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So Paula did the Today show this morning

Firegoat Jun 26, 2013 05:00 AM

Did you watch it? What did you think?
http://eater.com/archives/2013/06/26/...

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    Bellachefa Jun 27, 2013 05:23 PM

    When you read the complaint and this link seems legitimate, and also has a link to the deposition, Even if only have of either are true - well

    http://nation.foxnews.com/2013/06/24/must-read-full-deposition-and-official-complaint-against-paula-deen

    http://multimedia.savannahnow.com/med...

    1. C. Hamster Jun 27, 2013 03:41 PM

      When you look up "insincere" on Dictionary.com you'll find a video of her Today Show appearance.

      Hand me the hammer...

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        Poochinator Jun 27, 2013 02:59 PM

        Paula Deen should never. cry. on. television. EVER!! That's all I have to say about this ignorant, crass, mess of a woman.

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          monavano Jun 27, 2013 03:29 PM

          That's what Oprah used to call the "ugly cry". She used to say she tried to NEVER cry on tv because she's an ugly crier!

        2. pinehurst Jun 27, 2013 06:33 AM

          Anybody ever read a short story by Flannery O'Connor called "A Good Man is Hard to Find". There's a character in it, a "kindly" gramma, a nice little ole Southern lady, who (spoiler alert) meets a rather interesting fictional demise. The character who dispatches her says something like "She would have been all right if she had someone to shoot her in the head every minute of her life"....out of context, it looks weird, but he meant "If someone could have slapped some sense into her every time she said something self-righteous, or dumb ass, or racist, or..."

          Paula would do better if she just had someone to lob a stale buttered biscuit at her head everytime she opened her mouth to say something ignorant.

          It's.Not. Helping.

          As JonParker said, just go now.

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            roxlet Jun 27, 2013 09:33 AM

            Love, love, love Flannery O'Connor, and you are exactly right with the analogy. Maybe it's time for her to pack her bags and go live at the P.O.

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              JonParker Jun 27, 2013 09:46 AM

              She was the best american writer of the 20th century, and yes, that's one of my favorite lines too.

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              Rigmaster Jun 27, 2013 06:30 AM

              What's being lost in all of this is that PD will be fine, but people who make their livelihoods through her won't fare so well. Maybe a bit bruised and damaged, and she'll have to sit out for a while. That said, she'll make a comeback that people will literally eat up.

              People far down the line will lose jobs and connections she provided. While some might say that's a part of the process, it's still unfortunate for those who've not been a part of it and not known about it until now.

              She should not have gone on TV for PR purposes - it's only coming across as insincere and self-serving. She should have gone on only to specifically apologize to exact situations - lawsuits pending and all - and then backed that apology with "I'll use this as an opportunity to do right and show who I am today, including..."

              She'll never restore who she was, but that's not the point. The point is to become someone better and to use the spotlight on her to show exactly how.

              And for all those corporations doing the high-morality dump on her, why not really put up and donate 100% of their take from her shows and products to worthwhile diversity and equality organizations? Oh yeah, that's not going to happen.

              As a matter of fact, PD's team should be putting together a cookbook of "previously unpublished favorites" just for the aforementioned organizations or, even better, minority students pursuing professional culinary careers who need the help.

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                Firegoat Jun 27, 2013 06:35 AM

                That's an excellent point. Her cookbook scheduled to come out this fall reportedly has taken off with tons of pre-orders since this scandal broke. It would certainly make sense for her to do something with the money other than line her pockets. Is it a superficial gesture? Yeah. But put your money where your mouth is.

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                  catroast Jun 27, 2013 10:04 AM

                  the bank she'll make will hardly compensate for the sponsorship lost.

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                cheesemonger Jun 27, 2013 12:03 AM

                How on earth can she sob so much and never shed a tear? Is she some kind of anomaly of nature?

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                  yummfood Jun 27, 2013 02:32 AM

                  haha...I was thinking the same thing while watching the interview.

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                    monavano Jun 27, 2013 05:07 AM

                    To give a little benefit of the doubt, Matt who interviewed her said she was extremely emotional in the studio after the interview.
                    I think Paula is upset about what it's doing to her empire and is distraught because of that, but I don't really know if she gets what exactly people find offensive and how to mitigate that.
                    She keeps missing the mark on her mea culpa tour.

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                      Jpan99 Jun 27, 2013 05:37 AM

                      That's the sad part. She doesn't see anything wrong with her behavior or the things she said. Yes, she is apologizing for a bad word she said 30 years ago but it's so much more than that yet that's what most people are focusing on.

                      That video where she's in an interview and talks about her black friend who is "blacker than that board" she sees nothing wrong with that. Then she calls him out to the stage "come out here, we can't see you when you're standing in front of that board." What kind of person says that to a friend, and then what kind of person says that about a "friend" on a televised interview? That's like me talking about my friend "Yes, X is my friend, she's fatter than a elephant but I don't care how fat she is. X, put down that cake and get your fat ass out here, I luv you darlin'."

