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Paula Deen..... Breaking News Part II:

Phoebe Jun 22, 2013 06:16 AM

Apparently, Food Network has now pulled her show(s) too. Paula's Best Dishes was to be on the air now. Instead, one of Giada's many shows is now airing. Wonder if this will continue with FN pulling ALL of her shows??? (This accounts for half their programming!!!)

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  1. Firegoat RE: Phoebe Jun 22, 2013 06:17 AM

    Considering all the backlash FN is getting on their facebook page and the at least two Paula Deen support pages that should really fire up Paula Deen supporters.

    Even Bill Maher anti her firing.

    1. TrishUntrapped RE: Phoebe Jun 22, 2013 06:18 AM

      Wow, FN said they are done with her and it looks like they are moving at lightning speed here!

      Is Paula Deen going to disappear completely from the airwaves though? I don't think so.

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        Firegoat RE: TrishUntrapped Jun 22, 2013 06:23 AM

        They still have her picture up on their website as well as her bio etc.

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        wyogal RE: Phoebe Jun 22, 2013 06:29 AM


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          Phoebe RE: Phoebe Jun 22, 2013 06:33 AM

          9:30's show has been pulled too. Looks like FN is done with her ... at least for now!!!

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            TrishUntrapped RE: Phoebe Jun 22, 2013 06:42 AM

            That was really fast!

          2. Firegoat RE: Phoebe Jun 22, 2013 06:38 AM

            Anyone remember this Food Network's Star lawsuit involving rascist sexist and scatological comments in the workplace?


            Of course he was a guy......

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            1. re: Firegoat
              Phoebe RE: Firegoat Jun 22, 2013 07:26 AM

              I had never heard about this lawsuit before... but not surprising to me at all. He was born with the last name of Ferry. Only to change it to Fieri, with the accent on the "e".

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                youareabunny RE: Firegoat Jun 22, 2013 12:35 PM

                So why is it alright when he does it...

                1. re: Firegoat
                  jlhinwa RE: Firegoat Jun 22, 2013 02:46 PM

                  It isn't okay for anyone to so those things. I see two major differences between that example and Paula Deen:

                  1) it wasn't that long ago that FN stood behind her while she faced a media firestorm over the diabetes/hypocrisy/hawking meds thing, and

                  2) Paula Deen admitted in her deposition to actions considered to be egregious by the viewing public. Fieri was accused, but I don't recall that he ever admitted to doing anthing wrong, nor was there a successful case agains him.

                  Not defending Fieri at all...in fact if he took his convertible and rode off into obscurity, that would be just fine with me. I am just commenting on how I see these two situations as being difference from the FN management perspective.

                  1. re: jlhinwa
                    JonParker RE: jlhinwa Jun 22, 2013 11:15 PM

                    I'm starting to wonder if I maybe have a sixth sense about these things. I have never been able to stand Deen, or Fieri, or Irvine, to the point where I will change the channel the second they appear. And all of those have been involved in some sort of distasteful behavior.

                    On the other hand, while I don't really care for say, Rachael Ray or Bobby Flay, I don't have the same visceral repulsion for them. It makes me wonder...

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                      Firegoat RE: JonParker Jun 23, 2013 06:29 AM

                      Of course Bobby Flay isn't exactly squeaky clean either, settling out a lawsuit where he was cheating his staff out of tips and overtime
                      and his sex scam hookup with January Jones ....
                      Then there is Rachael Ray who's show was sued for forcing out an anorexic employee for discrimination and is being sued by a fat teenager as well. Not to mention the dunkin' donuts scandals and the rampant rumors of how impossible she is to work for or her racist comments about Oprah.
                      Don't even get me started on the mess over at Masterchef with sexism or Marcella of Mexican Made Easy's affair with her married co-host on American Baking Competition... there is no such thing as squeaky clean in this business it seems.

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                        Phoebe RE: Firegoat Jun 23, 2013 06:52 AM

                        Firegoat... I thought that was Mario B.. not Bobby Flay???

                        1. re: Phoebe
                          Firegoat RE: Phoebe Jun 23, 2013 06:59 AM

                          It's actually both of them Phoebe. If you click that link it goes to the Bobby Flay lawsuit at one of his restaurants I think Mesa Grill. Mario and his buddy Joe B. also have their lawsuit.

                          1. re: Firegoat
                            Phoebe RE: Firegoat Jun 23, 2013 07:25 AM

                            I wonder who taught who??? Sad, considering ALL of the money they both have!!! Especially sad they're ripping off the people who are making them the money!!!

                            1. re: Phoebe
                              JoanN RE: Phoebe Jun 23, 2013 09:02 AM

                              Keep in mind that the Flay and Batali lawsuits were class action suits brought by the same lawyer who also brought suit against Jean-Georges Vongerichten, Tom Colicchio, and Robert DeNiro, Jay-Z, and Justin Timberlake (the last three all own, or owned, restaurants in Manhattan). All of these were tip-sharing disputes. No one was claiming that the chefs or celebrities were withholding payment in order to line their own pockets.

                              1. re: JoanN
                                mcf RE: JoanN Jun 23, 2013 09:03 AM

                                Yes, the same suits are happening in Nassau County, just several miles away from NYC. It's a labor vs. management suit.

                                Unlike, say, Lidia's enslavement case; she's not in PD's shoes because she clearly must have paid up to make it go totally silent.

                                1. re: mcf
                                  Firegoat RE: mcf Jun 23, 2013 09:40 AM

                                  And also the Anne Burrell sexual harrassment and sexual discrimination lawsuits from her employees and Zakarian of course.....

                                  1. re: Firegoat
                                    mcf RE: Firegoat Jun 23, 2013 10:09 AM

                                    They must be doing better crisis management; I've never heard about them.

                                    Which is why PD is fired and others are not?

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                                      Firegoat RE: mcf Jun 23, 2013 10:16 AM

                                      They've all been in the news. I particularly remember Guy's because of the anti-semitic and homophobic problems. I don't know why they haven't been as blown up. Maybe stealing tips, being anti gay, anti jew and anti women isn't. Or maybe they didn't want these chefs out at this time. Who knows?

                                      1. re: Firegoat
                                        mcf RE: Firegoat Jun 23, 2013 11:08 AM

                                        Oh, I remember Guy's, in the wake of his NYC restaurant opening. Not the others, though. He did good management, too, though, and got high marks for it. And the restaurant is doing well, I've read.

                                  2. re: mcf
                                    EWSflash RE: mcf Jun 29, 2013 04:32 PM

                                    What? Enslavement?

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                                      mcf RE: EWSflash Jun 29, 2013 04:35 PM


                          2. re: Firegoat
                            mcf RE: Firegoat Jun 23, 2013 08:31 AM

                            But an FN leaker reportedly stated that PD was let go for such astoundingly poor crisis management, not the allegations themselves. This according to Howard Bragman and the reporter who broke the story and says the rest of the case is much uglier than what's public so far.

