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Blue crabs - male or female - do you prefer your crabs to have a Y chromosome?

fldhkybnva Jun 27, 2013 12:54 PM

I am a crab fanatic and living in Baltimore crabs are everywhere. My family usually buys male crabs so I have limited experience with females vs males but encountered a very heated debate at work today about personal preferences. Do you have one and why?

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    six dower Jul 10, 2013 04:27 AM

    In SC - purchasing crabs monthly since moving here last year. Male Crabs - $25.00/lb.
    Mixed - $17.00/lb
    When I buy the crabs for our monthly neighborhood party, I purchase Males.

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      ospreycove Jul 10, 2013 05:55 AM

      You meant to write "crabmeat" right"? not live crabs?

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        porker Jul 10, 2013 08:12 AM

        Perhaps "dozen"?

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        six dower Jul 10, 2013 10:46 AM

        Sorry...per dozen

      3. porker Jul 9, 2013 05:03 AM

        I live near Montreal which is a sorry location for a blue-crab lover.
        The only places that sell fresh (live) are markets in Chinatown and even then, its a rare occurrance. Toronto, which is 300 miles further from the sea, has more crabs than Montreal (much larger asian population me thinks), but I digress.

        I love the roe and thus prefer the females.
        However,
        I too have heard that it was illegal to harvest egg-bearing females. For the longest time, I could not figure out how the fisherman knew this. Also, if illegal, how come egg bearing females were so abundant (at home and wherever I ate crab - FLA, MD, LA, etc)?

        Some years ago, while crabbing in MD, I caught some females with an orange sac attached - then it dawned on me: internal vs external.
        I assume its illegal to harvest females with external egg sacs, but internal roe is OK.
        Besides, how would you know if the female has internal eggs? Or, do ALL females have these?

        Are my assumptions correct?

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        1. re: porker
          carolinadawg Jul 9, 2013 06:14 AM

          The only internal eggs in a female blue crab are unfertilized ones still in her ovaries, so no, there are no internal egg sacs like those seen on the outside. When are are released and fertilized they form into the external egg sacs. There is no internal fertilized egg sac.

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            porker Jul 9, 2013 09:07 PM

            I don't want to nitpick, but I never said "internal egg sac", I referred to it as "internal roe". But this apparently confirms my assumptions.

            Not being a crab expert, I find it curious how some people say how they like the roe (maybe they wrongly use the term "egg") only to be "reminded" (or chided) that taking egg-bearing females is illegal.

            Is it legal to take females with no discernible external eggs? I can appreciate how this may not be the best sustainable practice, but I'm asking about the legality.
            I assume it is not illegal as all females I purchase/eat seem to have internal roe...

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              Cheez62 Jul 9, 2013 10:38 PM

              If you look at my post and a couple others above, you'll see that the legality varies with the state. It seems that a number of states do not allow taking of females with visible eggs, and Maryland does not allow any taking of females, at least recreationally. Conversely, North Carolina appears to allow the taking of any female, eggs or not, with only a size restriction during certain months. Clear as mud, right?

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                carolinadawg Jul 10, 2013 04:19 AM

                Non egg bearing females are generally legal to harvest, and egg bearing females are generally not legal to harvest. But, as Cheex62 points out, regulations vary from state to state, and often include sze restrictions, time restrictions, etc.

                I don't know what you mean by "internal roe". Blue crabs have no discernable internal roe.

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                  porker Jul 10, 2013 08:50 AM

                  "Blue crabs have no discernable (sic) internal roe."
                  Are you sure about this?
                  I've been enjoying crab (and lobster and fish) roe all my life.
                  This shows a jimmy crab (no internal roe) at the forefront with a female just behind having the clearly visible (to me) internal orange roe.
                  If'n it ain't roe, please tell me what it is.

                   
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            ospreycove Jul 9, 2013 04:48 AM

            Throw back the Sooks; keep the Jimmys; can you say "sustainable fishery"?

            1. Veggo Jul 8, 2013 04:42 PM

              Now I'm curious - how did "she-crab soup" evolve, and what makes it special?

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                Gio Jul 8, 2013 05:21 PM

                Don't know if it;s right wrong or in between but at least it's a staring point...