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                        monavano Jun 27, 2013 06:13 AM

                        Such a great analogy! Funny too...
                        I think Paula parading her grown ass man bodyguard on stage was incredibly demeaning. So much worse than admitting to saying the N word in 1986. And if you believe that, I've got a bridge to sell you.
                        Well, you know the saying about "me thinks the lady doth protest too much"

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                          inaplasticcup Jun 27, 2013 06:15 AM

                          I think what she did to that young man is deplorable. Worse than the HAW HAW joke about his blackness was the overriding self-centered, devoid of any sort of empathy kind of opportunism that would allow her to even think it was remotely ok to dehumanize him and parade his blackness in that way to bolster or defend her image.

                          There are lots of people defending her for just "not knowing better," but whether or not there's an active animosity behind it, the woman clearly thinks that black people are there for her family's convenience. She's apologizing because she knows it's what the media and the public expect from her before they'll let her keep her mini empire, but the manner in which she always tries to invoke pity for her and her family's situation tells us there is no real regret or remorse for that kind of thinking in the present or past.

                          So even if there's no malice and she's just too stupid to realize how truly disgusting her attitudes are, she should just go away with whatever millions she's got left and take her ignorant teat sucking sons off into the sunset with her.

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                            monavano Jun 27, 2013 06:27 AM

                            she should just go away with whatever millions she's got left and take her ignorant teat sucking sons off into the sunset with her.
                            *******
                            this thread is just getting funnier and funnier!

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                              yummfood Jun 27, 2013 12:06 PM

                              Hahaha to your last paragraph, Inaplasticcup.
                              I agree 100%. How she treated her bodyguard was disgusting and I can't imagine how embarrassed he must of felt. Why she would even make that "black as the board" joke considering the the topic of the interview was about racism in the south is way beyond me.

                              I've always felt pretty neutral about Paula Deen, although her constant over-the-top sexual behavior with all her male guests have made me feel uncomfortable, but I've never disliked her. After this whole debacle and seeing her "apology" videos and interviews, it's hard to stay Swiss. In her interview with Lauer she didn't really seem apologetic but it seemed like what she was mainly upset about was the crumbling down of her empire. Also, Considering the circumstance she's in, it wouldn't have hurt her to be a little more humble rather than constantly mentioning how good of a person she is....ya know?

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                        Withnail42 Jun 27, 2013 01:17 PM

                        That struck me as well. Her eyes didn't even get red.

                      3. JonParker Jun 26, 2013 05:10 PM

                        I think I just read what should be (but won't be) the final word on this whole debacle. I wish I could take credit for it.

                        Paula, please pack your knives and go.

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                          dolly52 Jun 26, 2013 04:34 PM

                          I was amazed at how fast she has made herself the victim.

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                            C. Hamster Jun 26, 2013 05:10 PM

                            I her own eyes.

                            Whenever "the end of the day" is, we'll see if people that matter bought her pathetic spin...

                          2. monavano Jun 26, 2013 11:34 AM

                            Just watched Paula's Today Show interview. Hoowee, what a train wreck. I want to feel sorry for her and in a way, I do. I can not imagine life just spiraling out of control, and I hope she is getting the support she needs.
                            At the end of the day, she has said insensitive things and may have contributed to a hostile work environment. Maybe she thought she was not touchable and instead of just throwing money at the problem and make it go away, she dug in her heels and ran her mouth. Bad idea.
                            She's filthy rich and here's a word for you... niggardly. Talk about the irony in that!

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                            1. re: monavano
                              Withnail42 Jun 26, 2013 03:08 PM

                              A while back a professor got in trouble for using that word...correctly.

                              http://catholiceducation.org/articles...

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                              carbonaraboy Jun 26, 2013 10:28 AM

                              Dollars to deep fried doughnut burger buns, she'll have a show on Fox soon.

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                                INDIANRIVERFL Jun 26, 2013 11:26 AM

                                Travel Channel. Commentary on spy camers in kitchens.

                              2. Njchicaa Jun 26, 2013 08:40 AM

                                She was cringetastic! Her PR team is clueless. She needs to stop talking.

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                                  C. Hamster Jun 26, 2013 05:08 PM

                                  No shit.

                                  The fake crying?

                                  And call out for people who have never misspoken to hit her in the head with a hammer?

                                  WTF?

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                                    monavano Jun 26, 2013 05:14 PM

                                    That creeped me out. And playing the "Ginny" card? Shame!!

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                                      C. Hamster Jun 26, 2013 08:37 PM

                                      What's a Ginny card?

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                                        monavano Jun 26, 2013 08:42 PM

                                        Ginny is her grandmother name. She went into this spiel about her grandson not telling lies and how that's how she raised her family, addressing values I guess.
                                        It was sort of rambling.

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                                          dolly52 Jun 27, 2013 04:40 AM

                                          I feel it is all an attempt to turn this around to herself and family being victimized by this ordeal. She is a matuire shrewd business woman and didn't build her empire on tears and poor me crap, no way were those tears sincere.

                                          She is sorry she is being called to respond on her true feelings of superiority over the "common folk" and her racist attitude.

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                                  hueyishere Jun 26, 2013 08:25 AM

                                  To me, she didn't sound sincere and I think is nothing but a lying racist. If she had admitted her wrongdoing and sincerely apologized I would have thought maybe she does want to make amends, but she didn't, it is poor me, I never meant that, I have never been a racist. No go.

