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Can anyone tell me where City Cafe was located on Melrose before it moved to La Brea?

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  1. North side of Melrose, east of La Brea a few blocks, right next to LA Eyeworks.

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    1. re: Burger Boy

      You've got it too far east. It was east of Fairfax but west of La Brea (between N Vista and N Martel). I ate at at the original Border Grill right after it opened (replacing the original City Cafe after it moved to La Brea and was renamed the CITY Restaurant).

      1. re: Servorg

        I think he's got it. I recall wine margaritas at that Border Grill.

        1. re: Burger Boy

          It was next to LA Eyeworks because that was the partners' first enterprise, as I remember it. The photographer who shot all the Eyeworks ads, Greg Gorman, had a freebie deal going with City Cafe and then CITY. We'd met him in Nashville and taken him to the Loveless, so when we were next in LA he took us to CITY. That was the first time we'd ever made a meal of appetizers, and it was brilliant. I remember especially the skinned red peppers stuffed with goat cheese - Mrs. O hates sweet peppers, so I got all of them. Yum!

          1. re: Burger Boy

            The replies to this thread have been wonderful. I have a question: what was it about the 80s restaurants that made them so memorable — not that today's aren't, but what made the 80s places amazing?

            1. re: dtm323

              Los Angeles in the 80s was a very cool time. The Olympics were coming and there was a general sense of "New Wave" optimism, forward thinking and a willingness to experiment.

              1. re: dtm323

                It was totally rad :)

                Actually it was the time when many ethnic cuisines were emerging, thanks to large waves of immigration from Asia, Latin America and the Middle East between the late 1960s and mid-1970s. In the '80s, sushi hit the mainstream, Thai food was well-known locally, Korean BBQ was emerging, and the Mexican food menu became more than just tacos and burritos. In the '80s, the Iskenderian family first brought their Zankou Chicken restaurant to the US at Sunset & Normandie, and the El Pollo Loco restaurant chain in Mexico also opened up its first US location on Alvarado. In the '80s, L.A. was no longer just a place famous for chili burgers, cobb salad and french dip sandwiches, but a hotbed of diverse international cuisines.

            2. Title is misleading. I was all excited to discuss Muse, Tommy Tangs, Bistango, and more

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              1. re: yogachik

                Sorry, you're absolutely right! Let's discuss! I loved Tommy Tangs. I didn't move here until 87 though, so I missed out on a lot of great eating. Tell me about everything I missed!

                1. re: dtm323

                  City, Rex, Ma Maison, St. Estephe., 385 North, Chianti/Cucina, L'Orangerie at its peak, L'ermitage, Trumps, west Beach, upstairs at Sushi on Sunset, original Michael's, Citrus.

                  I remember Muse fondly. It was quite a cool scene. We'd live it up as kids drinking $10-12 bottles of Piper Sonoma off of their list.

                  1. re: john gonzales

                    Ah the memories!

                    A couple to add - 72 Market St., 7th St. Bistro, Rockenwagner, Rebecca's.

                    1. re: foodiemahoodie

                      Yes, a few more favorites from the era.
                      Rockenwagner became my go to hig-end spot in the later 80s when it was in the Edgemar/Gehry buliding. I just remenisced as I drove by it yesterday. The crab souffle, potato chip napoleon with salmon and caviar, anything with white saparagus, and his bread were all stars.

                      I still make the meatloaf recipe from 72 Market St. which is in the first Silver Palate cookbook.

                      Ahhh, the duckmeat chile relleno at Rebecca's with some damned good (and potent) margs.

                      1. re: john gonzales

                        One really important "new comer" to the LA restaurant scene opened its doors in 1982. Spago at 8795 W. Sunset Blvd. came into existence and became a celebrity/star/mover & shaker magnet for the LA "power" dining scene.

                        1. re: Servorg

                          Yep, I didn't include it because Wolf was at Ma Maison and I didn't want to double-dip. I didn't realize that the original Spago opened so early, and would have guessed 85. Remember those crappy plastic chairs they had in their frist few years?
                          I think many people also forget how classic and advanced Michael's was when it first opened. They were doing seasonal, farm-to-table stuff 30+ years ago. Chez Panisse (which just re-opened) blazed the trail but Michael's carved a niche in being a bit more sophisticated.

                          1. re: Servorg

                            The original Spago was one of a kind. Bernard was one of a kind too and pocketed a fortune from patrons vying for the best table. He then opened an ill fated restaurant of his own - the name escapes me. In any event, the original Spago was a unique place and far more hip and fun than the current incarnation.

                            1. re: Thor123

                              I agree. Had more fun at the old (very noisy) place on Sunset. Loved the spot, the size, everything. I even ended up dating the lovely hostess. Almost committed a felony in the main room. And once got mobbed by paparazzi in the parking lot (which was great, because I was there with someone who was impressed by such things - and in the middle of negotiation.) Turns out they thought I was a member of The Eagles.

                              Except I never really got the food, never understood was so great about it. Much prefer the food at the newer Spago's. (Sorry, haven't been there since remodel and the new menu. BEFORE that.)

                              But yes, the BH location has a middle aged lunch lady feel to the location. Didn't have the hip glamour of the Sunset location - which for some reason has been dormant all these years. What a great location for a restaurant. But why so dead?

                              1. re: foodiemahoodie

                                I think the issue is parking. Parking was always bad there.

                                1. re: foodiemahoodie

                                  I'm not sure the style of the original Spago would have lasted. It was cool, but it was not real comfortable. Maybe it needed to be more upper-crust and formal?
                                  The BH Spago has been remodeled, with a more modern/chic look. Personally I don't like it a lot. I kind of liked the older school less open style though it did need SOME updating. I also can't stand to think of Waldo the designer as he and I had some real unpleasantries on a home project we both worked on.

                                  1. re: john gonzales

                                    John, As for Ma Maison, do you recall the waiter's races from those days? Ma Maison hosted it. I was really quite full of myself that I was about 19 yrs old but I had that unlisted phone number & could get a table, but then I was treated beautifully by Hernando Courtright at the Beverly Wilshire when I needed suites for guests or clients on short notice. L.A. was a small town.
                                    We could talk about Waldo. Again, I feel I must know you.

                                2. re: Thor123

                                  I think Bernard is a GM at Aureole in Vegas.

                                  1. re: Thor123

                                    I just remembered Bernard's place. It was Eclipse.

                                3. re: john gonzales

                                  There was also Splichal's Beverly Hills restaurant, Max au Triangle.

                                  1. re: New Trial

                                    Good one! I could I have forgot? I remember the Lobster Lobster Lobster menu.

                                    Kind of hard to find.

                                  2. re: john gonzales

                                    I loved Rockenwagner when Hans was on Abbott Kinney. The patio was intimate, charming, romantic, and the food was out of this world!

                                  3. re: foodiemahoodie

                                    Trumps! I remember Trumps. And City!

                                    West Beach, 72 Market St, Rebecca's, those were all such great restaurants. I remember that 72 Market St had great fried chicken and you'd often find Dudley Moore playing piano.

                                    I have to say, the thai food at Tommy Tangs in those first years was really really good. He introduced thai to LA (1st Chan Dara was open, on Cahuenga, and better, but TT had the hip scene)

                                    1. re: yogachik

                                      Michael Roberts of Trumps was a visionary. We used to go there twice a week. He introduced us to a different way of eating. His food was creative and marvelous. Tony Bill and Leonard Schwartz of 72 Market made homey food cool. "Kiss ass chili, meat loaf and mashed potatoes all great. As a sad post script ,Michael Roberts died young from complications of a form of Lou Gherigs disease. Tony and Leonard closed 72 and opened Maple drive. That venue really never worked. Also, I believe Grill on the Alley was born. First time I ever saw fhe mix of French fries and fried onions. Big shout out to Bob Spivack...another visionary
                                      B

                                      1. re: maudies5

                                        Spivak. Knew him way back when he had his first restaurant. It was born around microwave ovens and his dad's creation - Smokey Joe's BBQ.

                                        The place would heat up food in unshielded, high-powered microwaves and serve it on plates. No cooking done on the premises, just heating up. Fine for the ribs and beans , but the sandwiches which were heated up in the microwave? And you'd get that chewy bread?

                                        Wasn't a good idea and it closed. Later he would pull off The Grill and the Daily Grills..

                                        Little known fact about Bob - I believe he competed and won the 100 meter at the Macabbiahn (sp?) games.

                                        1. re: maudies5

                                          God we loved the meat loaf and chili at 72 Market!

                                          Anyone remember The Windsor tucked in behind the Ambassador Hotel? It was a great old traditional spot with professional older waiters who knew how to make a great Caesar salad at the table, and would flame the Duck à l'Orange at the table with Grand Marnier so that the skin was crispy deliciousness. Those days are sadly gone.

                                          ...or the wonderful food at Scandia. These classics are sorely missed.

                                          1. re: josephnl

                                            The Windsor was on one side of the street, The Cove on the other side.

                                            1. re: mc michael

                                              Yes...I completely forgot about the Cove. Nothing like those spots today...Dan Tana is about as close as you can get.

                                              1. re: josephnl

                                                Oh, the Cove does bring back memories. I was only in my 20s when a date started taking me there, but that was one place that made one feel like a real grownup. Especially the vodka gimlets.

                                          2. re: maudies5

                                            I loved 72, loved it, and I love The Grill: Great burgers, great fries, great caesar salad. BUT, you must ask, sotto voce, if they have the sole or the soft shell crab, never on the menu. They're pure heaven.
                                            Oddly my best friend, a 6'4" former model, can eat about four of the kid's sized chicken pot pies - lol!

                                            1. re: yogachik

                                              Bangkok one introduced me to Thai food in the late 70s, which probably predates both Tommy Tangs ('82), and Chan Dara which opened about 30 years ago. When Thai food came to LA, I thought i'd died and gone to heaven.

                                          3. re: john gonzales

                                            Great 80s memories, especially L'Orangerie and Citrus on Melrose. Delicious Ossetra "eggs" and Michel was doing some amazing stuff. Original Patina on Melrose was great too

                                            1. re: Ernie

                                              Another place we liked back in the day was La Toque, the Ken Frank place on Sunset. Even though it opened in '79 we didn't start going until 1983 when I came back to LA from working in Saudi for a few years. I think he ran it for something on the order of 15 years. He was a young chef (24 IIRC) when he opened it. It was a small place, but the cooking was large.

                                              1. re: Servorg

                                                La Toque was great. I believe that Ken Frank was one of Michael's original chefs. Ken Frank was the first (as I recall) to offer a full truffle tasting menu, including ice cream. Pretty damn fabulous. Last I heard he was in Napa. Brilliant chef!

