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dtm323 Jun 30, 2013 07:49 PM

Can anyone tell me where City Cafe was located on Melrose before it moved to La Brea?

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    Burger Boy RE: dtm323 Jun 30, 2013 07:59 PM

    North side of Melrose, east of La Brea a few blocks, right next to LA Eyeworks.

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      Servorg RE: Burger Boy Jun 30, 2013 09:02 PM

      You've got it too far east. It was east of Fairfax but west of La Brea (between N Vista and N Martel). I ate at at the original Border Grill right after it opened (replacing the original City Cafe after it moved to La Brea and was renamed the CITY Restaurant).

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        mc michael RE: Servorg Jul 1, 2013 01:05 PM

        I think he's got it. I recall wine margaritas at that Border Grill.

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          Burger Boy RE: Servorg Jul 14, 2013 10:44 AM

          That's what I meant. LOL

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          Will Owen RE: Burger Boy Jul 2, 2013 02:04 PM

          It was next to LA Eyeworks because that was the partners' first enterprise, as I remember it. The photographer who shot all the Eyeworks ads, Greg Gorman, had a freebie deal going with City Cafe and then CITY. We'd met him in Nashville and taken him to the Loveless, so when we were next in LA he took us to CITY. That was the first time we'd ever made a meal of appetizers, and it was brilliant. I remember especially the skinned red peppers stuffed with goat cheese - Mrs. O hates sweet peppers, so I got all of them. Yum!

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            dtm323 RE: Burger Boy Jul 3, 2013 07:53 PM

            The replies to this thread have been wonderful. I have a question: what was it about the 80s restaurants that made them so memorable — not that today's aren't, but what made the 80s places amazing?

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              Ernie RE: dtm323 Jul 4, 2013 08:34 AM

              Los Angeles in the 80s was a very cool time. The Olympics were coming and there was a general sense of "New Wave" optimism, forward thinking and a willingness to experiment.

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            yogachik RE: dtm323 Jul 1, 2013 08:06 AM

            Title is misleading. I was all excited to discuss Muse, Tommy Tangs, Bistango, and more

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              dtm323 RE: yogachik Jul 1, 2013 01:42 PM

              Sorry, you're absolutely right! Let's discuss! I loved Tommy Tangs. I didn't move here until 87 though, so I missed out on a lot of great eating. Tell me about everything I missed!

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                john gonzales RE: dtm323 Jul 1, 2013 10:56 PM

                City, Rex, Ma Maison, St. Estephe., 385 North, Chianti/Cucina, L'Orangerie at its peak, L'ermitage, Trumps, west Beach, upstairs at Sushi on Sunset, original Michael's, Citrus.

                I remember Muse fondly. It was quite a cool scene. We'd live it up as kids drinking $10-12 bottles of Piper Sonoma off of their list.

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                  foodiemahoodie RE: john gonzales Jul 2, 2013 01:58 AM

                  Ah the memories!

                  A couple to add - 72 Market St., 7th St. Bistro, Rockenwagner, Rebecca's.

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                    john gonzales RE: foodiemahoodie Jul 2, 2013 08:22 AM

                    Yes, a few more favorites from the era.
                    Rockenwagner became my go to hig-end spot in the later 80s when it was in the Edgemar/Gehry buliding. I just remenisced as I drove by it yesterday. The crab souffle, potato chip napoleon with salmon and caviar, anything with white saparagus, and his bread were all stars.

                    I still make the meatloaf recipe from 72 Market St. which is in the first Silver Palate cookbook.

                    Ahhh, the duckmeat chile relleno at Rebecca's with some damned good (and potent) margs.

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                      Servorg RE: john gonzales Jul 2, 2013 08:27 AM

                      One really important "new comer" to the LA restaurant scene opened its doors in 1982. Spago at 8795 W. Sunset Blvd. came into existence and became a celebrity/star/mover & shaker magnet for the LA "power" dining scene.

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                        john gonzales RE: Servorg Jul 2, 2013 09:05 AM

                        Yep, I didn't include it because Wolf was at Ma Maison and I didn't want to double-dip. I didn't realize that the original Spago opened so early, and would have guessed 85. Remember those crappy plastic chairs they had in their frist few years?
                        I think many people also forget how classic and advanced Michael's was when it first opened. They were doing seasonal, farm-to-table stuff 30+ years ago. Chez Panisse (which just re-opened) blazed the trail but Michael's carved a niche in being a bit more sophisticated.

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                          Thor123 RE: Servorg Jul 2, 2013 10:39 AM

                          The original Spago was one of a kind. Bernard was one of a kind too and pocketed a fortune from patrons vying for the best table. He then opened an ill fated restaurant of his own - the name escapes me. In any event, the original Spago was a unique place and far more hip and fun than the current incarnation.

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                            foodiemahoodie RE: Thor123 Jul 2, 2013 01:39 PM

                            I agree. Had more fun at the old (very noisy) place on Sunset. Loved the spot, the size, everything. I even ended up dating the lovely hostess. Almost committed a felony in the main room. And once got mobbed by paparazzi in the parking lot (which was great, because I was there with someone who was impressed by such things - and in the middle of negotiation.) Turns out they thought I was a member of The Eagles.

                            Except I never really got the food, never understood was so great about it. Much prefer the food at the newer Spago's. (Sorry, haven't been there since remodel and the new menu. BEFORE that.)

                            But yes, the BH location has a middle aged lunch lady feel to the location. Didn't have the hip glamour of the Sunset location - which for some reason has been dormant all these years. What a great location for a restaurant. But why so dead?

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                              Thor123 RE: foodiemahoodie Jul 2, 2013 03:51 PM

                              I think the issue is parking. Parking was always bad there.

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                                john gonzales RE: foodiemahoodie Jul 2, 2013 10:55 PM

                                I'm not sure the style of the original Spago would have lasted. It was cool, but it was not real comfortable. Maybe it needed to be more upper-crust and formal?
                                The BH Spago has been remodeled, with a more modern/chic look. Personally I don't like it a lot. I kind of liked the older school less open style though it did need SOME updating. I also can't stand to think of Waldo the designer as he and I had some real unpleasantries on a home project we both worked on.

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                                  innatestyle RE: john gonzales Oct 13, 2013 02:12 AM

                                  John, As for Ma Maison, do you recall the waiter's races from those days? Ma Maison hosted it. I was really quite full of myself that I was about 19 yrs old but I had that unlisted phone number & could get a table, but then I was treated beautifully by Hernando Courtright at the Beverly Wilshire when I needed suites for guests or clients on short notice. L.A. was a small town.
                                  We could talk about Waldo. Again, I feel I must know you.

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                                john gonzales RE: Thor123 Jul 2, 2013 10:56 PM

                                I think Bernard is a GM at Aureole in Vegas.

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                                  Thor123 RE: Thor123 Jul 3, 2013 09:44 AM

                                  I just remembered Bernard's place. It was Eclipse.

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                                New Trial RE: john gonzales Jul 3, 2013 12:12 AM

                                There was also Splichal's Beverly Hills restaurant, Max au Triangle.

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                                  foodiemahoodie RE: New Trial Jul 3, 2013 01:54 PM

                                  Good one! I could I have forgot? I remember the Lobster Lobster Lobster menu.

                                  Kind of hard to find.

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                                  SB foodie RE: john gonzales Jul 8, 2013 05:12 PM

                                  I loved Rockenwagner when Hans was on Abbott Kinney. The patio was intimate, charming, romantic, and the food was out of this world!

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                                  yogachik RE: foodiemahoodie Jul 2, 2013 08:24 AM

                                  Trumps! I remember Trumps. And City!

                                  West Beach, 72 Market St, Rebecca's, those were all such great restaurants. I remember that 72 Market St had great fried chicken and you'd often find Dudley Moore playing piano.

                                  I have to say, the thai food at Tommy Tangs in those first years was really really good. He introduced thai to LA (1st Chan Dara was open, on Cahuenga, and better, but TT had the hip scene)

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                                    maudies5 RE: yogachik Jul 2, 2013 06:00 PM

                                    Michael Roberts of Trumps was a visionary. We used to go there twice a week. He introduced us to a different way of eating. His food was creative and marvelous. Tony Bill and Leonard Schwartz of 72 Market made homey food cool. "Kiss ass chili, meat loaf and mashed potatoes all great. As a sad post script ,Michael Roberts died young from complications of a form of Lou Gherigs disease. Tony and Leonard closed 72 and opened Maple drive. That venue really never worked. Also, I believe Grill on the Alley was born. First time I ever saw fhe mix of French fries and fried onions. Big shout out to Bob Spivack...another visionary
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                                      foodiemahoodie RE: maudies5 Jul 2, 2013 11:41 PM

                                      Spivak. Knew him way back when he had his first restaurant. It was born around microwave ovens and his dad's creation - Smokey Joe's BBQ.

                                      The place would heat up food in unshielded, high-powered microwaves and serve it on plates. No cooking done on the premises, just heating up. Fine for the ribs and beans , but the sandwiches which were heated up in the microwave? And you'd get that chewy bread?

                                      Wasn't a good idea and it closed. Later he would pull off The Grill and the Daily Grills..

                                      Little known fact about Bob - I believe he competed and won the 100 meter at the Macabbiahn (sp?) games.

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                                        josephnl RE: maudies5 Jul 3, 2013 02:28 PM

                                        God we loved the meat loaf and chili at 72 Market!

                                        Anyone remember The Windsor tucked in behind the Ambassador Hotel? It was a great old traditional spot with professional older waiters who knew how to make a great Caesar salad at the table, and would flame the Duck à l'Orange at the table with Grand Marnier so that the skin was crispy deliciousness. Those days are sadly gone.

                                        ...or the wonderful food at Scandia. These classics are sorely missed.

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                                          mc michael RE: josephnl Jul 3, 2013 02:56 PM

                                          The Windsor was on one side of the street, The Cove on the other side.

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                                            josephnl RE: mc michael Jul 3, 2013 03:52 PM

                                            Yes...I completely forgot about the Cove. Nothing like those spots today...Dan Tana is about as close as you can get.

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                                              judybird RE: josephnl Jul 3, 2013 04:10 PM

                                              Oh, the Cove does bring back memories. I was only in my 20s when a date started taking me there, but that was one place that made one feel like a real grownup. Especially the vodka gimlets.

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                                          innatestyle RE: maudies5 Oct 13, 2013 02:15 AM

                                          I loved 72, loved it, and I love The Grill: Great burgers, great fries, great caesar salad. BUT, you must ask, sotto voce, if they have the sole or the soft shell crab, never on the menu. They're pure heaven.
                                          Oddly my best friend, a 6'4" former model, can eat about four of the kid's sized chicken pot pies - lol!

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                                          VenusCafe RE: yogachik Jul 8, 2013 12:47 PM

                                          Bangkok one introduced me to Thai food in the late 70s, which probably predates both Tommy Tangs ('82), and Chan Dara which opened about 30 years ago. When Thai food came to LA, I thought i'd died and gone to heaven.

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                                        Ernie RE: john gonzales Jul 2, 2013 08:38 PM

                                        Great 80s memories, especially L'Orangerie and Citrus on Melrose. Delicious Ossetra "eggs" and Michel was doing some amazing stuff. Original Patina on Melrose was great too

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                                          Servorg RE: Ernie Jul 2, 2013 08:48 PM

                                          Another place we liked back in the day was La Toque, the Ken Frank place on Sunset. Even though it opened in '79 we didn't start going until 1983 when I came back to LA from working in Saudi for a few years. I think he ran it for something on the order of 15 years. He was a young chef (24 IIRC) when he opened it. It was a small place, but the cooking was large.

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                                            maudies5 RE: Servorg Jul 2, 2013 09:32 PM

                                            La Toque was great. I believe that Ken Frank was one of Michael's original chefs. Ken Frank was the first (as I recall) to offer a full truffle tasting menu, including ice cream. Pretty damn fabulous. Last I heard he was in Napa. Brilliant chef!

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                                              john gonzales RE: maudies5 Jul 2, 2013 10:48 PM

                                              Ken was/is a master with foie gras. He also was the one to give Brooke Williamson her start.

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                                              mc michael RE: Servorg Jul 3, 2013 02:00 PM

                                              It was excellent Too bad he didn't have the financial clout to keep it going.

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                                          VenusCafe RE: dtm323 Jul 9, 2013 10:25 AM

                                          Well, i've been thinking. There were many small places, small, but very good:
                                          Roda Rumet on La Cie, near Melrose, The Melting Pot, where we brought high ladders and shot our senior project, Mediterania up the street, Nowhere Cafe at Erewhon, loved Quinn's for products and snacks, Bono's, La Masia, Mario's, the Bratskeller and Arthur's in Westwood. In a previous post, mentioned my first Thai food at Bangkok One on La Brea. What fun.

                                          In BH, there was Chasen's, La Dulce Vita, Tail of the Cock (ugh), Perino's where, in the '60s, I once had a side of 12 peas for $3.50, Konditori, charming, quaint and impressed NYers, and my fave, Bistro Garden where they treated us to
                                          LA's first 'Chef's Table' and treated us to the 1st tasting menu every time we came in. They just really loved us! The big guns were always upstairs!

                                          In Hollywood and what became WeHo, there was Martoni's, Orion's, Nuclear Nuance, The Carriage House, and Ben Franks. Then there was our main hangout place, where the waiters never stopped bringing us food and sat down with us to talk about their love life... *Fellini's*!
                                          I still remember one waiter giving us a tape of his song "Take a Hike"

                                          On the Westside, Chicago Pizza Works, Stellini's,
                                          Al Penny's was then the only restaurant in CC. Always crowded; we went b/c they were still open at 2AM, a sure deviation from the LA norm.

                                          In SM, there was a restaurant, can't remember the name, we went there often; it was right next to One Life on Main, and really good. Does anyone remember it? Also on Main St, there was the Oar House, a meat market with sawdust and great bar food. Also, The Great American Food and Beverage Co; enormous plates of food brought to you by singing waiters. Also Wildflower on Main, where shooting up in the booths was not uncommon. A restaurant sister, clean and family safe, Earth Wind and Flour is still on Wilshire. Madame Wu's nearby on Wilshire also, and as someone else mentioned, the student's prince of pizza, Barbera's

                                          Loved this era. Some of these places may have been bigger in the'70s, and may not have lasted long into the'80s, but most made it through.

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                                            steamer RE: VenusCafe Aug 28, 2013 10:39 AM

                                            Le Central? It was next next to One Life.

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                                              innatestyle RE: VenusCafe Oct 13, 2013 02:51 AM

                                              Venus, can you or anyone recall the rather Gourmet Health Market that was originally on the south side of the Blue Whale/Pacific Design Center? The decor wasn't bad and the prepared foods were great! I shopped there often, which was silly because of the prices. It was like an upscale Mrs. Gooch's or Whole Foods (which really didn't exist as a chain yet).
                                              THANKS!

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                                                VenusCafe RE: innatestyle Oct 15, 2013 07:16 AM

                                                Think it was called Savory. Or Savory's.
                                                They had the BEST butters ever! And plenty of different brans.