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                                    jujuthomas Jun 26, 2013 07:45 AM

                                    I did not watch the entire clip. What I did watch seemed very rehearsed and scripted.

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                                      Enigma3 Jun 26, 2013 07:15 AM

                                      The writers of Greek tragedy had a word for what we're seeing from Ms. Deen - omerta. Omerta is a human's built in fatal flaw that always seems to make it's appearance at a critical time. The human in question cannot see it but others can. The unconscious sometimes bursts forth in tragic ways. Paula, your 15 minutes of fame have expired. Tragically.

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                                        rockycat Jun 26, 2013 07:22 AM

                                        Not to digress too badly, but isn't "omerta" the word for the organized crime world's code of silence? Did you perhaps mean "hubris?"

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                                          Firegoat Jun 26, 2013 07:25 AM

                                          I will not eat hubris unless the side of flatbread is included in the price.

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                                            Withnail42 Jun 26, 2013 07:33 AM

                                            I find hubris goes makes a good addition to a sandwich.

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                                              LindaWhit Jun 26, 2013 07:44 AM

                                              I like my hubris blended with some roasted red peppers and Aleppo pepper, for a bit of a "bite". And sumac-toasted pita chips.

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                                              Enigma3 Jun 26, 2013 11:25 AM

                                              My mistake. Sorry. The word is "hamartia".

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                                                ttoommyy Jun 26, 2013 11:44 AM

                                                Got it. Thanks for the clarification.

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                                              ttoommyy Jun 26, 2013 09:53 AM

                                              "The writers of Greek tragedy had a word for what we're seeing from Ms. Deen - omerta. "

                                              It's "hubris." Not "omerta."

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                                                roxlet Jun 26, 2013 10:09 AM

                                                Francis Ford Coppola's word for what we're seeing is omerta.

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                                                  DeppityDawg Jun 26, 2013 02:27 PM

                                                  What we're seeing is the opposite of omertà.

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                                              MrsJonesey Jun 26, 2013 07:02 AM

                                              I don't think she did herself any favors on the Today Show. I think she is bewildered and has not yet been able to process everything. I firmly believe there are a lot of people out there who are prejudiced and aren't aware of it. It can take years, maybe generations, for this, shall we say "hidden" prejudice to be overcome.

                                              If I were in a position to advise Paula, I would tell her to go home and lay low. After a period of time, I would suggest counseling which would include viewing her apology videos and her Today Show interview. I hope in time there is an awakening in Paula. There is a great big audience out there who will listen to her. Maybe once her eyes are open, she could help open their eyes as well.

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                                                Veggo Jun 26, 2013 07:08 AM

                                                I have witnessed a fair amount of the aged southern mindset, and IMO the only way to be rid of it is to let it die off. Their children and grandchildren are much more enlightened.

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                                                  JonParker Jun 26, 2013 07:25 AM

                                                  I think where this conversation becomes difficult is where people use terms without any real agreement on their meaning.

                                                  I do not think Paula Deen is a bigot, in that I do not think she hates black people, wants them segregated, thinks they are inferior, or is incapable of forming lasting and close bonds with them.

                                                  I do think she is a racist, in the sense that she grew up (as I did) in a society where the children on TV were white, the children in storybooks were white, dolls were white, and whiteness was considered to be "normal." It's a far more subtle and often subconscious attitude that takes a great deal of introspection to understand, and can probably never be eliminated completely even in those of us who take the time to try.

                                                  Sadly, and not just on racial issues, Deen hasn't shown herself willing or capable of that kind of introspection. She looked in her heart, saw no bigotry there and called it good, and didn't look further into the attitudes that said it was ok to dress black men in white tuxedos as decorations.

                                                  If there's anything disturbing in this whole thing it's that the ones rushing to defend her are in large part bigots, and that makes it less likely that she will be able to make any permanent changes in her attitudes because of this whole mess.

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                                                    Nudibranch Jun 26, 2013 03:43 PM

                                                    I agree. It's not the active "send them back where they came from" racist that the word "racist" tends to conjure. But I think she's a passive racist, in that she completely internalized the systemic racism in the culture and is unaware/uninclined/unable to examine and jettison it.

                                                    That interview last year where she claimed white people in the South were *less* prejudiced because they saw black people (slaves and servants, I assume) as "family"? OMG. Yes, she's a racist. She's not marching with the KKK, but she's a racist.

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                                                      monavano Jun 26, 2013 04:01 PM

                                                      Paula was just so unaware when she told that grandfather slave story. I believe she truly thought people would feel sympathy for a slave owner. I wonder what the interviewer must have been thinking.
                                                      'Holy crap, this is going off the rails!"

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                                                      cresyd Jun 26, 2013 11:06 PM

                                                      I completely agree and also this is where all of Paula's apologies (both to Matt Lauer and the taped ones) have felt bizzare and off point. What I've read and heard about that has been offensive and uncomfortable to me, was not that she used a derogatory term. Moreover the way she allowed, as Jon says, a racist structure/environment to enter her business.

                                                      Not to mention as a spokesperson that interview she gave to the NYT is horribly uncomfortable. That she could have that focused a coversation about slaves and her family - and refer to them as "workers" and "part of the family". As a comment that makes me uncomfortable - then to hear that those types of attitudes have permeated a workplace, that's where I have a problem.