                            1. re: mcf
                              Phoebe RE: mcf Jun 24, 2013 05:04 AM

                              I saw Howard Bragman too. He stated it was pure arrogance to not have settled this out of court. Why would you risk a $20 million empire? Over a $1 million settlement behind closed doors??? She has the worst PR team ever!!! He also went on to say that if her people were smart... They'd go to work merging "her brand" with her "son's brand" and turn in in to a Deen empire brand.

                              1. re: Phoebe
                                EWSflash RE: Phoebe Jun 29, 2013 04:34 PM

                                I was thinking the very same thing- worst PR team in history.

                              2. re: mcf
                                Ruth Lafler RE: mcf Jun 28, 2013 04:43 PM

                                I read a copy of the complaint in the PD lawsuit -- it's pretty ugly. Not just racism, but sexual harassment, sexual discrimination, and just overall a nasty, nasty place to work.

                                BTW, they didn't actually "fire" Paula. The chose not to renew her contract, which is slightly different from a legal standpoint. I'm assuming that the shows they've reportedly yanked were reruns as well.

                                1. re: Ruth Lafler
                                  c oliver RE: Ruth Lafler Jun 28, 2013 06:43 PM

                                  Don't know if you saw this. I think it's good.


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                                    bear RE: c oliver Jun 28, 2013 06:55 PM

                                    Nice. Thanks.

                                    1. re: c oliver
                                      JonParker RE: c oliver Jun 29, 2013 02:11 AM

                                      One of the more interesting tidbits tossed out in defense of Deen is that she was an Obama supporter. I think this shows that people are complex creatures who don't always fit into the stereotyped roles we wish they did. I know that people love portraying Deen as either the cold hearted Southern bigot or the innocent victim of political correctness, but what they're really doing is projecting their own views onto her.

                                      I also wonder if she thinks it's a good idea to dress the POTUS in a white tuxedo as a wedding decoration.

                                      1. re: JonParker
                                        Ruth Lafler RE: JonParker Jun 29, 2013 02:18 AM

                                        I think that's quite consistent with the distinction she was making between the "professional" black waiters she described and people she would call "n*****s." Some people think that racism/bigotry means unreserved hatred or contempt for people of that group, when really it's much more subtle than that. It can take the form, for example of having to prove that you're not a n****** before you will be treated with dignity and respect.

                                        1. re: Ruth Lafler
                                          c oliver RE: Ruth Lafler Jun 29, 2013 06:00 AM

                                          For a couple of years when I was little, Mother went back to work and we had a black maid. When she referred to a "nigger" she mean a scum of the earth black person. That was in the 50s. Nowadays only black people can call other black people that. No white person should call a black person that. Ever. Even growing up in the South in the 50s, that word would have caused a severe punishment. But we never used it anyway. PD and I are the same age. Just some of my experiences.

                                        2. re: JonParker
                                          dolly52 RE: JonParker Jun 29, 2013 07:19 AM

                                          No one really knows how she voted:

                                          1. re: dolly52
                                            Firegoat RE: dolly52 Jun 29, 2013 07:21 AM

                                            No one knows how anyone votes, but they do know if they contribute a substantial dollar amount to a campaign as that has to be reported.

                                            That said, I've voted for a few duds in my life.

                                            1. re: dolly52
                                              JonParker RE: dolly52 Jun 29, 2013 07:42 AM


                                              You're right, no one really knows how she voted, but I'd call campaigning for a candidate to be a strong indicator.

                                              1. re: JonParker
                                                wyogal RE: JonParker Jun 29, 2013 07:48 AM

                                                I thought that the election wasn't about race... so what does her support of Obama have to do with anything?
                                                sheesh, these threads take on a life of their own, eh?

                                                1. re: wyogal
                                                  Leepa RE: wyogal Jun 29, 2013 07:51 AM

                                                  Waiting to see how long it takes for this thread takes to be locked....

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                                                    wyogal RE: Leepa Jun 29, 2013 07:52 AM

                                                    soon, I hope.

                                                    1. re: wyogal
                                                      INDIANRIVERFL RE: wyogal Jun 29, 2013 08:07 AM

                                                      Something obscenely fascinating about watching a train wreck in slow motion. We tend to forget all of the innocent victims.

                                                2. re: JonParker
                                                  dolly52 RE: JonParker Jun 30, 2013 05:53 AM

                                                  she also had diabetes and hid it for years, in my opinion, sometimes she masks her true feelings very well in order to keep her fans happy. Look at this last incident she managed to fool the general public. She knew
                                                  knew campaigningfor Obama was a positive for her. I guess I don't believe a thing this woman does.

                                        3. re: mcf
                                          kprange RE: mcf Jun 29, 2013 08:46 AM

                                          That is what I think. There is something going on we don't know. I know we don't know the whole story......also, why aren't there people defending her? I haven't seen much in her defense.

                                          1. re: kprange
                                            mcf RE: kprange Jun 29, 2013 08:49 AM

                                            There have been some, but they're drowned out. I think the information in the complaint and her responses to the deposition made it clear how ugly things were under her management in the restaurant her brother operated that people are disgusted.

                                            It may be that no one trusts her judgement enough to want to partner with her in business. I think that's also why a few pulled out immediately after her interview on Today. She doesn't get it, says she won't change. She at least needs to change her corporate HR and management style.

                                            1. re: mcf
                                              Firegoat RE: mcf Jun 29, 2013 08:58 AM

                                              I wouldn't be surprised to find out she's in that restaurant maybe a couple of days a month what with all her other commitments. I do feel like she's taking the fall for her brother's pissy style and she'll pay for it a long time. That said. She's come up from absolutely nothing before. I think she will be back.

                                              1. re: Firegoat
                                                mcf RE: Firegoat Jun 29, 2013 10:21 AM

                                                It's her business, her management, her responsiblity. She's taking the fall for not doing her job well enough to prevent abuses of employees, from her own testimony.

                                                1. re: Firegoat
                                                  Ruth Lafler RE: Firegoat Jun 29, 2013 10:47 AM

                                                  I disagree with just about everything you said. Interesting that the same people who give her credit for coming up from "absolutely nothing" are the same people who think she's not responsible for what's going on in those very same businesses. Either she's responsible for those successful businesses or she's not -- you can't have it both ways.

                                                  As for coming back, I don't think so. I think that one reason that this has become such a big deal is that it's come on the heels of the news that she concealed her diabetes until it became financially advantageous for her to reveal it. It made it much harder for her to sell herself as that sweet, simple lady (as people in this thread have characterized her) who was all about love and family when it became clear she was more interested in money and protecting a brand that's all about her unhealthy lifestyle. Basically, she was already being revealed as somewhat of a fraud. This just takes it a step further by casting more light on how she treats her "family" of employees.

