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Favorite wine with lamb

chloebell Jun 22, 2013 12:30 PM

We're grilling lamb tonight & cannot wait. I'm thinking of a Syrah, but what would y'all drink?

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  1. foodieX2 RE: chloebell Jun 22, 2013 12:34 PM

    I like a fruity Pinot but a syrah would be good too.

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      Hecetamom RE: chloebell Jun 22, 2013 12:51 PM

      Love Zinfandel with lamb!

      1. Chinon00 RE: chloebell Jun 22, 2013 02:39 PM

        Isn't Cabernet Sauvignon the classic pairing for lamb?

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          maria lorraine RE: Chinon00 Jun 22, 2013 07:10 PM

          Not in my experience. For plain lamb, seasoned with salt and pepper, possibly garlic, Cabernet is too strong. Pinot Noir is perfect.

          Add rosemary, heavier seasoning and grilling to the prep, and Cabernet almost works, but not as well as Syrah or Merlot. Cabernet dominates nearly all lamb preps; the flavors of the lamb and the flavors of the wine are not in equal intensity, so the pairing does not work as well as other varietals, at least for me.

          Syrah is good for preparations with a marinade, especially those with tamarind or pomegranate.

          Another factor in pairing in addition to prep is the source of the lamb, and how strong the mutton flavor is. Some Australian lamb is quite mutton-y, and can stand up to a more powerful red; Colorado and Sonoma lamb are lighter in flavor and almost sweet, without that particular mutton-y twang in their flavor.

          With spring lamb, also called new/young/baby lamb, the flavors are even more delicate, and it pairs well with lighter red wines, along the lines of a Beaujolais Villages or even Grenache.

          1. re: Chinon00
            Bill Hunt RE: Chinon00 Jun 23, 2013 09:22 PM

            While not the "last" wine that I would choose, it would be down my list.

            Northern Rhône Syrah
            Pinot Noir, or Grenache (Southern Rhône for me)
            1er Cru Gamay
            Then, Cab Sauvignon

            Just MY palate,


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              Chinon00 RE: Bill Hunt Jun 24, 2013 03:08 AM

              Some of those grapes I'd imagine are quite tannic while others are not. Is that an issue?

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                Bill Hunt RE: Chinon00 Jun 24, 2013 06:26 PM

                Some can be.

                I usually dredge something up from the cellar, with a bit more age on it, and usually with tannins that have softened over time.


            2. re: Chinon00
              zin1953 RE: Chinon00 Jun 24, 2013 07:00 AM

              Not to my palate . . .

            3. tim irvine RE: chloebell Jun 22, 2013 03:40 PM

              To me it makes a difference how it is prepared. For a simple roast leg of lamb, I am going with a cab. For grilled chops, a zin. For a rack, maybe a pinot. Weird?

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                maria lorraine RE: tim irvine Jun 22, 2013 07:10 PM

                Not at all weird.

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                  sunshine842 RE: tim irvine Jun 23, 2013 08:13 AM

                  totally agree with you.

                  Grilled or in a north African dish, frequently a rosé.
                  Roasted, typically a Côtes du Rhone (which is a fallback choice for all lamb)
                  Braises, we go bigger...up to and including Cahors.

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                  collioure RE: chloebell Jun 23, 2013 07:09 AM

                  Here with grilled lamb I prefer a rich local red unusual in that that contains no Carignan - Saveur de Vigne, Domaine Serrelongue, Maury (Mourvèdre-Syrah-Grenache). A steal at 9€, not exported.

                  I expect the next vintage of this wine to carry the new appellation Maury sec (appellation Maury is for port-like wines). Always wins a gold medal in Paris. A wine that never disappoints, I take at least 6 bottles every year - no need to taste. Julien Fournier insisted I taste the first time - so I took 12 instead of 6.

                  He is one of the talented younger vintners in the Fenouilledes. He makes all his domaine wines from 5 hectares (12.5 acres) of vines; his other 35 hectares produce for the fine local co-op.

                  But I only reach for Saveur de Vigne because I have no Zinfandel or Primitivo !!!! (Used to bring some back in my carry-on luggage).

                  PS I love Mourvèdre. By far the least planted and most difficult to tame of our four Mediterranean red grapes, it is the variety preferred by our top winemakers, generally reserved for premium blends. They consider Syrah rather straightforward/dimensionless.

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                    goldangl95 RE: chloebell Jun 23, 2013 09:36 AM

                    Depends on the prep. When we do lamb with fruit (e.g. roast lamb leg with citrus), then full bodied feminine pinots or grenaches work well. Brunellos can work depending.