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                                            josephnl RE: yogachik Jul 3, 2013 02:22 PM

                                            Bistango still exists in OC (Irvine), under the same ownership and just as good as the original on La Cienega.

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                                              innatestyle RE: josephnl Oct 13, 2013 02:17 AM

                                              The owner of Vertigo started out as a waiter at Bistango

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                                              bluebandit RE: yogachik Jul 4, 2013 02:53 PM

                                              Loved those places. Here's a great article I ran across a few years ago with a terrific tribute to a lot of them. If anyone's interested in this topic you should give it a read:
                                              http://www.100miles.com/my-restaurant...

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                                                innatestyle RE: yogachik Oct 13, 2013 02:47 AM

                                                Do you recall, does anyone recall a less hip but very happening, busy place on the far west reach of Melrose almost to Doheny? Almost to the now defunct Karl's Market. South side of Melrose, it was very busy at lunch, great soups, great salads, especially great veggie dishes. This is the building where both SMOKE and MURANO were located.

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                                                  New Trial RE: innatestyle Oct 13, 2013 06:50 PM

                                                  You might be thinking of Cafe Figaro--a mainstay in the area at the time.

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                                                    innatestyle RE: New Trial Oct 13, 2013 07:47 PM

                                                    I am indeed - Cafe Figaro. Thank you New Trial! I had the funniest experience there once. The waitress took forever to get to our table, then rushed up breathless exclaiming that she was so sorry but "knew" we'd understand, you see "her agent" was at another table so they had to talk business. lol, we asked for a different server.
                                                    But it was a mainstay, not about cuisine, about energy and location. Thanks again New Trial!

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                                                      New Trial RE: innatestyle Oct 13, 2013 08:02 PM

                                                      I wonder if her agent left her a 10% tip.

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                                                        innatestyle RE: New Trial Oct 13, 2013 08:39 PM

                                                        Brilliant! He no doubt arranged a starring part on the Gong Show before she returned to Des Moines to marry the son of the local Buick dealer - and that 10% tip!

                                              2. Gypsy Jan RE: dtm323 Jul 1, 2013 09:22 AM

                                                How about Tamayo Restaurant and the Russian restaurant downtown whose name I can't remember, which I would bet was the first craft brew pub in LA.

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                                                  FranklinJefferson RE: Gypsy Jan Jul 1, 2013 10:48 AM

                                                  Think you're referring to Gorky's...

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                                                    Gypsy Jan RE: FranklinJefferson Jul 1, 2013 10:54 AM

                                                    Yes! Thank you.

                                                    All those progressive workers murals on the walls in that very basic industrial space.

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                                                      LAgirl2 RE: FranklinJefferson Jul 3, 2013 06:39 PM

                                                      Gorky's was great! I lived downtown in a loft for a couple of years in the mid-80's (the very beginnings of the "arts district"). There weren't many places to eat and hang out, but lots of other artists went to Gorky's, the Atomic Cafe, Suehiro, Al's Bar and almost next to Gorky's---Vickmans.

                                                      Vickmans was great for breakfast---sitting at the long tables with factory workers, produce & flower people, truckers. The coffee came in those glass carafes. During Thanksgiving time, the tables would be loaded up with pies waiting for people to pick up their orders.

                                                      Does anybody remember the name of the last Italian deli on Ord street in Chinatown? Sawdust on the floors, celeb pics on the walls and GREAT sandwiches. The Italian sub came with their house Italian dressing that they called "jungle juice"? I loved that place!

                                                      A friend gave me a Gorky's beer coaster recently that he had saved all these years. I have it proudly on my fridge!

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                                                        Ernie RE: LAgirl2 Jul 4, 2013 11:40 AM

                                                        Gorky's was a lot of fun after a night at Al's Bar, Obituary, etc. Good times!

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                                                          kevin RE: LAgirl2 Jul 6, 2013 02:30 PM

                                                          Jungle juice ?

                                                          Can you please describe further ?

                                                          Thanks.

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                                                            LAgirl2 RE: kevin Jul 7, 2013 03:22 PM

                                                            my best recollection (this was at least 25yrs ago)---probably red wine vinegar, olive oil, salt and pepper. but the quality and proportions of those ingredients were great. they also made a killer meatball sub. very long lines during lunch.

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                                                            VenusCafe RE: LAgirl2 Jul 8, 2013 12:33 PM

                                                            We were in an artist loft in the early 80s. Were Maggie and Steve your landlords? When we left we paid our existing bill with a piece of our art work.

                                                            Gorky's was definitely fun, Als and the Atomic Cafe also, but after we were there for a long enough time (4 years) we were DELIGHTED to have Cocola's, with the art of Angus Chamberlain dominating the bar AND offering a much needed high end eatery that was really fun to have.

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                                                              kevin RE: VenusCafe Jul 8, 2013 01:39 PM

                                                              was this in downtown LA in the 80s ????

                                                              i still really miss 410 Boyd St

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                                                                VenusCafe RE: kevin Jul 10, 2013 12:58 PM

                                                                Cocolas was DTLA in the mid eighties, for lofties, a mirage and an oasis.

                                                                http://articles.latimes.com/1988-02-1...

                                                                When was 410 Boyd closed? Actually when did it open?

                                                                The only other Boyd St i can think of is Roark's Art Supply, now gone, but DTLA has many art stores now.

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                                                                LAgirl2 RE: VenusCafe Jul 8, 2013 01:58 PM

                                                                We lived in the Globe Tire Bldg which is on Olympic between Mateo and Santa Fe across from the fire station.

                                                                I forgot about Cocolas!

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                                                                  VenusCafe RE: LAgirl2 Jul 10, 2013 01:08 PM

                                                                  We overlooked the 4th St Bridge, five year leases on each of 18 units for artists that had to be renovated for individuals to work and live.

                                                                  Each just came with a bathroom; some of our buds almost blew us up installing gas in order to cook!

                                                                  Most of us were too poor to eat anywhere but at home during the first year.

                                                                  BIG shake up during the Whittier quake in '87! Our Dobie, Ebony Mahalo Chicago went missing, but found quaking in
                                                                  an upstairs bathroom.

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                                                                    kevin RE: VenusCafe Jul 10, 2013 01:10 PM

                                                                    i didn't even know there was an artist's district in downtown LA in the early 80s.

                                                                    you guys were truly on the forefront.

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                                                                      VenusCafe RE: kevin Jul 11, 2013 06:32 PM

                                                                      You are right, Kevin, b/c it didn't become an art district until everyone started moving into more of the area's buildings, circa '85.

                                                                      We negotiated our unit in '82; but it wasn't completed until '83,
                                                                      and it was still pretty raw!
                                                                      It included a special deal for the owners/builders who renovated it, if it included a living space in each of the 18 units; this gave them a BIG discount and a BIG tax break.

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                                                                      JAB RE: VenusCafe Jul 10, 2013 01:17 PM

                                                                      No more poor starving artists in the Arts District.

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                                                                        LAgirl2 RE: JAB Jul 11, 2013 06:36 PM

                                                                        yes---no more starving artists in the arts district. when our lease was up (maybe '86) the owner of our building wanted to triple our rent because of all the work we did to the raw space. "look at this beautiful place, how can you walk away from it"? my ex said "watch me, i'm not paying that type of rent". we ended up moving to silver lake (pre hipsters)

                                                                        @ VC--yes, we only had a bathroom w/ a toilet and sink---the shower was shared by everybody in the building. FREEZING in the winter!

                                                                        we were broke also--but would scrape up coins in leaner times and pick up food @ tacos michoacan (or is it carnitas michoacan?) and at any of the taco trucks or stands around the hood.

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                                                                          VenusCafe RE: LAgirl2 Jul 11, 2013 09:22 PM

                                                                          Never ate from the food trucks! But learned to make a pretty fine meal for 12-14 using a double hot plate and a Krups! Seriously good eats.
                                                                          Our lease was net net net; every week we had someone from the city, the county or the state come in to tell us we had to pay more taxes based upon our improvements and work we did! The entire thing became too unwieldy. I could definitely share a few incredibly rich, complex, humorous, sad, crazy, unique, ironic, weird, tough stories...well i'm sure you know.
                                                                          It was one of my favorite times ever.
                                                                          We all moved into our lofts the same weekend.
                                                                          We bonded. We played. We created.
                                                                          ~We even played basketball every Friday at the live exhibit court provided by the Temporary Contemporary.
                                                                          Now that's interactive!

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                                                                  Sam D. RE: LAgirl2 Aug 26, 2013 03:33 AM

                                                                  "Does anybody remember the name of the last Italian deli on Ord street in Chinatown?"

                                                                  That would have been Dario's. And you're right about their great sandwiches. A few doors west there was another sandwich place at the S/E corner of Ord & Hill called Stottlemeyer's.

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                                                                    mc michael RE: Sam D. Aug 26, 2013 06:07 PM

                                                                    Stottlemeyer's was a chain.

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                                                                      LAgirl2 RE: Sam D. Aug 27, 2013 03:50 PM

                                                                      yes! Good call Sam---it WAS Dario's (I've been wracking my brain on that one). Too bad they're not still around.

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                                                                        SilverlakeGirl RE: Sam D. Aug 27, 2013 09:57 PM

                                                                        How about Yee Mee Loo on Ord and their famous Chinese Tacos! Early fusion.

                                                                        Of course their bar and the famous juke box which supposedly still exists.

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                                                                        KCAL8 RE: LAgirl2 May 15, 2014 11:03 AM

                                                                        Dario's ...jungle juice olive oil vinegar chopped garlic onion probably oregano....it was a great place.....

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                                                                      innatestyle RE: Gypsy Jan Oct 13, 2013 01:06 AM

                                                                      The woman who owned Gorky's lives downtown, I believe in those condos across from Disney Hall. What I'd like, pretty please, is her recipe for Lentil Salad. I came in from Santa Monica for Gorky's, Al's, the Atomic and Madame Wong's for the music.
                                                                      Downtown had it's "fifteen minutes" and frankly so did most of L.A. in the eighties. It was great.

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                                                                        Gypsy Jan RE: innatestyle Oct 13, 2013 12:59 PM

                                                                        Weelllll..I think this is the recipe (or at least it is pretty close). I got it from a lady there some night back in the day.

                                                                        My recall is a little foggy (hey, it was late night in a bar, ya know), but I do remember that red lentils, apricots and honey were essential ingredients:

                                                                        Ingredients:

                                                                        3 tablespoons oil
                                                                        1 large onion, chopped
                                                                        2 cloves garlic, chopped
                                                                        1/3 cup dried apricots, chopped
                                                                        1-1/2 cup dried split red lentils, rinsed
                                                                        5 cups of stock
                                                                        2 Tablespoons fresh lemon juice
                                                                        3 ripe plum tomatoes, peeled, seeded and chopped
                                                                        1/2 tsp. ground cumin
                                                                        1/2 tsp. dried thyme
                                                                        Salt and pepper and honey, to taste

                                                                        Chop the garlic & onions.

                                                                        Clean lentils being sure to remove any small pebbles.

                                                                        In a pot, heat the oil over medium heat. Add the onion, garlic, and dried apricots. Sauté until the onion is translucent, about 12 minutes.

                                                                        Add lentils to the stock. Bring to a boil, then reduce the heat and simmer, covered, until the lentils are tender, about 30 minutes.

                                                                        Stir in tomatoes, cumin, thyme, and salt, pepper and honey. Simmer, covered for another 10 minutes.

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                                                                      MarkC RE: dtm323 Jul 2, 2013 08:46 AM

                                                                      I guess people get more emotional over the James Deans of the restaurant world, that flame out early. This one is definitely a Norma Desmond - Kate Mantilini - which remains unfashionably in existence.

                                                                      Can you think of other places from that period that have lost their youth, and no one wants to know anymore?

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                                                                        jesstifer RE: MarkC Oct 16, 2013 01:19 AM

                                                                        Chez Nous in Toluca Lake.

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                                                                        Thor123 RE: dtm323 Jul 2, 2013 10:47 AM

                                                                        Does anyone recall a small Italian place in or around Beverly Hills called Franscotti? They had a great thin delicate pizza I can still taste. Of course the best pizza of that or any generation was La Barbaras in West LA!

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                                                                          mc michael RE: Thor123 Jul 2, 2013 04:22 PM

                                                                          La Barbara's was good. And gooey. Somewhat comparable is Domenico's at various locations in the SGV at various times.

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                                                                            wienermobile RE: Thor123 Jul 2, 2013 06:06 PM

                                                                            Boy do I miss La Barbara's Pizza. For me it was my second home and the best pizza in LA. Loved their sausage toping.

                                                                            ..and for some reason they are listed on Yelp?
                                                                            http://www.yelp.com/biz/la-barberas-o...

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                                                                              mc michael RE: wienermobile Jul 3, 2013 02:03 PM

                                                                              There was some sort of seed in the sausage. I don't know: anise? coriander?

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                                                                                wienermobile RE: mc michael Jul 3, 2013 02:26 PM

                                                                                I remember lots of fennel seed. Sure was good and cheap.

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                                                                                  mc michael RE: wienermobile Jul 3, 2013 02:55 PM

                                                                                  That sounds right.

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                                                                              maudies5 RE: Thor123 Jul 3, 2013 08:27 AM

                                                                              You may be thinking of Frascati, which was on Wilshire in Beverly Hills. I don't remember their pizza but do remember they made the best Monte Christo sandwich. The also had a location in Santa monica

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                                                                                Thor123 RE: maudies5 Jul 3, 2013 09:41 AM

                                                                                That was it. Thanks. My aunt used to take me there as a kid.

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                                                                                josephnl RE: Thor123 Jul 3, 2013 02:19 PM

                                                                                Of course. When I lived in WLA while studying at UCLA (in the late 60's), it was our go to spot for good pizza. By today's standards of Sotto and Mozza, it would likely be 2nd rate, but in those days we loved it!

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                                                                                  condiment RE: Thor123 Jul 4, 2013 02:17 PM

                                                                                  Do you mean Frascati Grill on La Cienega? (There was one on the Sunset Strip at one time.) I think it was technically Belgian, but they lost menu discipline...

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                                                                                    judybird RE: condiment Jul 5, 2013 01:43 PM

                                                                                    Seems to me there was more than one Frascati and they had slightly different names and menus: Frascati Grill, Frascati Cafe, maybe one or two more.

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                                                                                      judybird RE: condiment Jul 5, 2013 01:44 PM

                                                                                      Monty's in Pasadena closed at least a year ago.

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                                                                                        mc michael RE: judybird Jul 6, 2013 10:25 AM

                                                                                        All that's left is the sign. The last remaining Monty's is in Woodland Hills.

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                                                                                      kevin RE: Thor123 Jul 6, 2013 02:31 PM

                                                                                      Any still in this style of la Barbara's and Fracati that are still around ?

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                                                                                      dtm323 RE: dtm323 Jul 2, 2013 08:00 PM

                                                                                      This has turned into such a cool, wonderful thread! Thanks everyone. Serendipity is a fabulous thing.