                                              2. re: kprange
                                                Firegoat RE: kprange Jun 29, 2013 08:51 AM

                                                Small suppliers that she has supported, Jimmy Carter, places where she donates a lot of money and time which usually translates to the less financially well off have all supported her. Pretty much people who have been around her a long time and have nothing to lose by cowing down.
                                                And yes if you demand links I have plenty of them.

                                                1. re: Firegoat
                                                  kprange RE: Firegoat Jun 29, 2013 09:04 AM

                                                  Jimmy Carter said she should be forgiven, which I agree with, but I haven't seen very many people attesting to her character. I am not saying it isn't out there, just not on main stream media.

                                                  1. re: kprange
                                                    Firegoat RE: kprange Jun 29, 2013 09:10 AM

                                                    I agree it isn't on main stream media. But her small suppliers that she stuck with when she could have gone big have supported her. Several people have mentioned all the charity work she does in her community for the poor. I have absolutely no first hand knowledge of that. But it does seem like some people are pointing out that she has done a lot for impoverished and minorities. Maybe she just doesn't play it up enough

                                                    1. re: Firegoat
                                                      JonParker RE: Firegoat Jun 29, 2013 10:00 AM

                                                      Well, that's a point I tried to make earlier. No one is all good or all bad, but especially with public figures we feel justified in sitting in judgement based on one aspect of their personalities. I absolutely think PD is clueless about the hurtfulness of her words and actions. I believe her when she says that she would not intentionally hurt anyone.

                                                      The problem is that she doesn't understand how her words and attitudes cause harm. This isn't an old western -- there aren't black hats and white hats. It's real life, and we all have our good points and our dark sides.

                                                      1. re: JonParker
                                                        Ruth Lafler RE: JonParker Jun 29, 2013 10:07 AM

                                                        Right. This is 2013, not 1953. If she doesn't understand how her words and attitudes cause harm, then it's because she doesn't want to know. She just wants to live in her little fantasy world where slaves were members of the family and where the good life meant black people serving white people.

                                                      2. re: Firegoat
                                                        mcf RE: Firegoat Jun 29, 2013 10:23 AM

                                                        If CNN is mainstream it was all over it.

                                                      3. re: kprange
                                                        Ruth Lafler RE: kprange Jun 29, 2013 10:03 AM

                                                        Forgiving someone presumes that they have done something wrong and that they have genuinely repented. I don't see any evidence that she's repented, only that she's upset that people are criticizing her. I've seen nothing but denial and non-apology apologies. I'll consider forgiving Paula when she actually takes some responsibility for what's happened.

                                                        1. re: Ruth Lafler
                                                          JonParker RE: Ruth Lafler Jun 29, 2013 12:03 PM

                                                          And that's where you and I part ways. I'm turning into the most Christian agnostic ever, but I truly believe that redemption is there for all of us. Forgiving someone requires that they need forgiveness, and is not based on deserving it or their repentance.

                                                          I don't disagree that Paula should own up to her own racism, and I don't think the loss of her brand and empire is unfair, but those are both separate from my willingness to forgive her.

                                                          Don't mean to get all nuanced and stuff.:)

                                                        2. re: kprange
                                                          mcf RE: kprange Jun 29, 2013 10:22 AM

                                                          A black minister did, flat out. Very directly addressed her character.

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                                            treb RE: Phoebe Jun 22, 2013 06:43 AM

                                            News stated yesterday that FN cancelled her contract.

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                                              TrishUntrapped RE: treb Jun 22, 2013 06:53 AM

                                              Yes, but that was supposed to start July 1. Way ahead of the game. Plus canceling the contract doesn't mean the shows have to disappear overnight.

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                                                wyogal RE: TrishUntrapped Jun 22, 2013 07:15 AM

                                                She filmed the shows, which is her contract, the network doesn't have to air them.

                                              2. re: treb
                                                Phoebe RE: treb Jun 22, 2013 07:12 AM

                                                They may have cancelled her contract, but FN still owns the property rights to all of her shows. They're gonna take a big "hit" removing all of the YEARS of her shows from their lineup.

                                                1. re: Phoebe
                                                  TrishUntrapped RE: Phoebe Jun 22, 2013 07:13 AM

                                                  Yep. For example, Good Eats has been canceled for some time, reruns are still on FN during the day.

                                                  1. re: TrishUntrapped
                                                    gfr1111 RE: TrishUntrapped Jun 22, 2013 07:27 AM


                                                    This is probably being ultra picky, but I want to point out that after over a dozen years on the air, Good Eats was not cancelled. Alton Brown just decided not to renew his contract with the Food Network. Remember, he not only starred in the show, but he and his wife produced it, too. He was just tired.

                                                    1. re: gfr1111
                                                      TrishUntrapped RE: gfr1111 Jun 22, 2013 08:53 AM

                                                      Apologies, he retired the show. I was recalling an interview where he called the retirement a "mutual move." He was tired of it and FN said the show was a loss leader. But you are correct, the show was retired.

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                                                wyogal RE: Phoebe Jun 22, 2013 06:44 AM

                                                I'm not surprised, her apology videos were a train wreck.

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                                                1. re: wyogal
                                                  monavano RE: wyogal Jun 22, 2013 06:57 AM

                                                  I commented on another thread about this. Paula's peeps are screwing this up royally. She's got to get her head on straight and lead herself out of this gaping maw of career suicide.
                                                  If there's any chance of recovery, she's got to fire everyone who's advising her now, get some kick-ass PR people who will help her navigate this very tricky road.

                                                  1. re: monavano
                                                    wyogal RE: monavano Jun 22, 2013 07:17 AM

                                                    .. and should have settled the lawsuit before there was ever a deposition.

                                                    1. re: wyogal
                                                      monavano RE: wyogal Jun 22, 2013 07:20 AM

                                                      Wow, never thought of that. I found the deposition to be more about Bubba than Paula.

                                                      1. re: monavano
                                                        wyogal RE: monavano Jun 22, 2013 07:31 AM

                                                        Seriously, what lawyer in their right mind would let someone speak that way in a deposition? and the wholle thing about wanting her brother to have "slaves" as servers at his wedding... sheesh.
                                                        The pitiful thing is that she comes off so ignorant, uninformed, and downright stupid. She might have a "good heart," but her brain is mush.

                                                        1. re: wyogal
                                                          monavano RE: wyogal Jun 22, 2013 07:41 AM

                                                          Bubba sounds like... a Bubba ;-)

                                                          1. re: wyogal
                                                            westsidegal RE: wyogal Jun 22, 2013 01:09 PM

                                                            someone with a "good heart" doesn't intentionally mislead millions of viewers re: her diabetes.

                                                            it was a craven move.
                                                            imho, just as bad or worse than the latest moves.

                                                            1. re: westsidegal
                                                              Phoebe RE: westsidegal Jun 22, 2013 01:25 PM

                                                              westsidegal.... I totally agree. She was cravin' for some more money!!!