                    When we do lamb more mediterranean/middle eastern in style (cumin, cilantro, mint) - full bodied feminine pinots can work again sometimes a light european cab franc, or a merlot blend with a decent amount of "green" to it works well.

                    I would avoid any wine that has a lot of meaty/bacon/funky notes as lamb is pretty gamey itself. Every type of red can take on this characteristic, but I find Syrah particularly can have this quality.

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                    1. re: goldangl95
                      sunshine842 RE: goldangl95 Jun 23, 2013 10:12 AM

                      I'm with you...as a rule, I tend to choose wines from or in the style of the region of the recipe -- lamb or no.

                      This is a really easy pairing rule-of-thumb that is as close to failsafe as you can get...the locals figured out what to drink with that recipe generations ago -- follow their lead.

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                      INDIANRIVERFL RE: chloebell Jun 23, 2013 09:59 AM

                      Call me crazy, but....

                      If you are going to spatchcock a lamb over a fire or grill, I love to baste a garlic infused olive oil using rosemary leaves. Final crust sprinkled with Kosher or sea salt.

                      A vin de Atlanta, domaine Georgia, accompanies it wonderfully for me. Acid and sweat notes seem to perfectly pair with the char of the lamb. That's right, Coca-Cola. Recommended in Patmos, Greece.

                      I am not kidding. Give it a try and let me know your thoughts. Along with any of the other fine recs here.

                      BTW, diet is a nogo.

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                        collioure RE: INDIANRIVERFL Jun 23, 2013 12:48 PM

                        You need to get out more. Really.

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                          maria lorraine RE: INDIANRIVERFL Jun 23, 2013 05:37 PM

                          I have found that wines with flavors in the cola/cherry cola/Dr. Pepper/sassafras/horehound pantheon do well with lamb.

                          So I get it....it's just that Coke is not wine. But I get it.

                        2. Robert Lauriston RE: chloebell Jun 23, 2013 11:04 AM

                          Pinot Noir, Rhône reds.

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                            teezeetoo RE: Robert Lauriston Jun 23, 2013 05:45 PM

                            aged lamb, cote rotie, ribeira de duero
                            spring lamb - lighter reds, pinot noir or tempranillo

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                              BN1 RE: teezeetoo Jun 23, 2013 06:56 PM

                              Cote Rotie - Although I love these wines, the trouble I have with Northern Rhone Syrah is that it needs age in the bottle. I can never seem to get this right, so it’s hard to pair with the meal. Is there a solution to this?

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                                Bill Hunt RE: BN1 Jun 23, 2013 09:30 PM

                                I almost always cellar my Northern Rhônes, so it is seldom an issue with me.

                                If I see that I am running out, a call to K&L gets me back on track, unless it's Summer in Arizona. Then, I am on my own, and will go to the PN's.


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                                  BN1 RE: Bill Hunt Jun 24, 2013 12:24 AM

                                  Generally, how long do you cellar your Northern Rhônes? I usually wait until they have over 5 years at least, but they are often closed until long past the meal. Do you just need to know the producer? Is there a safe rule of thumb?

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                                    Bill Hunt RE: BN1 Jun 24, 2013 06:28 PM

                                    For me, 5-10 years is about the average. With the La-Las, for instance, I normally go for a few more years, but it can depend.

                                    In an ideal world, I will have about 6 btls. of each wine and each vintage, and sample them, as time goes by. In an imperfect world, it's maybe Cellar Tracker, or a wild guess.


                            2. re: Robert Lauriston
                              Bill Hunt RE: Robert Lauriston Jun 23, 2013 09:27 PM

                              I sort of juggle things a bit, but in general, do agree with you, and especially those Rhône reds (Northern first, but Southern next). PN falls into position # 3 for me, but I see it recommended with Lamb more than Syrah, or Grenache/Ganarcha.


                            3. Bill Hunt RE: chloebell Jun 23, 2013 09:19 PM

                              Too late to help, but with Grilled Lamb, I am a fan of a Northern Rhône Syrah.

                              Good luck, and hope that you enjoyed.


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                                chloebell RE: Bill Hunt Jun 24, 2013 04:49 AM

                                We did. Had a syrah and it was wonderful. Loved all the posts, thank you!!!!

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                                  Bill Hunt RE: chloebell Jun 24, 2013 06:30 PM

                                  Great news!

                                  While PN seems to be the most popular pairing, I usually want a tad more body, heft and structure. Nothing wrong with PN (one of my favorite red grapes for food in general), but I just tend toward Syrah, and almost always Old World. Personal tastes.

                                  Glad that you enjoyed,


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                                zin1953 RE: chloebell Jun 24, 2013 07:07 AM

                                I know it's too late, but it all depends upon the preparation and the cut . . . a roast leg of lamb pairs with wine differently than, say, a crown rack; grilled lamb kabobs differently than, say, grilled lamb loin.