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                                                                                        john gonzales RE: dtm323 Jul 2, 2013 11:00 PM

                                                                                        Remeniscing makes me miss some of the old, more serious dining spots. I love to see some of the adventurous cuisine at the gasto-pub/bistro places that are the vogue these days. But the proliferation of that style has led to a dearth of more formal eating. Meaning less crammed, less noisy, nice table settings, deep winelists, and excellent service.

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                                                                                        foodiemahoodie RE: dtm323 Jul 3, 2013 03:56 PM

                                                                                        Ah...here's one - and a great one at that: Le Petite Chaya.

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                                                                                          condiment RE: foodiemahoodie Jul 4, 2013 02:23 PM

                                                                                          I once had a tasting menu there that included five buerre blanc sauces in a row. '80s Japanese-French food was a specific thing.

                                                                                          Speaking of which, I just heard from Ishi of Ishi's Grill, the best of the '80s Japanese-French places in my estimation. (He also founded the late Sawtelle Kitchen.) He's back in Japan now . . . cooking California cuisine.

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                                                                                            kevin RE: condiment Jul 6, 2013 02:32 PM

                                                                                            How about Cafe Blanc and the original chefs wares of Sawtelle Kitchen fame ?

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                                                                                              Servorg RE: kevin Jul 8, 2013 06:01 PM

                                                                                              Nice write up on Cafe Blanc http://articles.latimes.com/2001/sep/... and Tommy Harase from back in the day in the L.A. Times.

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                                                                                          foodiemahoodie RE: dtm323 Jul 3, 2013 03:56 PM

                                                                                          Chaya in WeHo was around the '8o's too and still going strong. Still looks great.

                                                                                          1. perk RE: dtm323 Jul 3, 2013 04:06 PM

                                                                                            Rangoon Racquet Club. Was that still around in the 80s? Or am I having a senior moment and thinking of the 70s?

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                                                                                              maudies5 RE: perk Jul 3, 2013 04:52 PM

                                                                                              I think it was the seventies. On Little Santa Monica? I think it was the first restaurant to serve those delicious desserts from La Mousse. ANother restaurant which was popular was Jimmy's next to Century City. I only recall the great Caesar salad and crazy strong drinks.

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                                                                                                Thor123 RE: maudies5 Jul 4, 2013 09:58 AM

                                                                                                Jimmy's was an institution. Very elegant. Many a special events there.

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                                                                                              maudies5 RE: dtm323 Jul 3, 2013 04:57 PM

                                                                                              I loved Chianti, which was just across the street on Melrose. It was a very romantic restaurant which served old school Italian food. Oh, just had a memory of their Fried Cream.

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                                                                                                foodiemahoodie RE: maudies5 Jul 3, 2013 05:04 PM

                                                                                                Great memories - was my "first date" restaurant. (that or the first Border Grill).

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                                                                                                  maudies5 RE: foodiemahoodie Jul 3, 2013 07:55 PM

                                                                                                  Chianti evokes so many romantic memories. I think it tanked when Jerry Magnin took over. Makes me sick that it is now the site of The Village Idiot.

                                                                                              2. wienermobile RE: dtm323 Jul 3, 2013 05:22 PM

                                                                                                Victoria Station Universal City. Take the funicular up and you were at the busiest restaurant in LA at the time. I was at many a wild party there including the Blues Brothers & Frank Sinatra.

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                                                                                                  Servorg RE: wienermobile Jul 3, 2013 05:28 PM

                                                                                                  Now you went and made me think of the Velvet Turtle on Sawtelle. We went at least once a month and mostly ordered the individual Beef Wellington with the Duchess potatoes and the salad with Green Goddess dressing.

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                                                                                                    josephnl RE: Servorg Jul 3, 2013 07:19 PM

                                                                                                    Yes...and they had terrific cold cucumber soup in the summer. Bur you're right, they beef wellington was delicious!

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                                                                                                      foodiemahoodie RE: Servorg Jul 3, 2013 09:19 PM

                                                                                                      Hah! I forgot where it was. But that's precisely what I ordered when I went there.

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                                                                                                        Thor123 RE: Servorg Jul 4, 2013 12:43 PM

                                                                                                        Wasn't it a bit like Hungry Tiger in Westwood? Monty's was a true Westwood classic back then.

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                                                                                                          Servorg RE: Thor123 Jul 4, 2013 12:51 PM

                                                                                                          i would liken it to the old Charlie Brown's chain for lack of a better example. Very corporate comfortable interior. Not cutting edge or challenging, but a nice night out for a fair price and the service was good.

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                                                                                                            josephnl RE: Thor123 Jul 4, 2013 01:02 PM

                                                                                                            We used to love the spare ribs at Monty's. is there still a Monty's in Pasadena

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                                                                                                              Servorg RE: josephnl Jul 4, 2013 01:10 PM

                                                                                                              I think the last one is in Woodland Hills http://montysprimesteakandseafood.com/

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                                                                                                                Thor123 RE: Servorg Jul 4, 2013 01:16 PM

                                                                                                                It is. Friend had a 50th there a couple of years ago. Ribs are still good and kind of unique. Not real saucy, with a nice rub.

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                                                                                                            kevin RE: Servorg Jul 6, 2013 02:34 PM

                                                                                                            There's still a sign heralding The Velvet Turtle in Chinatown near Hill Street.

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                                                                                                              TripleAxel RE: kevin Aug 27, 2013 02:32 PM

                                                                                                              The building is still there, decaying for decades. Does anyone know who owns the property and why hasn't it been sold so that someone can build over that eyesore? I also remember the Velvet Turtle in West LA, across the street to the north of Best Buys on Sawtelle...

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                                                                                                            chuck RE: wienermobile Jul 5, 2013 05:15 PM

                                                                                                            My family was going to Victoria Station once for a birthday and were in the funicular when it got stuck about half way up. The fire department had to come adn pry the doors open and use a ladder to get us out. Everyone in the car got a free dinner that night. We also used to go to the Velvet Turtle both on Sawtelle and on Victory Blvd at Owensmouth.

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                                                                                                            yogachik RE: dtm323 Jul 3, 2013 05:54 PM

                                                                                                            Remember Prado on Larchmont? Or, the first Cha Cha Cha over near Vermont? And then there's my all time favorite, but creeping into the 90s, The Olive.

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                                                                                                              New Trial RE: yogachik Jul 4, 2013 01:20 AM

                                                                                                              Prado is still there.

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                                                                                                                kevin RE: New Trial Jul 6, 2013 02:36 PM

                                                                                                                What was the name of that French style cafe, with breakfast ad lunch, served at a Ushaped counter that was on Larchmont near Prado ?

                                                                                                                What was the name of the joint ?

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                                                                                                                  ciaolette RE: kevin Aug 25, 2013 09:34 PM

                                                                                                                  La Chapeau ?

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                                                                                                                LAgirl2 RE: yogachik Jul 7, 2013 03:23 PM

                                                                                                                Cha Cha Cha is still there too---although a shadow of it's former self.

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                                                                                                                  mwynn13 RE: LAgirl2 Dec 31, 2013 12:06 PM

                                                                                                                  Yeah, but the food is good as always and comparatively inexpensive. I didn't go in its heyday- too trendy/crowded/hipstery- but nowadays, it's "just" a neighborhood institution that's been there for 30-odd years.

                                                                                                              3. perk RE: dtm323 Jul 3, 2013 08:38 PM

                                                                                                                Yes....people do seem sentimental about restaurants from that time period. Part of that is probably just fond memories. But I also think there weren't as many new, interesting places opening up. So when one did....it became a really big deal.
                                                                                                                Agree?

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                                                                                                                  josephnl RE: perk Jul 3, 2013 09:02 PM

                                                                                                                  Not really. Fine restaurants 30 years ago offered an experience that is sadly rarely available in even in the better of the the new restaurants opening today. Among the things that I personally miss most are: quiet ambiance in which speaking in normal conversational tones is possible, professional waiters/waitresses whose life work was serving customers, nice linen, crystal and silverware, excellent food without a policy of "special requests respectfully declined", the absence of cell phones and flash cameras at every table (bringing a corded phone over to the table was a novelty at a few spots in Beverly Hills...but was never a nuisance), patrons at better restaurants dressing appropriately, etc., etc. Of course I realize that I'm dating myself, nevertheless I miss these things, and I know that I'm not alone.

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                                                                                                                    brandygirl RE: josephnl Aug 26, 2013 05:08 PM

                                                                                                                    You said it well. But I also miss the food. It's true that we have some great restaurants with exciting choices on the menu, but it's hard-to-impossible to find the old classics, like lobster thermidore, orange duck, steak diane, vichyssoise, crepe suzette...

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                                                                                                                      Servorg RE: brandygirl Aug 26, 2013 05:15 PM

                                                                                                                      Everyone of your "hard-to-impossible to find" dishes are on the menu http://www.dalrae.com/wp-content/uplo... at the Dal Rae http://www.dalrae.com/ in Pico Rivera:

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                                                                                                                        brandygirl RE: Servorg Aug 26, 2013 05:24 PM

                                                                                                                        True, but the restaurant is quite a drive from Northridge. Also, the restaurants we went to in L.A. were better.

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                                                                                                                          Servorg RE: brandygirl Aug 26, 2013 05:27 PM

                                                                                                                          The first point I'll agree with, but not the second.

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                                                                                                                            brandygirl RE: Servorg Aug 26, 2013 11:15 PM

                                                                                                                            I'm not saying Dal Rey is bad, but it's not as good as the old Robaire's, Papa Choux, Chasens, Brown Derby, Scandia, etc.

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                                                                                                                        rcmcnabb2 RE: brandygirl Aug 26, 2013 05:18 PM

                                                                                                                        Reading your list of old classics makes my stomach rumble!

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                                                                                                                      foodiemahoodie RE: perk Jul 3, 2013 09:24 PM

                                                                                                                      I agree. More interesting places now. The fine dining experience has been brought to another level (with these grand tasting menus). The food is better, more diverse.

                                                                                                                      But there were some stars back then, don't get me wrong. In context of the times - they were great. But the whole experience has evolved. And an amazing amount of restaurants - and many places that opened and managed to thrive during a serious recession? L.A. is once again a great place to eat.

                                                                                                                    3. SilverlakeGirl RE: dtm323 Jul 4, 2013 01:27 AM

                                                                                                                      Not the 80s ... but the 60s and before.

                                                                                                                      Ships in Westwood. Check the awesome "Ship Shape Hamburger". Booth in the back, left side.

                                                                                                                       
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                                                                                                                        john gonzales RE: SilverlakeGirl Jul 4, 2013 12:16 PM

                                                                                                                        Toasters on the tables.
                                                                                                                        SHIPS definitely made it into the 80s. We used to go to the Westwood one after the bars (when there were any). I think the one over on La Cienaga made it until almost 1990.

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                                                                                                                          Servorg RE: john gonzales Jul 4, 2013 12:31 PM

                                                                                                                          John, you will probably remember. What was the name of that higher end and sort of modern looking Italian restaurant that used to be on Pico just a little west of Beverly Glen (maybe it was approximately across the street from John O'Groats?) on the N side of Pico?

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                                                                                                                            john gonzales RE: Servorg Jul 4, 2013 01:17 PM

                                                                                                                            Primi?
                                                                                                                            Where Steingarten is now?
                                                                                                                            That was Piero Selvaggio's place that he opened in about 85. I think he sold it in the late 90s. They made great picnic meals to take to the Bowl.

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                                                                                                                              Servorg RE: john gonzales Jul 4, 2013 01:18 PM

                                                                                                                              That was it, Primi. Thanks, John.

                                                                                                                              Here is a link to Sherry Virbila's Primi http://articles.latimes.com/1994-01-0... review from the 1994

                                                                                                                      2. wienermobile RE: dtm323 Jul 4, 2013 11:47 AM

                                                                                                                        Can't forget The Red Onion. I actually once saw Clint Eastwood in the Beverly Hills location dancing.

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                                                                                                                          Jwsel RE: wienermobile Jul 4, 2013 11:30 PM

                                                                                                                          I laugh now when I think of how Red Onion was the "upscale" Mexican place -- over El Torito. How times and our understanding of Mexican food has changed.

                                                                                                                          A few other places that this thread has made me remember.

                                                                                                                          There was a pasta place on Westwood Blvd. between Olympic and Wilshire that let you choose your pasta and then select from a bunch of different sauces. That was where I first discovered gnocchi. I think it was called the Fettucini Bar or something like that.

                                                                                                                          It's odd that two of the places that come to mind lasted well into the 2000s.

                                                                                                                          Moustache Cafe. There was one in Westwood Village and another on Melrose. I mainly remember the chocolate souffle and a burger doused in garlic.

                                                                                                                          Mon Grenier in Encino also hasn't been gone that long, but it was an upscale Belgian restaurant with the most fantastic bouillabaisse.

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                                                                                                                            HastaLaPasta RE: Jwsel Jul 10, 2013 01:44 PM

                                                                                                                            Not sure if its what you;re thinking of but there was a place in the Valley called (I think) Viva La Pasta on Ventura Blvd. - I think it was in Tarzana - I think they advertised that they had over 400 pasta dishes, mainly because they let you choose from one of eight pasta shapes and one of 50-some sauces, or something like that. The type of place that probably had multiple locations but honestly could not say if there was one on Westwood Blvd., or not.

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                                                                                                                          FranklinJefferson RE: dtm323 Jul 4, 2013 11:54 AM

                                                                                                                          Anybody mention Rex il Ristorante?...
                                                                                                                          Or any of the late, lamented Mauro Vincenti's places (Fennel, Alto Palato, etc.)
                                                                                                                          Rex was one of my first splurges when I moved here just to see the setting from "Pretty Woman". But the food turned out to be the true experience!

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                                                                                                                            Ernie RE: FranklinJefferson Jul 4, 2013 12:04 PM

                                                                                                                            Yes! Gorgeous space and food and so sad when Vincenti passed away

                                                                                                                            Anyone else like the original Le Dôme? Fantastic place too

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                                                                                                                              sel RE: FranklinJefferson Jul 4, 2013 01:03 PM

                                                                                                                              Mauro Vincenti also had 'Mauro's in Glendale. First place that I had real gelato for dessert. Heard about the place listening to Paul Wallach on his KIEV 870 AM radio restaurant show. He raved about Mauro's and deservedly so. I still remember the trio of flavors of house made gelato. One of the flavors was 'banane' served piped into the peel. So good!
                                                                                                                              70's or 80's? Not sure.

                                                                                                                            2. wienermobile RE: dtm323 Jul 4, 2013 11:59 AM

                                                                                                                              One of my favorites was Carol O'Connor's The Ginger Man in Beverly Hills. Used to run into Jack Lemmon and Harvey Lembeck all the time.

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                                                                                                                                Thor123 RE: wienermobile Jul 4, 2013 12:51 PM

                                                                                                                                Now it's Bedford and Burns. No one since Ginger has had much staying power there.

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                                                                                                                                  brandygirl RE: wienermobile Aug 26, 2013 05:11 PM

                                                                                                                                  I loved, loved, loved The Ginger Man.

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                                                                                                                                  What year did Man Fook Lo close?

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                                                                                                                                    TripleAxel RE: wienermobile Aug 27, 2013 02:34 PM

                                                                                                                                    Had to be in the late 80s. They advertised in our high school yearbook in 1985.