                                                      And I guess when it appears that someone has contributed to supporting racism in the sense of allowing such a system to function in a workplace (again, not talking about bigotry as Jon defined) - and to hear them apologize for bigotry or claim that they're not bigots - then it becomes this huge disconnect.

                                                      That combined with how she mentioned the woman suing her (as trying to take what she had), all of this feels very defensive more so than apologetic.

                                                      1. re: cresyd
                                                        monavano Jun 27, 2013 05:03 AM

                                                        The "feel" that I got from that NYT interview was one of patronization of AA people/slaves and her bodyguard. It was like "see, I'm not racist, my family has a history of loving our indentured servants!". And calling them family was beyond the pale. These are people violently taken from their own families and homes!
                                                        Ugh, it was just so tone deaf.
                                                        I don't think Paula is a horrible person, but I think she needs to examine the atmosphere she's created in her workplaces and step up and be a leader.

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                                                        DuffyH Jun 27, 2013 04:54 AM

                                                        I think a great many men should be dressed in tuxedos and used as decorations. Let's start with Henry Cavill and Hugh Jackman.

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                                                          Firegoat Jun 27, 2013 04:58 AM

                                                          I will take a side order of Ewan McGregor please.

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                                                            Phoebe Jun 27, 2013 05:12 AM

                                                            Please add Mr. Clooney to the list.... Tux or no tux!!!

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                                                    calumin Jun 26, 2013 06:50 AM

                                                    It was kind of a train wreck.

                                                    The one thing clear to me is that she isn't capable of understanding what it is that people are offended about.

                                                    Doesn't necessarily mean she's a racist, but she's certainly a by-product of a time when racism was endemic in culture and part of a family that never really pulled away from it.

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                                                      happybaker Jun 26, 2013 10:03 AM

                                                      I am not completely offended by the word, when she described how she used in, after being at gunpoint. Not perfect but human.

                                                      I AM completely offended by the thought that it would be cute and fun to have folks dress up as slaves.

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                                                        DeppityDawg Jun 26, 2013 02:35 PM

                                                        It was 30 years ago, so we can't necessarily apply today's standards. But if my wife told me "Oh my god a robber held a gun to my head at the bank today! That nigger said he was gonna blow my head off!" my priority would of course be to make sure she was OK and to be concerned about her as a victim, but I would still be taken aback and appalled at her choice of words, even taking the situation into account…

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                                                          dmjordan Jun 26, 2013 05:16 PM

                                                          I agree with you, DeppityDawg. I have never used that word and if someone held a gun to my head I KNOW I would never use the n word when telling what happened. There is a host of other curse words I would use but not that. I think you either use it or you don't. Kind of like when Mel Gibson blamed his anti-Semetic remarks on the fact that he was drunk. Nah. I don't buy it.

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                                                            C. Hamster Jun 26, 2013 08:32 PM

                                                            +1

                                                            I don't buy either if them . It's in your vocabulary or not

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                                                            mcf Jun 27, 2013 07:20 AM

                                                            Yes, absolutely! I'm quite sure I'd say a$$hole, preceded and followed by other expletives instead Her chosen word has never popped into my mind in any situation as the thing to call a person because they'd harmed or violated me in any way.

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                                                              Firegoat Jun 27, 2013 07:24 AM

                                                              I totally agree with mcf on this one. I'm not sure that mother f..... is any better but it is more likely what I'd come up with in the heat of the moment.

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                                                                mcf Jun 27, 2013 07:28 AM

                                                                If history is a teacher, I'm sure I'd have had it in my string of non stop outraged utterances.

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                                                        DeppityDawg Jun 26, 2013 06:48 AM

                                                        We're going to need some guidance from the "What's for dinner?" folks about how to keep up with the four (and counting) active PD threads on this board… "What's for breakfast, lunch, and dinner? Paula Deen!" Parts 1 through 79243.

                                                        On the subject of the "n"-word, PD either lied in her deposition, or lied to Matt Lauer today, or both. She is now on record directly and explicitly contradicting herself on this issue (which may not be a major point in the lawsuit, but is clearly important for the media and for many people following this story).

                                                        1. TrishUntrapped Jun 26, 2013 06:39 AM

                                                          On Today show, around 9:30, an announcement was just made that she lost another endorsement (Not QVC). I didn't catch what it was. Anyone?

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                                                            Firegoat Jun 26, 2013 06:46 AM

                                                            Might have been this.

                                                            http://eater.com/archives/2013/06/26/...

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                                                              TrishUntrapped Jun 26, 2013 06:57 AM

                                                              Yes, that was it. Thank you!

                                                          2. LindaWhit Jun 26, 2013 06:18 AM

                                                            Didn't watch. Read the Eater recap.

                                                            "There is someone evil out there who saw what I had and wanted it."

                                                            No mention of the lawsuit; no mention of the hostile workplace. Just calling the person who brought the lawsuit against her and her brother "evil."

