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Do you wash your dishes before you place them in the dishwasher?

I do..
Couldn't imagine not cleaning them before they go in the dishwasher.
Never trusted those commercials.

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  1. I rinse only....easier to clean the food debris from the sink than from the dishwasher.

      1. re: jrvedivici

        If you wash by hand, you are not only wasting water, but you can never get the water hot enough to really clean.

          1. re: poser

            I don't own a dishwasher, but I assure you my dishes get "really clean".

            1. re: iluvcookies

              Indeed. I only recently moved into a house with a dishwasher, and I never had any problems. And you can get the water as hot as you want, it's just a matter of what your hands can stand. I built up my tolerance as a kid; we never had a dishwasher until my parents divorced and Mom's new house had one, when I was 17. I was the primary dishwasher.

          2. re: jrvedivici

            I prefer to wash dishes by hand too.

            I hope you weren't being sarcastic.

            1. re: miss_belle

              I've never even opened up my dishwater. Ever.

              I used to use my dishwater as storage space, but ever since I've moved to a bigger space, I have enough space as is.

              Everything done by hand, or not at all.

              1. re: ipsedixit

                we are the other extreme.
                We have twin Miele dishwashers under our kitchen Island and two dishwashing drawers in the built-ins in the dining room for crystal and silver.

                Day to day, cooking for 4 humans and 4 dogs we do a minimum of 2 dishwasher loads per day in the kitchen.

                The dining room dishwashing drawers are for holiday and company time use.

                1. re: bagelman01

                  I will have two dishwashers after our next kitchen remodel. Even with just three people in the house, more days than not, I could run two loads a day.

              2. re: miss_belle

                No sarcasm at all. I prefer to hand wash our dishes as I truly believe it get's them cleaner than the dishwasher. To me it's also easier to just do it and get it over with. Call it my ADD if you like, however I do prefer to wash my utensils in the dish washer. Specifically forks, but since I don't want to seem to bizarre I just throw all the utensils in, after whipping them with a soapy sponge by hand first.

                (it kind of grosses me out that I can't get between the prongs on a fork so that's the basis for my preferring the dish washer for them)

                  1. re: jrvedivici

                    You "whip" your utensils? Is that legal in your state?

                    1. re: Motosport

                      Hahahaha.......good catch, that's what I get for posting while at work, not enough time to go back and proof read. *Wiping with a soapy sponge.

                      1. re: jrvedivici

                        I was a proof reader in a former life. It's a curse!!

                      2. re: jrvedivici

                        Wow, I've heard of kinky fetishes but whipping your utensils? Hmmm..

                    2. re: jrvedivici

                      I too wash by hand. We're only two in my household right now, and our kitchen in tinytiny. I managed to make it out of childhood eating in the homes of family members who also didn't have dishwashers. Hot water, the friction of "scrubbing" things, and good soap is enough for me.

                      1. re: jrvedivici

                        Even people who have mechanical dishwashers, also wash dishes by hand, but not by choice.

                        People who prefer to wash all their dishes by hand usually don't have that many dishes to do.

                        I live in a household of 5, so there's no way I'd wash dishes by hand, especially since I do all the dish washing and kitchen cleaning. We run our dishwasher every one or two days, because everyone cooks. There are still a few dishes that have to be washed by hand...

                      2. Well, I scrape and sometimes rinse but I try to leave enough food on them so we can tell they're dirty LOL.

                        My dearly departed MIL would "wash" them before putting my dishes into the dishwasher, not run the cycle, and then put the dirty, but "clean" dishes away in my cupboards.

                        So we leave streaks of food evident, but not big chunks....

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                          1. re: nlgardener

                            Sometimes the only way I can tell if a load is clean is by the puddles of water on the tops of the bowls and tupperware. Otherwise I would often be at a loss. :p (I've only re-washed a clean load once in four months, so I think I'm doing okay. I need one of those little clean/dirty magnets.)

                          2. I have to rinse well because I have one of those old style dishwashers that I have to roll over to the sink to hook up.

                            My mother, however, has a higher-end dishwasher that would remove road tar without rinsing, but you could truly lick the plates in her "dirty" dishwasher. She won't believe us that she's wasting water and time, though.

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                            1. re: Terrie H.

                              I rinse, now if I could just get the kids to put things in the DW, I'd be happier...

                            2. I rinse only. the detergents need some stuck on food to work properly.

                              1. OMG ...SO other washes, I mean washes the dishes at least 2 times, that when our new all stainless steel LG unit broke, I did not replace it...(unit broke 14 months ago and cost us $1500.) SO has an issue and uses a gallon of Dawn every four weeks, wether or not she uses the dishwasher. (can provide the receipts for purchase to verify)

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                                1. re: PHREDDY

                                  Is your SO Brazilian by any chance? My former cleaning lady, who was Brazilian, told me that Brazilians use more Dawn per capita than anyone else. She used tons of it to clean just about everything. I had to buy a bottle every week. I tried buying a lower suds soap (we had a septic tank at that house), but she didn't like it because suds were a sign of cleanliness in her culture.

                                  1. re: Isolda

                                    No , actually she is from Ecuador. She justs pumps the dispenser, constantly. More annoying is when she takes a pot out from the cupboard, that she washed and put away,to use.......she rinses it! I have asked why?...her lament; I want to make sure there is no soap on it!!!!