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                                                                                                                                      kevin RE: TripleAxel Aug 27, 2013 03:55 PM

                                                                                                                                      Uh-Oh. Now you have dated yourself. :)

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                                                                                                                                        VenusCafe RE: kevin Oct 15, 2013 07:35 AM

                                                                                                                                        LOL Kevin; he dated himself YOUNG!

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                                                                                                                                    Thor123 RE: dtm323 Jul 4, 2013 12:52 PM

                                                                                                                                    How about the Mandarin? The best Chinese in BH maybe ever. Also, had the old below ground Ah Fong's with huge rum la poo la poos in a giant clam shell and of course, the hay day of the original Trader Vic's.

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                                                                                                                                      yogachik RE: Thor123 Jul 4, 2013 08:51 PM

                                                                                                                                      I had my Sweet Sixteen at the Mandarin. It was my absolute favorite restaurant.

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                                                                                                                                        maudies5 RE: yogachik Jul 4, 2013 09:13 PM

                                                                                                                                        We hosted several special occasions there. Always good and festive.

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                                                                                                                                        john gonzales RE: Thor123 Jul 5, 2013 09:52 AM

                                                                                                                                        Trader Vic's, home o the Mai Tai. As Russkar always preaches, no orange or pineapple juice allowed.
                                                                                                                                        Back in the mid-80s, recently out of college, I went to a party there with about 25 of L.A.'s "richie-riches". All of a sudden only five of remained as the other twenty thought it would be a gas to do a humorous dash on us with a $1000 tab which was a boatload to me back then. Luckily a couple of the others had deep pockets.

                                                                                                                                        I also remember coming to LA from college visit an Angeleno girfriend and went to the Mandarin with her family. Since she told me we were going to Chinese food, I wore a pair of old jeans and topsiders with a poloshirt. They were all dressed much nicer and I felt like a real schlub. I still remember loving the squab lettuce cups and Peking duck that night.
                                                                                                                                        They opened the more casual, and open late, place Mandarette on Beverly?thereafter. I think one of the sons of the Mandarin family was the "Chang" with Fleming in the PF Chang's.

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                                                                                                                                          brandygirl RE: Thor123 Aug 26, 2013 05:12 PM

                                                                                                                                          We were regulars at the Ah Fong's in Encino. Their Beef Soo Chow was one of the best dishes ever.

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                                                                                                                                            VenusCafe RE: brandygirl Oct 15, 2013 07:37 AM

                                                                                                                                            Ah Fong's is in the literature; passing joints and getting high in the booths! You must have been a part of that!

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                                                                                                                                              brandygirl RE: VenusCafe Oct 15, 2013 10:25 PM

                                                                                                                                              Funny, I never knew that was going on! I was too young at the time and always went with my parents, who were definitely not getting high.

                                                                                                                                        2. Servorg RE: dtm323 Jul 4, 2013 12:54 PM

                                                                                                                                          One other place we loved in that decade was the Black Whale (where C&O Cucina resides now) in Marina Del Rey and their King Crab dinner. That meal made my yearly butter infusion measure in at 150%, all in one night. It may have been more a child of the 70's (or at least both the '70's and '80's perhaps)?

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                                                                                                                                            mc michael RE: Servorg Jul 5, 2013 10:24 AM

                                                                                                                                            They used to have good stew.

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                                                                                                                                              VenusCafe RE: Servorg Jul 11, 2013 10:32 PM

                                                                                                                                              Reminds me of the huge Friday Crab Specials at Fish Enterprise in SM, and that was the late '70s, thru the '80s
                                                                                                                                              and its still going. Was never at the Black Whale, but the details sound familiar.

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                                                                                                                                                The incredlble thing about the king crab at the Black Whale was both the size of the legs, along with the fact that the legs were pre-split for you and all you had to do was peel these huge pieces of crab meat out of the shell, plunk in the vat of garlic infused butter and plop it in your mouth.

                                                                                                                                                I always felt a little like Henry the VIII or something, being feted at some over the top gluttony banquet. Thankgoodness I got though all that with a few functioning heart vessels that still are pumping a littel blood around and about.

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                                                                                                                                                  john gonzales RE: Servorg Jul 14, 2013 11:04 AM

                                                                                                                                                  Damn. That sounds good. Was it all you can eat? I'm a big eater and by today's dollar an all-you-can-eat king crab meal would have to cost $40 for someone to no lose money on me.
                                                                                                                                                  Another of the places I frequented in the mid 80s was where Josie is now, called Maryland Crab House.

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                                                                                                                                                    CastironJim RE: john gonzales Jul 14, 2013 11:18 AM

                                                                                                                                                    The Black Whale's Alaskan King Crab Legs serving was not an all you can eat offering, but it was a towering heap of big crab legs on your plate, easily close to a foot tall!

                                                                                                                                                    A more than generous portion of AKCLs also came with the Prime Rib and AKCL dinner.

                                                                                                                                                    These were top quality offerings, nothing at all like might be offered at one of today's buffets.

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                                                                                                                                                    rcmcnabb2 RE: Servorg Aug 25, 2013 04:46 PM

                                                                                                                                                    Any chance you know anybody who has the recipe for how they cooked their King Crab legs? It was far and away the best I ever had, and I was crushed to learn they closed the restaurant.

                                                                                                                                                    Rick McNabb

                                                                                                                                              2. Gypsy Jan RE: dtm323 Jul 4, 2013 05:24 PM

                                                                                                                                                How about the Good Earth Restaurants?

                                                                                                                                                In the 80's I ate there almost every week - the Chicken salad especially.

                                                                                                                                                The Fashion Island location is long gone, but I just checked and evidently there is still one in Studio City.

                                                                                                                                                12345 Ventura Blvd
                                                                                                                                                Studio City, CA 91604
                                                                                                                                                Neighborhood: Studio City

                                                                                                                                                (818) 506-7400

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                                                                                                                                                  Servorg RE: Gypsy Jan Jul 4, 2013 05:29 PM

                                                                                                                                                  The Good Earth was one of the places we went to in Westwood Village, or to the location that they had up on Wilshire at Granville that is now that Chinese AYCE buffet place, Union. My wife always got the chicken Marco Polo. Another place my wife loved that got us into Beverly Hills was the Magic Pan for crepes. We still try and get down to Irvine for prime rib at Gulliver's since the one we always went to in Marina Del Rey closed (now a Jerry's Deli - but probably not for long the way things are trending for that chain).

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                                                                                                                                                    DiningDiva RE: Gypsy Jan Jul 5, 2013 10:24 AM

                                                                                                                                                    The Good Earth teas - especially their original blend - is still available in grocery stores. Makes great iced tea.

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                                                                                                                                                    john gonzales RE: dtm323 Jul 5, 2013 09:58 AM

                                                                                                                                                    French place on La Brea near sixth???

                                                                                                                                                    Anyone remember a family bistro place on the east side of La Brea right around sixth street?

                                                                                                                                                    For a couple of years in the later 80s,the place I went to much more than any other was a little casual place called Spangles. It was where Divino is now in Brentwood Village.
                                                                                                                                                    B, L, & D specializing in American food from varying locales and a selection of unusual beers from around the country.

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                                                                                                                                                      maudies5 RE: john gonzales Jul 5, 2013 10:19 AM

                                                                                                                                                      I am surprised that no one has mentioned La Scala and La Scala Boutique. Jean Leon owned both, as well as Le Petit Jean (across the street). La Scala Boutique was on the corner of Rodeo and Little Santa Monica and was always busy. They had a terrific Maitre'd named Tibor. If Tibor liked you, you were definitely assured of a nice booth. Just one door west was La Scala which was one of the best fine Italian dining restaurants in So Ca. Jean Leon amassed a phenomenal wine list. I was sorry to see both restaurants close, The newer La Scalas never came close to Jean Leon's earlier vision.

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                                                                                                                                                        innatestyle RE: maudies5 Oct 13, 2013 01:11 AM

                                                                                                                                                        The chopped salad and the mozzarella marinara were not merely institutions, they were obligations! Frankly, we locals lunched at the Boutique but really considered the restaurant for the tourists for the most part. Jean Leon was lovely. He opened Malibu yet didn't have his beer & wine license yet, so he'd simply comp bottles of wine to send to the table. He was a gentleman.

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                                                                                                                                                        maudies5 RE: john gonzales Jul 5, 2013 10:22 AM

                                                                                                                                                        John Gonzales, I believe you are thinking of Robaires. It was there for a long time.

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                                                                                                                                                          john gonzales RE: maudies5 Jul 5, 2013 07:36 PM

                                                                                                                                                          Yep, thanks, it was Robaire's. I guess Ca'Brea is there now. Simple French food and very reasonably priced. I used to live about four blocks west of it and went there quite frequently for french onion soup, cassoulet etc.

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                                                                                                                                                            CastironJim RE: john gonzales Jul 6, 2013 08:14 AM

                                                                                                                                                            Robaire's had a sister restaurant on Beverly Hills on Beverly Drive, Maison Gerard.

                                                                                                                                                            Speaking of French restaurants from the '80's don't forget Le Cellier on Wilshire near 26th St.in Santa Monica.

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                                                                                                                                                              john gonzales RE: CastironJim Jul 6, 2013 09:27 AM

                                                                                                                                                              Le St. Germaine. Remember that one. Another of the classic French places. It was where Patina was and Providence now is. There was also La Chaumiere, the epitome of classic old-school French. Then La Cachette. where have all the Frenchies gone??

                                                                                                                                                              I also thought of a couple of my favorite old Franco-Asian fusion places. That's actually still one of my favorite cuisnes. Cafe Katsu and Cafe Blanc.

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                                                                                                                                                                John, you made me recall one of our favorite Asian restaurants in Santa Monica from back in the day, Zipangu. IIRC it was at Broadway and Lincoln. They had these great birds eye maple tables and my wife loved their ahi "tuna tuna tuna" salad and they did wonderful pasta dishes too.

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                                                                                                                                                                  Jwsel RE: john gonzales Jul 6, 2013 12:42 PM

                                                                                                                                                                  I had a conversation with a friend who is writing a book about the changes in the LA restaurant scene from the late 60s through early 80s about the loss of classic French restaurants in LA. My theory is that they were the victims of the acceptance of California cuisine as upscale dining destinations. By comparison,classic French restaurants were too formal and the food was perceived as too heavy. California and Italian were perceived to be healthier, and the 80s and early 90s.

                                                                                                                                                                  Another high-end French restaurant in the current Hatfields location was Michel Richard's Citrus. It opened in the late-80s and lasted into the early 2000s and was one of the few French restaurants that really survived the shift in cuisines. Patina and La Cachette were others, and La Cachette often emphasized that its dishes were more healthy than traditional French food.

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                                                                                                                                                                jesstifer RE: john gonzales Oct 16, 2013 01:14 AM

                                                                                                                                                                Ca'Brea is gone.

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                                                                                                                                                              JosephEBacon RE: john gonzales Jul 5, 2013 10:47 PM

                                                                                                                                                              John, wasn't that Robaire's? And it was closer to 3rd/La Brea than 6th/La Brea.

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                                                                                                                                                                FED RE: JosephEBacon Oct 16, 2013 12:58 PM

                                                                                                                                                                robaire's was one of the first big-deal french restaurants in la. owned by a tunisian, Robert Robaire. wonderful man, still around. walls painted with montmartre street scenes, etc. i've still got a couple of their old menus.

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                                                                                                                                                                  mucho gordo RE: FED Oct 16, 2013 01:05 PM

                                                                                                                                                                  My SIL was a hostess at the Encino location until they closed it.

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                                                                                                                                                              josephnl RE: dtm323 Jul 5, 2013 11:49 AM

                                                                                                                                                              What about the little place on La Cienega with no sign outside to identify a restaurant...just a door and a button/intercom. You announced yourself, and they buzzed you in. Dining room was upstairs, I think. Does anyone remember it?

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                                                                                                                                                                FranklinJefferson RE: josephnl Jul 5, 2013 01:36 PM

                                                                                                                                                                Nope.
                                                                                                                                                                Sounds like Club 33 at Disney...
                                                                                                                                                                ;)

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                                                                                                                                                                  Sugarsnap RE: josephnl Aug 25, 2013 09:39 PM

                                                                                                                                                                  Yes, I remember this place. I think it was owned by some University of Southern California alumni. We always went with friends, and they knew the owners. It was so much fun and so good. I'll have to ask my friend who the owners were. I am now curious.

                                                                                                                                                                2. wienermobile RE: dtm323 Jul 5, 2013 07:29 PM

                                                                                                                                                                  Hampton's burgers on Highland and on Riverside Drive. I believe it was owned by Paul Newman.

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                                                                                                                                                                    maudies5 RE: wienermobile Jul 5, 2013 07:54 PM

                                                                                                                                                                    Actually, it was owned by Ron and Anne Buck. Paul Newman was a good friend of theirs and may have been an investor

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                                                                                                                                                                      pnutbuddah RE: wienermobile Jul 6, 2013 01:26 AM

                                                                                                                                                                      I loved Hampton"s. I still recall my first PB&J burger!

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                                                                                                                                                                        Jwsel RE: pnutbuddah Jul 6, 2013 12:25 PM

                                                                                                                                                                        And the Chocolate Mort -- one of the best desserts ever.

                                                                                                                                                                        Mo's in Riverside took over the Hampton's site and it still has a menage a trois burger, but that is the only remnant of Hampton's that I can see.

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                                                                                                                                                                        LAgirl2 RE: wienermobile Jul 7, 2013 03:26 PM

                                                                                                                                                                        OMG Hamptons! I remember the first time I went to the one on Highland and being wowed by all the burger toppings---I guess the Counter is kinda doing that now in a fast food manner without the booze.

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                                                                                                                                                                          kevin RE: LAgirl2 Jul 7, 2013 03:54 PM

                                                                                                                                                                          I do believe that the Counter serves booze.

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                                                                                                                                                                        pnutbuddah RE: dtm323 Jul 6, 2013 01:28 AM

                                                                                                                                                                        I'm pretty sure Caioti in Laurel Canyon was an 80"s spot. Ed Ledou's bbq chicken pizza and others were the first...after he left Wolfgang of course.

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                                                                                                                                                                          john gonzales RE: pnutbuddah Jul 6, 2013 09:14 AM

                                                                                                                                                                          Caotti definitely had claim to being one of the best pizzas in town for a stretch there.

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                                                                                                                                                                            HastaLaPasta RE: pnutbuddah Jul 10, 2013 01:46 PM

                                                                                                                                                                            Maybe it moved but isn't Caioti Pizza Cafe on Cahuenga in Studio City?

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                                                                                                                                                                              FranklinJefferson RE: HastaLaPasta Jul 11, 2013 10:51 AM

                                                                                                                                                                              On Tujunga across the street from Vitello's.

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                                                                                                                                                                                john gonzales RE: HastaLaPasta Jul 11, 2013 07:28 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                The original Caiotti was in & on Laurel Canyon, where Pace is now.. Seems like it opened around 88. The owner was Ed La Doux who was the one behind the pizzas at Spago. He also came up with most of the orignal recipes for CPK.