                                                1. re: maudies5

                                                  Ken was/is a master with foie gras. He also was the one to give Brooke Williamson her start.

                                                2. re: Servorg

                                                  It was excellent Too bad he didn't have the financial clout to keep it going.

                                            2. re: dtm323

                                              Well, i've been thinking. There were many small places, small, but very good:
                                              Roda Rumet on La Cie, near Melrose, The Melting Pot, where we brought high ladders and shot our senior project, Mediterania up the street, Nowhere Cafe at Erewhon, loved Quinn's for products and snacks, Bono's, La Masia, Mario's, the Bratskeller and Arthur's in Westwood. In a previous post, mentioned my first Thai food at Bangkok One on La Brea. What fun.

                                              In BH, there was Chasen's, La Dulce Vita, Tail of the Cock (ugh), Perino's where, in the '60s, I once had a side of 12 peas for $3.50, Konditori, charming, quaint and impressed NYers, and my fave, Bistro Garden where they treated us to
                                              LA's first 'Chef's Table' and treated us to the 1st tasting menu every time we came in. They just really loved us! The big guns were always upstairs!

                                              In Hollywood and what became WeHo, there was Martoni's, Orion's, Nuclear Nuance, The Carriage House, and Ben Franks. Then there was our main hangout place, where the waiters never stopped bringing us food and sat down with us to talk about their love life... *Fellini's*!
                                              I still remember one waiter giving us a tape of his song "Take a Hike"

                                              On the Westside, Chicago Pizza Works, Stellini's,
                                              Al Penny's was then the only restaurant in CC. Always crowded; we went b/c they were still open at 2AM, a sure deviation from the LA norm.

                                              In SM, there was a restaurant, can't remember the name, we went there often; it was right next to One Life on Main, and really good. Does anyone remember it? Also on Main St, there was the Oar House, a meat market with sawdust and great bar food. Also, The Great American Food and Beverage Co; enormous plates of food brought to you by singing waiters. Also Wildflower on Main, where shooting up in the booths was not uncommon. A restaurant sister, clean and family safe, Earth Wind and Flour is still on Wilshire. Madame Wu's nearby on Wilshire also, and as someone else mentioned, the student's prince of pizza, Barbera's

                                              Loved this era. Some of these places may have been bigger in the'70s, and may not have lasted long into the'80s, but most made it through.

                                              1. re: VenusCafe

                                                Le Central? It was next next to One Life.

                                                1. re: VenusCafe

                                                  Venus, can you or anyone recall the rather Gourmet Health Market that was originally on the south side of the Blue Whale/Pacific Design Center? The decor wasn't bad and the prepared foods were great! I shopped there often, which was silly because of the prices. It was like an upscale Mrs. Gooch's or Whole Foods (which really didn't exist as a chain yet).
                                                  THANKS!

                                                  1. re: innatestyle

                                                    Think it was called Savory. Or Savory's.
                                                    They had the BEST butters ever! And plenty of different brans.

                                                  2. re: VenusCafe

                                                    Tell me more about Arthur's in Westwood.

                                                    I got to L.A. in late 1986. My first high-end restaurant jaunt was to Chinois on Main, during the football season probably 1987 or '88. Really fun vibe -- it was very crowded and I stood against the back north side wall looking into the kitchen watching the cooks. When we finally found a couple of open seats at the bar, a waiter appeared with some appetizers and said, "You've been waiting -- Wolf would want you to have these." Wonderful treatment.

                                                    1. re: nosh

                                                      yeah, that's why almost 30 years later they're still there.

                                                2. re: yogachik

                                                  Bistango still exists in OC (Irvine), under the same ownership and just as good as the original on La Cienega.

                                                  1. re: josephnl

                                                    The owner of Vertigo started out as a waiter at Bistango

                                                  2. re: yogachik

                                                    Loved those places. Here's a great article I ran across a few years ago with a terrific tribute to a lot of them. If anyone's interested in this topic you should give it a read:
                                                    http://www.100miles.com/my-restaurant...

                                                    1. re: yogachik

                                                      Do you recall, does anyone recall a less hip but very happening, busy place on the far west reach of Melrose almost to Doheny? Almost to the now defunct Karl's Market. South side of Melrose, it was very busy at lunch, great soups, great salads, especially great veggie dishes. This is the building where both SMOKE and MURANO were located.

                                                      1. re: innatestyle

                                                        You might be thinking of Cafe Figaro--a mainstay in the area at the time.

                                                        1. re: New Trial

                                                          I am indeed - Cafe Figaro. Thank you New Trial! I had the funniest experience there once. The waitress took forever to get to our table, then rushed up breathless exclaiming that she was so sorry but "knew" we'd understand, you see "her agent" was at another table so they had to talk business. lol, we asked for a different server.
                                                          But it was a mainstay, not about cuisine, about energy and location. Thanks again New Trial!

                                                          1. re: innatestyle

                                                            I wonder if her agent left her a 10% tip.

                                                            1. re: New Trial

                                                              Brilliant! He no doubt arranged a starring part on the Gong Show before she returned to Des Moines to marry the son of the local Buick dealer - and that 10% tip!

                                                    2. How about Tamayo Restaurant and the Russian restaurant downtown whose name I can't remember, which I would bet was the first craft brew pub in LA.

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                                                        1. re: FranklinJefferson

                                                          Yes! Thank you.

                                                          All those progressive workers murals on the walls in that very basic industrial space.

                                                          1. re: FranklinJefferson

                                                            Gorky's was great! I lived downtown in a loft for a couple of years in the mid-80's (the very beginnings of the "arts district"). There weren't many places to eat and hang out, but lots of other artists went to Gorky's, the Atomic Cafe, Suehiro, Al's Bar and almost next to Gorky's---Vickmans.

                                                            Vickmans was great for breakfast---sitting at the long tables with factory workers, produce & flower people, truckers. The coffee came in those glass carafes. During Thanksgiving time, the tables would be loaded up with pies waiting for people to pick up their orders.

                                                            Does anybody remember the name of the last Italian deli on Ord street in Chinatown? Sawdust on the floors, celeb pics on the walls and GREAT sandwiches. The Italian sub came with their house Italian dressing that they called "jungle juice"? I loved that place!

                                                            A friend gave me a Gorky's beer coaster recently that he had saved all these years. I have it proudly on my fridge!

                                                            1. re: LAgirl2

                                                              Gorky's was a lot of fun after a night at Al's Bar, Obituary, etc. Good times!

                                                              1. re: LAgirl2

                                                                Jungle juice ?

                                                                Can you please describe further ?

                                                                Thanks.

                                                                1. re: kevin

                                                                  my best recollection (this was at least 25yrs ago)---probably red wine vinegar, olive oil, salt and pepper. but the quality and proportions of those ingredients were great. they also made a killer meatball sub. very long lines during lunch.

                                                                2. re: LAgirl2

                                                                  We were in an artist loft in the early 80s. Were Maggie and Steve your landlords? When we left we paid our existing bill with a piece of our art work.

                                                                  Gorky's was definitely fun, Als and the Atomic Cafe also, but after we were there for a long enough time (4 years) we were DELIGHTED to have Cocola's, with the art of Angus Chamberlain dominating the bar AND offering a much needed high end eatery that was really fun to have.

                                                                  1. re: VenusCafe

                                                                    was this in downtown LA in the 80s ????

                                                                    i still really miss 410 Boyd St

                                                                    1. re: kevin

                                                                      Cocolas was DTLA in the mid eighties, for lofties, a mirage and an oasis.

                                                                      http://articles.latimes.com/1988-02-1...

                                                                      When was 410 Boyd closed? Actually when did it open?

                                                                      The only other Boyd St i can think of is Roark's Art Supply, now gone, but DTLA has many art stores now.

                                                                    2. re: VenusCafe

                                                                      We lived in the Globe Tire Bldg which is on Olympic between Mateo and Santa Fe across from the fire station.

                                                                      I forgot about Cocolas!

                                                                      1. re: LAgirl2

                                                                        We overlooked the 4th St Bridge, five year leases on each of 18 units for artists that had to be renovated for individuals to work and live.

                                                                        Each just came with a bathroom; some of our buds almost blew us up installing gas in order to cook!

                                                                        Most of us were too poor to eat anywhere but at home during the first year.

                                                                        BIG shake up during the Whittier quake in '87! Our Dobie, Ebony Mahalo Chicago went missing, but found quaking in
                                                                        an upstairs bathroom.

                                                                        1. re: VenusCafe

                                                                          i didn't even know there was an artist's district in downtown LA in the early 80s.

                                                                          you guys were truly on the forefront.

                                                                          1. re: kevin

                                                                            You are right, Kevin, b/c it didn't become an art district until everyone started moving into more of the area's buildings, circa '85.

                                                                            We negotiated our unit in '82; but it wasn't completed until '83,
                                                                            and it was still pretty raw!
                                                                            It included a special deal for the owners/builders who renovated it, if it included a living space in each of the 18 units; this gave them a BIG discount and a BIG tax break.

                                                                          2. re: VenusCafe

                                                                            No more poor starving artists in the Arts District.

                                                                            1. re: JAB

                                                                              yes---no more starving artists in the arts district. when our lease was up (maybe '86) the owner of our building wanted to triple our rent because of all the work we did to the raw space. "look at this beautiful place, how can you walk away from it"? my ex said "watch me, i'm not paying that type of rent". we ended up moving to silver lake (pre hipsters)

                                                                              @ VC--yes, we only had a bathroom w/ a toilet and sink---the shower was shared by everybody in the building. FREEZING in the winter!

                                                                              we were broke also--but would scrape up coins in leaner times and pick up food @ tacos michoacan (or is it carnitas michoacan?) and at any of the taco trucks or stands around the hood.

                                                                              1. re: LAgirl2

                                                                                Never ate from the food trucks! But learned to make a pretty fine meal for 12-14 using a double hot plate and a Krups! Seriously good eats.
                                                                                Our lease was net net net; every week we had someone from the city, the county or the state come in to tell us we had to pay more taxes based upon our improvements and work we did! The entire thing became too unwieldy. I could definitely share a few incredibly rich, complex, humorous, sad, crazy, unique, ironic, weird, tough stories...well i'm sure you know.
                                                                                It was one of my favorite times ever.
                                                                                We all moved into our lofts the same weekend.
                                                                                We bonded. We played. We created.
                                                                                ~We even played basketball every Friday at the live exhibit court provided by the Temporary Contemporary.
                                                                                Now that's interactive!

                                                                      2. re: LAgirl2

                                                                        "Does anybody remember the name of the last Italian deli on Ord street in Chinatown?"

