? How much $ for the Paella?

                    1. re: Norm Man

                      Sandwich was around $8. Paella was $9-ish. Paella is a bit pricy since there isn't much meat or seafood in it but it is very tasty.

                    2. re: Porthos

                      "I'm not properly calibrated" - that's one I will have to remember.

                      1. re: Porthos

                        it's entirely possible i reject this notion of "properly calibrated." to paraphrase duke ellington, there's two kinds of food in this world: good and bad.
                        if it was good, it was good, regardless of previous paella experience.

                        1. re: linus

                          Good is all relative. I personally would like to properly calibrate myself and plan on doing so next year. Then I will be better able to judge just *how* good this version is. Currently it is tasty good.

                          1. re: Porthos

                            good is relative to...what, exactly?
                            like the duke said...good/bad.

                            now, if you want to judge it purposely against paella in spain, that's, well, something to do. but i don't understand why you can't judge a dish on its own merits.

                            then again, i could be wrong. let's say you've eaten paella at some joint in l.a. all your life, and really enjoyed it. like, it makes you happy when you eat it.

                            off you go to valencia, and you try the paella there, and you wonder what the fuck you've been eating and loving all these years.
                            i dunno, that situation makes me kinda sad.

                            1. re: linus

                              Good/bad = black/white. If only life were that simple. There are grades and shades of each.

                              Ignorance can be bliss. Enlightenment can be rewarding.

                              1. re: Porthos

                                now hold on just a gol durn minute.

                                how can loving a piece of food be ignorant?

                                the duke wasn't into shades of black and white. his fantasies and tan.

                                1. re: Porthos

                                  "ignorance can be bliss. Enlightenment can be rewarding."

                                  Now THAT is the real quotable phrase from this. I think most of us can reflect on a time in our lives when our food outings were blissful, but unenlightened. I can only speak for myself when I say the enlightened part has been overall more blissful.

                                  Sure, there are certain things I enjoyed before that I sadly can't enjoy the same way now; but the things I enjoy now I enjoy to a higher degree than before.

                                  On topic, tried a couple sandwiches at Lola Gaspar in OC this month, the french dip and the bacon cheeseburger, both were awesome. "The Duke" seal of approval for LG.

                    3. re: JAB

                      The sandwiches are quite good and the paella (Tuesdays and Fridays only) is decent. They often have a good homemade soup as well.

                      1. re: JAB

                        Thanks for reminding me of the terrific bocadillos at La Espanola.

                        1. re: JAB

                          I went today and had the Serrano ham sandwich. The meat and manchego cheese were very good, but I thought the bread overpowered the other ingredients just a bit. The bread was good, if just a tad dry; crusty exterior with a soft interior. It was a fine sandwich, but nothing spectacular.

                          Is there a sandwich that you particularly like there? I will be back to try the paella and other menu items based on all of the good things I've heard about it.

                          1. re: OCSteve

                            Thanks for taking one for the team! Looking forward to hearing about the paella.

                            1. re: Porthos

                              No problem! I agree with you, though. This DtoM would have been a great excuse to spend lots of quality time at Harry's.

                            2. re: OCSteve

                              I normally have the Catalana but sometimes go for the Espanola instead.

                          2. re: Porthos

                            The only jibarito I know of is located in Glendale at a place called Mofongos Comida Caribena.

                            As far as patacon pisao, I have no clue. I was wondering that myself to be Whenever I travel to NY that is one of the first things on my list of things to eat because the Caribean food is just so much more plentiful.

                            But definitely check out MCC for the jibarito con lechon.

                          3. Tortas Sinaloa Santa Ana.

                            Torta Especial: roast leg of pork, ham, cheese, lettuce, tomatoes, pickled onions. $5.39

                            Roast pork is so tender and moist.


                            1. DOM Mistress, is a ground beef patty between a split roll a sandwich?

                              25 Replies
                              1. re: JAB

                                No, its a hamburger, which is a separate category.

                                1. re: jgilbert1000

                                  Hamburger is the contents inside the sandwich, correct?

                                  So a meatball sandwich is not a sandwich?

                                  1. re: A5 KOBE

                                    I think most people would consider a meatball submarine sandwich a sandwich but a burger not a sandwich though a burger is technically a ground beef patty sandwich.

                                    Maybe because no one really calls it a ground beef patty sandwich.

                                        1. re: PeterCC

                                          In my worthless opinion, a patty melt would be a sandwich. It's a very different foodstuff than a hamburger whereby the burger patty, melted american cheese, and browned onions between two slices of griddled rye bread forms a triumpharate of indescribable goodness.

                                          Now get thee to Pann's.