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                                                                                                                                                                                  kevin RE: john gonzales Jul 11, 2013 10:28 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                  And he came up with the special salad that supposedly induces labor ?

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                                                                                                                                                                                    FranklinJefferson RE: kevin Jul 11, 2013 11:34 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                    The "THE SALAD"...
                                                                                                                                                                                    A friend of mine who had just moved to NY in '90 asked me to FedEx her the Salad Dressing to Brooklyn because she was 3 days past her due date. It Worked!

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                                                                                                                                                                              yogachik RE: dtm323 Jul 6, 2013 07:54 AM

                                                                                                                                                                              What was the name of that restaurant across from the old ICM (or, across from Madeo), upstairs? It was above the jewelry mart, had a patio that stretched the whole of Beverly Blvd on one side.

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                                                                                                                                                                                New Trial RE: yogachik Jul 6, 2013 12:57 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                Was that Cyrano? Or was Cyrano the successor? In the Antiquarius Building.

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                                                                                                                                                                                  mbloes RE: yogachik Oct 15, 2013 05:15 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                  Pane Caldo

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                                                                                                                                                                                  CastironJim RE: dtm323 Jul 6, 2013 08:21 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                  The Steak Pit on Melrose, not too far from the City Café.

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                                                                                                                                                                                    Kate is always hungry RE: CastironJim Oct 16, 2013 05:43 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                    Yes! Steak Pit! I loved that place!

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                                                                                                                                                                                      CastironJim RE: Kate is always hungry Oct 20, 2013 02:09 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                      The elderly gentleman that owned and ran the place really knew the hospitality business. They really knew how to take care of and please their guests!
                                                                                                                                                                                      Oh for a place like that today.....

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                                                                                                                                                                                        Kate is always hungry RE: CastironJim Oct 20, 2013 07:18 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                        I always felt so privileged that I'd discovered Steak Pit! While friends were going to the newest restaurant, I was going to a place most didn't know about. I think at some point, they took the sign off the building. Everyone I introduced it to were amazed at how good it was! **sniff**

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                                                                                                                                                                                    john gonzales RE: dtm323 Jul 6, 2013 10:41 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                    Long-lost Cajun/Creoles.
                                                                                                                                                                                    Orleans on Barrington. Really liked it and still curse the Starbucks everytime I drive by.
                                                                                                                                                                                    Ritz Cafe on Pico. Blackened Redfish! and kind of New Orleans with a gourmet twist.
                                                                                                                                                                                    Homer & Edy's on south Robertson. Authentic old-school south. I always liked it better than Harold & Belle's.
                                                                                                                                                                                    If you really wanted to get down and dirt, the Five C's down by Western & Slauson for an oyster po'boy.

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                                                                                                                                                                                      bulavinaka RE: john gonzales Jul 6, 2013 11:33 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                      Curse Starbuck's for other things, but I think the neighborhood was the culprit. What l heard was Orleans was becoming far more popular than any had expected. The bleedoff from the constant max crowds (traffic, parking lot, loud drunken smokers, etc.).

                                                                                                                                                                                      The final straw was the murals on the exterior. The images were extroverted and bawdy - too much so for the quiet and conservative neighborhood. How the residents forced Orleans out I do not know.

                                                                                                                                                                                      I too enjoyed this place and offer a sigh as I pass through often. But I have to wonder why Orleans or some other like-establishment of this caliber didn't open elsewhere?

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                                                                                                                                                                                        Thor123 RE: bulavinaka Jul 6, 2013 11:39 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                        Shame. Really has not been a high end Cajan since Orleans.

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                                                                                                                                                                                          bulavinaka RE: Thor123 Jul 6, 2013 11:50 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                          I think great examples of food from that region in general is far too sparse in LA.

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                                                                                                                                                                                          john gonzales RE: bulavinaka Jul 6, 2013 12:00 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                          The neighborhood may have had some impact, though it was always a realtively busy four-corner commercial. Also Orleans did have the parking lot and it wasn't like there was a rock-and-roll bar crowd spilling out at 2am. But I guess it was the only popular place in that hood. Though I think there used to be a bar across the street south too.
                                                                                                                                                                                          I recall talking to the operators at the time and part of it was part a landlord thing as it was a really large space. Only an ultra-succssful place (which they weren't near the end) could retain the whole space.
                                                                                                                                                                                          I'm with you though that the New Orleans cuisine done well in a nice setting should have been able to make it somewhere. The Cajun popcorn, dirty martinis, and blackened fish & prime-rib were great at Orleans. The room was very classically appointed, and unlike almost everywhere now, spacious and not noisy.
                                                                                                                                                                                          I had my smallish company Christmas party there a couple of years.

                                                                                                                                                                                          I was similarly surprised and disappointed when Cafe Terra Cotta, a very good and successful Southwestern place out of Tuscon could not cut it over in Beverly Hills. Some cuisines just don't seem to have staying power here.

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                                                                                                                                                                                          Steve2 in LA RE: john gonzales Jul 6, 2013 01:53 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                          We used to LOVE Orleans. Big deal for it's time, Prudhomme himself opened it and I STILL miss their Linguine with Tasso and Oysters. Wow, talk about a killer dish, nothing like it in town any longer.

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                                                                                                                                                                                            condiment RE: john gonzales Jul 14, 2013 11:38 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                            And Patout's on Westwood Boulevard, whose chef, Alex Patout, was one of the best of the first wave of new-Creole chefs in Louisiana. I miss 5Cs the most, though.

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                                                                                                                                                                                              kevin RE: condiment Jul 14, 2013 11:41 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                              5cs briefly opened in Covina for a bit.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                steamer RE: condiment Aug 28, 2013 10:46 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                Alex was the front of the house guy, his sister was the chef at opening and the food was extraordinary. Then it seemed to go to hell suddenly.

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                                                                                                                                                                                              tpix RE: dtm323 Jul 6, 2013 12:51 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                              The City Cafe on Melrose became the original Border Grill.
                                                                                                                                                                                              I can't remember which block, but I believe it was somewhere between La Brea and Fairfax on the north side of the street.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                I loved the fish and chips from Bit O' Scotland in Westwood

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                                                                                                                                                                                                  pnutbuddah RE: dtm323 Jul 6, 2013 11:58 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                  I lived about a three minute walk to Butterfield's, on Sunset (Where the House of Blues is currently located). A leisurely brunch on the patio was as good as it got back then. A cozy dinner near the fireplace on a winter's night was pretty fine too. A great ambiance and pretty good food. I miss it!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                    john gonzales RE: pnutbuddah Jul 7, 2013 11:10 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                    Remember The Source??
                                                                                                                                                                                                    That was across the street and just east of Kings Rd & HoBlues. They were serving uber veggie, healthy, organic stuff in the late 70s early 80s. I had zero interest in that type of food in the 80s.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                      wienermobile RE: john gonzales Jul 7, 2013 11:12 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                      Woody Allen eats there in Annie Hall

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                                                                                                                                                                                                      perk RE: pnutbuddah Jul 7, 2013 01:09 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                      oh...i loved that place. food was good...wine list was even better. terrific prices. champagne on the patio meant is was a good day!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                        jesstifer RE: pnutbuddah Oct 16, 2013 01:12 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                        As featured in LA Story, the earthquake scene.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                        josephnl RE: dtm323 Jul 7, 2013 12:04 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                        Can it really be that no one has mentioned L'Orangerie and the other classic high-end French restaurant on La Cienega that was perhaps LA's first great French restaurant (Le....???). I can't think of the name?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                          john gonzales RE: josephnl Jul 7, 2013 01:04 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                          Well, I guess no one has read all of my ten posts on the long thread, but I mentioned L'Orangerie way up the page around the tenth post. Also L'Ermitage (which was on La Cien. where Koi is) if that is the other you are thinking about.
                                                                                                                                                                                                          Btw, the chef who replaced Bertranou at L'ermitage, named Michel Blanchett or something, has a company that sells gourment smoked seafood to restaurants etc.. I think it is called cordon Bleu, and their smoked salmon is great.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                            josephnl RE: john gonzales Jul 7, 2013 03:33 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                            Sorry, John...I missed your post. Yes, it was L'Ermitage I was thinking of...probably the premiere French restaurant in its day. I especially miss L'Orangerie. Had many wonderful meals there!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                              TripleAxel RE: josephnl Aug 27, 2013 02:37 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                              L'Ermitage became Bastide and is now Mari Vanna.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                Ciao Bob RE: TripleAxel Aug 27, 2013 04:26 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                Don't forget Manhattan Wonton Company...aka Yeti, Bigfoot and the Loch Ness Monster...a satisfactory NYC style Chinese restaurant in LA.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                  New Trial RE: Ciao Bob Aug 27, 2013 08:17 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I miss the short-lived King Dragon on Doheny, where Chakra now resides. It was a branch of Richard Mei's NYC establishment and had that Holy Grail of East Coast Chinese food, the fat, crinkly egg roll--though I tended to order his special lobster roll more often.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                  New Trial RE: TripleAxel Aug 27, 2013 08:13 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Actually, L'Ermitage was on La Cienega and became Koi. Bastide took over the Manhattan Wonton Company space as mentioned by Ciao Bob.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                    FranklinJefferson RE: New Trial Aug 27, 2013 09:03 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    With a few stops in between.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                    L'Ermitage begat Drai's which begat Cienega which begat Koi...

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Bob Brooks RE: TripleAxel Nov 2, 2013 02:33 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    L'Ermitage was on La Cienega. Bastide was on Melrose Place. I'm trying to remember the restaurant that preceded Bastide, it was French and very fashionable. Anyone?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Servorg RE: Bob Brooks Nov 2, 2013 02:59 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Wasn't the Manhattan Wonton Company there before Bastide? Or was it Lavande that opened after MWC moved out? You know, the old Alain Giraud space. No, gotta be Manhattan Wonton, then it became Bastide with Giraud at the helm. Before that Le Restaurant was in that space in the 1970's.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                        New Trial RE: Servorg Nov 2, 2013 04:15 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Lavande was in the Loews Santa Monica, where Ocean & Vine now is.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                        maudies5 RE: Bob Brooks Nov 2, 2013 03:49 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        You are thinking of LeRestaurant

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                zinFAN RE: dtm323 Jul 7, 2013 07:38 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                my family used to celebrate events at 72 Market St in Venice. It's a shame they turned that space into a cheesy club.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                and I remember having my first "real" Italian meal at Locanda Veneta, which to my surprise is still there on 3rd.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Thor123 RE: zinFAN Jul 8, 2013 10:02 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  72 was great as was Rabeccas. Locanda Veneta was (I believe) owned by the same people as Ca Brea and Il Moro who always did very good Italian.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                    innatestyle RE: zinFAN Oct 13, 2013 01:24 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I had a standing, 'casual' reservation at the bar each Friday at 72. We loved it there and had their wonderful ceviche and caesar salad along with a bottle of champagne (I no longer drink).
                                                                                                                                                                                                                    And I understand that Julie and partners got into a great deal of financial trouble up in Aspen when opening a restaurant up there. They all came from The West Beach Cafe, as did Hal, of Hal's on Abbott Kinney, but most actually started out at Robert's on the Beach.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                    My big question is, who painted that wonderful, enormous, night-time landscape of Malibu and Santa Monica and where is that great canvas now? Thank you! I miss everyone at Robert's, West Beach, 72!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                    yogachik RE: dtm323 Jul 8, 2013 08:15 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Helena's. Quintessential 80s in all ways.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Servorg RE: yogachik Jul 8, 2013 08:20 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Helena's and Vertigo are featured in this 1986 article from the N.Y. Times http://www.nytimes.com/1986/07/04/sty... (I would suggest that they rename the paper the "Good Times" but they'd have to totally change their approach to news to make that name fit).

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Thor123 RE: Servorg Jul 8, 2013 10:03 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Wasnt Vertigo a Club?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Right, but Helena's was a "private" supper club as well.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                            john gonzales RE: Servorg Jul 8, 2013 05:52 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            The food was pretty crummy though and was kind of an after-thought. I had a couple of friends that were "members" so went there a bit. It was tres chic cool with lots of celebs. It wasn't as vibrant as some of the other action. Flaming Colossus, Po Na Na, and stock exchange also did the food/club combo. The food at Stock exchange was creative and pretty good, though a bit pricey, but IIRC when you ate you skipped the line and the cover. I remember Po Na Na doing some wierd grazing thing where it was like os sort of buffet but there were scantily clad girls (in some sort of Moroccan themed outfits) on the tables as some sort of accessory to the food layed out around them.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            LA. in the 80s had some fantastic night-clubbing. I think with the demise of clubbing people have turned to hanging out at restaurants more for drinks etc. So place have become more combo bar and restaurant. So we have a lot more crowded noisy places like Sotto, Bestia, Bottega Louie. Back in the day there was a lot more eating early at a straight ahead restaurant then hitting up bars and clubs afterward.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Vertigo was a great club. The trick for a guy was to dress one's coolest, and go with numerous dolled-up women. I even got some sort of card that gotme in with barely a wait. That place was so classic L.A. 80s. Tons of dancing, eveyone all dressed up.The bathrooms were a whole secondary party scene of their own.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I also recall Power Tools and a coupleof other clubs at the Park Place hotel, China Club. What is really gone now is all the live music spots that were all over with lots of great Punk and New wave bands playing constantly. Club Lingerie, Madame Wong's, Anti-Club, Gazzari's etc, etc. My favorite hang-out was Ports on SaMo across from Formosa Cafe.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Servorg RE: john gonzales Jul 8, 2013 05:56 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              "My favorite hang-out was Ports on SaMo across from Formosa Cafe."

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I'm pretty sure we ate at Port's. Was that the place with no sign and it was so dark inside you thought you were losing your sight when you got inside?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                kevin RE: john gonzales Jul 8, 2013 06:00 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                the club days in the 80s, where the nose candy was beyond plentiful and food was merely an afterthought.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Servorg RE: kevin Jul 8, 2013 06:04 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  And where young stars dropped dead outside places like the Viper Room...

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    kevin RE: Servorg Jul 8, 2013 06:30 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Oh, yes, the viper room. but was the food any good there besides the nose candy ?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Servorg RE: kevin Jul 8, 2013 06:40 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I'd rather have been interrogated by Torquemada during the Spanish Inquisition than spend anytime at all at the Viper Room...