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                                                            1. re: LindaWhit
                                                              Firegoat Jun 26, 2013 06:22 AM

                                                              I've just decided to try to keep my mouth shut on the issue now. As a lawyer I've known very very sue-happy individuals. I've turned down their cases. Likewise, I've worked in some very very hostile environments. Usually the only woman around 10-15 men who weren't going to tone down any of their boy's club atmosphere. I don't know what happened here. I'm not even going to try to guess. What happens will happen. I don't think she's going to be a bag lady any time soon.

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                                                                rasputina Jun 26, 2013 06:32 AM

                                                                Probably one of the most balanced posts I've read on this subject at Chowhound.

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                                                                  LindaWhit Jun 26, 2013 06:34 AM

                                                                  I don't disagree at all with you, Firegoat. I also suspect she'll eventually have another show. Perhaps not on the Food Network, but somewhere. She won't be suffering monetarily. There will always be some who will buy her stuff. I won't. Nor Emeril's, nor Rachael's, nor any celeb-chef's stuff.

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                                                                    Firegoat Jun 26, 2013 06:45 AM

                                                                    I admit I bought some Martha Stewart towels for my bathroom. (hangs head in shame) I really like them.

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                                                                      LindaWhit Jun 26, 2013 07:11 AM

                                                                      If you like 'em, you like 'em. :-) Martha's stuff is about the only one I might entertain buying. It seems of pretty good quality.

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                                                                        emily Jun 26, 2013 11:07 AM

                                                                        Shhh.... I bought some beach towels from that "upscale" catalog Martha Stewart had years ago. They're quite nice and have held up longer than many of my other towels.

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                                                                          jujuthomas Jun 26, 2013 11:11 AM

                                                                          Not a fan of Martha's, but the Martha Stewart sheets I purchased have held up better than many other brands I've gotten.

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                                                                            Firegoat Jun 26, 2013 11:13 AM

                                                                            I <3 my Martha Stewart towels.

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                                                                              MplsM ary Jun 26, 2013 11:20 AM

                                                                              Same. I love my still crisp Martha @ Macy's sheets!

                                                                        2. re: LindaWhit
                                                                          JonParker Jun 26, 2013 06:57 AM

                                                                          I needed a soup ladle after I lost my old one (yeah, I know). I got a 30% off coupon in the mail from Kohl's, so I went there and bought a Bobby Flay soup ladle.

                                                                          It makes a difference. I feel like a real Iron Chef when ladling soup these days. No way would I go back to a non-celebrity ladle.

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                                                                            Firegoat Jun 26, 2013 07:00 AM

                                                                            I'm fairly sure I am not the only one interested in the story of how one "loses a soup ladle"

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                                                                              JonParker Jun 26, 2013 07:03 AM

                                                                              It's very boring. I think it disappeared after I forgot to take it home after a church lunch.

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                                                                                Firegoat Jun 26, 2013 07:06 AM

                                                                                You couldn't have built that up a bit more for us?
                                                                                Was there an exorcism going on at the church that needed a ladle? Work with us here.

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                                                                                  JonParker Jun 26, 2013 07:08 AM

                                                                                  I'm nominally a Methodist. The closest I can get is that here in Oklahoma that's one step up from a Satanist.

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                                                                                    Firegoat Jun 26, 2013 07:10 AM

                                                                                    So perhaps you had to beat off a roving band of Baptists with said ladle???

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                                                                              LindaWhit Jun 26, 2013 07:15 AM

                                                                              Whatever you do, PLEASE don't go jumping on the counter on your cutting board, JonParker? :-P

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                                                                                Firegoat Jun 26, 2013 07:20 AM

                                                                                Look at the drama you are ladling upon us JonParker! We need more plot!

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                                                                                inaplasticcup Jun 26, 2013 07:34 AM

                                                                                Similarly, I purchased a Giada panini pan, and every time I take a bite out of a panino made in said pan, my teeth sparkle all the more.

                                                                                :D <-- See?

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                                                                                  rasputina Jun 26, 2013 08:28 AM

                                                                                  Did it come with a free baby doll T for the full effect?

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                                                                                    Firegoat Jun 26, 2013 08:29 AM

                                                                                    And a giant bobble head? Man.... I bet the tooth fairy assigned to her house has a lot of regrets.

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                                                                                      rasputina Jun 26, 2013 08:33 AM

                                                                                      My best girlfriend calls her lollypop head. I have to say when I saw her walk out on the recent Next Food Network Star episode she looked positively anorexic. She has always been quite thin but seemed even more so. And that was with TVs supposed added pounds.

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                                                                                      inaplasticcup Jun 26, 2013 09:04 AM

                                                                                      No, and sadly, my bewbs are no more fabulous than pre-purchase, either. :(

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                                                                                      alliegator Jun 26, 2013 08:38 AM

                                                                                      Geez, I need to get one of those things and stop wasting my $$ on bleaching at the dentist!

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                                                                                        INDIANRIVERFL Jun 26, 2013 09:10 AM

                                                                                        Dear Daughter likes PD and was excited to find her products in Big Lots. Had a nice chat about economics and the fact that PD's stuff was there because they couldn't sell it at retail prices. Then had a further talk that the PD cookbook she wanted to buy was great for Lowcountry cooking. But that just because Lowcountry was Southern, not all Southern was Lowcountry and she would need to buy more.