                                    I gave up a long time ago!

                                    1. re: PHREDDY

                                      Whereas in Sri Lanka, we always wash everything before using because of all the insects and the geckos. Geckos pee and poop absolutely everywhere.

                                2. No - unless there's something dried on or really sticky (like rice) or really stuck on a baking dish. For ordinary meals, I often don't even rinse. Maybe 2-3 times a year I find something that doesn't come out clean.

                                  We do have a relatively new - 10 years old - dishwasher. Our previous one required much more aggressive pre-treatment.

                                  We also have a lot of things we wash by hand - some artisan pottery serving bowls and glassware other than our every day water glasses. I also don't

                                  1. We do.

                                    My wife and I rinse, or wash dishes in the sink, using biodegradable liquid soap and a plastic pan. The water is minimal, but ends up being used in the garden each day.

                                    The dishwasher is reserved for the full loads after 3-4 days, or on weekends when the family, or guests come to visit. Everything is rinsed, not for advertisements, but due to the fact that hard food left on non-rinsed plates and pans does not wash off in our dishwasher. Our sponges go in too each week, primarily for the heat-dry treatment on germs.

                                    1. hardly ever use the dishwasher. usally only after a big party because we use these clear class buffet plates instead of paper plates.... we have a jennair dishwasher and it runs realllllly hot but doesnt really scrape ... so by the the time you rinse well enough to go in the dishwasher you may as well have just washed them by hand

                                      1. I used to wash them first, but recently we got rid of our 20 year old dishwasher and now with the new one I just scrape them or give them a minimal rinse. I really didn't want to, but the salesman convinced me that newer dishwashers clean much better and the chemicals in the detergent need to have some food to clean off the plates or they will start taking the finish off the dishes. Also, articles in Consumer Reports convinced me of the water savings from just letting the dishwasher do its job. We let it work its magic on baking dishes, too. It's made dinner-time clean up so easy.

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                                        1. re: AmyH

                                          You don't actually have to use soap in the newer dishwashers. I often put them in after rinsing well, and just let the machine clean and sanitize them with heat and water.

                                          1. re: Isolda

                                            But if I have to rinse them well, then I'm not getting the water and time savings by letting the dishwasher do its job. It's easy enough to throw in a cake of detergent.

                                            1. re: Isolda

                                              I would think just vinegar, lemon juice, and baking soda would get them clean. Maybe a little citric acid??

                                          2. Yes, old habit. I consider a 'dishwasher' to be a
                                            'rinse and sanitizer', nothing more. I understand the new ones are supposed to be better, but...

                                              1. the dishwasher usually clears the plates from the table and all I know they are in the cupboards for the next use.

                                                ...OH!... you must mean the "dishwashing MACHINE" ... LOL!

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                                                1. re: Gastronomos

                                                  Our mechanical dishwasher is self-cleaning with the exception of the filter, thank you

                                                2. We minimally rinse. We have a newer dishwasher that cleans well. The old one required more rinsing as it didn't have the power to take off dried food.

                                                  The only dishes I wash with soap before putting in the dishwasher are dishes that contained egg - I hate the egg smell on dishes so I wash those with soap, then put them in the dishwasher for extra cleaning.

                                                  1. no, the dishwasher does a FINE job.

                                                    1. Usually just a quick rinse...maybe a swipe with the sponge if something is particularly caked on the dish or utensil. (Mostly items that have been hiding in my daughter's room for days. I found a bowl today, the contention which was a mystery. Oyyyy.)

                                                      1. If they need a quick rinse, then rinse. Otherwise straight into the DW.

                                                        1. Since it usually takes me 2 to 3 days to fill the dishwasher, in which leftover things can get caked on pretty well, I'll scrape them and give them a quick once over with a really wet, soapy sponge, and that seems to keep any trace goop fairly easy for the dishwasher to rinse off.

                                                          1. Because we run a full load after dinner, Mr. CB scraps the big bits off but does not rinse anything, it all goes straight into the dishwasher.

                                                              1. Occasionally if something is sticky or the plate has been allowed to dry. My father on the other hand washed all dishes with soap and water before putting them in the dishwasher.

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                                                                1. re: fldhkybnva

                                                                  I used to have to do that with our old GE Profile. New Whirlpool doesn't seem to need it, but I still rinse. Since we don't run the dw every day, we have a crock on the counter with soapy water for utensils, I have a pet peeve with forks that get dried food on the tines and don't clean, this takes care of that with no effort.

                                                                2. Just a quick rinse. I have a number of things that can't go in the DW, but anything that can, does.

                                                                  1. Nope. I scrape the big bits into the chicken feed bowl, or give them to the dogs.

                                                                    Waste of time and water to prewash.

                                                                    1. Consumer Reports (my bible) states that pre washing is just a big waste of water. In my experience they are correct.

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                                                                      1. re: Motosport

                                                                        Some people say that because it takes a few days to fill up the dishwasher, they have to rinse thoroughly. I say that it takes more water to rinse things well than it takes to just run it less than full - daily.