                                In random order, all of these can be successful matches with lamb (or, rather, have been successful matches for me): St.-Émilion (Merlot), Côte-Rôtie (Syrah), Châteauneuf-du-Pape (Grenache), Priorat (Garnacha), Rioja (Tempranillo), Douro Red (a Touriga Nacional-blend) Barbaresco (Nebbiolo), Zinfandel, and Burgundy (Pinot Noir) . . . .

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                                  Chinon00 RE: zin1953 Jun 24, 2013 07:30 AM

                                  But which wine with which preparation or does it matter for you?

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                                    zin1953 RE: Chinon00 Jun 25, 2013 09:10 AM

                                    Of course it matters! (Sorry I didn't reply sooner.)

                                    Grilled lamb shifts my palate more to the Rhône / Rioja / Priorat . . . the flavors of, say, a roasted leg of lamb move me more to St.-Émilion and Burgundy, maybe the Douro . . . a lamb chop would shift it again.

                                    Then, of course, there's "mood" -- what I *feel* like drinking at the time, whether it "appears" to be a classic match or not.

                                  2. re: zin1953
                                    Bill Hunt RE: zin1953 Jun 24, 2013 06:32 PM

                                    About the only one that I did not consider was the St.-Émilion, but think that I see where you are coming from there.

                                    I could also see a Cab Franc too, but have just never tried it.



                                  3. ChefJune RE: chloebell Jun 24, 2013 12:30 PM

                                    It totally depends upon how you cook the lamb, and where the lamb is from. As ML said, Australian lamb is generally older and pretty mutton-y (read stronger flavor) That might go with a cabernet, but I wouldn't choose it. this is where that Syrah would stand out, or perhaps a Chateauneuf-du-Pape.

                                    Cali lamb is much milder in flavor. Oregon Pinot Noir with it, perhaps or a cru Beaujolais..

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                                      Bill Hunt RE: ChefJune Jun 24, 2013 06:36 PM

                                      We most often go with Colorado Lamb, though there have been some NZ lamb too. Do not recall any from OZ, but might have missed them - OTOH, we are not big fans of a heavy "mutton" taste, and think that I would remember.

                                      Your comments are something that I will take to heart, during our trip to Sydney next month. Thank you.


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                                      btbx RE: chloebell Jun 24, 2013 12:57 PM

                                      If they're accesible to you try a Portugese red (blend) from the Duero or Dao. Southern Rhone, Priorat, Aussie Shiraz, Tempranillo based Spanish reds, more "restrained" zinfandel all work too. Whatever you like, really!

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                                        Owtahear RE: chloebell Jun 24, 2013 01:04 PM

                                        Sutter Home White Zin goes perfect with a good grilled lamb.

                                        OK, I kid, I kid.

                                        I like Syrah/Shiraz, Petit Sirah, A good Zinfandel and definitely Rhone wines.

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                                          sunshine842 RE: Owtahear Jun 24, 2013 05:26 PM

                                          no, but try a crisp French rosé....NOT a white zin -- but a great match for lamb.

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                                            Bill Hunt RE: sunshine842 Jun 24, 2013 06:39 PM

                                            Now, I do have a bottle, or two, of a really robust Gigondas Rosé, and perhaps will give that a try.

                                            My wife is much less a "lamb fan," than I am, so I will need to work her into it.


                                            1. re: sunshine842
                                              zin1953 RE: sunshine842 Jun 24, 2013 09:31 PM

                                              Agreed, but to me this is more Provençal -- either lunch or an early dinner as the sun sets, rather than dinner per se . . . but -- again that's me.

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                                                sunshine842 RE: zin1953 Jun 25, 2013 04:00 AM

                                                oh, it's absolutely, unapologetically Provencal.

                                                But Rose is best with Provencal (summery) preparations --usually grilled.

                                                Cold-weather preparations (roasts, braises, stews) call for cooler-weather wines -- CDR or the full-on red Gigondas.

                                                (friends giggle at me -- I cannot drink rose when it's cold outside. It's silly, and a mental thing, but rose is for summer in my mind)

                                                1. re: sunshine842
                                                  zin1953 RE: sunshine842 Jun 25, 2013 09:05 AM

                                                  You and me both! ;^)

                                            2. re: Owtahear
                                              Bill Hunt RE: Owtahear Jun 24, 2013 06:38 PM

                                              Oh, that was ba-a-a-d...

                                              Now, with a good grill char, I could see the Petite Sirah, or a Zin, that was not too fruit-driven.


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