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        kevin RE: Servorg Jul 8, 2013 06:50 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Damn, those are strong words.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  yogachik RE: john gonzales Jul 8, 2013 09:30 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  It was Pu Na Na, not Po (sorry), and the Moroccan fare was actually really good.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Remember Funky Reggae and Lunch? No food to speak of, other than something to soak up the booze, but such great clubs! Club Soda and Flaming Colossus and Dirt Box and Stock Exchange and Club Trust -- all great clubs, but it was when the yummy bacon wrapped hot dog carts first made their appearance on the outside sidewalks!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    john gonzales RE: yogachik Jul 9, 2013 11:26 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    You say Pu, I say Po.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I thought sure it was PO but am not positive.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Our favorite munchies after the clubs, if anyone was hungry, were Torung for some real late night thai or Canter's.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    innatestyle RE: john gonzales Oct 13, 2013 02:33 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    John, Henry & Joseph who owned Vinyl Fetish Records on Melrose hosted a dance party at Club Lingerie each Friday called the Veil. This was really the first place we'd be able to dance to The Cure, Duran Duran, Depeche Mode. This was all pre-MTV you remember.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    China Club was great, more a cutting edge fashion show than anything. Now Madame Wong's WEST was fantastic. Oingo Boingo played there often and I danced with Nina Hagen to Hunt Sales & the Big 9, who fronted for David Bowie at times. I posted a reply earlier about Ports, and you were so right about how reliable and fun it always was. John Cooke was the bartender. How are you John?
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    All my friends were models and I had the right clothes, so going with them we got in right away and clearly the bottles of champagne never stopped coming - gratis. I simply danced. What a great way to be young, right? And you're right about the Punk & New Wave clubs, they were amazing. Do you recall the ORIGINAL Zero Zero when it was underground?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                condiment RE: Servorg Jul 14, 2013 11:40 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                The best of the club/restaurants was Flaming Colossus, whose chefs were the extremely young Fred Eric and Octavio Becerra.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  john gonzales RE: condiment Jul 14, 2013 05:33 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Wow. Fred's a friend of mine and I didn't even know that.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                              FranklinJefferson RE: dtm323 Jul 8, 2013 10:36 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Oh, and back in '85, my first experience with Pacific-Rim food happened at Roy Yamaguchi's 385 North on La Cienega. Also the closest thing to a setting from "Less Than Zero" that I could have imagined as a new transplant from the Bay Area

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                maudies5 RE: FranklinJefferson Jul 8, 2013 10:46 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Le Restaurant on Melrose Place was very elegant.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                tpix RE: dtm323 Jul 8, 2013 12:22 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                72 Market Street was always one of my favorites. I recall I was eating dinner there on one week night when Dudley Moore appeared at the piano, played two pieces and then disappeared.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Servorg RE: tpix Jul 8, 2013 12:26 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  "...Dudley Moore appeared at the piano, played two pieces and then disappeared."

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Was one of them "Bolero" by any chance?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    kevin RE: Servorg Jul 8, 2013 01:39 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Bolero ?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      FranklinJefferson RE: kevin Jul 8, 2013 02:45 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      It's a reference to Bo Derek's response to Dudley Moore's question about what she liked to do while listening to "Bolero". From the movie "10"...

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      tpix RE: Servorg Jul 8, 2013 01:42 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Actually it could have been. This would have been about 25 years ago. I'm still in touch with the friend I was dining with so I'll ask him if he remembers. I'll get back to you

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      wienermobile RE: tpix Jul 8, 2013 12:26 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Wasn't Dudley Moore one of the owners?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        kevin RE: wienermobile Jul 8, 2013 01:40 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        yeah, dudley and tony bill owned the joint.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          tpix RE: wienermobile Jul 8, 2013 01:44 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Yes.. I believe Dionne Warwick was another partner. I saw her there once or twice.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            foodiemahoodie RE: tpix Jul 14, 2013 06:56 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            There were plenty of investors. And they actually got paid and saw some profit. How often does that happen?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        j mather RE: dtm323 Jul 8, 2013 12:59 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        What a fun thread! Besides all of the other places mentioned, I remember very fine meals at 7th St Bistro with Joachim Splichal. Also, anyone remember Puck's short-lived brewpub, Eureka, on Sawtelle? Freshest hefeweizen in LA.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          wienermobile RE: j mather Jul 8, 2013 01:16 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          The sausages at Eureka were some of the best in town. Don't know why they closed it was packed when ever I was there.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            kevin RE: wienermobile Jul 8, 2013 01:40 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            i missed out on eureka.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            when did they close it ?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              wienermobile RE: kevin Jul 8, 2013 03:09 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Eureka was not open very long. It must of closed 3 years after they opened. It's the only Wolfgang Puck restaurant I even remember closing. Gigantic and very noisy place but with good affordable food.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Here is an article that I saw about the closing of not only Eureka, but Granita as well http://www.evancarmichael.com/Famous-...

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  wienermobile RE: Servorg Jul 8, 2013 03:21 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Thanks. Your Article says Eureka was only open one year. I knew it was quick but I didn't realize it was that quick. In house brewery and all they were ahead of their time.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    We went to Eureka one night when our about to turn 25 year old son was maybe 6 months. My wife was very nervous about going in with a baby, but Barbara Lazaroff who was the hostess that night could not have been more welcoming and she made such a fuss over our son that we instantly felt at home. The food was very good and we were really sorry to see them close the doors as they were in our neighborhood.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      kevin RE: Servorg Jul 8, 2013 04:26 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Damn, it does sound like it was way ahead of its time.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      That's very interesting since sausage/artisanal beer parlors (i.e. Wurstkuche and its ilk) having been open around town only in the past five years again.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      What's old is new again.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        john gonzales RE: kevin Jul 8, 2013 08:31 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I went to Eureka quite a few timest as I lived up in Brentwood and my g-f lived only 4 blocks rom there. I definitely agree that the concept was ahead of its time. Beers, sausages, and snacky food.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        They drew a decent number of diners, but I wouldn't say it stayed hot for long. But that wasn't the problem. The problem was the concept and space. First off it was on a strange mid-stretch area of Bundy, and there was not really any street exposure. But the killer was that they really took a chance on doing a brewery as much as a restaurant. The place was huge and almost all of it was the brewing operation. It looked cool but that is not inexpensive space. So you're paying westside rates for something you can do in an industrial area. Also I don't think they were able to build any sort of brand with the beer. So while the restaurant might have been fine, it wasn't the whole enterprise.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          tpix RE: john gonzales Jul 8, 2013 09:02 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I remember visiting Euereka a few times as well. I wanted it to succeed. Alas, the food was great, but I recall rating the beer at B-

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            maudies5 RE: john gonzales Jul 8, 2013 09:23 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I know a lot of folks who were dying to invest in Eureka. I believe the minimum was 25 K. We were offered the opportunity and declined. Puck had no problem attracting investors, all of whom would get benefits as an investor. Not surprised that Eureka suffered an early demise. I have friends who never recouped their investment (hardly unusual in restaurant business).

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              VenusCafe RE: maudies5 Jul 9, 2013 04:50 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Maudies, my dentist invested in Spago. Altho Wolfgang's first and most risky, I'm pretty sure he recouped.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              sel RE: j mather Jul 8, 2013 09:51 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Eureka's beer was ok but the food meant to pair with beer was excellent!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Ciao Bob RE: sel Aug 27, 2013 09:20 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I am late to this thread...it is great. Eureka was fantastic. Puck should reopen it now. My Dad still has some of the beer I think.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  kevin RE: Ciao Bob Aug 27, 2013 03:57 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Beer still ?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Wow.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  He would make a killing if he reopened it now. If I'm not mistaken (and from what I have hears since I have not visited Eureka before), Puck was ahead of his time at the time.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Artisanal beers, gourmet sausages, and a suave, nuanced butterscotch pudding in addition to the Puck flair would kick ass like gangbusters.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    TripleAxel RE: kevin Aug 27, 2013 08:28 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Guess Puck was way too much ahead of his time....

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      FED RE: TripleAxel Aug 28, 2013 01:06 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      i think there were internal business issues that brought eureka down. but great food and really good beer -- especially for the time.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                trimtab RE: j mather Aug 29, 2013 11:47 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                In addition to great sausages and beer, Eureka had wonderful Bavarian pretzels.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  kevin RE: trimtab Aug 29, 2013 12:01 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  i'm about to cry.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I was a big fan of Old World in Westwood Village (also location on the Sunset Strip) I think they sold more clam chowder than anyone in LA.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  kevin RE: wienermobile Jul 8, 2013 01:41 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  i enjoyed World Links in the century city mall.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  does anyone rememember that joint ?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  i thought it was better than jody maroni's

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    pnutbuddah RE: kevin Aug 25, 2013 10:38 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Agree with Kevin. I loved it too. Great sausages , dogs and buns! I'd go to Century City just for World Links.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    SilverlakeGirl RE: wienermobile Jul 8, 2013 05:18 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I loved the Old World.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Fantastic Caesar Salads with anchovies and a great split pea soup.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      CastironJim RE: SilverlakeGirl Jul 8, 2013 05:39 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      My brother was a big, big fan of the Belgium waffles that the Old World served.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        VenusCafe RE: SilverlakeGirl Jul 9, 2013 04:54 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        There was another 'world' on hollywood Blvd, maybe called Small World, where the steak tartare was sensational.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      mbloes RE: dtm323 Jul 8, 2013 02:56 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Not totally a restaurant, but there was the China Club on 3rd Street. And Joe Allen's was just down the street.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        yogachik RE: mbloes Jul 8, 2013 09:25 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Joe Allens! I spent many a night there with all my brat pack friends.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        maudies5 RE: dtm323 Jul 8, 2013 03:40 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        The Bistro on Canon (where Mastros is now) and they had another more casual Bistro, where Spago is now located.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Still surprised that I am the only one who seems to remember Le Restaurant on Melrose Place. It was a beautiful place to dine.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          melangeinc RE: maudies5 Jul 8, 2013 09:21 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Remember an evening back in 77 at The Bistro -just arrived from London and at the next table, Truman Capote and Jack Lemmon

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            john gonzales RE: melangeinc Jul 8, 2013 10:04 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Michael or Robert?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Bistro Garden morphed off of The Bistro right? For years I would get souffles to cook at home from Bistro Garden. I didn't even know they were still open in the valley.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              innatestyle RE: john gonzales Oct 13, 2013 01:54 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              John, we must have known one another. We're referencing the same restaurants and the same era. I know parents loved the Bistro, but I felt there was something pretty magical about Bistro Garden. But then I knew Helenas (I know Helena actually), The China Club, Palette (I hosted my birthday party there), designed by the amazing Anthony Machado.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                SilverlakeGirl RE: innatestyle Oct 16, 2013 06:46 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I remember going to the China Club on opening night ... the Chinese bartenders with the big pompadour hair styles, skinny pants and impossible pointy toed shoes!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  john gonzales RE: innatestyle Oct 17, 2013 11:23 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Well, given the commonality in clubs and restaurants we may have met. But that was the "Less than Zero" era and even if we had I might not remember it. Btw, upthread I mentioned Ports, which I'm sure I was at 100 times one year. There was that actor from Dynasty, maybe Steven Ford??, that bellied up to the bar regularly.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I had a drunkard buddy that would stand out front of Ports when they had no one at the door, and pretend to be an employee collecting the $5 cover for ten minutes then head inside with his drinks paid for for the night. Classic dumb behavior.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I was thinking about the old crew and romps in those days.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  The Nairobi Room popped into mind for the first time in a long time. It was another of the very cool exclusive late night clubs.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    innatestyle RE: john gonzales Oct 17, 2013 12:02 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Could it have been Al Corley out front of Ports? He did work at Studio 54 before heading west, though after his very brief stint on Dynasty I have no idea what became of him. One of the main bartenders, John Cooke, appeared in a very brief scene in 'Baby Boom' and that was the last I saw of John, though I'm not much of a film goer.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I have no recollection of the Nairobi Room, but I left for New York around '86; perhaps it came later.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I wondered actually John if we'd stumbled across one another in our careers, but no matter.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              ZoeZ RE: maudies5 Jul 9, 2013 05:12 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              You have company in remembering Le Restaurant - a remarkable place to dine - outstanding food and ambiance - yes I have fond memories

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                maudies5 RE: ZoeZ Jul 9, 2013 07:58 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Thanks. Glad someone else remembered Le Restaurant. Fond memories, indeed.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  mc michael RE: ZoeZ Jul 9, 2013 09:07 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I heard there were extra curricular activities in the rest rooms.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    maudies5 RE: mc michael Jul 9, 2013 09:34 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I think you are confusing it with 72 Market, which IIRC had the first unisex bathroom. It was widely known that folks used that bathroom for "extra curricular activities."

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      kevin RE: maudies5 Jul 9, 2013 09:37 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I think I get what you mean by "extracurricular activities" but at 72 Market. ?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I just thought it was a decent neighborhood restaurant serving comfort food ?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        maudies5 RE: kevin Jul 9, 2013 09:56 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Kevin, 72 Market served wonderful comfort food. The scene however was very hip Hollywood. Venice was not considered a "neighborhood" in the way it is now.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      innatestyle RE: mc michael Oct 13, 2013 01:59 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      That was Le Dome, very extracurricular in the men's room, lines laid out across the back of the toilet. The bathroom was in the back and then downstairs. There was an attendant but I was never certain if he was involved or merely discrete.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Le Dome was next door to Casablanca Records, the major disco label, so there was definitely a connection. Faces seen at the bar, Jose Eber, Peter Allen, etc.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      The building had originally been Billy Haines showroom before it moved down to So. Beverly Drive.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  kevin RE: dtm323 Jul 8, 2013 05:38 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I realize I have referenced this joint many times before but has does anyone remember:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Manny's Bistro on Westwood Blvd ????

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    CastironJim RE: kevin Jul 8, 2013 05:53 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Not familiar with Manny's Bistro. I was a Bratskellar kind of a guy.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Ciao Bob RE: kevin Aug 27, 2013 09:22 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      With fondness. Especially the naked photo of Manny in the john.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        kevin RE: Ciao Bob Aug 27, 2013 04:00 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        What else do you remember about Manny's Bob, if you can write some reminisces down ?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        It's the one joint that I would love to hear more about and get a vicarious thrill about.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Also, I have to say even back then the prices at Manny's Bistro for beyond reasonable, actually scratch that, ridiculously cheap is more like it.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        thanks. where you a frequent regular there ??????

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        btw, on my first time there, i ran into robert wuhl there shooting the shit with his round of regulars. quite a scene and great food, and manny handcrafted the tables and pottery himself too.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Now you was quite the curmudgeonly, cranky, and cantakerous character.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Ciao Bob RE: kevin Aug 27, 2013 04:23 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          My Dad was a regular. He lived around the corner. I lived in NY but visited often. Manny's, Eureka, Spago, Granita and loads of other places on this list were in our Heavy Rotation. All were all places my Dad brought me. All of us kids had a big laugh with/at Manny. He was unique, his space was unique, his prices were unique, his food was unique and, as I said, the naked picture of him in the john was not the kind of thing Wolfgang Puck has done (yet).

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            kevin RE: Ciao Bob Aug 27, 2013 04:31 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            keep those reminsces coming.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            i think he passed away a few years back.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            he was beyond unique. and also erratic, his words not mine.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            since sometimes he stated he'd be open for lunch and then was seemingly closed. and i never got the chance to try dinner there which i heard was incredible too.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              melangeinc RE: kevin Aug 27, 2013 06:36 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              What about Butterfield's, Oscar's, Kit Marshall Le Petit Cafe,

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                kevin RE: melangeinc Aug 27, 2013 06:37 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                wow,

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                these places i know nothing about.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  TripleAxel RE: kevin Aug 27, 2013 08:30 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I miss Szechuan, Hunan Restaurant, and Green Jade in Chinatown...