                                                              1. re: westsidegal
                                                                wyogal RE: westsidegal Jun 22, 2013 02:00 PM

                                                                I was quoting what some of her defenders have been saying in interviews, hence the quotes. I am not defending her whatsoever. I am pointing out the contradiction.

                                                                1. re: wyogal
                                                                  westsidegal RE: wyogal Jun 24, 2013 11:18 PM

                                                                  got it.
                                                                  was addressing my response to her defenders, not to you.

                                                              2. re: wyogal
                                                                DiningDiva RE: wyogal Jun 23, 2013 08:18 AM

                                                                An acquaintance who *is* an employment attorney says the exact same thing. The law suit should have never gotten to the deposition stage and the PD got faulty direction in how to answer deposition questions appropriately

                                                                1. re: DiningDiva
                                                                  paulj RE: DiningDiva Jun 23, 2013 08:36 AM

                                                                  A former publicist (6 yrs with PD) doesn't think much of her current PR either.

                                                                2. re: wyogal
                                                                  davereal RE: wyogal Jun 23, 2013 08:54 AM

                                                                  In the deposition, the description of the wedding she would have liked to plan, based on seeing another restaurant's very professional black waiters in white outfits, she's clearly imagining something like the barbeque at Tara; southern gentility without thinking too hard about the underpinnings, not her cracking a whip over a field of cotton, or waiters shuffling about in leg chains. She had to be prodded to realize that, at the time she was picturing, the black waiters would have been slaves. I just don't see the malice.

                                                                  1. re: davereal
                                                                    mcf RE: davereal Jun 23, 2013 09:05 AM

                                                                    Again, though, the basis of the allegations and complaint is hostile work environment. That can be created via mindless stupidity, or negligence, no malice necessary.

                                                                    1. re: davereal
                                                                      wyogal RE: davereal Jun 23, 2013 09:35 AM

                                                                      I don't think it's malice, I think it's more about ignorance, not understanding context, or the ramifications. That is what I find to be pitiful.

                                                              3. re: monavano
                                                                Uncle Bob RE: monavano Jun 22, 2013 08:56 AM

                                                                Boy they really did screw up...The deposition was her biggest mistake. ~ She should have just stood behind a podium, read a prepared statement from a teleprompter, and lied her ever loving ass off. Now days that's all ya gotta do.

                                                                1. re: monavano
                                                                  gordeaux RE: monavano Jun 23, 2013 06:40 AM

                                                                  Hard to navigate out of it when she's stating her real views to the public. You are right though, she needs to appear on air with a pre-written statement that someone else has pre-pared since most of the public will shun her REAL views. At least she seems genuine in not understanding that people who are different than her have human feelings that matter. This will be swept under the rug in time, and the whole country will go back to keeping their heads under the blanket with the mantra "racism no longer exists," since most of the country is not the recipient of racism, so it doesn't exist, right?

                                                                  1. re: gordeaux
                                                                    Jeanne RE: gordeaux Jun 26, 2013 01:54 AM

                                                                    Totally disagree gordeaux - I doubt seriously that her real views are racist. She may have an empire but I see her as a simple, extroverted lady who does make mistakes in what she says and can go way overboard with her talk and actions.

                                                                    Racist? No - I think she really is a people person and loves the people she interacts with. She's just not that bright - as I said a simple lady who has good people to handle her business.

                                                                    1. re: Jeanne
                                                                      Phoebe RE: Jeanne Jun 26, 2013 02:25 AM

                                                                      Sorry.... But if she HAD good people "handling" her business... she wouldn't be in all of this mess in the first place.

                                                                      1. re: Jeanne
                                                                        c oliver RE: Jeanne Jun 26, 2013 03:50 AM

                                                                        Jeanne, I think we have to take her at face value. Believing that she's not racist doesn't really count unless we know her personally. In the last few years, I've discovered more closet racists than I thought any longer existed.

                                                                        1. re: Jeanne
                                                                          sandylc RE: Jeanne Jun 26, 2013 09:17 AM

                                                                          I do agree that she's not very bright.

                                                                          1. re: Jeanne
                                                                            Hobbert RE: Jeanne Jun 26, 2013 09:38 AM

                                                                            If what she's been saying aren't her real views, then what are? I believe that when people tell you who they are, it's up to you to listen.

                                                                            1. re: Jeanne
                                                                              Ruth Lafler RE: Jeanne Jun 28, 2013 04:46 PM

                                                                              Have you read the complaint that describes how her business was actually being run and by whom? No way is she the simple-minded innocent you're describing.

                                                                              Here, have a look at the stomach-churning reality: http://www.atlawblog.com/wp-content/u...

                                                                              1. re: Ruth Lafler
                                                                                James Cristinian RE: Ruth Lafler Jun 28, 2013 05:06 PM

                                                                                Reality, the last I heard our system of justice allows the defense the opportunity to read the complaint, and an actual trial occurs, unless the two parties reach an agreement. There are two sides to every argument, I just can't believe every complaint churned out in a civil trial, that's why there are trials before an impartial judge or jury. Shall we wait on the facts please, and not the complaint from one side.

                                                                                1. re: James Cristinian
                                                                                  mcf RE: James Cristinian Jun 28, 2013 06:36 PM

                                                                                  Well, both the complaint and the deposition are public now, and PD's deposition is what most folks are reading. The allegations are just that, they're not proven, but PD's deposition doesn't seem to help her, either.

                                                                                  1. re: mcf
                                                                                    kbdid RE: mcf Jun 28, 2013 06:45 PM

                                                                                    What seems most damning to me in the depositions is that she admitted her brother "acted innapropriately" in both sexual and racial terms. If she knew that she should have canned or suspended him. All of this crying and claiming she didn't know what was offensive and saying she's just an old southern lady is just making it worse.

                                                                                  2. re: James Cristinian
                                                                                    C. Hamster RE: James Cristinian Jun 28, 2013 07:07 PM

                                                                                    The trial is sort of inconsequential -- public relations wise--- after what she admitted to in the deposition.

                                                                                    The horse has left the barn,

                                                                                    1. re: James Cristinian
                                                                                      Ruth Lafler RE: James Cristinian Jun 29, 2013 02:08 AM

                                                                                      Courts of law are required to wait on the facts -- no one else is. You can choose to suspend your judgement on the specifics of this complaint. But even if you choose to believe the incidents described did not happen -- or did not happen the way they are described in the complaint -- I don't think you can read this complaint in any light that would support a conclusion that, as suggested above, Paula Deen is just "a simple lady who has good people to handle her business."

                                                                                    2. re: Ruth Lafler
                                                                                      ritabwh RE: Ruth Lafler Jun 29, 2013 12:24 AM

                                                                                      thank you. this is the first time i saw the complaint. if nothing else, paula deen is guiltyof not addressing her brother bubba's terrible business practice, which seems to show she condones the actions.

                                                                                      1. re: Ruth Lafler
                                                                                        pikawicca RE: Ruth Lafler Jun 29, 2013 06:36 AM

                                                                                        Wow. Sounds like the inner circle of hell.