                "According the local legend, William Howard Taft (1857-1930), 27th president of the United States, was being "wined and dined" by Mayor R. Goodwyn Rhett (1862-1939), mayor of Charleston from 1903 to 1911 residence – the home of one of the original signers of the United States Constitution, John Rutledge. Rhett's most prominent guest was William Howard Taft, who visited Charleston in 1909 and again in 1910. Supposedly, the Rhetts' asked their butler to "dress up" the pale crab soup they usually served. The butler added orange-hued crab eggs to give color and improve the flavor, thus inventing the Charleston delicacy know as She Crab Soup."

                http://whatscookingamerica.net/Histor...

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                  Veggo Jul 9, 2013 04:21 AM

                  Cool, thanks Gio.

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                INDIANRIVERFL Jul 8, 2013 01:48 PM

                Average male to female ratio at one fishmonger is 10 to 1.

                I try to score the occasional female for the internal roe.

                1. ipsedixit Jul 7, 2013 07:18 PM

                  Female.

                  That's just the way I roll.

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                    hauckpdx Jun 27, 2013 09:13 PM

                    I think my Korean parents would gasp in horror if I ever passed up a female crab for a male. I don't think any Asian would pass up that delicious orange roe! My mom loves marinating them raw in soy sauce and we eat the salty sweet flesh and roe mixed with hot white rice. Heaven!

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                      carolinadawg Jun 28, 2013 02:51 AM

                      Does heaven include crabs? If you eat all the egg bearing females, there won't be any left...

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                        hauckpdx Jul 2, 2013 10:44 AM

                        That's why they allow the harvest of SOME egg bearing females per season and not ALL. They can be safely harvested without killing off all crabs obviously. The ones sold in the seafood markets in Korea are part of the alloted quota, it's pretty highly regulated to maintain levels.

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                          James Cristinian Jul 2, 2013 10:53 AM

                          Regulated by whom? The ones in Korea don't come from the Gulf or the Atlantic, and the quota for Texas and Florida is zero.

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                            carolinadawg Jul 2, 2013 10:53 AM

                            Not sure who "they" are, but many (all?) states on the eastern seaboard prohibit the harvesting of egg bearing females.

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                        Phoebe Jun 27, 2013 06:21 PM

                        I grew up in Md... and picked my first crab at the age of five. Plain and simple.... Size and taste have never had ANYTHING to do with the great male/female crab debate. People (in general) don't like to "mess" with the eggs that accompany a female crab. That's why they females are always cheaper. Supply and demand.

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                          carolinadawg Jul 7, 2013 06:56 PM

                          Not true. Male blue crabs grow bigger and therefore contain more meat. Thus they cost more. Females don't always have egg clusters attached and Maryland (and most other states) law prohibits keeping females with eggs.

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                            James Cristinian Jul 7, 2013 07:09 PM

                            Agree 100 %, the males get much larger, and that backfin on a big male full of meat is the ultimate. I obey the law and throw back females with eggs, anything else is poaching.

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                              Phoebe Jul 8, 2013 10:36 AM

                              Males crabs may grow bigger... But, at what stage in their size are they plucked from the waters to be eaten? How close to their potential size did they reach? I'm also speaking of generalizations from OVER 30 to 40 years ago. (I'm sure regulations were much different back then too!) People used to avoid female crabs because of the "extra" mess involved. Has always been the case.....

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                                fldhkybnva Jul 8, 2013 11:27 AM

                                I'm not sure the weight range of adult male crabs, but my dozen of jumbo last week were each 8 oz.

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                                  carolinadawg Jul 8, 2013 01:35 PM

                                  Um, you said the size of the crab had nothing to do with the gender. Males get bigger, crabs are sorted by size, and the larger crabs (males) sell for more. That's why some people like them better. Nothing else is really pertinent, today or 30 years ago.

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                                    James Cristinian Jul 8, 2013 02:27 PM

                                    Phoebe, I've been crabbing Texas waters over 40 years and I don't think regulations have changed at all. Females with eggs were illegal back then as they are now, that's why we threw them back. Size length hasn't changed, nor possession, all you can catch recreationally. Now about 30 years ago we were having a big day, but catching a lot of females with eggs, big brother and I tossed them back, but veterinarian friend kept everything, saying he would break out his vet badge and say it was an experiment, bottom line one 48 quart ice chest mostly males, another 48'er females with eggs.