                                          1. re: kevin

                                            Dupar's has a section on the menu called "Hamburger Sandwiches"


                                            Also to note, their patty melt is pretty darn tasty.

                                            1. re: A5 KOBE

                                              What about the "hot cake sandwich" ?

                                                1. re: A5 KOBE

                                                  Damn you.

                                                  Now I'm hungry and I've already brushed my teeth!

                                                  1. re: A5 KOBE

                                                    Now don't you go and make me post a pictorial essay on the golden arches...

                                                    1. re: J.L.

                                                      JL, please do just that.

                                                      I'm much rather see a pictorial essay on McD's especially if it's a part of your own self-styled 10 courser meal there.

                                                      1. re: kevin

                                                        How about written? "The Filet-o-Fish sandwich is a pescetarian's dream. The flaky globally sourced ichthyal protein is skillfully shaped into rectangular form. The maximally processed formage pairs perfectly with the gelatinous tartar sauce..."

                                                        1. re: PeterCC

                                                          Perhaps the greatest compliment that can be paid to Chef Kroc's kitchen is the astonishing consistency of its dishes.

                                                          ... AND the #14 has a room temp shelf life of up to 7 days!

                                                          1. re: J.L.

                                                            7 days ?

                                                            I thought it was 7 years.

                                                            1. re: kevin

                                                              C'mon, after about 7 months it would get kinda gross.

                                                              1. re: nosh

                                                                Probably not as decomposed as you might think...

                                    1. re: JAB

                                      Too bad cuz I had a glorious patty melt today.

                                      1. re: JAB

                                        Folks, can we have a LA 'Hounds agreement that hamburgers should be reserved for it's own category and a possible future DotM?

                                        I think steak sandwiches and patty melts are fair game, but if we start doing hamburgers I think it deplanes the entire category of Sandwiches.


                                        1. re: ipsedixit

                                          Sure but, patty melts should be grouped with burgers.

                                          1. re: JAB

                                            Sure, if one were to just consider the ingredients (e.g. hamburger patty and bread), but it is the *way* that a patty melt is made -- i.e., fried in butter on a frying pan -- that differentiates it from a typical burger.

                                            1. re: ipsedixit

                                              Burgers can be fried in butter in a frying pan. All. The. Time. So does that mean only open faced burgers are sandwiches but those with a top bun cannot be considered a sandwich? It just seems ridiculous. If you want to narrow it, stipulate that in the very beginning at the nominating process. Otherwise, it's fair game as a sandwich.

                                          2. re: ipsedixit

                                            Not unless we also agree to only posting about food we are eating currently in the month, not just a bunch of posts of random sandwiches we ate whenever.....

                                            Otherwise, too bad, I'm counting hamburgers as sandwiches. If you didn't want the category to be so damn broad, you should have stipulated that when it was nominated.

                                          3. B-Mans double ABC burger count?

                                            19 Replies
                                            1. re: A5 KOBE

                                              I'm no DOM master-of-all-I-survey but we should save burger for another month to do it justice. Otherwise you could argue "hotdog" is a sandwich.

                                              Sandwich seems broad enough already.

                                              1. re: Porthos

                                                I agree.

                                                But then comes my next question, do we consider a gyro sandwich a sandwich?

                                                1. re: A5 KOBE

                                                  But then comes my next question, do we consider a gyro sandwich a sandwich?


                                                  1. re: jgilbert1000

                                                    A burger MOST DEFINITELY is a sandwich.....

                                                      1. re: wienermobile

                                                        This is a great metaphysical discussion ... "What is a sandwich?" Or "What is a burger?"

                                                        If a burger is a sandwich, then is a sandwich also a burger? If not, why not?

                                                        All great topics of discussion, but for this DotM can we table that and just agree, for now, that Sandwiches for July be limited to non-burgers?


                                                        1. re: ipsedixit

                                                          So you're going to draw the line with what is technically a sandwich..... But not call out those who are posting about things they ate God knows when? I call foul!

                                                          When you write up the little blurb to start the thread, maybe you should set out the ground rule there, instead of us having to hash out everything once the thread has already started.....

                                                          Hamburger definition from the Food Lovers Companion, third edition: "it consists of a cooked patty of ground beef SANDWICHED between two bread halves, usually in the form of a Hamburger bun."

                                                          What in that description makes a burger not a sandwich?

                                                          1. re: Dirtywextraolives

                                                            Or you can just say "thank you ipse, for providing this forum."

                                                            1. re: Dirtywextraolives

                                                              I am still waiting for the rationale from the people that say a hamburger is not a sandwich.