                                                                                        1. re: pikawicca
                                                                                          Ruth Lafler RE: pikawicca Jun 29, 2013 08:02 AM

                                                                                          Does, doesn't it? Seriously, how often do you see a white person suing for racial discrimination because she feels so bad about the way other people are being treated and because she feels responsible but can't do anything about it.

                                                                                          1. re: Ruth Lafler
                                                                                            Firegoat RE: Ruth Lafler Jun 29, 2013 08:05 AM

                                                                                            Or wants some bank.

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                                                                                              Ruth Lafler RE: Firegoat Jun 29, 2013 08:10 AM

                                                                                              She has plenty of other claims.

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                                                                                                Firegoat RE: Ruth Lafler Jun 29, 2013 08:13 AM

                                                                                                I'm always amused by people who get upset at "complaints" ... they are just that. Complaints. And they hype them up as big as they can. Depositions? Very, very little of that will be admissible in court. Frankly the claimant that leaked the deposition should get her hand spanked for screwing the jury pool if it does go to trial.

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                                                                                                  mcf RE: Firegoat Jun 29, 2013 08:30 AM

                                                                                                  Nobody leaked it. It's a public court record that was filed.

                                                                                                  1. re: Firegoat
                                                                                                    JonParker RE: Firegoat Jun 29, 2013 08:47 AM

                                                                                                    Agreed that the complaint is fairly useless as far as knowing what really happened, but it looks bad enough from the deposition (which I have read) without the complaint (which I have not). I'm no lawyer, but I'd guess she'll have a hard time winning the suit based on what she's already admitted to. Besides, she's already destroyed her brand, beside which the value of settling the suit looks like a pittance.

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                                                                                                      Firegoat RE: JonParker Jun 29, 2013 08:53 AM

                                                                                                      Very little of what is admissible in a deposition is admissible in court. That said. Her attorneys should have kept her away from a deposition or at least have it sealed.

                                                                                                      1. re: Firegoat
                                                                                                        TrishUntrapped RE: Firegoat Jun 29, 2013 10:53 AM

                                                                                                        Disagree. Depositions are used in court.

                                                                                                        if you contradict what you say on the wtiness stand from your deposition, you are routinely asked, "Were you lying then or are you lying now."

                                                                                                        1. re: TrishUntrapped
                                                                                                          Firegoat RE: TrishUntrapped Jun 30, 2013 06:01 AM

                                                                                                          Okay I clearly wasn't clear in my response. Parts of depositions are used in court to impeach testimony.(just as you said, were you lying then or are you lying now). However, a big chunk of things and events discussed in a deposition will never be heard by a jury due to motions to suppress, relevance, foundation and other objections. If this goes to a jury (which seems insane at this point) many things that we've read about won't be presented to an actual jury.

                                                                                                    2. re: Firegoat
                                                                                                      Ruth Lafler RE: Firegoat Jun 29, 2013 09:51 AM

                                                                                                      Depositions are taken under oath and are admissible in civil suits. Complaints are also filed under penalty of perjury. This one was filed over a year ago, and people were willing to suspend judgement until they heard what Paula Deen herself said, under oath, in her deposition. I don't know how much more "proof" you need than her own words, under oath.

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                                                                                              ritabwh RE: Ruth Lafler Jun 29, 2013 09:11 PM

                                                                                              i read the complaint side by side with paula's deposition. now, some of paula's responses make sense now to me. especially the incident where bubba "attacked" someone. the complaint is just that, complaints and allegations. the deposition should have helped address the allegations but unfortunately paula's responses created more quesetions than answers. right now it seems it will require a jury to decide if the allegations are actual truths. i hope paula's defense team will be better than her current handlers advising her. either way, i think she is done.

                                                                                              1. re: Ruth Lafler
                                                                                                madeliner RE: Ruth Lafler Jun 30, 2013 02:26 PM

                                                                                                OMG they both deserve what they got

                                                                                      2. Gio RE: Phoebe Jun 22, 2013 06:55 AM

                                                                                        Good Lord! That was really fast and Harsh...

                                                                                        1. zitronenmadchen RE: Phoebe Jun 22, 2013 06:59 AM

                                                                                          I wonder if this will affect her son's shows? FN needs more shows, not less. They already have Diners, Drive Ins, and Dives on for 12 hour stretches at a time.

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                                                                                            coney with everything RE: zitronenmadchen Jun 24, 2013 04:58 AM

                                                                                            Well, heck. They'll soon have a New! Food! Network! Star! when that show reaches its tedious conclusion. Maybe they'll actually get a show unlike last year's winner, since there is all that airtime to fill now.

                                                                                          2. Firegoat RE: Phoebe Jun 22, 2013 07:25 AM

                                                                                            According to the NY Times her sons' shows will not be affected.

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                                                                                              Jpan99 RE: Firegoat Jun 22, 2013 11:05 AM

                                                                                              Yes, but don't you think they will not renew their contracts in support of their mother? They are two momma's boys after all.

                                                                                              1. re: Firegoat
                                                                                                zitronenmadchen RE: Firegoat Jun 22, 2013 01:55 PM

                                                                                                Mattresses seem like a really weird endorsement for Paula Deen.

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                                                                                                fmon56 RE: Phoebe Jun 22, 2013 10:47 AM

                                                                                                FN had an agenda, she just gave them the opportunity to put it in play. It's funny that her contract just happened to be ending at the end of the month. They just didn't want the backlash they had when they got rid of Emeril and Mario Batali.

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                                                                                                1. re: fmon56
                                                                                                  TrishUntrapped RE: fmon56 Jun 22, 2013 11:00 AM

                                                                                                  Could very well be.

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                                                                                                    rasputina RE: fmon56 Jun 22, 2013 01:05 PM

                                                                                                    I thought it was odd too, wouldn't they have ironed out a renewal months in advance of it ending?

                                                                                                    1. re: fmon56
                                                                                                      SWISSAIRE RE: fmon56 Jun 22, 2013 02:02 PM

                                                                                                      I 'm not a fan of Paula Deen, and I do not like her recipes.

                                                                                                      But this will backfire on the Food Network, as they jumped the gun against her in order to appear politically correct and racially sensitive.

                                                                                                      The woman to her credit did apologize, not once but twice. The network could have been supportive, or placed her on probation for a month, but they obviously chose to take advantage of the situation and fire her.

                                                                                                      Guy Fairy, and other foul-mouths in the industry have not, nor have they been sanctioned or terminated by Food Network.

                                                                                                      1. re: SWISSAIRE
                                                                                                        westsidegal RE: SWISSAIRE Jun 24, 2013 11:22 PM

                                                                                                        you really think they 'jumped the gun?"
                                                                                                        this is her THIRD huge PR problem:
                                                                                                        1) her affair
                                                                                                        2) diabetes
                                                                                                        3) racist comments

                                                                                                        she was given a second AND a third chance and she blew them too.