                                                                        1. re: sandylc

                                                                          I've never had trouble with dishes sitting a few days. There are only two of us and we don't use the dishwasher every day. We scrape off any solids into the trash. Spaghetti sauce, hummus etc. all seem to get clean without rinsing and wasting water.

                                                                      2. I usually don't have enough dishes for a full load, so I tend to only use it if I'm cooking up a storm or have company over.

                                                                        When I do, I almost always rinse (but that's out of habit). I'm going to try to remember to only scrape and put in the dishwasher, next load (should be tonight!) to see how well it cleans!

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                                                                        1. re: The Oracle

                                                                          Ran a load last night - first time EVER to not pre-rinse. Was a bit skeptical yet LOVED the ease of loading dirty dishes in the washer (how novel). Turned it on to a normal cycle and crossed my fingers. Unloaded it this morning and had SPOTLESS dishes and utensils.

                                                                          Now I'm curious what it will do to food stuck on for a few days (since I never have a full load if I'm not entertaining).... only one way to find out! :)

                                                                          1. re: The Oracle

                                                                            Then you should scrape the food off, rinse lightly, then wash

                                                                            1. re: PHREDDY

                                                                              I made the mistake of selecting the 'light' cycle on my dishwasher last night. I thought it made sense because it wasn't a full load. Nope - nothing got clean - not even the barely soiled dishes. Dishwasher with no pre-rinse FAIL.

                                                                              1. re: The Oracle

                                                                                Oracle, we leave our dishes in the DW for days before washing. We scrape food into the trash before placing in the DW but not thoroughly. The only items we ever have problems with are stainless steel, so unless we're washing immediately we always just rinse food off our stainless steel flatware placing in the DW. (Porcelain spoons, for instance, never need the pre-rinse.) And, yes, normal cycle always.

                                                                                  1. re: PegS

                                                                                    About the only thing I actually soak or scrub is melted cheese, otherwise it's a quick rinse.

                                                                                    I keep a crock with soapy water on the counter and we put all flatware in there until it's time to run the DW. The soap retards any rust or corrosion from our water softener. I rinse off butter & other fat first, DH does not, so once in awhile I have to dump out gunky water and put fresh hot water in but that's about it. I began doing this because our old DW was terrible, but it's a simple system to avoid having to check each fork and spoon, possibly rewash them.

                                                                                  2. re: The Oracle

                                                                                    Mine is permanently set to pot-scrubber mode. It's how the PO left it, and I've never changed it. Why mess with what's working?

                                                                                    1. re: The Oracle

                                                                                      @The Oracle, for some reason these energy efficient dishwashers being designed today have no pre-rinse cycle for many of the settings. I think this is kind of stupid, because for those of us not used to pre-rinsing our dishes before we put them in the machine, a pre-rinse is definitely needed before the main wash starts. Needless to say, on my Bosch the only cycles that get used are the Auto Wash and Power Scrub Plus. The other cycles don't incorporate a much needed pre-rinse.

                                                                                  3. re: The Oracle

                                                                                    I'm with you. Old DW was terrible, basically had to wash before loading. Got a new DW about 8 months ago, and keep trying to "challenge" it. With just two in our household, it can take a couple of days before washing. Our model also does not have a hard food disposer and I really don't want to have to clean out the filter so I rinse and load. So far I haven't discovered any limitations, so keep reducing the prep before loading. I think part of the determining factor would be the finish on the dishes. Something with a glossy finish like Corelle cleans like a breeze, maybe something like Pfaltzgraff might be more difficult. Am also putting more baking dishes and stainless pots with great results. AND the new machine removes lipstick marks, yay!!

                                                                                    I hand wash our fine china and crystal, thinking the DW detergent is a bit harsh for old finishes. Otherwise, I'm still experimenting--and rejoicing with every squeaky clean load!

                                                                                    1. re: The Oracle

                                                                                      Because there are only two in our household we run the dishwasher every two to three days. Everything comes out perfectly clean. I scrape but don't really rinse. Unless there's egg yolk involved.

                                                                                  4. I wash all of the dishes pretty completely beforehand. This is chiefly because our dishwasher totally sucks and will not clean pretty much anything off of the plates. We're in a rental, so we can't really control this. (And trust me, there are bigger issues that need replaced than just the dishwasher, so that isn't worth the battle.)

                                                                                    Typically we wouldn't use the dishwasher at all, but since I'm on immunosuppressant medication, we run all of the dishes through the dishwasher to sterilize them after washing.

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                                                                                    1. re: jw615

                                                                                      You're not alone. I spent 12 years with a lousy dishwasher in a new construction pretty expensive house. Thing sucked from Day One. I got used to filling a sink with water and soap and washing before I loaded the DW. Hopefully the heated dry will help you.

                                                                                    2. I do, not because the dishwasher won't do a decent job but because I don't want food odors to linger if I don't need to turn the machine on right away.

                                                                                      1. I scrub a little bit with some hot water and soap. It annoys me when my husband doesn't do the same thing that I do. He believes we have the dishwasher so we wouldn't have to wash the dishes.