                                                                        That would have been Dario's. And you're right about their great sandwiches. A few doors west there was another sandwich place at the S/E corner of Ord & Hill called Stottlemeyer's.

                                                                          1. re: Sam D.

                                                                            yes! Good call Sam---it WAS Dario's (I've been wracking my brain on that one). Too bad they're not still around.

                                                                            1. re: Sam D.

                                                                              How about Yee Mee Loo on Ord and their famous Chinese Tacos! Early fusion.

                                                                              Of course their bar and the famous juke box which supposedly still exists.

                                                                            2. re: LAgirl2

                                                                              Dario's ...jungle juice olive oil vinegar chopped garlic onion probably oregano....it was a great place.....

                                                                          2. re: Gypsy Jan

                                                                            The woman who owned Gorky's lives downtown, I believe in those condos across from Disney Hall. What I'd like, pretty please, is her recipe for Lentil Salad. I came in from Santa Monica for Gorky's, Al's, the Atomic and Madame Wong's for the music.
                                                                            Downtown had it's "fifteen minutes" and frankly so did most of L.A. in the eighties. It was great.

                                                                            1. re: innatestyle

                                                                              Weelllll..I think this is the recipe (or at least it is pretty close). I got it from a lady there some night back in the day.

                                                                              My recall is a little foggy (hey, it was late night in a bar, ya know), but I do remember that red lentils, apricots and honey were essential ingredients:

                                                                              Ingredients:

                                                                              3 tablespoons oil
                                                                              1 large onion, chopped
                                                                              2 cloves garlic, chopped
                                                                              1/3 cup dried apricots, chopped
                                                                              1-1/2 cup dried split red lentils, rinsed
                                                                              5 cups of stock
                                                                              2 Tablespoons fresh lemon juice
                                                                              3 ripe plum tomatoes, peeled, seeded and chopped
                                                                              1/2 tsp. ground cumin
                                                                              1/2 tsp. dried thyme
                                                                              Salt and pepper and honey, to taste

                                                                              Chop the garlic & onions.

                                                                              Clean lentils being sure to remove any small pebbles.

                                                                              In a pot, heat the oil over medium heat. Add the onion, garlic, and dried apricots. Sauté until the onion is translucent, about 12 minutes.

                                                                              Add lentils to the stock. Bring to a boil, then reduce the heat and simmer, covered, until the lentils are tender, about 30 minutes.

                                                                              Stir in tomatoes, cumin, thyme, and salt, pepper and honey. Simmer, covered for another 10 minutes.

                                                                          3. I guess people get more emotional over the James Deans of the restaurant world, that flame out early. This one is definitely a Norma Desmond - Kate Mantilini - which remains unfashionably in existence.

                                                                            Can you think of other places from that period that have lost their youth, and no one wants to know anymore?

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                                                                            1. Does anyone recall a small Italian place in or around Beverly Hills called Franscotti? They had a great thin delicate pizza I can still taste. Of course the best pizza of that or any generation was La Barbaras in West LA!

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                                                                              1. re: Thor123

                                                                                La Barbara's was good. And gooey. Somewhat comparable is Domenico's at various locations in the SGV at various times.

                                                                                1. re: Thor123

                                                                                  Boy do I miss La Barbara's Pizza. For me it was my second home and the best pizza in LA. Loved their sausage toping.

                                                                                  ..and for some reason they are listed on Yelp?
                                                                                  http://www.yelp.com/biz/la-barberas-o...

                                                                                  1. re: wienermobile

                                                                                    There was some sort of seed in the sausage. I don't know: anise? coriander?

                                                                                    1. re: mc michael

                                                                                      I remember lots of fennel seed. Sure was good and cheap.

                                                                                  2. re: Thor123

                                                                                    You may be thinking of Frascati, which was on Wilshire in Beverly Hills. I don't remember their pizza but do remember they made the best Monte Christo sandwich. The also had a location in Santa monica

                                                                                    1. re: maudies5

                                                                                      That was it. Thanks. My aunt used to take me there as a kid.

                                                                                    2. re: Thor123

                                                                                      Of course. When I lived in WLA while studying at UCLA (in the late 60's), it was our go to spot for good pizza. By today's standards of Sotto and Mozza, it would likely be 2nd rate, but in those days we loved it!

                                                                                      1. re: Thor123

                                                                                        Do you mean Frascati Grill on La Cienega? (There was one on the Sunset Strip at one time.) I think it was technically Belgian, but they lost menu discipline...

                                                                                        1. re: condiment

                                                                                          Seems to me there was more than one Frascati and they had slightly different names and menus: Frascati Grill, Frascati Cafe, maybe one or two more.

                                                                                          1. re: condiment

                                                                                            Monty's in Pasadena closed at least a year ago.

                                                                                            1. re: judybird

                                                                                              All that's left is the sign. The last remaining Monty's is in Woodland Hills.

                                                                                          2. re: Thor123

                                                                                            Any still in this style of la Barbara's and Fracati that are still around ?

                                                                                          3. This has turned into such a cool, wonderful thread! Thanks everyone. Serendipity is a fabulous thing.

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                                                                                            1. re: dtm323

                                                                                              Remeniscing makes me miss some of the old, more serious dining spots. I love to see some of the adventurous cuisine at the gasto-pub/bistro places that are the vogue these days. But the proliferation of that style has led to a dearth of more formal eating. Meaning less crammed, less noisy, nice table settings, deep winelists, and excellent service.

                                                                                            2. Ah...here's one - and a great one at that: Le Petite Chaya.

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                                                                                              1. re: foodiemahoodie

                                                                                                I once had a tasting menu there that included five buerre blanc sauces in a row. '80s Japanese-French food was a specific thing.

                                                                                                Speaking of which, I just heard from Ishi of Ishi's Grill, the best of the '80s Japanese-French places in my estimation. (He also founded the late Sawtelle Kitchen.) He's back in Japan now . . . cooking California cuisine.

                                                                                                1. re: condiment

                                                                                                  How about Cafe Blanc and the original chefs wares of Sawtelle Kitchen fame ?

                                                                                                  1. re: kevin

                                                                                                    Nice write up on Cafe Blanc http://articles.latimes.com/2001/sep/... and Tommy Harase from back in the day in the L.A. Times.

                                                                                              2. Chaya in WeHo was around the '8o's too and still going strong. Still looks great.

                                                                                                1. Rangoon Racquet Club. Was that still around in the 80s? Or am I having a senior moment and thinking of the 70s?

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                                                                                                  1. re: perk

                                                                                                    I think it was the seventies. On Little Santa Monica? I think it was the first restaurant to serve those delicious desserts from La Mousse. ANother restaurant which was popular was Jimmy's next to Century City. I only recall the great Caesar salad and crazy strong drinks.

                                                                                                    1. re: maudies5

                                                                                                      Jimmy's was an institution. Very elegant. Many a special events there.

                                                                                                  2. I loved Chianti, which was just across the street on Melrose. It was a very romantic restaurant which served old school Italian food. Oh, just had a memory of their Fried Cream.

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                                                                                                    1. re: maudies5

                                                                                                      Great memories - was my "first date" restaurant. (that or the first Border Grill).

                                                                                                      1. re: foodiemahoodie

                                                                                                        Chianti evokes so many romantic memories. I think it tanked when Jerry Magnin took over. Makes me sick that it is now the site of The Village Idiot.

                                                                                                    2. Victoria Station Universal City. Take the funicular up and you were at the busiest restaurant in LA at the time. I was at many a wild party there including the Blues Brothers & Frank Sinatra.

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                                                                                                      1. re: wienermobile

                                                                                                        Now you went and made me think of the Velvet Turtle on Sawtelle. We went at least once a month and mostly ordered the individual Beef Wellington with the Duchess potatoes and the salad with Green Goddess dressing.

                                                                                                        1. re: Servorg

                                                                                                          Yes...and they had terrific cold cucumber soup in the summer. Bur you're right, they beef wellington was delicious!

                                                                                                          1. re: Servorg

                                                                                                            Hah! I forgot where it was. But that's precisely what I ordered when I went there.

                                                                                                            1. re: Servorg

                                                                                                              Wasn't it a bit like Hungry Tiger in Westwood? Monty's was a true Westwood classic back then.

                                                                                                              1. re: Thor123

                                                                                                                i would liken it to the old Charlie Brown's chain for lack of a better example. Very corporate comfortable interior. Not cutting edge or challenging, but a nice night out for a fair price and the service was good.

                                                                                                                1. re: Thor123

                                                                                                                  We used to love the spare ribs at Monty's. is there still a Monty's in Pasadena

                                                                                                                    1. re: Servorg

                                                                                                                      It is. Friend had a 50th there a couple of years ago. Ribs are still good and kind of unique. Not real saucy, with a nice rub.

                                                                                                                2. re: Servorg

                                                                                                                  There's still a sign heralding The Velvet Turtle in Chinatown near Hill Street.

                                                                                                                  1. re: kevin

                                                                                                                    The building is still there, decaying for decades. Does anyone know who owns the property and why hasn't it been sold so that someone can build over that eyesore? I also remember the Velvet Turtle in West LA, across the street to the north of Best Buys on Sawtelle...

                                                                                                                3. re: wienermobile

                                                                                                                  My family was going to Victoria Station once for a birthday and were in the funicular when it got stuck about half way up. The fire department had to come adn pry the doors open and use a ladder to get us out. Everyone in the car got a free dinner that night. We also used to go to the Velvet Turtle both on Sawtelle and on Victory Blvd at Owensmouth.

                                                                                                                4. Remember Prado on Larchmont? Or, the first Cha Cha Cha over near Vermont? And then there's my all time favorite, but creeping into the 90s, The Olive.

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                                                                                                                    1. re: New Trial

                                                                                                                      What was the name of that French style cafe, with breakfast ad lunch, served at a Ushaped counter that was on Larchmont near Prado ?

                                                                                                                      What was the name of the joint ?

                                                                                                                    2. re: yogachik

                                                                                                                      Cha Cha Cha is still there too---although a shadow of it's former self.

                                                                                                                      1. re: LAgirl2

                                                                                                                        Yeah, but the food is good as always and comparatively inexpensive. I didn't go in its heyday- too trendy/crowded/hipstery- but nowadays, it's "just" a neighborhood institution that's been there for 30-odd years.

                                                                                                                    3. Yes....people do seem sentimental about restaurants from that time period. Part of that is probably just fond memories. But I also think there weren't as many new, interesting places opening up. So when one did....it became a really big deal.
                                                                                                                      Agree?