                                                              Examples of sandwiches

                                                              A hamburger, one of the most popular types of hot sandwiches

                                                              A Reuben sandwich
                                                              The following represent common varieties of American sandwich.[20]
                                                              Cheese sandwich
                                                              Philadelphia cheesesteak
                                                              Club sandwich
                                                              French dip
                                                              Monte Cristo
                                                              Peanut butter and jelly sandwich
                                                              Po' boy
                                                              Sloppy joe
                                                              Submarine sandwich


                                                              1. re: A5 KOBE

                                                                It is not whether a hamburger can be considered a sandwich; I'm sure most will agree it can be.

                                                                The issue is, for the purposes of this Dish of the Month, whether burgers (and dare I say hot dogs) should be included. And I think the answer is no. There are lots of other threads about burgers, and certainly we'll come around to burgers as a focused DotM in the future.

                                                                But for this thread, let's eat and evaluate the huge spectrum of other sandwiches.

                                                                  1. re: nosh

                                                                    I totally agree it should not be included simply because it is an iconic dish and deserves its own DOTM topic. But some here still believe that a burger is not a sandwich.

                                                                    1. re: nosh

                                                                      Concur. Soon, someone will question whether a hotdog (and bun) is a sandwich.

                                                                    2. re: A5 KOBE

                                                                      There is no tablet from Moses, just a general consensus from most people that a hamburger should be its own category.

                                                              2. re: Dirtywextraolives

                                                                I think if you consider a burger to be a "sandwich", then you should forever remove the "burger" as being a separate category.

                                                                Once a burger is a "sandwich" it can never fly as its own "best burger in LA".


                                                                Note: A burger is not a sandwich IMO.

                                                                1. re: SilverlakeGirl

                                                                  Thank you! A burger is not a sandwich. On most menus they have a burger section and a separate
                                                                  sandwich section. Do they call it In N' Out Sandwich?

                                                              3. re: jgilbert1000

                                                                But the place I go to always asks me if I want a plate or a sandwich? They definitely think its a sandwhich

                                                            2. Houston's roast beef dip sandwhich.

                                                              22 Replies
                                                              1. re: jgilbert1000

                                                                ....and Westside Tavern's Lamb Dip & Philippe's The Original Lamb Dip too.

                                                                1. re: wienermobile

                                                                  ...and Portillo's yummy Chicago Italian beef dip (also come in extra large like the one I had on Sunday).

                                                                      1. re: jgilbert1000

                                                                        Buena Park. 2 blocks east of Knott's Berry Farm. Peppers & cheese are extra. Portillo's has one other California location in Moreno Valley.

                                                                    1. re: wienermobile

                                                                      Phillipe's is an LA Institution (and we don't have many of them and they should be preserved) but I don't think the sandwhich is all that fantastic. Its good, but the Houston's roast beef dip is far better.

                                                                      1. re: jgilbert1000

                                                                        at Phillipe's the Lamb Dip is the only way to go. Agree the beef is done better elseware.

                                                                        1. re: jgilbert1000

                                                                          And at about 3x the price, it had better be...

                                                                          But yeah, the lamb dip is the way to go at Philippes. With blue cheese. And a smear of that sinus-blasting horseradish mustard. And a purple egg and baked apple on the side. And a glass of Silver Oak. God bless America.

                                                                          1. re: Bradbury

                                                                            Am I the only one who likes the pork at Philippe's? As I said elsewhere on this thread (I think), I was a lamb dip guy there forever, but switched semi-permanently to pork, it's that good.

                                                                              1. re: PeterCC

                                                                                My Dad always gets the pork. He loves it.

                                                                            1. re: jgilbert1000

                                                                              I was raised going to Phillipe's, so I think nostalgia has made it impossible for me to think one from another place is better...but for the record I've never had Houston's. But I'm still going to say I like Phillipe's better. Mmmm....mouth order---

                                                                              double dipped beef
                                                                              macaroni salad
                                                                              baked apple
                                                                              beer or lemonade

                                                                              And then stopping by the candy stand for a pack of Sen-Sen (which is SO hard to find!)

                                                                              1. re: schrutefarms

                                                                                Is sen sen the flavored toothpicks ????

                                                                                1. re: kevin

                                                                                  No, they're the weird soap-meets-black licorice tasting tiny black squares that come in a little blue and red foil pouch. Definitely an acquired taste!

                                                                                      1. re: schrutefarms


                                                                                        I will have to try it next time at Phillipe's the Original.


                                                                                        1. re: kevin

                                                                                          A little goes a long way. And remember what I said, it's an acquired taste :)

                                                                                          1. re: schrutefarms

                                                                                            I'll probably munch on the whole package after my meal at Phillipe's.

                                                                                    1. re: schrutefarms

                                                                                      I think add some menthol and/or camphor.