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      tpix RE: dtm323 Jul 8, 2013 09:06 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Has anyone mentioned the Authentic Cafe ? Some groundbreaking South American- Asian fusion..

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        john gonzales RE: tpix Jul 8, 2013 10:11 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Good one. I remember living on Ridgeley close to there when it opened and missing it when I moved a year later. It was a mish-mash of all kinds of stuff, including Moroccan, as IIRC that was part of the chef's heritage. I actually still have the cookbook and make an occasional dish from it. Unlike a lot of the 80s-90s fusion, they fused flavors but didn't do the food-as-art little portions like other places. It was done in more of a comfort/homey style.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Steve2 in LA RE: tpix Jul 9, 2013 03:38 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Retro vote for both the "Ratskellar" and the Authentic. Used to go to the Authentic before they enlarged into the next building. Really some righteous grub.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            mc michael RE: Steve2 in LA Jul 9, 2013 03:55 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Wait, the Ratskellar in Westwood? Or was that the Bratskeller?
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Have not thought of that in forever.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Steve2 in LA RE: mc michael Jul 10, 2013 06:52 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Frequenters like myself and friends, referred to the Westwood Bratskellar as "The Ratskellar". Not particularly imaginative but it was the 80's we were young and uninformed.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                mc michael RE: Steve2 in LA Jul 14, 2013 11:46 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                So it should have been the Mauskellar?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          noshie RE: dtm323 Jul 8, 2013 09:55 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Melting Pot for brunch, Miriwa for dim sum and Citrus for simply wonderful food and that fabulous Napoleon dessert. Did Paprika in Hollywood last until the 80's?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            kevin RE: dtm323 Jul 9, 2013 05:16 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            does anyone rememberr Manny's Bistro ?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Servorg RE: kevin Jul 9, 2013 05:20 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/48076

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                kevin RE: Servorg Jul 9, 2013 06:49 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                damn, i thought you weren't supposed to provide links anymore ?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  kevin RE: Servorg Jul 9, 2013 06:49 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  bu thanks.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                tpix RE: dtm323 Jul 9, 2013 08:00 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I'm surprised that no one has mentioned Angeli on Melrose (the branches in WLA and the Marina were good too). With its Morphosis design, It always seemed to me to be an 80's icon. I guess its been closed a year and a half now.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  kevin RE: tpix Jul 9, 2013 08:19 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I think it had a pop-up, Or maybe there will be another one too.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    PeterCC RE: tpix Jul 9, 2013 09:10 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    My wife used to go there a lot I think when she was in college in the late 80s early 90s. She has a black tshirts with the angel wings on the back from there.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      engie RE: tpix Oct 15, 2013 04:29 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Evan Kleiman ran a cafe at my school - she made cheap delicious pizza sold by the slice and other goodies. We were the luckiest bunch of broke students in world. I remember ending up at her WLA branch in the Marina, a large group of us had been out celebrating graduation.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Evan, upon seeing the shape we were in, told one of her waiters (paraphrasing), bring them pizzas, on the house & keep them coming until they look half way sober. She was great.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        kevin RE: engie Oct 15, 2013 04:44 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        That's fucking awesome.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Where did you go to school and when was this ????

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I still wish she had her cafe around.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          engie RE: kevin Oct 15, 2013 05:15 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Southern California Institute of Architecture, I graduated in '99, back then it was located on Beethoven just north of Jefferson.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Yes - I wish her places were still around too. She's left my school before I graduated and I remember missing her and her great food. She also catered a lot of the school's functions.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            kevin RE: engie Oct 15, 2013 05:18 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            That's interesting. Beethoven and Jefferson ? In Culver City ?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              engie RE: kevin Oct 16, 2013 08:29 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              That area is Los Angeles, anyway the school moved from that location, now they're just east of down town.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                kevin RE: engie Oct 16, 2013 10:50 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Ok.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Here's hoping Evan opens a new cafe or restaurant soon.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      b. delish RE: dtm323 Aug 26, 2013 07:59 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      How often I've longed for Ports on Santa Monica Blvd. The best pot stickers and Chinese chicken salad, et.al. Dimly lit. Frank + Ella on the jukebox. What more you could ask for?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        melangeinc RE: b. delish Aug 27, 2013 09:16 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        What a great place -eclectic cooking before there was eclectic cooking - What about The Studio Grill

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          innatestyle RE: b. delish Oct 13, 2013 02:03 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Ports hosted an amazing Halloween Party once. The entirety was decorated like the interior of an aquarium. Ports was always reliably fun! Thank you b.delish!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          josephnl RE: dtm323 Aug 26, 2013 09:17 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Does anyone here remember Cheerio (or was it Cheerio's) in Santa Monica? It was the quitessential British pub/restaurant. Great drinks...with wonderful meatballs to snack on. Terrific prime rib and other traditional dishes. And...a memorable pubby ambiance not seen anywhere this side of the pond in many years.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            malibumike RE: josephnl Aug 27, 2013 08:50 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Yes, we got married Dec 14, 1973 at the Santa Monica courthouse and went across(almost) the street and had prime rib, some of the best I have ever had - great memories, Too bad it's gone. I think it was "Cheerio's"

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              SilverlakeGirl RE: josephnl Oct 16, 2013 06:40 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              My favorite of that genre was the "Mucky Duck" in Santa Monica on Third street where "Michael's" is now. My brother and I went there often as teenagers.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              They are still the standard for fish and chips in my mind.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Sadly, it closed and someone bought the name. They opened an inferior British pub on Ocean and ruined the name for me.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              malibumike RE: dtm323 Aug 28, 2013 08:42 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Problaby closed in the 70's but Pickle Bill's on Pico bl in eastern Santa Monica had the best hot roast beef sandwiches around. Started sometime in the 40's to serve the many workers at Douglas aircraft on Ocean Park Bl.The site is now occupied by a McDees.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                kevin RE: dtm323 Aug 28, 2013 10:21 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Does anyone remember Flakey Jakes ????

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Servorg RE: kevin Aug 28, 2013 10:51 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I remember the one that replaced the Scotch & Sirloin at the corner of Sepulveda and Pico (IIRC?)...It was pretty good for what it was.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    kevin RE: Servorg Aug 28, 2013 10:54 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    That's the one i was thinking of, yeah, somewhere on pico near sepulveda.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      VenusCafe RE: kevin Nov 6, 2013 12:41 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Pico and Sepulveda, Pico and Sepulveda, Pico and Sepulveda
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      where nobody's dream comes true!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  carter RE: dtm323 Aug 28, 2013 04:38 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Like Ciao Bob, more than a little late to this 291 entry post.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  As mentioned City Cafe was next door to the original LA Eyeworks. Some of the most innovative food for its time.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Other places mentioned throughout that I fondly remember starts out with one of the most beautiful restaurants ever - Le Chardonnay. I only mention this first, as its co-owner Robert Bigonner passed away about 2 weeks ago.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Loved the look, really enjoyed the food and warmth of both place and host(s).
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Scandia on Sunset, where I would ONLY eat in the bar, never the dining room. Still have a similar preference at Taix on Sunset in Echo Park.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  The original Cyrano on the Sunset Strip - omg, if I only had all the money I invested in those tabs.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Chez Helene on south Beverly Drive, now home to Urth Caffe. That was a special place in an out of the way kind of location for BH at the time.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Then there was the original Cafe Blanc on Beverly Blvd. east of Vermont, at the bottom of the hill. I was working part time at the Wine Reserve in Glendale (rip) and many special wine-tasting dinners were there. I donated serving services for food and beverage. Only wines being poured were French Burgs or the finest of German Reislings, as the store only sold wines from those regions. Great way to learn and enjoy, in no particular order.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Wines started from the 85 vintage!!!
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Tomi Harase could realllllly cook(and still can, maybe in the OC).

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    kevin RE: carter Aug 28, 2013 06:37 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Damn. You
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Had to fucking remind me of Cafe Blanc. That was some of the finest curtains I have ever had.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Ok. My brow beaten face is filled with a deluge of tears.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    And now I need a drink. :(

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      JAB RE: kevin Aug 28, 2013 06:59 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      What are these curtains of which you speak?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        kevin RE: JAB Aug 28, 2013 07:56 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Curtains ?????

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Sorry. I must have meant tears.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          JAB RE: kevin Aug 28, 2013 08:07 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Some of the finest tears that you've ever had?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Servorg RE: JAB Aug 28, 2013 08:28 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            And people wonder why classic comedic routines get brought up (and shot down) on these threads...

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              JAB RE: Servorg Aug 28, 2013 08:30 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I'm just trying to learn a 2nd language.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              kevin RE: JAB Aug 29, 2013 01:53 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Yes. Very much so. Sadly.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Thor123 RE: kevin Oct 13, 2013 10:49 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Tears??????? What the f.... you talking about Willis?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                kevin RE: Thor123 Oct 14, 2013 11:59 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I have shed many fucking tears over the closing of Cafe Blanc.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        josephnl RE: dtm323 Aug 28, 2013 08:09 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Does anyone remember a little French bistro in Westwood called La Grange? I remember many good times there. I think our waiter was...who else, but Pierre!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          maudies5 RE: josephnl Aug 28, 2013 09:08 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          It was amusing to hear the restaurant called La Grange with French pronunciation and then describe the restaurant as La Grange on "La Graynge."

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            melangeinc RE: josephnl Aug 29, 2013 10:58 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            When I first came over from UK ,my date and I went out in a foursome with Randy Newman and his wife to La Grange, his choice - this was his favorite restaurant -great night

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Artemis53 RE: josephnl Dec 13, 2013 08:53 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I loved this place! The La Grange made AUTHENTIC Caesar salads...coddled egg, anchovies, etc. I used to have a salad from there twice a week in the 80s. I wonder when they closed their doors. I have one of their matchbooks, but I didn 't need a matchbook to remember them.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Mas o Menos RE: dtm323 Aug 28, 2013 09:17 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Weight Watcher's Restaurant – N. side of Pico, E. of Robertson - L.A. (Unknown lady's name, Virginia?) - 1970's?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                foodhappy RE: dtm323 Aug 29, 2013 09:15 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                To this day, I miss"Anna Maria's," which was an Italian restaurant that was located in Santa Monica on Wilshire & 4th St, (now Wahoo Fish Taco) and their other location was on La Brea (now PIPS on La Brea). I miss their marinara sauce which was so garlicky & wonderful!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  trimtab RE: dtm323 Aug 29, 2013 11:52 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  A regular stop for me was Mustache Cafe, just across from the Improv. Great souffles! If you had a nice car it got parked right in front.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I have the recipe for that souffle chocolat au chaud. It's a must now and then.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      MOUSTACHE CAFE'S CHOCOLATE SOUFFLE

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      2 tbsp. butter
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      2 tbsp. sugar
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      6 oz. dark sweet chocolate
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1 c. sugar, divided
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      3 oz. milk
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      4 egg yolks
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      6 egg whites
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Powdered sugar
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Whipped cream for garnish
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Preheat oven to 350 degrees. Butter 6 individual souffle dishes and sprinkle with sugar.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      In a saucepan combine chocolate, 2/3 cup sugar and milk. Cook until chocolate is melted. Pour into a mixing bowl and add egg yolks. Mix well and set aside.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      In another mixing bowl beat egg whites until foamy. Gradually add sugar and beat until stiff. Fold half of meringue into chocolate mixture until well blended. Repeat with remaining half.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Pour into souffle dishes and bake for 20 minutes. Remove from oven and sprinkle with powdered sugar. Serve by itself or with whipped cream on the side. 6 servings.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        kevin RE: innatestyle Oct 15, 2013 04:16 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Dope. Where did you get the recipe from ??????????

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Thanks.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          innatestyle RE: kevin Oct 15, 2013 04:37 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Dope? Really? How nicely phrased. You're welcome.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            kevin RE: innatestyle Oct 15, 2013 04:45 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Dope = sounds good.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Please excuse my bastardization of the English language.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            But you might just get used to it if you frequent this board a little too long.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I haven't seen such from among other contributors, nor heard it spoken among friends or acquaintances. Excuse accepted with thanks. I suspect slang comes across better in person with a wink and a grin rather than in type. Warning about the blog heeded, again thanks!
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Personnellement, je préfère parler anglais dans sa forme la plus pure ainsi que le français aussi.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Enjoy your soufflé!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                kevin RE: innatestyle Oct 15, 2013 05:05 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                thanks, by the way.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Have you ever tried the souffle at Cafe Jacqueline in SF ? thought you might have. Worth a try ?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  innatestyle RE: kevin Oct 15, 2013 05:12 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Kevin, Food in SF has always been amazing, hasn't it. But I'm really out of touch so I don't know Jacqueline. Is it current and you recommend it? Love a good souffle.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Maybe you can help me out with a place that was on Fillmore in the 80's, considered very hot, very cutting edge 'California Cuisine.' The chef was a young, good looking guy named, I think, Brian. He was 'ok' as a person but he made chile rellenos I still dream about! Unforgettable.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Artemis53 RE: trimtab Dec 13, 2013 08:55 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Funny, I am going through my matchbook collection and found one from the 80s.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      maudies5 RE: dtm323 Oct 13, 2013 10:29 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      We loved Chianti on Melrose. Does anyone else remember the fried cream they would serve with the entrees? Hard to believe that The Village Idiot was once the home to one of the most romantic restaurants in town.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        josephnl RE: maudies5 Oct 15, 2013 05:47 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Loves, loved, loved Chianti...until it was bought by the Prego chain.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          jesstifer RE: maudies5 Oct 16, 2013 01:03 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Chianti for Village Idiot: a very bad trade. I remember lobbying for it as the best darkest restaurant in LA at the time. Wait staff carried flashlights.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Little known but never forgotten are Moskva Cliff for their Chicken Kiev, Mandarin Cove for their fabulous oyster dishes, Josephina's for their pizza and Papa Choux for the ambience

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            chuck RE: mucho gordo Oct 13, 2013 06:28 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            We went to Moska Cliffs many times but there was a small Italian retaurant down the street on Venture Blvd called Villa Castriota. It was in what was probably a house originally. I believe that they lost their lease and moved to Woodland Hills. They didn't last very long at the new location.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              VenusCafe RE: chuck Oct 15, 2013 08:04 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Wow! that mention of Moska Cliffs brings back memories.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              We ate there often, but I now have trouble remembering
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              what street it was on.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Do you recall the street, Chuck?
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I'd love to know.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Moskva Cliff Restaurant
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                12616 Ventura Boulevard
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Studio City

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  carter RE: Servorg Oct 15, 2013 09:25 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Currently home to Big Mama's Pizzeria, just east of Belwood Bakery.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    kevin RE: Servorg Oct 15, 2013 04:16 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    What was Moskva Cliff all about ?????