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                                                                                                                      1. re: perk

                                                                                                                        Not really. Fine restaurants 30 years ago offered an experience that is sadly rarely available in even in the better of the the new restaurants opening today. Among the things that I personally miss most are: quiet ambiance in which speaking in normal conversational tones is possible, professional waiters/waitresses whose life work was serving customers, nice linen, crystal and silverware, excellent food without a policy of "special requests respectfully declined", the absence of cell phones and flash cameras at every table (bringing a corded phone over to the table was a novelty at a few spots in Beverly Hills...but was never a nuisance), patrons at better restaurants dressing appropriately, etc., etc. Of course I realize that I'm dating myself, nevertheless I miss these things, and I know that I'm not alone.

                                                                                                                        1. re: josephnl

                                                                                                                          You said it well. But I also miss the food. It's true that we have some great restaurants with exciting choices on the menu, but it's hard-to-impossible to find the old classics, like lobster thermidore, orange duck, steak diane, vichyssoise, crepe suzette...

                                                                                                                          1. re: brandygirl

                                                                                                                            Everyone of your "hard-to-impossible to find" dishes are on the menu http://www.dalrae.com/wp-content/uplo... at the Dal Rae http://www.dalrae.com/ in Pico Rivera:

                                                                                                                            1. re: Servorg

                                                                                                                              True, but the restaurant is quite a drive from Northridge. Also, the restaurants we went to in L.A. were better.

                                                                                                                              1. re: brandygirl

                                                                                                                                The first point I'll agree with, but not the second.

                                                                                                                                1. re: Servorg

                                                                                                                                  I'm not saying Dal Rey is bad, but it's not as good as the old Robaire's, Papa Choux, Chasens, Brown Derby, Scandia, etc.

                                                                                                                            2. re: brandygirl

                                                                                                                              Reading your list of old classics makes my stomach rumble!

                                                                                                                          2. re: perk

                                                                                                                            I agree. More interesting places now. The fine dining experience has been brought to another level (with these grand tasting menus). The food is better, more diverse.

                                                                                                                            But there were some stars back then, don't get me wrong. In context of the times - they were great. But the whole experience has evolved. And an amazing amount of restaurants - and many places that opened and managed to thrive during a serious recession? L.A. is once again a great place to eat.

                                                                                                                          3. Not the 80s ... but the 60s and before.

                                                                                                                            Ships in Westwood. Check the awesome "Ship Shape Hamburger". Booth in the back, left side.

                                                                                                                             
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                                                                                                                            1. re: SilverlakeGirl

                                                                                                                              Toasters on the tables.
                                                                                                                              SHIPS definitely made it into the 80s. We used to go to the Westwood one after the bars (when there were any). I think the one over on La Cienaga made it until almost 1990.

                                                                                                                              1. re: john gonzales

                                                                                                                                John, you will probably remember. What was the name of that higher end and sort of modern looking Italian restaurant that used to be on Pico just a little west of Beverly Glen (maybe it was approximately across the street from John O'Groats?) on the N side of Pico?

                                                                                                                                1. re: Servorg

                                                                                                                                  Primi?
                                                                                                                                  Where Steingarten is now?
                                                                                                                                  That was Piero Selvaggio's place that he opened in about 85. I think he sold it in the late 90s. They made great picnic meals to take to the Bowl.

                                                                                                                                  1. re: john gonzales

                                                                                                                                    That was it, Primi. Thanks, John.

                                                                                                                                    Here is a link to Sherry Virbila's Primi http://articles.latimes.com/1994-01-0... review from the 1994

                                                                                                                            2. Can't forget The Red Onion. I actually once saw Clint Eastwood in the Beverly Hills location dancing.

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                                                                                                                              1. re: wienermobile

                                                                                                                                I laugh now when I think of how Red Onion was the "upscale" Mexican place -- over El Torito. How times and our understanding of Mexican food has changed.

                                                                                                                                A few other places that this thread has made me remember.

                                                                                                                                There was a pasta place on Westwood Blvd. between Olympic and Wilshire that let you choose your pasta and then select from a bunch of different sauces. That was where I first discovered gnocchi. I think it was called the Fettucini Bar or something like that.

                                                                                                                                It's odd that two of the places that come to mind lasted well into the 2000s.

                                                                                                                                Moustache Cafe. There was one in Westwood Village and another on Melrose. I mainly remember the chocolate souffle and a burger doused in garlic.

                                                                                                                                Mon Grenier in Encino also hasn't been gone that long, but it was an upscale Belgian restaurant with the most fantastic bouillabaisse.

                                                                                                                                1. re: Jwsel

                                                                                                                                  Not sure if its what you;re thinking of but there was a place in the Valley called (I think) Viva La Pasta on Ventura Blvd. - I think it was in Tarzana - I think they advertised that they had over 400 pasta dishes, mainly because they let you choose from one of eight pasta shapes and one of 50-some sauces, or something like that. The type of place that probably had multiple locations but honestly could not say if there was one on Westwood Blvd., or not.

                                                                                                                                  1. re: HastaLaPasta

                                                                                                                                    There was a Viva La Pasta on Westwood and Olympic,
                                                                                                                                    and also one in Palos Verdes that was a real treat
                                                                                                                                    for us, being a departure from the usual food choices
                                                                                                                                    of the local engineer crowd that dominated PV.
                                                                                                                                    The Sunday brunches at Viva la Pasta were sensational especially for that time.

                                                                                                                                    1. re: VenusCafe

                                                                                                                                      Venus, you know the Century City mall, do you remember a cafe, not in the food court, that had a long long line in the 80s that serve a hot asparagus soup in a clear coffee mug and smoked turkey on croissant sandwiches ?????????????

                                                                                                                                      Or does anyone happen to have a clue what the name of this joint is ??????????????

                                                                                                                                      i think it lasted up from the mid 80s (????) to at least the late 80s if not into the very very very very early 1990s.

                                                                                                                                      at that time, the multiplex theatre was still playing second-run features i think and was not close to what it was starting in the early 1990s.

                                                                                                                              2. Anybody mention Rex il Ristorante?...
                                                                                                                                Or any of the late, lamented Mauro Vincenti's places (Fennel, Alto Palato, etc.)
                                                                                                                                Rex was one of my first splurges when I moved here just to see the setting from "Pretty Woman". But the food turned out to be the true experience!

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                                                                                                                                1. re: FranklinJefferson

                                                                                                                                  Yes! Gorgeous space and food and so sad when Vincenti passed away

                                                                                                                                  Anyone else like the original Le Dôme? Fantastic place too

                                                                                                                                  1. re: FranklinJefferson

                                                                                                                                    Mauro Vincenti also had 'Mauro's in Glendale. First place that I had real gelato for dessert. Heard about the place listening to Paul Wallach on his KIEV 870 AM radio restaurant show. He raved about Mauro's and deservedly so. I still remember the trio of flavors of house made gelato. One of the flavors was 'banane' served piped into the peel. So good!
                                                                                                                                    70's or 80's? Not sure.

                                                                                                                                  2. One of my favorites was Carol O'Connor's The Ginger Man in Beverly Hills. Used to run into Jack Lemmon and Harvey Lembeck all the time.

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                                                                                                                                    1. re: wienermobile

                                                                                                                                      Now it's Bedford and Burns. No one since Ginger has had much staying power there.

                                                                                                                                      1. re: wienermobile

                                                                                                                                        I loved, loved, loved The Ginger Man.

                                                                                                                                        1. re: wienermobile

                                                                                                                                          Had to be in the late 80s. They advertised in our high school yearbook in 1985.

                                                                                                                                          1. re: TripleAxel

                                                                                                                                            Uh-Oh. Now you have dated yourself. :)

                                                                                                                                        2. How about the Mandarin? The best Chinese in BH maybe ever. Also, had the old below ground Ah Fong's with huge rum la poo la poos in a giant clam shell and of course, the hay day of the original Trader Vic's.

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                                                                                                                                          1. re: Thor123

                                                                                                                                            I had my Sweet Sixteen at the Mandarin. It was my absolute favorite restaurant.

                                                                                                                                            1. re: yogachik

                                                                                                                                              We hosted several special occasions there. Always good and festive.

                                                                                                                                            2. re: Thor123

                                                                                                                                              Trader Vic's, home o the Mai Tai. As Russkar always preaches, no orange or pineapple juice allowed.
                                                                                                                                              Back in the mid-80s, recently out of college, I went to a party there with about 25 of L.A.'s "richie-riches". All of a sudden only five of remained as the other twenty thought it would be a gas to do a humorous dash on us with a $1000 tab which was a boatload to me back then. Luckily a couple of the others had deep pockets.

                                                                                                                                              I also remember coming to LA from college visit an Angeleno girfriend and went to the Mandarin with her family. Since she told me we were going to Chinese food, I wore a pair of old jeans and topsiders with a poloshirt. They were all dressed much nicer and I felt like a real schlub. I still remember loving the squab lettuce cups and Peking duck that night.
                                                                                                                                              They opened the more casual, and open late, place Mandarette on Beverly?thereafter. I think one of the sons of the Mandarin family was the "Chang" with Fleming in the PF Chang's.

                                                                                                                                              1. re: Thor123

                                                                                                                                                We were regulars at the Ah Fong's in Encino. Their Beef Soo Chow was one of the best dishes ever.

                                                                                                                                                1. re: brandygirl

                                                                                                                                                  Ah Fong's is in the literature; passing joints and getting high in the booths! You must have been a part of that!

                                                                                                                                                  1. re: VenusCafe

                                                                                                                                                    Funny, I never knew that was going on! I was too young at the time and always went with my parents, who were definitely not getting high.

                                                                                                                                              2. One other place we loved in that decade was the Black Whale (where C&O Cucina resides now) in Marina Del Rey and their King Crab dinner. That meal made my yearly butter infusion measure in at 150%, all in one night. It may have been more a child of the 70's (or at least both the '70's and '80's perhaps)?

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                                                                                                                                                  1. re: Servorg

                                                                                                                                                    Reminds me of the huge Friday Crab Specials at Fish Enterprise in SM, and that was the late '70s, thru the '80s
                                                                                                                                                    and its still going. Was never at the Black Whale, but the details sound familiar.

                                                                                                                                                    1. re: VenusCafe

                                                                                                                                                      The incredlble thing about the king crab at the Black Whale was both the size of the legs, along with the fact that the legs were pre-split for you and all you had to do was peel these huge pieces of crab meat out of the shell, plunk in the vat of garlic infused butter and plop it in your mouth.

                                                                                                                                                      I always felt a little like Henry the VIII or something, being feted at some over the top gluttony banquet. Thankgoodness I got though all that with a few functioning heart vessels that still are pumping a littel blood around and about.