                                                                                        Thank you Paula Deen for this memorable teaching moment.

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                                                                                        Jerseygirl111 Jun 26, 2013 11:29 AM

                                                                                        Did it make your head bob like a chicken and your arms move like a Praying Mantis? Sorry but everytime I see her that's all I can think of.

                                                                                        1. re: inaplasticcup
                                                                                          Steve Green Jun 27, 2013 05:44 AM

                                                                                          But did you start pronouncing "mozzarella" in a forced, exaggerated way?

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                                                                                            inaplasticcup Jun 27, 2013 06:13 AM

                                                                                            LOL. Everyone in my family loves to go around saying Italian ingredients with hyperItalian diction, followed by a *DING!* to represent the blinding sparkle of the gajillion watt smile that invariably follows. ;)

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                                                                                              pinehurst Jun 27, 2013 06:23 AM

                                                                                              Everybody on this little subthread just made my month.

                                                                                              Pahn CHIT ta.

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                                                                                                Firegoat Jun 27, 2013 06:25 AM

                                                                                                On a similar note, I was watching American Baking Competition with Marcella as a judge. She talks completely normal (for me... basic midwest accent) until she pronounces chorizo or any other "Mexican" ingredient. Just makes me smile a bit and think about Ri COT tah

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                                                                                                  monavano Jun 27, 2013 06:29 AM

                                                                                                  i've noticed "everyone" calling it "ree-coat-ah". Emphasis on the "coat".
                                                                                                  Sorry, not going to catch on in my home.

                                                                                                  1. re: monavano
                                                                                                    Firegoat Jun 27, 2013 06:32 AM

                                                                                                    More of a windbreaker fan? Jackets?

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                                                                                                      monavano Jun 27, 2013 06:39 AM

                                                                                                      Yes!
                                                                                                      Ugh, I just can't keep up with how these crazy kids are pronouncing food these days. I think at a certain point, I'm just fine with how I pronounce something, barring any real missteps, like mascarpone vs. marscapone. I get that.
                                                                                                      I remember watching RR's show a couple years ago and she said she's changed the way she pronounced paprika because a Turkish (?) friend pronounced it PAPrika and I guess RR thought that was more authentico, so changed how she pronounced it, which I though was odd for a woman over 40.
                                                                                                      I'll always say potato, not patahto.
                                                                                                      Oh well...

                                                                                                      1. re: monavano
                                                                                                        Firegoat Jun 27, 2013 06:40 AM

                                                                                                        I did change the way I pronounced Quinoa after I turned 40. (and actually ate it.) And subsequently discovered I wasn't just pronouncing it wrong.... I was REALLY pronouncing it wrong. And now I have an idea for a new thread.

                                                                                                    2. re: monavano
                                                                                                      ttoommyy Jun 27, 2013 08:59 AM

                                                                                                      "i've noticed "everyone" calling it "ree-coat-ah". Emphasis on the "coat"."

                                                                                                      Have you ever been to Italy? It's pretty much how they pronounce it. A basic rule of pronunciation in Italian is that the second syllable is the one that is stressed. Also, the "o" is pronounced as a "long o" sound. I know we are in the US and pronounce foreign words as adapted to our language, but I am just pointing this out for what it's worth.

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                                                                                                        monavano Jun 27, 2013 09:19 AM

                                                                                                        Thanks for the background. I thought as much, but it seems to be catching on now. At least I'm hearing it more.

                                                                                                        1. re: monavano
                                                                                                          ttoommyy Jun 27, 2013 09:32 AM

                                                                                                          You're welcome!
                                                                                                          I think what we are seeing is an "education" of sorts on how to correctly pronounce foreign words that have been in our lexicon for years. The same with last names. News reporters are no longer required to pronounce their names, if Hispanic in origin say, as if it were an English word. They now pronounce them with all the flourishes one would hear in their native lands. For so long many foreigners and offspring of foreigners born in this country tried to hide their nationality in some ways and assimilate into the "American" culture. (This is especially true of people like more born in the 60s.) For the last couple of decades we have started to embrace our cultures and therefore there is a proliferation of words we were used to hearing one way now being pronounced the way they should be.

                                                                                                        2. re: ttoommyy
                                                                                                          roxlet Jun 27, 2013 09:27 AM

                                                                                                          More ree-cot-ah, not ree-coat-ah

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                                                                                                            DeppityDawg Jun 27, 2013 09:46 AM

                                                                                                            There are two different stressed "o" sounds in Italian. The one in "ricotta" is the open "ò" which is more like the one in English "cot" than the one in "coat" (actually something in between).

                                                                                                            But I'm guessing that monavano's point was that the most familiar (and fully acceptable) pronunciation in American English is something like "ruh-codda", emphasis on the "cod".

                                                                                                            http://www.merriam-webster.com/audio....

                                                                                                        3. re: Firegoat
                                                                                                          Withnail42 Jun 27, 2013 01:15 PM

                                                                                                          Marcella is all in with the Spanish pronunciation. She's like a bad stereos type.

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                                                                                                            Terrie H. Jun 27, 2013 03:45 PM

                                                                                                            Stereos type? Mine only manages to take up space and I don't know how to get rid of it. It never typed. ;))

                                                                                                            Truly, we are living in a global society, and we seem to want to immerse ourselves and learn and cook authentically. Not sure why actual pronunciation would be a bad thing.