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      mucho gordo RE: kevin Oct 16, 2013 11:03 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      It was Russian food. Their Chicken Kiev was superb.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Kate is always hungry RE: Servorg Oct 16, 2013 09:24 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I went past Moskva Cliff more times than I can remember but never ate there. My friend always raved about the place.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Here are some others I missed:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Chuck's Better Burgers
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      House of Kwong
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Chasen's
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Perino's
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Two Dollar Bill's
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Diamond Jim's

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Here are the ones I made it to, and some I miss.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Steak Pit
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Nickodell's
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Jan's (original owner)
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Biff's
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Tick Tock, went there the last day
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Dino's Pizzeria
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Steak Burger
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Red Lantern Inn
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Mancini's Pizza
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Valley Ranch BBQ
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Jean's Blue Room
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Jason's in Westwood
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Alexis Greek Market (when it was a Greek market in Northridge with a sandwich counter, not a full service restaurant)
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Vickman's
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Jolly Roger's
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Morigi's
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Pioneer Boulangerie
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      The Pronto Room at Bullock's Sherman Oaks
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Al Penny's
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      La Strega
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Da Vita's (or was it Di Vita's) on La Brea

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I'm sure I missed a lot, but it's a start.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        mucho gordo RE: Kate is always hungry Oct 17, 2013 11:51 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        A big YES on Nickodell's and Jan's. I was there in the 60's, when did Jan's change ownership? I loved their chili size and hamburger royale. Down the street from Jan's back then was Smokey Joe's BBQ for great beans and stuff.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          wienermobile RE: mucho gordo Oct 17, 2013 12:00 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          That was right by the original location of Tail O' The Pup next to Beverly Park Kiddy Land.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            mucho gordo RE: wienermobile Oct 17, 2013 12:22 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            IIRC, It was across the street from the Tail on the SW corner where the center is now.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            innatestyle RE: mucho gordo Oct 17, 2013 12:25 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            There was Oblatt's just off Melrose and opposite the 'old' gate at Paramount, around the corner from the original Western Costume building. Great old character waitresses and a wonderful chopped salad.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I encountered an old character recently who had been the manager of Duke's at the Tropicana. Remember the Duke's Special sandwich? STACKED layers of paper thin sliced very rare roast beef, a layer of very thin slices of red onion on sourdough bread with blue cheese dressing. Did I really eat like this?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              sel RE: innatestyle Oct 19, 2013 08:24 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I have a pumpkin orange t-shirt that says:
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              "Oblath's
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Since 1923
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Hollywood, Calif."
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              The guys that lived in the house next door when was a kid were costumers. One worked at Paramount, the other at Western Costume. Sometimes they would tale me to lunch at Oblath's but it's been so long.....wish I remembered the chow!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                innatestyle RE: sel Oct 19, 2013 11:37 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I had a good friend who worked at Western for many years. The OLD payphone booth in the lobby, they actually had a telephone operator with a switchboard next to it. The building was nearly historic. The TALENT in that building, the designers, workers, craftsmanship and tailoring were unbelievable. The men and women left behind by the closing of the film studios enjoyed such detailed training. And one would meet them at Oblaths, at Nickodell's. etc. I remember sitting with Charles LeMaire one evening at Le Restaurant. What a talent. Later I got to know the late Theadora van Runkle who designed Faye Dunaway's amazing clothes for 'The Thomas Crown Affair.' You're so lucky to have known those neighbors. Please treasure that t-shirt! REALLY!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I really loved Nickodell's and I was lucky to eat there one last time before they closed. Jan's changed ownership in the mid 80s, I think. I seem to recall the new owners let go of all or most of the veteran waitresses and there was picketing outside.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              mucho gordo RE: Kate is always hungry Oct 17, 2013 12:26 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              A better and more upscale coffee shop than Jan's was Lou Silver's in BH. Lou was behind the counter every morning serving great breakfasts.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                innatestyle RE: mucho gordo Oct 17, 2013 12:56 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Perhaps better food, but at Duke's you sat with every rock star and heard all the great stories.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  mucho gordo RE: innatestyle Oct 17, 2013 01:24 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Back then I worked for the BH Post Office. I delivered mail to most of the stars and heard their stories first-hand.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      maudies5 RE: dtm323 Oct 13, 2013 03:28 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      The Corkscrew on San Vicente is where the locals went for steaks and cocktails. Had the only full liquor license in Brentwood until Hamlet

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        josephnl RE: dtm323 Oct 15, 2013 05:49 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Has anyone mentioned the Chronicle in Pasadena? 'Twas one of my faves.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          innatestyle RE: josephnl Oct 15, 2013 10:18 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          The Chronicle had a 'sister' branch on Main St. and Ocean Park in Santa Monica. There is a weekly Farmer's Market in that parking lot.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I'm born and raised in LA, lived here all but 3 yrs of my 50 yrs. Many great memories here and I was fortunate to dine in many of these great places.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I moved to Los Feliz in '86 so I'll mention that area:
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          On Hillhurst we had Pierre's Los Feliz Inn (I hung out here a lot to listen to jazz with manager Raquel in what I imagine was similar decor to the playboy mansion), Michael's of Los Feliz, Sansui, Duplex (can't remember the prior name, but was also Vida in the 90s), Katsu, Farfalla (actually started out in just the space that is currently the kitchen), Two guys from Mars (crazy hot dogs), Mr C's (my favorite watering hole, currently Mexico City). There was a great boutique wine shop just down from Yucca's, can't remember the name, that I frequented. Over on Sunset we had LA Nicola which was a trend setting eatery by Larry Nicola.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            innatestyle RE: Grog Oct 15, 2013 10:28 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I'd forgotten LA Nicola and it's chain-link entry. Great place! That was the beginning of my discovery of Silverlake. I lived a great deal in Santa Monica right on or near Ocean Ave so Silverlake needed to be a destination. LA Nicola became that destination like so many good restaurants, now gone. This blog almost breaks my heart. So MUCH was really happening, really good!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              New Trial RE: Grog Oct 15, 2013 11:55 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Larry Nicola can now be found at Nic's Beverly Hill's, noted for, among other things, its vodka bar.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                kevin RE: New Trial Oct 16, 2013 10:50 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                How was the food in Nicola Silver Lake ??????

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  SilverlakeGirl RE: kevin Oct 16, 2013 06:34 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I remember it with great fondness. I followed his moves in the industry from a place downtown to a Mexican bar in Hollywood.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  He was a very personable guy.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Nicola's was where Malo is today. Right across the street is a grocery I used to go to occasionally that had been run by his two uncles. It is in the area where Saito's Sushi is today.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    kevin RE: SilverlakeGirl Oct 17, 2013 12:59 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I missed the "Mucky Duck" too.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Supposedly it was the inspiration for the bar in "Three's Co" ???/

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Any truth to that ?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      SilverlakeGirl RE: kevin Oct 17, 2013 03:25 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I don't know. But the Mucky Duck on Third Street was a very wonderful place. For me, filled with terrific memories.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        yogachik RE: kevin Oct 19, 2013 08:50 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        No, the inspiration for the bar in Three's Company is/was Chez Jay.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          kevin RE: yogachik Oct 19, 2013 11:31 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I thought it was Chez Jay too, but someone else mentioned it was the Mucky Duck, which I have never been to before.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  annie RE: Grog Oct 16, 2013 05:07 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Does anyone remember a strange restaurant called "Gloria's" on Sunset near the present SL farmer's market? It was quite a trippy place, with fountains, plants and all kinds of bric-a-brac inside?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    SilverlakeGirl RE: annie Oct 16, 2013 06:24 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Yes, I loved it. Gloria still runs "Gloria's El Buen Comer" in Silverlake. And recently shut down "Reservoir" by the current LAMilll location.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    But the location on Sunset was my favorite ... very casual sit down dinner, well prepared.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    carter RE: Grog Oct 16, 2013 06:04 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Mark & Stephanie Carter's Duplex was a very good restaurant, especially for the time & neighborhood.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    When LA Nicola closed up shop, it became Cobalt Cantina, which had quite good food with even better drinks.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    The 2nd one that opened in Weho could never equal the Sunset Blvd. location.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    jesstifer RE: dtm323 Oct 16, 2013 01:38 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Anelcy's on Melrose (?) in what's now K-town had the best veggie burrito in the world. Tomatoes and avocado sliced to order.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      kevin RE: jesstifer Oct 16, 2013 10:50 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Sounds good, anything comparable these days in LA ?????

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      innatestyle RE: dtm323 Oct 16, 2013 09:51 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Does anyone recall Roy's on Sunset? I'm fairly certain that's the current location of the House of Blues!? Roy's was so much fun.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        FED RE: dtm323 Oct 17, 2013 09:42 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        One I don't think anyone has mentioned yet (apologies if they have): Sofi's on Third Street. Unfortunately WAY ahead of its time with really sophisticated Greek food. And that back patio with the huge tree ... really a wonderful place.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          BHAppeal RE: FED Oct 17, 2013 11:59 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Sofi's is still around....

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            FED RE: BHAppeal Oct 17, 2013 03:19 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            same name, but sofi is long gone, at least she was 10-15 years ago. anyone eaten there recently?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              carter RE: FED Oct 17, 2013 08:32 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              The last time I ate there was probably 15 years ago, and the food then was not very good, and she was there.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              But even then, the place was very tired, poorly maintained, and quite uninviting.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Papuli RE: dtm323 Oct 18, 2013 07:56 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I work at KCET and one of our freelancers has been writing about LA's long-gone restaurants. She tackled Ma Maison recently: http://www.kcet.org/living/food/the-n...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          There's a segment in that piece about Robin Leach having sex right there in the dining room. This surprised me; come to find out he was infamous for that kind of stuff.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I'll have to point her in the direction of this thread for any further '80s restaurant articles! She did interview Mike Feig, who cooked there for a time, but seems like you all would be a pretty excellent resource, too.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            innatestyle RE: Papuli Oct 18, 2013 12:08 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Orson Welles was quite famous for having 'his' table at Ma Maison, and the place was infamous for the line of Rolls-Royce's and Ferrari's up front each day at lunch. 'Mere' Mercedes, Cadillacs and Lincolns failed to qualify.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            This was really the first foray of higher end restaurants and eventually retail east of La Cienega. Thus began the gentrification of West Hollywood, back when Starbucks was a paint store and the space housing Rage was a table saw showroom. Cecconi's and the space behind it were both auto mechanics. Oh, to have shopped less at Jerry Magnin's and the old Maxfield and bought some of that luscious real estate! Sheldon Andelson, Phyllis Morris and Tony Duquette you were all SO smart!
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I hadn't heard of Robin Leach in the very early 80's, but Joe Namath and Warren Beatty had 'reputations,' clearly. Oh, and Tony Danza up at El Privado above Carlos 'n Charlies. Up there he ruled as I recall it; women surrounded him.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              kevin RE: innatestyle Oct 18, 2013 03:34 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              You mean Sheldon Adelson, right ??? without the n ?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              The las vegas casino tycoon and mogul ????

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Those were the days.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                innatestyle RE: kevin Oct 18, 2013 03:49 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Absolutely not! Sheldon Andelson with a big 'N' in there. Sheldon died of AIDS in the 1987. He was very, very active in promoting the mass migration of the LA Gay Community from downtown L.A., where they were then harassed by the LAPD, to West Hollywood, which was then county land and thus the LAPD could not set foot there.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                He was the first openly Gay member of the UC Board of Regents, appointed by then Governor Jerry Brown. He was active in B'Nai B'rith, a co-founder of the Bank of Los Angeles, a fundraiser for both Ted Kennedy & Walter Mondale. He was a co-founder and promoter of MOCA. He persuaded Gov. Brown to appoint Rand Schrader to the L.A. Municipal Court Bench. When Schrader died of AIDS he left his insurance policy to his life-partner David Bohnett who used the funds to finance founding Geocities. He was also the backer of Trumps, decorated by his own life-partner Waldo, as I understand it.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                ANdelson lured all the Interior Design businesses, Gay Bars & Gay Men out of downtown and reinvented West Hollywood, which was a sleepy borough of retired or retiring craftsmen & electricians of the various movie studios which were all shutting down their backlots at that time. It was a near ghost town.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Both Mr. Andelson and Mr. Adelson would have shuddered at your suggestion - lol. Andelson was brilliant, a barracuda apparently, but brilliant!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  kevin RE: innatestyle Oct 19, 2013 11:34 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  My bad and utter ignorance.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Thanks for the clarification and background history.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I never knew he was the one that rebuilt WH.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  very interesting story.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    innatestyle RE: kevin Oct 20, 2013 02:46 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I've long had a hope or conceptt that 'someone' would write their dissertation on economics based on the transformation and influence West Hollywood. From a sleepy hamlet surrounded by Hollywood & Beverly Hills, well, look at what it has become. The center of the boutiques, restaurants and many of the galleries of Los Angeles. Culver City was inevitable and now it's happening there. But the 80's were special, electric & exciting, and of course tragic because of AIDS.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Papuli RE: innatestyle Oct 18, 2013 06:30 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Yep, she touched on those points in the article! It sounds like a wild time ... fitting, I suppose, that its closure was due in some part to a famous murder.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  innatestyle RE: Papuli Oct 18, 2013 11:41 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Oh, I don't think there was any connection to Dominique Dunne's murder or the subsequent trial. Nouvelle Cuisine was hitting the states, hotter, hipper, younger style places were beginning to happen. Wolfgang opened Spago and Michael's had opened in Santa Monica. Those were revolutions. I think Patrick Terrail had enjoyed a phenomenal run and called it a day. This may be completely incorrect but I recall hearing he had sole custody of his daughter and moved to Florida to focus on raising her.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  One thing Ma Maison promoted which was so much fun was the annual Waiter's Races. Waiters would RUN with a tray, on it an open bottle of wine with two wineglasses half full. Spillage or breakage meant disqualification. I recall one waiter winning from a restaurant on Doheny near 3rd St. winning repeatedly. It was a lark!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                kevin RE: Papuli Oct 18, 2013 03:33 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Sex in the dining room ?????

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Damn, that's pretty fucking intense.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                But I'd definitely like to read the link thansk man.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  wienermobile RE: kevin Oct 18, 2013 03:37 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I would see May West at Man Fook Low all the time with her male entourage back in the 70's

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Thor123 RE: dtm323 Nov 2, 2013 03:03 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                What was the place in Beverly Glen that was in an old house in the middle of the canyon?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Cafe Four Oaks

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  See this: http://la.eater.com/archives/2013/07/...

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    mucho gordo RE: Servorg Nov 2, 2013 03:36 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    The only restaurant in a house that I can recall was the Coolibah in Ojai

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Thor123 RE: Servorg Nov 2, 2013 05:07 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Knew you knew!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Our son attended Le Lycee Francais from K thru 6th grade and the school organized a beaujolais nouveau dinner at the Four Oaks every year - and which we attended a few times.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Thor123 RE: Servorg Nov 2, 2013 06:38 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Long strange trip it's been....

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        josephnl RE: Servorg Nov 3, 2013 08:57 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Loved the Four Oaks. What's there now??

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          innatestyle RE: josephnl Nov 3, 2013 09:17 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          It seems new life has come into Cafe Four Oaks, and I say bravo! In a city and world currently filled with hip, slick, modern look alike restaurants and hotels, let us hope Four Oaks keeps it's nostalgic feel and spirit along with good, fresh, garden to plate cuisine. I knew Four Oaks from the eighties to it's closing. Beautiful, simply beautiful! Read on, please:
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