                                                                                                                                                      1. re: Servorg

                                                                                                                                                        Damn. That sounds good. Was it all you can eat? I'm a big eater and by today's dollar an all-you-can-eat king crab meal would have to cost $40 for someone to no lose money on me.
                                                                                                                                                        Another of the places I frequented in the mid 80s was where Josie is now, called Maryland Crab House.

                                                                                                                                                        1. re: john gonzales

                                                                                                                                                          The Black Whale's Alaskan King Crab Legs serving was not an all you can eat offering, but it was a towering heap of big crab legs on your plate, easily close to a foot tall!

                                                                                                                                                          A more than generous portion of AKCLs also came with the Prime Rib and AKCL dinner.

                                                                                                                                                          These were top quality offerings, nothing at all like might be offered at one of today's buffets.

                                                                                                                                                        2. re: Servorg

                                                                                                                                                          Any chance you know anybody who has the recipe for how they cooked their King Crab legs? It was far and away the best I ever had, and I was crushed to learn they closed the restaurant.

                                                                                                                                                          Rick McNabb

                                                                                                                                                    2. How about the Good Earth Restaurants?

                                                                                                                                                      In the 80's I ate there almost every week - the Chicken salad especially.

                                                                                                                                                      The Fashion Island location is long gone, but I just checked and evidently there is still one in Studio City.

                                                                                                                                                      12345 Ventura Blvd
                                                                                                                                                      Studio City, CA 91604
                                                                                                                                                      Neighborhood: Studio City

                                                                                                                                                      (818) 506-7400

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                                                                                                                                                      1. re: Gypsy Jan

                                                                                                                                                        The Good Earth was one of the places we went to in Westwood Village, or to the location that they had up on Wilshire at Granville that is now that Chinese AYCE buffet place, Union. My wife always got the chicken Marco Polo. Another place my wife loved that got us into Beverly Hills was the Magic Pan for crepes. We still try and get down to Irvine for prime rib at Gulliver's since the one we always went to in Marina Del Rey closed (now a Jerry's Deli - but probably not for long the way things are trending for that chain).

                                                                                                                                                        1. re: Gypsy Jan

                                                                                                                                                          The Good Earth teas - especially their original blend - is still available in grocery stores. Makes great iced tea.

                                                                                                                                                        2. French place on La Brea near sixth???

                                                                                                                                                          Anyone remember a family bistro place on the east side of La Brea right around sixth street?

                                                                                                                                                          For a couple of years in the later 80s,the place I went to much more than any other was a little casual place called Spangles. It was where Divino is now in Brentwood Village.
                                                                                                                                                          B, L, & D specializing in American food from varying locales and a selection of unusual beers from around the country.

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                                                                                                                                                          1. re: john gonzales

                                                                                                                                                            I am surprised that no one has mentioned La Scala and La Scala Boutique. Jean Leon owned both, as well as Le Petit Jean (across the street). La Scala Boutique was on the corner of Rodeo and Little Santa Monica and was always busy. They had a terrific Maitre'd named Tibor. If Tibor liked you, you were definitely assured of a nice booth. Just one door west was La Scala which was one of the best fine Italian dining restaurants in So Ca. Jean Leon amassed a phenomenal wine list. I was sorry to see both restaurants close, The newer La Scalas never came close to Jean Leon's earlier vision.

                                                                                                                                                            1. re: maudies5

                                                                                                                                                              The chopped salad and the mozzarella marinara were not merely institutions, they were obligations! Frankly, we locals lunched at the Boutique but really considered the restaurant for the tourists for the most part. Jean Leon was lovely. He opened Malibu yet didn't have his beer & wine license yet, so he'd simply comp bottles of wine to send to the table. He was a gentleman.

                                                                                                                                                            2. re: john gonzales

                                                                                                                                                              John Gonzales, I believe you are thinking of Robaires. It was there for a long time.

                                                                                                                                                              1. re: maudies5

                                                                                                                                                                Yep, thanks, it was Robaire's. I guess Ca'Brea is there now. Simple French food and very reasonably priced. I used to live about four blocks west of it and went there quite frequently for french onion soup, cassoulet etc.

                                                                                                                                                                1. re: john gonzales

                                                                                                                                                                  Robaire's had a sister restaurant on Beverly Hills on Beverly Drive, Maison Gerard.

                                                                                                                                                                  Speaking of French restaurants from the '80's don't forget Le Cellier on Wilshire near 26th St.in Santa Monica.

                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: CastironJim

                                                                                                                                                                    Le St. Germaine. Remember that one. Another of the classic French places. It was where Patina was and Providence now is. There was also La Chaumiere, the epitome of classic old-school French. Then La Cachette. where have all the Frenchies gone??

                                                                                                                                                                    I also thought of a couple of my favorite old Franco-Asian fusion places. That's actually still one of my favorite cuisnes. Cafe Katsu and Cafe Blanc.

                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: john gonzales

                                                                                                                                                                      John, you made me recall one of our favorite Asian restaurants in Santa Monica from back in the day, Zipangu. IIRC it was at Broadway and Lincoln. They had these great birds eye maple tables and my wife loved their ahi "tuna tuna tuna" salad and they did wonderful pasta dishes too.

                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: john gonzales

                                                                                                                                                                        I had a conversation with a friend who is writing a book about the changes in the LA restaurant scene from the late 60s through early 80s about the loss of classic French restaurants in LA. My theory is that they were the victims of the acceptance of California cuisine as upscale dining destinations. By comparison,classic French restaurants were too formal and the food was perceived as too heavy. California and Italian were perceived to be healthier, and the 80s and early 90s.

                                                                                                                                                                        Another high-end French restaurant in the current Hatfields location was Michel Richard's Citrus. It opened in the late-80s and lasted into the early 2000s and was one of the few French restaurants that really survived the shift in cuisines. Patina and La Cachette were others, and La Cachette often emphasized that its dishes were more healthy than traditional French food.

                                                                                                                                                                  2. re: john gonzales

                                                                                                                                                                    John, wasn't that Robaire's? And it was closer to 3rd/La Brea than 6th/La Brea.

                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: JosephEBacon

                                                                                                                                                                      robaire's was one of the first big-deal french restaurants in la. owned by a tunisian, Robert Robaire. wonderful man, still around. walls painted with montmartre street scenes, etc. i've still got a couple of their old menus.

                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: FED

                                                                                                                                                                        My SIL was a hostess at the Encino location until they closed it.

                                                                                                                                                                  3. What about the little place on La Cienega with no sign outside to identify a restaurant...just a door and a button/intercom. You announced yourself, and they buzzed you in. Dining room was upstairs, I think. Does anyone remember it?

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                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: josephnl

                                                                                                                                                                      Nope.
                                                                                                                                                                      Sounds like Club 33 at Disney...
                                                                                                                                                                      ;)

                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: josephnl

                                                                                                                                                                        Yes, I remember this place. I think it was owned by some University of Southern California alumni. We always went with friends, and they knew the owners. It was so much fun and so good. I'll have to ask my friend who the owners were. I am now curious.

                                                                                                                                                                      2. Hampton's burgers on Highland and on Riverside Drive. I believe it was owned by Paul Newman.

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                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: wienermobile

                                                                                                                                                                          Actually, it was owned by Ron and Anne Buck. Paul Newman was a good friend of theirs and may have been an investor

                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: wienermobile

                                                                                                                                                                            I loved Hampton"s. I still recall my first PB&J burger!

                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: pnutbuddah

                                                                                                                                                                              And the Chocolate Mort -- one of the best desserts ever.

                                                                                                                                                                              Mo's in Riverside took over the Hampton's site and it still has a menage a trois burger, but that is the only remnant of Hampton's that I can see.

                                                                                                                                                                            2. re: wienermobile

                                                                                                                                                                              OMG Hamptons! I remember the first time I went to the one on Highland and being wowed by all the burger toppings---I guess the Counter is kinda doing that now in a fast food manner without the booze.

                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: LAgirl2

                                                                                                                                                                                I do believe that the Counter serves booze.

                                                                                                                                                                            3. I'm pretty sure Caioti in Laurel Canyon was an 80"s spot. Ed Ledou's bbq chicken pizza and others were the first...after he left Wolfgang of course.

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                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: pnutbuddah

                                                                                                                                                                                Caotti definitely had claim to being one of the best pizzas in town for a stretch there.

                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: pnutbuddah

                                                                                                                                                                                  Maybe it moved but isn't Caioti Pizza Cafe on Cahuenga in Studio City?

                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: HastaLaPasta

                                                                                                                                                                                    On Tujunga across the street from Vitello's.

                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: HastaLaPasta

                                                                                                                                                                                      The original Caiotti was in & on Laurel Canyon, where Pace is now.. Seems like it opened around 88. The owner was Ed La Doux who was the one behind the pizzas at Spago. He also came up with most of the orignal recipes for CPK.

                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: john gonzales

                                                                                                                                                                                        And he came up with the special salad that supposedly induces labor ?

                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: kevin

                                                                                                                                                                                          The "THE SALAD"...
                                                                                                                                                                                          A friend of mine who had just moved to NY in '90 asked me to FedEx her the Salad Dressing to Brooklyn because she was 3 days past her due date. It Worked!

                                                                                                                                                                                  2. What was the name of that restaurant across from the old ICM (or, across from Madeo), upstairs? It was above the jewelry mart, had a patio that stretched the whole of Beverly Blvd on one side.

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                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: yogachik

                                                                                                                                                                                      Was that Cyrano? Or was Cyrano the successor? In the Antiquarius Building.

                                                                                                                                                                                      1. The Steak Pit on Melrose, not too far from the City Café.

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                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: Kate is always hungry

                                                                                                                                                                                            The elderly gentleman that owned and ran the place really knew the hospitality business. They really knew how to take care of and please their guests!
                                                                                                                                                                                            Oh for a place like that today.....

                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: CastironJim

                                                                                                                                                                                              I always felt so privileged that I'd discovered Steak Pit! While friends were going to the newest restaurant, I was going to a place most didn't know about. I think at some point, they took the sign off the building. Everyone I introduced it to were amazed at how good it was! **sniff**

                                                                                                                                                                                        1. Long-lost Cajun/Creoles.
                                                                                                                                                                                          Orleans on Barrington. Really liked it and still curse the Starbucks everytime I drive by.
                                                                                                                                                                                          Ritz Cafe on Pico. Blackened Redfish! and kind of New Orleans with a gourmet twist.
                                                                                                                                                                                          Homer & Edy's on south Robertson. Authentic old-school south. I always liked it better than Harold & Belle's.
                                                                                                                                                                                          If you really wanted to get down and dirt, the Five C's down by Western & Slauson for an oyster po'boy.