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                                                                                                          sandylc Jun 27, 2013 07:26 PM

                                                                                                          spa-GEET-ee

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                                                                                                        mcf Jun 27, 2013 07:14 AM

                                                                                                        Didn't she grow up in Italy? So many Italian folks here say it "rih gut."

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                                                                                                          ttoommyy Jun 27, 2013 09:00 AM

                                                                                                          "Didn't she grow up in Italy? So many Italian folks here say it "rih gut."

                                                                                                          That's an Italian-American bastardized way of pronouncing it. In Italy, it's pronounced pretty much the way Giada says it. I grew up ans an Italian American pronouncing it "rih gut." But after having travelled to Italy and studied the language a little, I just cannot say it that way anymore. I am not being pretentious, it's just what it is.

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                                                                                                            zitronenmadchen Jun 27, 2013 09:51 AM

                                                                                                            There is in fact not really one Italian language. How you pronounce words in Italy depends on where you're from and which dialect you speak. Words like Rih gut, gavatel (cavatelli) mutz or mutzarell are from the southern dialects, where most Italians emigrated from.

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                                                                                                            dmjordan Jun 27, 2013 04:16 PM

                                                                                                            This sub thread is so long I'm not sure who to reply to. Anyway, today in the supermarket I saw a guy in a chef's jacket (Bella Sera restaurant) ask an employee if they had amaretto (pronounced a la Giada) cookies. Amaretto was the only word pronounced with the overly Italian accent. I had trouble not rolling my eyes. Damn, I actually went to the liquor store after that to buy amaretto. I should have asked an employee where it was just so I could pronounce it like he did!

                                                                                                      3. re: LindaWhit
                                                                                                        juliejulez Jun 26, 2013 09:49 AM

                                                                                                        There are Paula Deen knives in my kitchen. They were there when I arrived so I blame SO's ignorance about anything food or cooking related. I think his mom gave them to him when he bought the house, there's was all sorts of random hand me down stuff in his kitchen. They aren't bad knives though, I use the big chef's knife when my nicer Global is already being used for something else.

                                                                                                        And, I love me some Martha.

                                                                                                        1. re: LindaWhit
                                                                                                          DuffyH Jun 27, 2013 04:48 AM

                                                                                                          Emeril Pro-Clad by AC is good stuff. Dansk makes Mario Batali's cast iron pizza pan, also high quality.

                                                                                                          1. re: LindaWhit
                                                                                                            LindaWhit Jun 27, 2013 05:39 AM

                                                                                                            For everyone who uses celebu-chef branded cookware - I'm glad you like them and they work for you. I just never had a need to put more money in their pockets for something I sincerely doubt most of them use in their home kitchen, nor do I have a need for anything additional in my kitchen

                                                                                                            I'm 54 years old and I'm still using (mostly) the Farberware that I got when I was about 25 or so (after my first set of non-celebu-chef branded cookware lost all of its Teflon). Calphalon fry pans fill in the rest.

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                                                                                                              Firegoat Jun 27, 2013 05:54 AM

                                                                                                              My mother bought both me a nice set of Cuisinart cookware for Christmas this year. (I had lost my very large and wonderful collection of copper pans earlier that year to theft --- yes copper thieves don't just get your air conditioning tubing they will get your pans!) She had taped over the brand name and wrote "Rachael Ray" on the box instead. It made for a good laugh. Needless to say I'm not a fan and mom was well aware.

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                                                                                                                LindaWhit Jun 27, 2013 05:59 AM

                                                                                                                ROFL! OK, I like your Mom.

                                                                                                                And DAYAM on having your copper pans stolen. :-(

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                                                                                                                  Firegoat Jun 27, 2013 06:07 AM

                                                                                                                  Oh don't even get me started. Completely irreplaceable. And I know they were melted down for a tiny tiny fraction of what they were worth. Probably to fund someone's meth bake. I lost a lot of things in that theft but that is probably the one that I think about the most... every time I step into the kitchen. I am glad they were not replaced with bright orange RR products. :D The did catch the two thieves, and the brilliant prosecutor (I"m a former prosecutor so I feel like I have the right to talk a bit) reduced the felony to a misdemeanor and handed out probation. Recovered none of my property. They were ordered to pay restitution. A year and a half later, not a dime. And one is back in jail... only because I called their victim coordinator to ask why I had no restitution. She told me that an arrest warrant was out for one of them for "months" but they couldn't find him. I looked him up on Facebook and called her back. There he is! She said she'd let the Sheriff's office know. Saw he was arrested a month later and has been in jail about 3 more months. Yeah. I'm never going to see any restitution but it did make me feel a little better. )

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                                                                                                                    monavano Jun 27, 2013 06:19 AM

                                                                                                                    Wow, it took looking him up on FB to get him? What are these people doing for "months"?
                                                                                                                    I'm attached to some of my cookware, so I know it would hit me where it hurts. I also know I probably wouldn't be running out to get an orange handled oval pot as a replacement!
                                                                                                                    btw... love how RR talks about that pot like it's the world's most brilliant pasta pot. Uh, pasta gets pliable just about within seconds and then... tada! it fits into your round pot!