                                                                                                      2. re: fmon56
                                                                                                        mcf RE: fmon56 Jun 23, 2013 08:35 AM

                                                                                                        FN had nothing to do with the timing of the public filing of the case... In fact, it was her team that delayed it til now by putting her in contempt of court for delaying the release of videos of her that apparently are very unseemly and damning.

                                                                                                      3. Withnail42 RE: Phoebe Jun 22, 2013 03:14 PM

                                                                                                        She had a month left in her contract.

                                                                                                        I can't help but wonder if this was an easy out for them. Perhaps they didn’t want to renew but they now don’t have to take any flak for cancelling but still making them look proactive and correct. All the while this was in keeping with their planned programming changes.

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                                                                                                          BubblyOne RE: Withnail42 Jun 23, 2013 06:56 AM

                                                                                                          Paula's contract and licensing agreements were much more lucrative than those that came onboard the network after her.

                                                                                                          Perfect timing to get rid of an old woman, who campaigned for Obama BTW.

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                                                                                                            karenfinan RE: BubblyOne Jun 23, 2013 06:46 PM

                                                                                                            Really? Where did you hear that?

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                                                                                                              BubblyOne RE: karenfinan Jun 24, 2013 08:28 AM

                                                                                                              Here is just one of the many links about celebrity chefs in general (not just FN) and Paula is #5.

                                                                                                              As for her contract with Food Network, that info came a couple years ago from someone who works at Scripps.


                                                                                                              1. re: BubblyOne
                                                                                                                Firegoat RE: BubblyOne Jun 24, 2013 09:03 AM

                                                                                                                Well they've got Damaris coming up on Food Network Star so they have a white southern woman in the pocket they can go cheap with.

                                                                                                                1. re: Firegoat
                                                                                                                  James Cristinian RE: Firegoat Jun 24, 2013 11:07 AM

                                                                                                                  Your old buddy here. Damaris may not win but I could see her with her own show. I'll use a sports analogy, you've got a thirty five year old guy with bad knees and a history of concussions, will call him Paul, making 5 million, or you can sign a rookie to the league minimum of around 500k. A no brainer. Ironically, I've been using a Paula Deen beer batter recipe for cod and onion rings lately, delicious.

                                                                                                                  1. re: James Cristinian
                                                                                                                    Firegoat RE: James Cristinian Jun 24, 2013 11:15 AM

                                                                                                                    Hey no hard feelings at all James. I just think we misunderstood each other for a bit.
                                                                                                                    But I could see a Damaris twist now to fill a hole in the lineup. Not sure if she can quarterback, but she might be able to throw a ball or two.

                                                                                                                    1. re: Firegoat
                                                                                                                      James Cristinian RE: Firegoat Jun 24, 2013 01:52 PM

                                                                                                                      Do you think Damaris could be the Food Network equivalent of Tim Tebow? Can't pass like a pro but just wins, when given a chance. By the way, my Paula beer batter fish has yet to be purged from the website.

                                                                                                                      1. re: James Cristinian
                                                                                                                        paulj RE: James Cristinian Jun 24, 2013 02:36 PM

                                                                                                                        Why should they purge her recipes? It's one thing to stop showing her shows, quite another to purge all evidence of a past association.

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                                                                                                                          James Cristinian RE: paulj Jun 24, 2013 03:34 PM

                                                                                                                          I don't know if they will or won't, but I just saw a story on TV and it seems everyone is distancing themselves from her. When you click on her recipe you see a big Paula smile, maybe FN won't care for it in the future.

                                                                                                        2. NavyMom89 RE: Phoebe Jun 22, 2013 06:44 PM

                                                                                                          She can join The Chew, why not?

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                                                                                                            sandylc RE: Phoebe Jun 22, 2013 08:43 PM

                                                                                                            Typical example of an "I'm sorry I got caught" apology.

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                                                                                                              ErnieA RE: Phoebe Jun 22, 2013 10:02 PM

                                                                                                              I don't this singular event is the reason that FN fired her. She has a history of being in the news after being caught in some kind of situation that she tried to cover up.

                                                                                                              Someone was going to out her for having an affair with a married man for 25yrs while her kids were out selling her sandwiches door to door; so she had to do one of her mea culpa tours. Then the behind the scenes negotiations to shill for a diabetes pill, while cooking up some butter-filled butter for her show. Another mea culpa tour. And please don't get me started about that hyperventilated accent. It isn't real. Oh, she is southern, but she is selling that accent just like she has sold the rest of herself.

                                                                                                              At this point there is no telling what waits around the corner. Her publicity has pretty much been bad publicity and I don't blame FN for cutting her off.

                                                                                                              Kind of ironic though. She has told so many lies, when she finally tells the truth, she gets canned.


                                                                                                              1. Antilope RE: Phoebe Jun 23, 2013 08:39 AM

                                                                                                                I remember when the Food Network was All Emeril All The Time. They will find someone else to play 12 hours a day.

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                                                                                                                  TrishUntrapped RE: Antilope Jun 23, 2013 08:47 AM

                                                                                                                  Paula Deen's FB support page is now up to 226,000 likes... Any bets she'll be back on the airwaves, somewhere soon?

                                                                                                                  1. re: TrishUntrapped
                                                                                                                    Antilope RE: TrishUntrapped Jun 23, 2013 09:01 AM

                                                                                                                    To the big corporations, it all depends on if the potential profits out weight the PR hits.

                                                                                                                    Imus and Dog the Bounty Hunter came back from making racial slurs. Jimmy the Greek didn't. Kramer of Seinfeld (Michael Richards) damaged his career and hasn't recovered.

                                                                                                                    1. re: Antilope
                                                                                                                      cresyd RE: Antilope Jun 23, 2013 09:24 AM

                                                                                                                      I think that so much of what's happening right now is about corporations getting out of the spotlight with Deen - now QVC is openly discussing whether or not they'll drop Deen.

                                                                                                                      Things like FB support pages are nice - but if I'm a corporation, I'm going to take time to let things settle and make sure there are no more surprises coming up. Then do actual market research and determine how those FB likes would translate into business. There's just too much money for these corporations to be willy nilly about these things.

                                                                                                                      1. re: Antilope
                                                                                                                        LindaWhit RE: Antilope Jun 24, 2013 10:17 AM

                                                                                                                        QVC is now "reviewing their business relationship" with PD:


                                                                                                                        "...in the meantime, we have no immediate plans to have her appear on QVC."

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                                                                                                                    cresyd RE: Phoebe Jun 24, 2013 05:23 AM

                                                                                                                    I had to believe that this was one of FN's fears - that the story wouldn't be limited to the one case.


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                                                                                                                      Phoebe RE: cresyd Jun 24, 2013 05:35 AM

                                                                                                                      With more still to come... I'm sure there will be more suits and videos. After people mentioning TMZ several times, I viewed the video with PD. She was being interviewed by someone with the NY Times in some type of forum. Her words were appalling!!! I don't get how ANYONE can defend that type of behavior?