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                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: john gonzales

                                                                                                                                                                                            Curse Starbuck's for other things, but I think the neighborhood was the culprit. What l heard was Orleans was becoming far more popular than any had expected. The bleedoff from the constant max crowds (traffic, parking lot, loud drunken smokers, etc.).

                                                                                                                                                                                            The final straw was the murals on the exterior. The images were extroverted and bawdy - too much so for the quiet and conservative neighborhood. How the residents forced Orleans out I do not know.

                                                                                                                                                                                            I too enjoyed this place and offer a sigh as I pass through often. But I have to wonder why Orleans or some other like-establishment of this caliber didn't open elsewhere?

                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: bulavinaka

                                                                                                                                                                                              Shame. Really has not been a high end Cajan since Orleans.

                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: Thor123

                                                                                                                                                                                                I think great examples of food from that region in general is far too sparse in LA.

                                                                                                                                                                                              2. re: bulavinaka

                                                                                                                                                                                                The neighborhood may have had some impact, though it was always a realtively busy four-corner commercial. Also Orleans did have the parking lot and it wasn't like there was a rock-and-roll bar crowd spilling out at 2am. But I guess it was the only popular place in that hood. Though I think there used to be a bar across the street south too.
                                                                                                                                                                                                I recall talking to the operators at the time and part of it was part a landlord thing as it was a really large space. Only an ultra-succssful place (which they weren't near the end) could retain the whole space.
                                                                                                                                                                                                I'm with you though that the New Orleans cuisine done well in a nice setting should have been able to make it somewhere. The Cajun popcorn, dirty martinis, and blackened fish & prime-rib were great at Orleans. The room was very classically appointed, and unlike almost everywhere now, spacious and not noisy.
                                                                                                                                                                                                I had my smallish company Christmas party there a couple of years.

                                                                                                                                                                                                I was similarly surprised and disappointed when Cafe Terra Cotta, a very good and successful Southwestern place out of Tuscon could not cut it over in Beverly Hills. Some cuisines just don't seem to have staying power here.

                                                                                                                                                                                              3. re: john gonzales

                                                                                                                                                                                                We used to LOVE Orleans. Big deal for it's time, Prudhomme himself opened it and I STILL miss their Linguine with Tasso and Oysters. Wow, talk about a killer dish, nothing like it in town any longer.

                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: john gonzales

                                                                                                                                                                                                  And Patout's on Westwood Boulevard, whose chef, Alex Patout, was one of the best of the first wave of new-Creole chefs in Louisiana. I miss 5Cs the most, though.

                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: condiment

                                                                                                                                                                                                    5cs briefly opened in Covina for a bit.

                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: condiment

                                                                                                                                                                                                      Alex was the front of the house guy, his sister was the chef at opening and the food was extraordinary. Then it seemed to go to hell suddenly.

                                                                                                                                                                                                  2. The City Cafe on Melrose became the original Border Grill.
                                                                                                                                                                                                    I can't remember which block, but I believe it was somewhere between La Brea and Fairfax on the north side of the street.

                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. I loved the fish and chips from Bit O' Scotland in Westwood

                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. I lived about a three minute walk to Butterfield's, on Sunset (Where the House of Blues is currently located). A leisurely brunch on the patio was as good as it got back then. A cozy dinner near the fireplace on a winter's night was pretty fine too. A great ambiance and pretty good food. I miss it!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: pnutbuddah

                                                                                                                                                                                                          Remember The Source??
                                                                                                                                                                                                          That was across the street and just east of Kings Rd & HoBlues. They were serving uber veggie, healthy, organic stuff in the late 70s early 80s. I had zero interest in that type of food in the 80s.

                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: pnutbuddah

                                                                                                                                                                                                            oh...i loved that place. food was good...wine list was even better. terrific prices. champagne on the patio meant is was a good day!

                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: pnutbuddah

                                                                                                                                                                                                              As featured in LA Story, the earthquake scene.

                                                                                                                                                                                                            2. Can it really be that no one has mentioned L'Orangerie and the other classic high-end French restaurant on La Cienega that was perhaps LA's first great French restaurant (Le....???). I can't think of the name?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: josephnl

                                                                                                                                                                                                                Well, I guess no one has read all of my ten posts on the long thread, but I mentioned L'Orangerie way up the page around the tenth post. Also L'Ermitage (which was on La Cien. where Koi is) if that is the other you are thinking about.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                Btw, the chef who replaced Bertranou at L'ermitage, named Michel Blanchett or something, has a company that sells gourment smoked seafood to restaurants etc.. I think it is called cordon Bleu, and their smoked salmon is great.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: john gonzales

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Sorry, John...I missed your post. Yes, it was L'Ermitage I was thinking of...probably the premiere French restaurant in its day. I especially miss L'Orangerie. Had many wonderful meals there!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: josephnl

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    L'Ermitage became Bastide and is now Mari Vanna.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: TripleAxel

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Don't forget Manhattan Wonton Company...aka Yeti, Bigfoot and the Loch Ness Monster...a satisfactory NYC style Chinese restaurant in LA.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: Ciao Bob

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I miss the short-lived King Dragon on Doheny, where Chakra now resides. It was a branch of Richard Mei's NYC establishment and had that Holy Grail of East Coast Chinese food, the fat, crinkly egg roll--though I tended to order his special lobster roll more often.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      2. re: TripleAxel

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Actually, L'Ermitage was on La Cienega and became Koi. Bastide took over the Manhattan Wonton Company space as mentioned by Ciao Bob.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: New Trial

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          With a few stops in between.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                          L'Ermitage begat Drai's which begat Cienega which begat Koi...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        2. re: TripleAxel

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          L'Ermitage was on La Cienega. Bastide was on Melrose Place. I'm trying to remember the restaurant that preceded Bastide, it was French and very fashionable. Anyone?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: Bob Brooks

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Wasn't the Manhattan Wonton Company there before Bastide? Or was it Lavande that opened after MWC moved out? You know, the old Alain Giraud space. No, gotta be Manhattan Wonton, then it became Bastide with Giraud at the helm. Before that Le Restaurant was in that space in the 1970's.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: Servorg

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Lavande was in the Loews Santa Monica, where Ocean & Vine now is.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    2. my family used to celebrate events at 72 Market St in Venice. It's a shame they turned that space into a cheesy club.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      and I remember having my first "real" Italian meal at Locanda Veneta, which to my surprise is still there on 3rd.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: zinFAN

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        72 was great as was Rabeccas. Locanda Veneta was (I believe) owned by the same people as Ca Brea and Il Moro who always did very good Italian.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: zinFAN

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I had a standing, 'casual' reservation at the bar each Friday at 72. We loved it there and had their wonderful ceviche and caesar salad along with a bottle of champagne (I no longer drink).
                                                                                                                                                                                                                          And I understand that Julie and partners got into a great deal of financial trouble up in Aspen when opening a restaurant up there. They all came from The West Beach Cafe, as did Hal, of Hal's on Abbott Kinney, but most actually started out at Robert's on the Beach.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                          My big question is, who painted that wonderful, enormous, night-time landscape of Malibu and Santa Monica and where is that great canvas now? Thank you! I miss everyone at Robert's, West Beach, 72!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        2. Helena's. Quintessential 80s in all ways.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: yogachik

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Helena's and Vertigo are featured in this 1986 article from the N.Y. Times http://www.nytimes.com/1986/07/04/sty... (I would suggest that they rename the paper the "Good Times" but they'd have to totally change their approach to news to make that name fit).

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: Thor123

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Right, but Helena's was a "private" supper club as well.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: Servorg

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  The food was pretty crummy though and was kind of an after-thought. I had a couple of friends that were "members" so went there a bit. It was tres chic cool with lots of celebs. It wasn't as vibrant as some of the other action. Flaming Colossus, Po Na Na, and stock exchange also did the food/club combo. The food at Stock exchange was creative and pretty good, though a bit pricey, but IIRC when you ate you skipped the line and the cover. I remember Po Na Na doing some wierd grazing thing where it was like os sort of buffet but there were scantily clad girls (in some sort of Moroccan themed outfits) on the tables as some sort of accessory to the food layed out around them.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  LA. in the 80s had some fantastic night-clubbing. I think with the demise of clubbing people have turned to hanging out at restaurants more for drinks etc. So place have become more combo bar and restaurant. So we have a lot more crowded noisy places like Sotto, Bestia, Bottega Louie. Back in the day there was a lot more eating early at a straight ahead restaurant then hitting up bars and clubs afterward.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Vertigo was a great club. The trick for a guy was to dress one's coolest, and go with numerous dolled-up women. I even got some sort of card that gotme in with barely a wait. That place was so classic L.A. 80s. Tons of dancing, eveyone all dressed up.The bathrooms were a whole secondary party scene of their own.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I also recall Power Tools and a coupleof other clubs at the Park Place hotel, China Club. What is really gone now is all the live music spots that were all over with lots of great Punk and New wave bands playing constantly. Club Lingerie, Madame Wong's, Anti-Club, Gazzari's etc, etc. My favorite hang-out was Ports on SaMo across from Formosa Cafe.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: john gonzales

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    "My favorite hang-out was Ports on SaMo across from Formosa Cafe."

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I'm pretty sure we ate at Port's. Was that the place with no sign and it was so dark inside you thought you were losing your sight when you got inside?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: john gonzales

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      the club days in the 80s, where the nose candy was beyond plentiful and food was merely an afterthought.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: kevin

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        And where young stars dropped dead outside places like the Viper Room...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: Servorg

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Oh, yes, the viper room. but was the food any good there besides the nose candy ?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: kevin

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I'd rather have been interrogated by Torquemada during the Spanish Inquisition than spend anytime at all at the Viper Room...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: Servorg

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Damn, those are strong words.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      2. re: john gonzales

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        It was Pu Na Na, not Po (sorry), and the Moroccan fare was actually really good.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Remember Funky Reggae and Lunch? No food to speak of, other than something to soak up the booze, but such great clubs! Club Soda and Flaming Colossus and Dirt Box and Stock Exchange and Club Trust -- all great clubs, but it was when the yummy bacon wrapped hot dog carts first made their appearance on the outside sidewalks!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: yogachik

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          You say Pu, I say Po.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I thought sure it was PO but am not positive.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Our favorite munchies after the clubs, if anyone was hungry, were Torung for some real late night thai or Canter's.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        2. re: john gonzales

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          John, Henry & Joseph who owned Vinyl Fetish Records on Melrose hosted a dance party at Club Lingerie each Friday called the Veil. This was really the first place we'd be able to dance to The Cure, Duran Duran, Depeche Mode. This was all pre-MTV you remember.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          China Club was great, more a cutting edge fashion show than anything. Now Madame Wong's WEST was fantastic. Oingo Boingo played there often and I danced with Nina Hagen to Hunt Sales & the Big 9, who fronted for David Bowie at times. I posted a reply earlier about Ports, and you were so right about how reliable and fun it always was. John Cooke was the bartender. How are you John?
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          All my friends were models and I had the right clothes, so going with them we got in right away and clearly the bottles of champagne never stopped coming - gratis. I simply danced. What a great way to be young, right? And you're right about the Punk & New Wave clubs, they were amazing. Do you recall the ORIGINAL Zero Zero when it was underground?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    2. re: Servorg

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      The best of the club/restaurants was Flaming Colossus, whose chefs were the extremely young Fred Eric and Octavio Becerra.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: condiment

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Wow. Fred's a friend of mine and I didn't even know that.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  2. Oh, and back in '85, my first experience with Pacific-Rim food happened at Roy Yamaguchi's 385 North on La Cienega. Also the closest thing to a setting from "Less Than Zero" that I could have imagined as a new transplant from the Bay Area

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: FranklinJefferson

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Le Restaurant on Melrose Place was very elegant.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    2. 72 Market Street was always one of my favorites. I recall I was eating dinner there on one week night when Dudley Moore appeared at the piano, played two pieces and then disappeared.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: tpix

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        "...Dudley Moore appeared at the piano, played two pieces and then disappeared."