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                                      Phoebe Jul 9, 2013 12:43 AM

                                      Where did I say the size of the crab has nothing to do with gender? I'm just simply stating from MY OWN personal experience, and the many years of living in MD, females were always thought of as inferior. (I never said whether this was a correct assumption or not.) Size or taste had NOTHING to do with this opinion. It was always the "extra" mess involved with females. This is some 25+ years I'm talking about. I never attended a crab feast where "mixed" bushels were served, or females alone.

                                      The point I was trying to make about size was that you could have a pile of females, much larger than males, and the males would still have been preferred, over the females. (Taste was NOT the reason!) I was only speaking from my OWN personal experience.

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                                        carolinadawg Jul 9, 2013 04:52 AM

                                        You wrote: "size and taste have never had anything to do with the great male/female crab debate". My point is that that is not correct. Larger crabs are preferred, and the males get larger, thus a general preference for males exists.

                              2. carolinadawg Jun 27, 2013 01:19 PM

                                I'm curious as to what differences you have encountered between the two. I would assume the males (jimmies) are larger? If so, then I would also assume they have more meat and therefore are easier to pick? I can't say that I've really noticed much of a difference myself.

                                We have always thrown back females (sooks) with eggs attached...I think that is one reason to "prefer" the males.

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                                  fldhkybnva Jun 27, 2013 01:57 PM

                                  Given my family's preferences, I've only had males so can't comment on any differences.

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                                    jeanmarieok Jun 27, 2013 02:09 PM

                                    We like the males better, for exactly what carolinadawg says - more meat and easier to pick. When I order a bushel, I always ask how the females are looking, and my fish guy will tell me whether they are a good size, or if I want to pay the extra for a bushel of males. The difference is usually about $30 ($110 I think for females, $140 for males last year)....

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                                      James Cristinian Jun 27, 2013 05:18 PM

                                      In Texas females with eggs are very illegal.

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                                        Jeanne Jul 8, 2013 11:19 AM

                                        The females with eggs are illegal in North Carolina also!

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                                          Cheez62 Jul 8, 2013 03:34 PM

                                          I've caught many crabs in North Carolina over the years, and have read the fishing regs in the past, so you had me wondering... nowhere in the NCDMF recreational crab regulations does it mention that taking gravid crabs is prohibited. There is a regulation against taking larger females from September to April, but that is as close as it comes.
                                          http://portal.ncdenr.org/c/document_l...

                                          If I am missing something that says it is illegal, I will gladly stand corrected, and be better informed. And for those of you who mentioned such regulations in other states, I noticed while searching that you are correct, at least in FL, SC, TX. In Maryland at least, recreational harvest of females is prohibited, period

                                          Having said that, I don't think that I have ever knowingly kept sooks with visible eggs. Perhaps in the 70's, when I was a teen on vacation and didn't know better. these days, they go right back into the water. But I have found internal roe in some females while eating fresh crabs, and perhaps that is what some here are referring to when they mention their taste for crab roe.

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                                            James Cristinian Jul 8, 2013 04:36 PM

                                            Yep, I just read some NCDMF regs, somewhat confusing, but saw nothing against crabs with eggs. Actually the crab part was pretty straightforward, but the commercial fishing was confusing, for instance do they allow commercial redfish and sea trout fishing, as the recreational limits are very restrictive?

                                    2. re: carolinadawg
                                      deet13 Jun 27, 2013 10:28 PM

                                      Down here in Florida you have to toss back the egg-bearing females. When I'm running my traps I typically keep the males, and toss back the females.

                                      As for size differences between the sexes, I've never noticed any appreciable differences.

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                                      treb Jun 27, 2013 01:17 PM

                                      She crab stew, yum!

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                                        aynrandgirl Jun 27, 2013 01:00 PM

                                        I fail to understand why one would care.

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                                          fldhkybnva Jun 27, 2013 01:57 PM

                                          I guess my colleagues should get a life.

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                                            FattyDumplin Jun 27, 2013 02:01 PM

                                            We used to buy blue crabs by the bushel for like $30... Those were the days. We always got females... Why?

                                            The makes are definitely meatier and bigger. Also cost a lot more. The females however have the awesome eggs that we Asians tend to love. Nothing better than crab meat and roe dipped in a mix of black vinegar and ginger!

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                                              emptybelly Jun 27, 2013 08:46 PM

                                              +1 on female crabs. Love the roe, almost more than the meat.

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                                                carolinadawg Jul 7, 2013 07:02 PM

                                                Illegal to keep egg bearing females in most states.

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