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                                                                                        1. re: guillens89

                                                                                          I agree with your husband, Guillens. Anytime I make a statement about the different ways that men and women handle a problem, the "sexist" label pops up. Nevertheless, here is what I have observed:

                                                                                          Women want to save money or help the environment by not running the dishwasher often. Therefore, they keep putting dishes in the dishwasher that will not be washed for 3-5 days. Since the dishes are going to sit in the dishwasher, they have to be cleaned off thoroughly. In fact, women pre-clean the dishes so thoroughly that the dishes do not really need to be placed in a dishwasher. The dishes could just be dried and shelved.

                                                                                          Men are a bit lazy. Their attitude is that the purpose of a dishwasher is to wash dishes. Therefore, they put the dishes in the dishwasher without any pre-treatment. Men want to run the dishwasher immediately because the dishes have not been pre-treated and, if you wait, the food will dry onto the plates. Also, men want to wash the dishes immediately and, therefore, the machine rarely has a full load, resulting in better washing.

                                                                                          I agree with the men. Get the freshly dirtied dishes washed. Don't let pseudo-clean dishes hang around for three to five days.

                                                                                        2. We usually give them a good, very hot rinse, and then place them in the dishwasher.

                                                                                          Wine glasses are another matter. We rinse them, but then I handwash them the next day, when I am sober.


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                                                                                          1. re: Bill Hunt

                                                                                            At least you wait until you are sober. After a big dinner party, my husband will insist on doing all the dishes (very sweet of him, really). At least one glass ends up smashed on the stone tile floor, and I have to haul out the vacuum so that no one ends up with cut feet.

                                                                                            And this is why I buy cheap wine glasses!

                                                                                            1. re: Isolda

                                                                                              Grrr this. My SO will at least clean up the broken glass... but won't tell me he broke one of my pieces. Like I'm not going to notice? I've asked him to not wash my discontinued crystal pieces. I'll deal with them later. Anything else we wash by hand because it is usually just me anyway and hardly worth the bother.

                                                                                            2. re: Bill Hunt

                                                                                              Totally agree, sober and not tired is better! I can't do our fine china or crystal in the DW, they're old and the detergent can etch them. But once the DW is emptied of all the other stuff, I do use it as a dish rack when hand washing. When we bought this new DW I didn't think it completely through, as ours doesn't have a food disposer or a rinse cycle. Would love a rinse cycle so I could hand wash and then rinse all at once, and use for stuff that gets dusty in between uses.

                                                                                            3. We rinse. I really should say I since out of the 4 of us, I'm the only one that does. One sticks the dishes in the sink with food left on, one scrapes food then puts them in the sink. The 3rd scrapes, rinses and then puts them whichever way he can fit them in the dishwasher. So I load it all by myself even if some get in there.

                                                                                              1. If there is something really caked on, I'll rinse it. But I sure as hell don't wash it. Why bother with the dishwasher if you wash them *before* they go in the dishwasher?

                                                                                                Not everything of mine goes in the dishwasher. Pots and pans get hand washed. If I fill the top rack with smaller items before the bottom rack with plates, bowls, etc. is filled, I'll wash those smaller items.

                                                                                                Oh - and I'm a single person - and I still use my dishwasher. I probably run it twice a week once it's filled. I have a full set of dishes (actually, 10 of each bowl, mug, salad plate and dinner plate) so I have enough before running out.

                                                                                                1. I rinse them thoroughly so that not a particle of food is left before placing them in the dishwasher. With really greasy dishes, I also use a little dish soap and rinse well, then wash them in the dishwasher.

                                                                                                  I have a very good dishwasher (Bosch), but I know there's no little man in there scrubbing them, and the idea of food particles being tossed around just skeeves me out. I can't even watch those commercials with nasty lasagna pans being put--unrinsed, the horror!--into the dishwasher.

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                                                                                                  1. re: Isolda

                                                                                                    LOL! Too funny. I've actually done what they do in those commercials with a glass baking dish. It was smeared with all kinds of baked-on stuff (not burnt) but baked on. And guess what? The dish came out sparkling. The same wouldn't have been true if the the dish was made out of metal, but glass is a "walk in the park" for mechanical dishwashers

                                                                                                  2. Living in So Cal, water conservation is always a concern, so we scrape the plates and such but never rinse before putting in DW. Saves a lot of water to rely on the DW to do its job--which it does.

                                                                                                    1. No. My dishwasher has a soft food disposer built in, I believe most do. I scrape and put in the dishwasher.

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                                                                                                      1. re: Candy

                                                                                                        Our dw does not have a soft food disposer. I rinse large particles off, and anything that I think might dry and cake on. But the new dw seems to handle most everything so far and I'm getting progressively less finicky about it. Since we don't run it daily, I have a crock on the counter full of water + about a half pump of soap, we throw all stainless flatware, utensils in there until it's time to run the dw and I load that all at once.

                                                                                                      2. I'm trying to understand why you would even bother with the dishwasher if you've already washed the dishes.

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                                                                                                        1. re: escondido123

                                                                                                          It's called rinsing..

                                                                                                          With the two of us, it takes a couple of days to fill up.
                                                                                                          What is so hard to understand about that?
                                                                                                          Seems like most on this post do the same.

                                                                                                          I have a feature on my dishwasher that sanitizes and really heats up the water and that is something that could never happen, while washing the dishes myself.

                                                                                                          1. re: Beach Chick

                                                                                                            Except the subject of the thread (which you started) is: "Do you wash your dishes before you place them in the dishwasher?"