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Was one of them "Bolero" by any chance?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: kevin

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            It's a reference to Bo Derek's response to Dudley Moore's question about what she liked to do while listening to "Bolero". From the movie "10"...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          2. re: Servorg

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Actually it could have been. This would have been about 25 years ago. I'm still in touch with the friend I was dining with so I'll ask him if he remembers. I'll get back to you

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          3. re: tpix

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Wasn't Dudley Moore one of the owners?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: wienermobile

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              yeah, dudley and tony bill owned the joint.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: wienermobile

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Yes.. I believe Dionne Warwick was another partner. I saw her there once or twice.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: tpix

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  There were plenty of investors. And they actually got paid and saw some profit. How often does that happen?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            2. What a fun thread! Besides all of the other places mentioned, I remember very fine meals at 7th St Bistro with Joachim Splichal. Also, anyone remember Puck's short-lived brewpub, Eureka, on Sawtelle? Freshest hefeweizen in LA.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: j mather

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                The sausages at Eureka were some of the best in town. Don't know why they closed it was packed when ever I was there.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: wienermobile

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  i missed out on eureka.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  when did they close it ?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: kevin

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Eureka was not open very long. It must of closed 3 years after they opened. It's the only Wolfgang Puck restaurant I even remember closing. Gigantic and very noisy place but with good affordable food.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: wienermobile

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Here is an article that I saw about the closing of not only Eureka, but Granita as well http://www.evancarmichael.com/Famous-...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: Servorg

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Thanks. Your Article says Eureka was only open one year. I knew it was quick but I didn't realize it was that quick. In house brewery and all they were ahead of their time.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: wienermobile

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          We went to Eureka one night when our about to turn 25 year old son was maybe 6 months. My wife was very nervous about going in with a baby, but Barbara Lazaroff who was the hostess that night could not have been more welcoming and she made such a fuss over our son that we instantly felt at home. The food was very good and we were really sorry to see them close the doors as they were in our neighborhood.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: Servorg

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Damn, it does sound like it was way ahead of its time.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            That's very interesting since sausage/artisanal beer parlors (i.e. Wurstkuche and its ilk) having been open around town only in the past five years again.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            What's old is new again.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: kevin

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I went to Eureka quite a few timest as I lived up in Brentwood and my g-f lived only 4 blocks rom there. I definitely agree that the concept was ahead of its time. Beers, sausages, and snacky food.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              They drew a decent number of diners, but I wouldn't say it stayed hot for long. But that wasn't the problem. The problem was the concept and space. First off it was on a strange mid-stretch area of Bundy, and there was not really any street exposure. But the killer was that they really took a chance on doing a brewery as much as a restaurant. The place was huge and almost all of it was the brewing operation. It looked cool but that is not inexpensive space. So you're paying westside rates for something you can do in an industrial area. Also I don't think they were able to build any sort of brand with the beer. So while the restaurant might have been fine, it wasn't the whole enterprise.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: john gonzales

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I remember visiting Euereka a few times as well. I wanted it to succeed. Alas, the food was great, but I recall rating the beer at B-

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: john gonzales

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I know a lot of folks who were dying to invest in Eureka. I believe the minimum was 25 K. We were offered the opportunity and declined. Puck had no problem attracting investors, all of whom would get benefits as an investor. Not surprised that Eureka suffered an early demise. I have friends who never recouped their investment (hardly unusual in restaurant business).

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: maudies5

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Maudies, my dentist invested in Spago. Altho Wolfgang's first and most risky, I'm pretty sure he recouped.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  2. re: j mather

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Eureka's beer was ok but the food meant to pair with beer was excellent!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: sel

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I am late to this thread...it is great. Eureka was fantastic. Puck should reopen it now. My Dad still has some of the beer I think.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: Ciao Bob

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Beer still ?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Wow.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        He would make a killing if he reopened it now. If I'm not mistaken (and from what I have hears since I have not visited Eureka before), Puck was ahead of his time at the time.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Artisanal beers, gourmet sausages, and a suave, nuanced butterscotch pudding in addition to the Puck flair would kick ass like gangbusters.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: kevin

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Guess Puck was way too much ahead of his time....

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: TripleAxel

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            i think there were internal business issues that brought eureka down. but great food and really good beer -- especially for the time.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    2. re: j mather

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      In addition to great sausages and beer, Eureka had wonderful Bavarian pretzels.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: kevin

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Eureka was a fun restaurant -- and probably the loudest restaurant I've ever eaten in.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    3. I was a big fan of Old World in Westwood Village (also location on the Sunset Strip) I think they sold more clam chowder than anyone in LA.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: wienermobile

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        i enjoyed World Links in the century city mall.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        does anyone rememember that joint ?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        i thought it was better than jody maroni's

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: kevin

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Agree with Kevin. I loved it too. Great sausages , dogs and buns! I'd go to Century City just for World Links.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        2. re: wienermobile

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I loved the Old World.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Fantastic Caesar Salads with anchovies and a great split pea soup.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: SilverlakeGirl

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            My brother was a big, big fan of the Belgium waffles that the Old World served.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: SilverlakeGirl

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              There was another 'world' on hollywood Blvd, maybe called Small World, where the steak tartare was sensational.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          2. Not totally a restaurant, but there was the China Club on 3rd Street. And Joe Allen's was just down the street.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: mbloes

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Joe Allens! I spent many a night there with all my brat pack friends.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            2. The Bistro on Canon (where Mastros is now) and they had another more casual Bistro, where Spago is now located.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Still surprised that I am the only one who seems to remember Le Restaurant on Melrose Place. It was a beautiful place to dine.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: maudies5

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Remember an evening back in 77 at The Bistro -just arrived from London and at the next table, Truman Capote and Jack Lemmon

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: melangeinc

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Michael or Robert?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Bistro Garden morphed off of The Bistro right? For years I would get souffles to cook at home from Bistro Garden. I didn't even know they were still open in the valley.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: john gonzales

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    John, we must have known one another. We're referencing the same restaurants and the same era. I know parents loved the Bistro, but I felt there was something pretty magical about Bistro Garden. But then I knew Helenas (I know Helena actually), The China Club, Palette (I hosted my birthday party there), designed by the amazing Anthony Machado.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: innatestyle

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I remember going to the China Club on opening night ... the Chinese bartenders with the big pompadour hair styles, skinny pants and impossible pointy toed shoes!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: innatestyle

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Well, given the commonality in clubs and restaurants we may have met. But that was the "Less than Zero" era and even if we had I might not remember it. Btw, upthread I mentioned Ports, which I'm sure I was at 100 times one year. There was that actor from Dynasty, maybe Steven Ford??, that bellied up to the bar regularly.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I had a drunkard buddy that would stand out front of Ports when they had no one at the door, and pretend to be an employee collecting the $5 cover for ten minutes then head inside with his drinks paid for for the night. Classic dumb behavior.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I was thinking about the old crew and romps in those days.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        The Nairobi Room popped into mind for the first time in a long time. It was another of the very cool exclusive late night clubs.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: john gonzales

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Could it have been Al Corley out front of Ports? He did work at Studio 54 before heading west, though after his very brief stint on Dynasty I have no idea what became of him. One of the main bartenders, John Cooke, appeared in a very brief scene in 'Baby Boom' and that was the last I saw of John, though I'm not much of a film goer.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I have no recollection of the Nairobi Room, but I left for New York around '86; perhaps it came later.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I wondered actually John if we'd stumbled across one another in our careers, but no matter.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  2. re: maudies5

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    You have company in remembering Le Restaurant - a remarkable place to dine - outstanding food and ambiance - yes I have fond memories

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: ZoeZ

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Thanks. Glad someone else remembered Le Restaurant. Fond memories, indeed.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: ZoeZ

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I heard there were extra curricular activities in the rest rooms.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: mc michael

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I think you are confusing it with 72 Market, which IIRC had the first unisex bathroom. It was widely known that folks used that bathroom for "extra curricular activities."

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: maudies5

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I think I get what you mean by "extracurricular activities" but at 72 Market. ?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I just thought it was a decent neighborhood restaurant serving comfort food ?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: kevin

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Kevin, 72 Market served wonderful comfort food. The scene however was very hip Hollywood. Venice was not considered a "neighborhood" in the way it is now.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: kevin

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Sniffing coke Kevin, not the other type of activity. West Beach and Robert's at the Beach were busy in that manner, as was Le Dome.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            2. re: mc michael

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              That was Le Dome, very extracurricular in the men's room, lines laid out across the back of the toilet. The bathroom was in the back and then downstairs. There was an attendant but I was never certain if he was involved or merely discrete.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Le Dome was next door to Casablanca Records, the major disco label, so there was definitely a connection. Faces seen at the bar, Jose Eber, Peter Allen, etc.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              The building had originally been Billy Haines showroom before it moved down to So. Beverly Drive.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        2. I realize I have referenced this joint many times before but has does anyone remember:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Manny's Bistro on Westwood Blvd ????

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: kevin

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Not familiar with Manny's Bistro. I was a Bratskellar kind of a guy.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: kevin

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              With fondness. Especially the naked photo of Manny in the john.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: Ciao Bob

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                What else do you remember about Manny's Bob, if you can write some reminisces down ?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                It's the one joint that I would love to hear more about and get a vicarious thrill about.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Also, I have to say even back then the prices at Manny's Bistro for beyond reasonable, actually scratch that, ridiculously cheap is more like it.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                thanks. where you a frequent regular there ??????