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                                                                                                                      Firegoat Jun 27, 2013 06:22 AM

                                                                                                                      Oh yeah. It hurt. I was in the process of moving states and had it in boxes (along with tons of other boxes) in a locked storage shed at my parent's farm. Some of them were antiques. One in particular was a gift from a dear friend and ridiculously expensive. The sad part is that I had a beautiful copper pot rack that hung from the ceiling for them.... they left that behind. I can't stand to even look at it.

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                                                                                                                      LindaWhit Jun 27, 2013 06:33 AM

                                                                                                                      Amazing. Just looking him up on Facebook - meaning it's a public page. Moron. He deserves to be in jail. Sorry no restitution, but at least a bit of satisfaction having found him and making him sit his ass in jail for a bit. Having the pots be antiques makes it worse. You're right - melted down for a lot less than they're actually worth.

                                                                                                                      And yes - kudos to Mom for not getting neon orange pots to replace the copper "because they're almost the same color!" ;-)

                                                                                                          2. re: LindaWhit
                                                                                                            EM23 Jun 26, 2013 09:54 AM

                                                                                                            At the 6:00 minute mark they start to discuss what she said in the deposition, and she states that she finds it “very distressing” when she goes into her kitchens and hears the “young people” throwing “that word at each other.” It sounds to me like she just acknowledged that her restaurant kitchens are, in fact, hostile work environments.

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                                                                                                              Firegoat Jun 26, 2013 09:57 AM

                                                                                                              I'm pretty sure most high schools are hostile work environments if that is the standard.

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                                                                                                                Njchicaa Jun 26, 2013 10:04 AM

                                                                                                                They are.

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                                                                                                                  Kalivs Jun 26, 2013 11:24 PM

                                                                                                                  Nah....I used to teach high school. Teenagers are much more mature than adults!

                                                                                                                2. re: Firegoat
                                                                                                                  EM23 Jun 26, 2013 10:05 AM

                                                                                                                  Oh good. I was interested in your opinion FG since you are an attorney.
                                                                                                                  As the employer, isn't she responsible for correcting the behaviors of her employees. By not doing so, isn't she allowing for a hostile workplace?

                                                                                                                  1. re: EM23
                                                                                                                    Firegoat Jun 26, 2013 10:16 AM

                                                                                                                    Ultimately as an owner she is responsible. I have no idea what they set down for their managers to follow or if their managers followed what they were told to do. I"m not her attorney and not an employment attorney and I have no idea how they set up their checks and balances and management. I can't really say more than that.

                                                                                                                3. re: EM23
                                                                                                                  monavano Jun 26, 2013 11:11 AM

                                                                                                                  My impression is that pro kitchen are pretty salty.

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                                                                                                                    Withnail42 Jun 26, 2013 03:01 PM

                                                                                                                    They are.

                                                                                                                    1. re: monavano
                                                                                                                      EM23 Jun 26, 2013 04:43 PM

                                                                                                                      Agreed. It just struck me as odd that PD, a defendant in a lawsuit charging a hostile work environment, would say that she has experienced distress listening to "that word" being used in her kitchens.

                                                                                                                      1. re: EM23
                                                                                                                        monavano Jun 26, 2013 05:06 PM

                                                                                                                        I can just see Paula covering her virgin ears and grasping her pearls at all the cussing in the kitchen.
                                                                                                                        Not.
                                                                                                                        In fact, I think she could make a longshoreman blush.

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                                                                                                                      Tom34 Jun 27, 2013 06:36 AM

                                                                                                                      She might be referring to black employees calling each other that word as it appears to be acceptable and commonplace.

                                                                                                                  2. TrishUntrapped Jun 26, 2013 06:01 AM

                                                                                                                    Well, she invoked the highly successful Popeye Defense.

                                                                                                                    My thoughts here, including a shoutout to everyone on Chowhound:

                                                                                                                    https://patriciagay.wordpress.com/201...

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                                                                                                                      Firegoat Jun 26, 2013 06:07 AM

                                                                                                                      I hope that means she said "I yam what I yam" and didn't just pop a can of spinach and eat it live on TV. I just don't enjoy watching canned spinach being consumed.

                                                                                                                      1. re: Firegoat
                                                                                                                        TrishUntrapped Jun 26, 2013 06:12 AM

                                                                                                                        Ha Fire!

                                                                                                                        My husband saw me posting and said for the cartoon I should put Paula's head on Popeye and put a large of butter in the spinach can. No, I said, this really isn't funny.

                                                                                                                        Hopefully a message was made loud and clear out there, and people will take it to heart.

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                                                                                                                        BiscuitBoy Jun 27, 2013 10:44 AM

                                                                                                                        Even Popeye was semi literate...."I is what I is" Was she making fun of the way blacks speak?

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                                                                                                                          Withnail42 Jun 27, 2013 01:14 PM

                                                                                                                          I think it is more her 'authentic' Southern drawl which has been getting more over the top and outragious year after year.

                                                                                                                      3. Veggo Jun 26, 2013 05:45 AM

                                                                                                                        Didn't move the needle.

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