                                                                                                            And your response was "I do..Couldn't imagine not cleaning them before they go in the dishwasher."

                                                                                                            I'm pretty sure that's what escondido was referring to, Beach Chick. Actually washing them (which is what you seem to do in your original post) and a quick rinse (what others of us do if there is something caked on) are two completely different animals.

                                                                                                            1. re: LindaWhit

                                                                                                              Hey Linda!
                                                                                                              I qualify a wash as a rinse with a sponge to get the hard stuff off..
                                                                                                              I don't know anyone with a dishwasher that washes their dishes..maybe there is a small % that do but I deplore dish racks.
                                                                                                              A dishwasher is a great hidden feature for dishes to go away for a couple of days...then you hit the button and in a couple of hours, they are done.
                                                                                                              For the most part, the sanitize is what I'm going for.
                                                                                                              I want my dishes and glassware autoclaved/sterilized!

                                                                                                              1. re: LindaWhit

                                                                                                                Yes, that's why I posted my comment. I scrape my plates, empty glasses and only actually wash those items I'm going to then dry and put away. Now if I could just figure out how to get rid of the spots from our hard water--Rinse Aid doesn't do it and I can't afford a soft water system. For now, I take them out and wipe them down with a barely damp cloth--haven't found a better solution.

                                                                                                                1. re: escondido123

                                                                                                                  I changed to Finish, the tablet ones with the little red ball, and much of my hard water issues went away. In fact, gradually the haze on my glassware is going away. There is also another product, Lemi Shine, that helped.

                                                                                                                  1. re: blaireso

                                                                                                                    Those Finish tablets are great. I also notice the haze on my glassware going away when I started using them. I had previously used the Seventh Generation tablets and they really didn't clean well. I've also noticed some of the Pam buildup on my pyrex baking dishes going away from their occasional runs through the dishwasher.

                                                                                                                    1. re: blaireso

                                                                                                                      I also do a monthly clean with the Finish dishwasher cleaner and a cycle with CLR every 6 months. (The repair guy told me to do these...)

                                                                                                                      1. re: blaireso

                                                                                                                        I have found that if you use any of the tablets with that shiny gel-like abluent attached to them, the dishes come out wonderful.

                                                                                                                        If you live in a hard water area, adding 1/2 tsp of lemon juice, vinegar, slightly more detergent and baking soda, really makes the machine do a wonderful job. You don't need Jet Dry. And you don't want to use that stuff anyhow because Jet Dry is dispensed in the final rinse, and is made out of petrochemicals.

                                                                                                                2. re: escondido123

                                                                                                                  They still find it worth it, because rinsing is a small step. I never manually pre-rinse my dishes, and my dishes come out sparkling. But then again, I read the manual to my dishwasher and I have a $900 dishwasher, not some skank budget model

                                                                                                                3. It's actually better for the dishwasher if you don't pre-rinse. Dishwasher repair people will tell you that the detergent needs something to work on, and if there's not enough food/dirt on the dishes, detergent will eat away at parts of the dishwasher, namely hoses.

                                                                                                                  1. Only if there is something REALLY stuck on there. I make sure to scrape most of the scraps into the trash, but if a couple of those get in there, I don't get all hung up on it. Dishes always come out nice and clean.

                                                                                                                    BTW...I had a DW repair guy tell me that Finish Quantum (little tabs) is the way to go as far as detergent. Love that stuff.

                                                                                                                    1. I have to rinse; it's an ultra-cheap landlord-provided DW, and if there's any solid food on the dishes when I start theDW, at least half of it will be there when the cycle finishes!

                                                                                                                      I fill a pot (from cooking dinner) with hot water, and sozzle the dishes with a brush, and then load into the machine. Same with the flatware. So I'm only using a couple of quarts of water for the "rinse", but it's absolutely crucial for clean dishes

                                                                                                                      1. My teenage daughter went away with friends and introduced them to our family's way - scape off, no rinsing. Her friend's mother was so amazed that this worked that she called me up! She's a total convert.

                                                                                                                        For those who clean beforehand, especially if you have a newer model, why not try one load without cleaning first? You might be surprised, and think of all the time you'd save if it does work ;-)

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                                                                                                                        1. re: Chatsworth

                                                                                                                          I've been gradually reducing the amount of prep before loading, but with no soft food dispenser I just don't want to deal with the yucky filter. So, I'll try scraping and see what happens. Great suggestion.

                                                                                                                          The new DWs are sooo much better than older models, and you don't have to spend a fortune to get clean dishes with no hazing or etching.

                                                                                                                          1. re: blaireso

                                                                                                                            Update, thanks Chatsworth! Been cutting back progressively and now at the stage where, like Fourunder, I rinse the solids off and leave the rest. Even with a couple of days between washings, everything comes out clean! I am also conscious of conserving water, so this is a double whammy--less work, less water!

                                                                                                                        2. With our old dishwasher I scraped and rinsed first. I also had to make sure to never wash pots if if I wanted the top rack to get clean.

                                                                                                                          With my new dishwasher I only scape large pieces and never rinse. It usually gets run once a day but I find the seal is so tight that even if it sits for a couple of days it never smells.