                                                                                                                      1. re: Phoebe
                                                                                                                        cresyd RE: Phoebe Jun 24, 2013 05:45 AM

                                                                                                                        Yeah, that NYT video is....awkward. Basically Paula Deen's vocabulary when she talks about race has a number of clunky moments. I didn't feel that the NYT video was appalling - but it's clearly not a subject that she can talk about without hitting some really uncomfortable moments.

                                                                                                                        Making no comment at all on the hostile workplace/legal issues - it looks like there are just of unpleasant moments coming up for Deen. Additionally - a number of articles have been rehashing the diabetes/drug representative issue from last year. Looks like it'll just be a summer of looking at her with a microscope, which appears as though it's going to find some ugly bits.

                                                                                                                      2. re: cresyd
                                                                                                                        LindaWhit RE: cresyd Jun 24, 2013 10:20 AM

                                                                                                                        Wow. Just plain WOW.

                                                                                                                        "An attorney for the Rainbow/PUSH Coalition said current and former Paula Deen employees told him the famous cook and her brother discriminated against black employees, one of whom was consistently referred to as "my little monkey."

                                                                                                                        1. re: LindaWhit
                                                                                                                          c oliver RE: LindaWhit Jun 24, 2013 10:22 AM

                                                                                                                          I read that today and was appalled. As you know, I'm from the South and am 66 and those words would have never crossed my lips.

                                                                                                                          1. re: c oliver
                                                                                                                            girloftheworld RE: c oliver Jun 24, 2013 10:33 AM

                                                                                                                            It wouldnt a lot of people of your generation. My grandmother was from the South and though a bit older than you.. walked my mom through picket lines to go into school during desegration.. before she passed away she would get "a giggle" out Paula on TV she liked seeing someone her age and quiet frankly her shape on TV....I know she would be horrifide to hear see The Lady and Sons is no Lady

                                                                                                                      3. monavano RE: Phoebe Jun 24, 2013 05:51 AM

                                                                                                                        Deen is rescheduled to appear on the Today Show on Wednesday.

                                                                                                                        1. Firegoat RE: Phoebe Jun 24, 2013 05:52 AM

                                                                                                                          I guess she's going to make another go at the Today show this week.

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                                                                                                                            Phoebe RE: Phoebe Jun 24, 2013 06:13 AM

                                                                                                                            Her sit down with Matt Lauer on Wednesday, will only be the first stop on the Paula Deen "Mea Culpa Tour 2013". Maybe, Oprah will interrupt her summer vacation to be the next stop on the tour......

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                                                                                                                              hjova51 RE: Phoebe Jun 24, 2013 06:14 AM

                                                                                                                              Today's show stated that she will appear live this Wednesday in the morning on their show for an interview...

                                                                                                                              1. Antilope RE: Phoebe Jun 24, 2013 08:58 AM

                                                                                                                                Breaking news Paula Deen was just seen on a plane from Hong Kong to Ecuador. No wait, that was the NSA spy guy leaker. ;-)

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                                                                                                                                  catroast RE: Phoebe Jun 24, 2013 09:02 AM

                                                                                                                                  don't think she's a racist? watch this http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=...

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                                                                                                                                    C. Hamster RE: catroast Jun 24, 2013 09:11 AM

                                                                                                                                    yikes ...

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                                                                                                                                      Hobbert RE: catroast Jun 24, 2013 09:17 AM

                                                                                                                                      Slaves were like family?! There goes any benefit of the doubt I had for her. My goodness.

                                                                                                                                      1. re: Hobbert
                                                                                                                                        pinehurst RE: Hobbert Jun 24, 2013 10:32 AM

                                                                                                                                        Yes, totally agree with you.

                                                                                                                                      2. re: catroast
                                                                                                                                        Phoebe RE: catroast Jun 24, 2013 09:28 AM

                                                                                                                                        This is the same video TMZ posted yesterday. As bad as it all is.... it really turns ugly at 1:49 in the video.

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                                                                                                                                          mcf RE: catroast Jun 24, 2013 09:43 AM

                                                                                                                                          Just as expected.

                                                                                                                                          She is completely oblivious to the fact that the absence of outright hostility and hatred "in the heart" by no means alters the reality of intrinsically racist beliefs and policies that are honored as "traditions."

                                                                                                                                          1. re: catroast
                                                                                                                                            Withnail42 RE: catroast Jun 24, 2013 09:44 AM

                                                                                                                                            What I got out of it was:

                                                                                                                                            1. 'My poor great-grandfather had a hard time running the farm without 30 slaves to help him.'

                                                                                                                                            2. 'I'm not racist...see my bodyguard (who you can't see because he's standing against a dark wall ha ha) is black and I like him.'

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                                                                                                                                              Antilope RE: Withnail42 Jun 24, 2013 11:34 AM

                                                                                                                                              Paula Deen's great-grandfather owned 30 human beings. George Washington owned 300 human beings. Thomas Jefferson owned 200 to 300 human beings, none of whom were freed in their lifetimes, even though they spoke and wrote about "freedom". "Evil" Jefferson Davis owned 150 human beings, only half as many as Washington or Jefferson. They are all despicable in my opinion.

                                                                                                                                              John Adams owned 0 human beings and hated slavery all of his life. I'm surprised that he isn't held up as more of more of a hero than Washington and Jefferson who in reality were hypocrites.

                                                                                                                                              1. re: Antilope
                                                                                                                                                c oliver RE: Antilope Jun 24, 2013 12:47 PM

                                                                                                                                                I'm not sure what your point is. Sincerely and not argumentatively.

                                                                                                                                              2. re: Withnail42
                                                                                                                                                cresyd RE: Withnail42 Jun 24, 2013 10:51 PM

                                                                                                                                                Another point - she never actually refers to the slaves as slaves. She calls them workers and part of the family and "them" - but not slaves.

                                                                                                                                                Basically, it's just an incredibly jarring disconnect and uncomfortable video. While that video on its own wouldn't have been enough for FN to drop her, if I was an exec with the FN and caught wind of this video, there would be a serious sit down with her about how this would NOT play well in large parts of the US among viewers and advertisers. I don't necessarily believe that FN was looking for a reason to cut her - but I would not to be surprised to find out that she was on thin ice with them.

                                                                                                                                                Home Depot already wasn't sponsoring her shows (http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/...), which does make me wonder why.

                                                                                                                                              3. re: catroast
                                                                                                                                                c oliver RE: catroast Jun 24, 2013 09:57 AM

                                                                                                                                                I'm 66 and from the South and I couldn't keep watching that. It turned my stomach.