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                btw, on my first time there, i ran into robert wuhl there shooting the shit with his round of regulars. quite a scene and great food, and manny handcrafted the tables and pottery himself too.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Now you was quite the curmudgeonly, cranky, and cantakerous character.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: kevin

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  My Dad was a regular. He lived around the corner. I lived in NY but visited often. Manny's, Eureka, Spago, Granita and loads of other places on this list were in our Heavy Rotation. All were all places my Dad brought me. All of us kids had a big laugh with/at Manny. He was unique, his space was unique, his prices were unique, his food was unique and, as I said, the naked picture of him in the john was not the kind of thing Wolfgang Puck has done (yet).

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: Ciao Bob

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    keep those reminsces coming.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    i think he passed away a few years back.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    he was beyond unique. and also erratic, his words not mine.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    since sometimes he stated he'd be open for lunch and then was seemingly closed. and i never got the chance to try dinner there which i heard was incredible too.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: kevin

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      What about Butterfield's, Oscar's, Kit Marshall Le Petit Cafe,

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: melangeinc

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        wow,

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        these places i know nothing about.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: kevin

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I miss Szechuan, Hunan Restaurant, and Green Jade in Chinatown...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            2. Has anyone mentioned the Authentic Cafe ? Some groundbreaking South American- Asian fusion..

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: tpix

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Good one. I remember living on Ridgeley close to there when it opened and missing it when I moved a year later. It was a mish-mash of all kinds of stuff, including Moroccan, as IIRC that was part of the chef's heritage. I actually still have the cookbook and make an occasional dish from it. Unlike a lot of the 80s-90s fusion, they fused flavors but didn't do the food-as-art little portions like other places. It was done in more of a comfort/homey style.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: tpix

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Retro vote for both the "Ratskellar" and the Authentic. Used to go to the Authentic before they enlarged into the next building. Really some righteous grub.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: Steve2 in LA

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Wait, the Ratskellar in Westwood? Or was that the Bratskeller?
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Have not thought of that in forever.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: mc michael

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Frequenters like myself and friends, referred to the Westwood Bratskellar as "The Ratskellar". Not particularly imaginative but it was the 80's we were young and uninformed.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: Steve2 in LA

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        So it should have been the Mauskellar?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                2. Melting Pot for brunch, Miriwa for dim sum and Citrus for simply wonderful food and that fabulous Napoleon dessert. Did Paprika in Hollywood last until the 80's?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. does anyone rememberr Manny's Bistro ?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: Servorg

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        damn, i thought you weren't supposed to provide links anymore ?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      2. I'm surprised that no one has mentioned Angeli on Melrose (the branches in WLA and the Marina were good too). With its Morphosis design, It always seemed to me to be an 80's icon. I guess its been closed a year and a half now.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: tpix

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I think it had a pop-up, Or maybe there will be another one too.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: tpix

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            My wife used to go there a lot I think when she was in college in the late 80s early 90s. She has a black tshirts with the angel wings on the back from there.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: tpix

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Evan Kleiman ran a cafe at my school - she made cheap delicious pizza sold by the slice and other goodies. We were the luckiest bunch of broke students in world. I remember ending up at her WLA branch in the Marina, a large group of us had been out celebrating graduation.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Evan, upon seeing the shape we were in, told one of her waiters (paraphrasing), bring them pizzas, on the house & keep them coming until they look half way sober. She was great.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: engie

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                That's fucking awesome.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Where did you go to school and when was this ????

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I still wish she had her cafe around.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: kevin

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Southern California Institute of Architecture, I graduated in '99, back then it was located on Beethoven just north of Jefferson.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Yes - I wish her places were still around too. She's left my school before I graduated and I remember missing her and her great food. She also catered a lot of the school's functions.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: engie

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    That's interesting. Beethoven and Jefferson ? In Culver City ?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: kevin

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      That area is Los Angeles, anyway the school moved from that location, now they're just east of down town.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: engie

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Ok.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Here's hoping Evan opens a new cafe or restaurant soon.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            2. How often I've longed for Ports on Santa Monica Blvd. The best pot stickers and Chinese chicken salad, et.al. Dimly lit. Frank + Ella on the jukebox. What more you could ask for?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: b. delish

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                What a great place -eclectic cooking before there was eclectic cooking - What about The Studio Grill

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: b. delish

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Ports hosted an amazing Halloween Party once. The entirety was decorated like the interior of an aquarium. Ports was always reliably fun! Thank you b.delish!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                2. Does anyone here remember Cheerio (or was it Cheerio's) in Santa Monica? It was the quitessential British pub/restaurant. Great drinks...with wonderful meatballs to snack on. Terrific prime rib and other traditional dishes. And...a memorable pubby ambiance not seen anywhere this side of the pond in many years.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: josephnl

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Yes, we got married Dec 14, 1973 at the Santa Monica courthouse and went across(almost) the street and had prime rib, some of the best I have ever had - great memories, Too bad it's gone. I think it was "Cheerio's"

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: josephnl

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      My favorite of that genre was the "Mucky Duck" in Santa Monica on Third street where "Michael's" is now. My brother and I went there often as teenagers.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      They are still the standard for fish and chips in my mind.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Sadly, it closed and someone bought the name. They opened an inferior British pub on Ocean and ruined the name for me.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    2. Problaby closed in the 70's but Pickle Bill's on Pico bl in eastern Santa Monica had the best hot roast beef sandwiches around. Started sometime in the 40's to serve the many workers at Douglas aircraft on Ocean Park Bl.The site is now occupied by a McDees.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. Does anyone remember Flakey Jakes ????

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: kevin

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I remember the one that replaced the Scotch & Sirloin at the corner of Sepulveda and Pico (IIRC?)...It was pretty good for what it was.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: Servorg

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            That's the one i was thinking of, yeah, somewhere on pico near sepulveda.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: kevin

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Pico and Sepulveda, Pico and Sepulveda, Pico and Sepulveda
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              where nobody's dream comes true!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        2. Like Ciao Bob, more than a little late to this 291 entry post.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          As mentioned City Cafe was next door to the original LA Eyeworks. Some of the most innovative food for its time.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Other places mentioned throughout that I fondly remember starts out with one of the most beautiful restaurants ever - Le Chardonnay. I only mention this first, as its co-owner Robert Bigonner passed away about 2 weeks ago.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Loved the look, really enjoyed the food and warmth of both place and host(s).
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Scandia on Sunset, where I would ONLY eat in the bar, never the dining room. Still have a similar preference at Taix on Sunset in Echo Park.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          The original Cyrano on the Sunset Strip - omg, if I only had all the money I invested in those tabs.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Chez Helene on south Beverly Drive, now home to Urth Caffe. That was a special place in an out of the way kind of location for BH at the time.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Then there was the original Cafe Blanc on Beverly Blvd. east of Vermont, at the bottom of the hill. I was working part time at the Wine Reserve in Glendale (rip) and many special wine-tasting dinners were there. I donated serving services for food and beverage. Only wines being poured were French Burgs or the finest of German Reislings, as the store only sold wines from those regions. Great way to learn and enjoy, in no particular order.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Wines started from the 85 vintage!!!
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Tomi Harase could realllllly cook(and still can, maybe in the OC).

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: carter

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Damn. You
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Had to fucking remind me of Cafe Blanc. That was some of the finest curtains I have ever had.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Ok. My brow beaten face is filled with a deluge of tears.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            And now I need a drink. :(

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: kevin

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              What are these curtains of which you speak?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: JAB

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Curtains ?????

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Sorry. I must have meant tears.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: kevin

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Some of the finest tears that you've ever had?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: JAB

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    And people wonder why classic comedic routines get brought up (and shot down) on these threads...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: Servorg

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I'm just trying to learn a 2nd language.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    2. re: kevin

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Tears??????? What the f.... you talking about Willis?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: Thor123

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I have shed many fucking tears over the closing of Cafe Blanc.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              2. Does anyone remember a little French bistro in Westwood called La Grange? I remember many good times there. I think our waiter was...who else, but Pierre!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: josephnl

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  It was amusing to hear the restaurant called La Grange with French pronunciation and then describe the restaurant as La Grange on "La Graynge."

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: josephnl

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    When I first came over from UK ,my date and I went out in a foursome with Randy Newman and his wife to La Grange, his choice - this was his favorite restaurant -great night

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: josephnl

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I loved this place! The La Grange made AUTHENTIC Caesar salads...coddled egg, anchovies, etc. I used to have a salad from there twice a week in the 80s. I wonder when they closed their doors. I have one of their matchbooks, but I didn 't need a matchbook to remember them.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    2. Weight Watcher's Restaurant – N. side of Pico, E. of Robertson - L.A. (Unknown lady's name, Virginia?) - 1970's?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. To this day, I miss"Anna Maria's," which was an Italian restaurant that was located in Santa Monica on Wilshire & 4th St, (now Wahoo Fish Taco) and their other location was on La Brea (now PIPS on La Brea). I miss their marinara sauce which was so garlicky & wonderful!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. A regular stop for me was Mustache Cafe, just across from the Improv. Great souffles! If you had a nice car it got parked right in front.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: trimtab

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I have the recipe for that souffle chocolat au chaud. It's a must now and then.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: innatestyle

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              MOUSTACHE CAFE'S CHOCOLATE SOUFFLE

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              2 tbsp. butter
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              2 tbsp. sugar
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              6 oz. dark sweet chocolate
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1 c. sugar, divided
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              3 oz. milk
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              4 egg yolks
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              6 egg whites
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Powdered sugar
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Whipped cream for garnish
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Preheat oven to 350 degrees. Butter 6 individual souffle dishes and sprinkle with sugar.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              In a saucepan combine chocolate, 2/3 cup sugar and milk. Cook until chocolate is melted. Pour into a mixing bowl and add egg yolks. Mix well and set aside.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              In another mixing bowl beat egg whites until foamy. Gradually add sugar and beat until stiff. Fold half of meringue into chocolate mixture until well blended. Repeat with remaining half.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Pour into souffle dishes and bake for 20 minutes. Remove from oven and sprinkle with powdered sugar. Serve by itself or with whipped cream on the side. 6 servings.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: innatestyle

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Dope. Where did you get the recipe from ??????????

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Thanks.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: kevin

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Dope? Really? How nicely phrased. You're welcome.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: innatestyle

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Dope = sounds good.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Please excuse my bastardization of the English language.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    But you might just get used to it if you frequent this board a little too long.