                                                                                                                          1. I always clean off my dishes before putting them in the dishwasher because I worry also that the dishwasher we have will not actually have enough power to actually lean off all of the dishes well.

                                                                                                                            1. Always wash, use the dishwasher for draining and drying.

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                                                                                                                              1. re: Delucacheesemonger

                                                                                                                                You use it for storing clean dishes, which isn't that weird actually. Makes for a very expensive dish rack though

                                                                                                                              2. I do not. However, the dogs prep them for me. My dishwasher is a GE from 1982. Not sure quite what GE was doing so right in the 80s, but I'm not the only one with a dishwasher from that era that just keeps on keeping on.

                                                                                                                                I think it's also important not to insult your dishwasher by showing a lack of faith in its abilities ;)

                                                                                                                                1. When we were growing up, Dad referred to his sister as "Mrs. CLEAN"... she was/is a bit fussy & knows it ALL... and a GREAT LADY!!

                                                                                                                                  Both families were having dinner at our house. Dad put a plate on the floor for the DOG to "rinse" and I thought my Aunt was gonna FAINT!! We had a dishwasher but would often do this... not a problem imo!?! As she went on a mini-rant about how AWFUL that was, Dad picked up the "clean" plate and put it directly into kitchen cabinet... knowing it was coming back out to really get washed. She kinda stormed out of the house... didn't think his joke was "funny at all!"

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                                                                                                                                  1. re: kseiverd

                                                                                                                                    Just the kind of thing a brother would do! Pretty funny!

                                                                                                                                  2. Yep, almost completely. I've been trying to leave a little bit more residue on them recently, though, but I would always at the very least scrape before putting them in. I have a pretty nice Bosche dishwasher that is only a year old, so it's about time I see what it can do.

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                                                                                                                                    1. re: SaraAshley

                                                                                                                                      Sara we have a Bosch also (SHE55M12UC) and it makes my dishes sparkle. No, you don't need to pre-rinse (just scrape) as long as you use the Auto-Wash cycle. That and the Power Scrub cycle are the only cycles that will use a pre-rinse automatically if needed. You'll be suprised at how much time and water you actually save by not pre-rinsing. It's silly to pre-rinse. It wastes water and time. It's also not good for your dishes or machine.

                                                                                                                                      1. re: BlogZilla

                                                                                                                                        Interesting. Like minds think alike.

                                                                                                                                        We also have a Bosch DW (same Nr.), in 220-240v. It works very well.

                                                                                                                                        As I pre-scrub and rinse first in the sink, I too skip the Power Scrub cycle, which cuts the time and water usage in half.

                                                                                                                                        Another benefit: As our kitchen is joined to the living and dining room remodeled without walls, it also cuts the DW noise.

                                                                                                                                    2. I make sure there is no food on them before anything goes into dishwasher. (It's not the best dishwasher). However, teenage stepdaughter doesn't seem to understand: it's a dishwasher, not a disposal. I got so tired of finding food on glasses. Her father and I clean the kitchen after supper now.

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                                                                                                                                      1. re: luvcubs

                                                                                                                                        A friend with three teenagers and the same lousy dishwasher we had trained her kids to put their glasses in a dishpan full of soapy water as they used them. She could then load the DW at the end of the day with a reasonable certainty that they'd get clean. I keep a crock on the counter full of water and a tiny squirt of detergent and we stick all washable utensils in it and I load them just before running the DW. No dried egg! Particularly helpful if you don't run the DW daily. Either of these ideas might work for you.

                                                                                                                                        1. re: blaireso

                                                                                                                                          I appreciate the ideas. This has been an issue for over a year now. (there are others). And now I'm so mad I'm not willing to do anything to make it easier on her. I had told her once that if the dishwasher was empty, then I could clean as I go. So after dinner that night, she walked in, looked at the plates, decided there was not enough that had to be done and just walked back out. Yes, we have a major power struggle going on. She's 17. (What makes it worse is that this is not an issue I had with my own son--who cleaned the kitchen from the time he was 12. And we had an even worse dishwasher). But I do appreciate the ideas. I like that idea when I'm storm-cooking. (Cooking up a storm!).

                                                                                                                                          1. re: luvcubs

                                                                                                                                            Ah, I remember those days of passive aggressive stepchildren! Here's the good news: they'll move out. The bad news: mine are in their 40s and the girl still finds ways to zing me.

                                                                                                                                            Stepson used to load the dishwasher wrong no matter how many times I showed him how. But he was wonderful at taking out the garbage, a nice help. So, you have to figure out what you want to do yourself and what she likes to do and hand out compliments like crazy when she deigns to lift a finger. Maybe there's something else she'd rather do?? some kids are just resentful and some don't "see" the mess you see. We used to call it "boy clean."

                                                                                                                                            1. re: blaireso

                                                                                                                                              I appreciate the words of encouragement! It's nice to know it isn't just me!

                                                                                                                                              And we tried a different chore.... She says she knows how to clean the floors. They've been done twice. In 6 weeks. and not very well. I've never seen a household where a teenager doesn't have a daily chore. Drives me nuts.

                                                                                                                                              (We're on the 1 1 /2 year plan... her father has already said after graduation--she'll be 18--she will have to move back in with her mother)

                                                                                                                                      2. I always have -- it's probably 'cause the first dishwasher I had wasn't a very good one and the habit's stuck with me. A lot of my dishware and glassware isn't dishwasher-appropriate, alas -- so we do a lot of hand-washing.

                                                                                                                                        I'm fascinated by the dishwasher we bought for the bar at our restaurant. It has a built-in Energy-Star rated water heater and has a computer in it and sensors which measure water temperature, inlet pressure and spray pressure so it basically "knows" when the dishes are clean, despite variations in water temperature and pressure. It gets off even the new water-proof lipstick! All this being said, it cost over $5,000. But I find it easy to resist having to pre-wash anything I put in there!

                                                                                                                                        A close friend crows about his Bosch dishwasher which is one of the most energy- and water-efficient models. But he, too, pre-washes. Why? He told me if they just scrape and don't at least rinse, they get dirty dishes...

                                                                                                                                        1. I have a really substandard Kenmore d/w which we bought new. It does not work as well as our old Kitchen Aid model; the only thing it has on the old one, which finally went kaput after 20 years, is it is nice and quiet. I had my reservations about Kenmore and I don't know why I let the salesman talk us into this hunk of junk. We pre-rinse, because it wan't getting our dishes clean enough with just scraping, and the Kenmore repair guy said it was clogged with small particles. Evidently this model has no trap for food debris. But I am inclined to just buy a new model, because you are not supposed to need to pre-rinse. In fact, according to what I've been reading, you aren't supposed to, period: http://shine.yahoo.com/green/should-y...

                                                                                                                                          And, here's another: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/21/gar...
                                                                                                                                          Maybe all those people who "trust those commercials" aren't as stupid as you thought!

                                                                                                                                          1. The gov't issued energy efficient appliance mandate;todays "digital age" market;and American consumers wanting inexpensive products all play a part in this discussion.

                                                                                                                                            They have to use less energy so now dw's have smaller motors that use less energy.That gives us less performance and by nature gives you a quieter machine.Most local governments also have mandated phosphate free detergents giving us less cleaning ability/water softening.

                                                                                                                                            Major household appliances havent gone up in price very much since the 1970's as compared to other products so you get what you pay for.

                                                                                                                                            You like digital stuff without knobs,D/W's give off a lot of water vapor and these cheap electronic boards dont like water so they break down a lot.

                                                                                                                                            You arent going to put your dishes into todays modern d/w's with any soft & hard food particles attached and expect it to always give you good results.Continue without scraping food particles will have your technician out to clean this matter from the sump.

                                                                                                                                            Use powder detergent only.Gels and the cleaning gimmicks arent liked by the dw and someday a qualified technician will tell you so.

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                                                                                                                                            1. re: shikken

                                                                                                                                              Please don't generalize. While most people prefer dishwashers with push buttons or touch pads, I prefer the ones that used to have knobs.

                                                                                                                                              Ten years ago, our $1000 Asko used to have a knob. Best dishwasher we ever had. That's was a Rolls Royce dishwasher. Now you cannot find such a dishwasher anymore, simply because, they don't look as nice.

                                                                                                                                            2. Many people cannot drop the wasteful habit of pre-rinsing because :

                                                                                                                                              1. Indeed, heavy soils are supposed to be scraped off before putting the dishes in the dishwasher. So they just rinse them

                                                                                                                                              2. Also, a lot of people have cheap dishwashers that don't work well, making it necessary to pre-rinse.

                                                                                                                                              I don't rinse anything beforehand. I scrape the heavy soils and crud in the trash before I put the dishes in. Why waste water on the garbage disposal. I also compost a lot, so I don't think sink garbage disposals are a 'green' thing, for those who care. Everything washes off and sparkles with my dishwasher, except for some high protein items like soy milk shake, egg yolks and egg whites, almond shake. So I usually wash and rinse those types of soils off by hand.

                                                                                                                                              The dishwasher usually doesn't do that great of job with pots and pans, unless there is some type of non-stick coating on the cooking surface. It never succeeds in washing grease burn marks off the steel, etc. Only SOS pads will take care of that, I don't care how much Power Scrub cycle you use.

                                                                                                                                              I have also found that with these new high-efficiency dishwashers, if you live in a hard water area, the amount they give you in those small detergent tabs is not enough. 1/3rd more gives you the best results. Also if anyone has ever checked the size of the detergent cup, they're way larger than those detergent tabs are.

                                                                                                                                              The new dishwashers also don't finish rinse thoroughly. They only give one or two finishing rinses. What kind of engineers thought that would be enough? I want all the detergent and what not rinsed off my dishes when they are done. I don't even like rinse agent on them, so I don't use any. That stuff's not good for you anyway, or the environment. Have you ever done a search on the internet to try and find out what Rinse-Aid is made of? Good luck. They don't want to tell you for the reasons I mention.

                                                                                                                                              It drives me crazy, but there is nothing I can do to break others of this habit.

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                                                                                                                                              1. re: BlogZilla

                                                                                                                                                Wow...who knew that the Cascade's Kitchen Counselor was in da house!

                                                                                                                                                1. re: Beach Chick

                                                                                                                                                  Cascade's Kitchen counselor? What? Listen here smarty pants. That has nothing to do with it. I'm talking from my own experience.

                                                                                                                                                  1. re: BlogZilla

                                                                                                                                                    Listen here Smarty Pants, I'm the OP of this post...so there.

                                                                                                                                                    You really should get yourself an agent, a SAG card and be the next 'Cascade Kitchen Counselor'..
                                                                                                                                                    ; )


                                                                                                                                                    1. re: Beach Chick

                                                                                                                                                      @Beach Chick, you are making fun and light of this matter, however, many people rinse their dishes before they put them in the dishwasher, but this is a silly practice. And I'm not really sure I understand why people do it. All it does is waste time, water, etc. The detergent needs something to attack, otherwise, what do you want it to attack, your dishwasher's plumbing, or to etch your glassware, etc? ?

                                                                                                                                                      The last time I checked, a dishwasher has a pre-rinse cycle and is designed to handle getting dishes clean without the need for pre-rinsing. If a dishwasher can't handle dishes not being pre-rinsed, as I've seen claimed on here, then there is something wrong with their dishwasher. Usually the problem is, they have a eh em , BUDGET model.

                                                                                                                                                      One big problem is many don't read the instructions manual of a dishwasher and don't load it properly. Had I not read mine, I wouldn't have known that only the Power Scrub and Auto Wash cycle have pre-rinses. Also there are special things that have to be done to set the high heat rinse cycle, etc..

                                                                                                                                                      By the way, I am an actor, but I dont' have a SAG card. This issue needs no acting, and I am not when speaking of it.

                                                                                                                                                      As far as being Cascade's spokesmodel. I use Trader Joe's brand. P&G tests (tortures) animals with their products, so no, no, and no.

                                                                                                                                                2. re: BlogZilla

                                                                                                                                                  I think I said already on this thread that I do a quick wash before. I've been trying to less and less lately, and I'm finding that my Bosche is doing a mighty fine job on it's own. I was just afraid that it wouldn't, and then I'd have to re-wash the dishes by hand and run them again in the dishwasher. Ain't nobody got time for that!

                                                                                                                                                  1. re: SaraAshley

                                                                                                                                                    @ SaraAshley, I understand that. LIke I said cheap (referring to quality, not cost) dishwashers won't do the job right, however Bosch's work like they're supposed to, now the Whirlpool brands are another story. They're terrible. Whirlpool should just move to Wall Street and get into the hedge fund business. Their minds are somewhere else.

                                                                                                                                                3. Hi, my name is mikie and I'm a water wasting dish washer.

                                                                                                                                                  I'm not typically obsessive about cleanliness, but there are two of us, even when there were 3 or 4 of us, the dishwasher didn't need to cycle after every meal, if it doesn't cycle soon after the dishes are placed in the washer, some of that food just isn't coming off. I grew up in a house without a dish washer unless you count my mom, sometimes there was a dish dryer too, dad. So I'm not opposed to hand washing only. But I like the idea of the high temp wash killing something I may have missed. It can't use much more water to go over the plate with a soapy sponge and then into the dish washer than just to run water over the plate to get the loose food off. I don't buy into scrape and into the dishwasher.

                                                                                                                                                  One of my girls had room mates in college that just went straight from the table to the dishwsher. She had to wash every dish she took out of the cabinet to use as there was always food left behind. She figured her roomies only ran the dishwasher when it was totally full to save on water, electricity, dish soap, etc. but she wouldn't eat on a dirty plate, so they got washed again anyway.

                                                                                                                                                  1. Like I have said before, and I'll say it again. Those of you who insist on rinsing your dishes before you put them in the dishwasher have NEVER had a GOOD mechanical dishwasher.

                                                                                                                                                    While it's true that some substances like high-protein items (egg, soy, dried banana) won't come off in the wash, everything else will.

                                                                                                                                                    And it's not just about cleaning dishes. The major advantages of a mechanical dishwasher are listed below:
                                                                                                                                                    1. Hides dirty dish clutter instead of having it sprawled all over the sink and counter

                                                                                                                                                    2. Keeps the majority of smelly dishes off the counter and out of the sink

                                                                                                                                                    3. Hides clean dishes until you put them away

                                                                                                                                                    4. Uses less water than hand dish-washing (simply because based on the amount of dishes they can wash at one time (LOTS!) , the amount of water is almost miniscule)
                                                                                                                                                    5. Saves up to an hour or more of clean up time

                                                                                                                                                    6. Sanitizes dishes and removes staph germs you otherwise might not remove

                                                                                                                                                    7. The mechanical dishwasher also washes with bleach and acids, and up to 155 degree water - something you probably wouldn't want to try doing by hand

                                                                                                                                                    8. Some of them actually sound nice when operating

                                                                                                                                                    For those so ready to gripe about energy costs, they only use about $35 a year in electricity at the most, and most of them made today, at the most, only use about 6 gallons of water per wash

                                                                                                                                                    Stay away from those disgusting, noisy budget models and you might find you actually like mechanical dishwashers. Remember, if the decibel rating is higher than 47, the machine is probably loud or makes more noise than you want. 47 decibels and below is refrigerator noise level.

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                                                                                                                                                    1. re: BlogZilla

                                                                                                                                                      please name a few top models that do what you say