                                                                                                                                              4. girloftheworld RE: Phoebe Jun 24, 2013 09:52 AM

                                                                                                                                                This may not be a popular opinion because I know 66 doesnt seem very old.. but I do a lot of voulenteer demos and stuff in those "retirement" villages that are attached to leveled care facilties so as you get older you just keep moving to higher and higher care.....annnnyway she sounds a lot like many of the people who pre dementia ..they just ramble and try to hold on to their pride and explain their point ..sometimes medication makes filtering converstion hard for them and they say whatever pops into thier head.

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                                                                                                                                                  Hobbert RE: girloftheworld Jun 24, 2013 09:54 AM

                                                                                                                                                  Nah. I've been in the medical field for 15 years. She just seems like a bigot to me.

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                                                                                                                                                    girloftheworld RE: Hobbert Jun 24, 2013 09:58 AM

                                                                                                                                                    awww. too bad... that was my last hold out hope for her...

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                                                                                                                                                      Hobbert RE: girloftheworld Jun 24, 2013 10:38 AM

                                                                                                                                                      Yeah, I tried to give her the benefit of the doubt but her views are just beyond the pale.

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                                                                                                                                                        mcf RE: Hobbert Jun 24, 2013 10:45 AM

                                                                                                                                                        You have to be able to pity her for stupidity as much as you might for dementia. I mean, she really, sincerely, 100% Does. Not. Get. It.

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                                                                                                                                                          Firegoat RE: mcf Jun 24, 2013 10:47 AM

                                                                                                                                                          And on the flip side, Food Network made a ton of money off that woman for how many years? 11? This was no secret to them.

                                                                                                                                                          1. re: Firegoat
                                                                                                                                                            monavano RE: Firegoat Jun 24, 2013 10:54 AM

                                                                                                                                                            Undoubtedly FN knew exactly who Paula is. She raked in money for FN and of course, made a pile for herself.

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                                                                                                                                                              mcf RE: Firegoat Jun 24, 2013 10:56 AM

                                                                                                                                                              We don't know.

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                                                                                                                                                                westsidegal RE: mcf Jun 24, 2013 11:34 PM

                                                                                                                                                                are you saying that you think she completely concealed her bigotry from FN?
                                                                                                                                                                you think it was at all possible for them not to know?

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                                                                                                                                                                  mcf RE: westsidegal Jun 25, 2013 05:32 AM

                                                                                                                                                                  Where did I say that?

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                                                                                                                                                              pinehurst RE: mcf Jun 24, 2013 10:50 AM

                                                                                                                                                              Yeah, that nailed it. When she was holding forth about her great grandfather and how hard he had it losing his "family" that were "on the books", it was like watching a car wreck. Then she started holding forth about Hollis and I wanted to crawl under my desk and block my ears. Or bitch slap some sense into her. But like the proverb goes "The donkey has grown its tail; nothing to be done, now"

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                                                                                                                                                                monavano RE: pinehurst Jun 24, 2013 11:00 AM

                                                                                                                                                                I know, like, really, Paula? Really? The hardship was your great grandfathers? Not the slaves who suffered unspeakable acts of violence and injustice?
                                                                                                                                                                Paula's pauses and pandering to the audience when telling this yarn was just hard to watch. Did she think they'd just gasp at her family's "hardships"?
                                                                                                                                                                Sure I can relate! It was tough when my ancestors had to lose their slaves too!

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                                                                                                                                                                  mcf RE: monavano Jun 24, 2013 11:10 AM

                                                                                                                                                                  "Sure I can relate! It was tough when my ancestors had to lose their slaves too!"

                                                                                                                                                                  I know, right? I Hate when that happens.

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                                                                                                                                                                    inaplasticcup RE: monavano Jun 24, 2013 11:16 AM

                                                                                                                                                                    Losing all your slaves at once. It's rough.

                                                                                                                                                                    Have a little empathy, mona.

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                                                                                                                                                                      mcf RE: inaplasticcup Jun 24, 2013 11:21 AM

                                                                                                                                                                      Ruins yer whole day.

                                                                                                                                                                      I guess it's an unintended tribute of sorts; he quickly realized he was worth nothing without them.

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                                                                                                                                                                        C. Hamster RE: inaplasticcup Jun 24, 2013 11:27 AM


                                                                                                                                                                        Plantations don't run themselves, you know.

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                                                                                                                                                                          monavano RE: inaplasticcup Jun 24, 2013 11:48 AM

                                                                                                                                                                          I know! I should be moved. Wait... my eyes are misting up now...

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                                                                                                                                                                            mcf RE: monavano Jun 24, 2013 11:51 AM


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                                                                                                                                                                              INDIANRIVERFL RE: mcf Jun 24, 2013 01:39 PM

                                                                                                                                                                              I feel so deprived. Dad traced the family tree on his side back to the Mayflower and nobody owned any slaves. However, he did find a couple of ancestors with Pinky as their middle or nicknames.

                                                                                                                                                                              Which means that I have a touch of the tar brush in me.

                                                                                                                                                          2. Firegoat RE: Phoebe Jun 24, 2013 10:51 AM

                                                                                                                                                            I did like that when Bobby Flay was on GMA this morning to promote his new book he immediately deflected a question about the Paula Deen situation and said he was here to talk about food and to cook.

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                                                                                                                                                              Phoebe RE: Phoebe Jun 24, 2013 01:08 PM

                                                                                                                                                              I'm wondering where Paula's sons are during all of this??? Nothing to my knowledge has been reported about their whereabouts. Or comments of support.

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                                                                                                                                                              1. re: Phoebe
                                                                                                                                                                Firegoat RE: Phoebe Jun 24, 2013 01:09 PM

                                                                                                                                                                Because they are being smart and keeping their mouths shut? Like Paula should have done?

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                                                                                                                                                                  mcf RE: Firegoat Jun 25, 2013 07:21 AM

                                                                                                                                                                  Not any more. http://www.cnn.com/2013/06/25/showbiz...

                                                                                                                                                                  I have no problem believing that she's not a hater, just terribly ignorant and comfortable with policies, beliefs and practices that have racist effects as their outcome, including hostile work environment.

                                                                                                                                                                  Folks too often think that racism requires hostility and hatred, rather than beliefs and traditions some folks don't think about enough to realize their impact or the need for change.

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                                                                                                                                                                    HillJ RE: mcf Jun 25, 2013 07:24 AM

                                                                                                                                                                    Finally! And I was also wondering when being shaken down for money was going to be said out loud by a member of the Deen family.

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                                                                                                                                                                      Firegoat RE: mcf Jun 25, 2013 07:32 AM

                                                                                                                                                                      Ah yes, I saw that this morning. I understand their desire to defend their mum, but surprised they didn't hold off until after her Today interview on Wednesday.

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                                                                                                                                                                        HillJ RE: Firegoat Jun 25, 2013 07:38 AM

                                                                                                                                                                        Firegoat, no one has held off...why should PD's sons? Aren't you surprised they weren't the first to address the shit storm?

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                                                                                                                                                                          Firegoat RE: HillJ Jun 25, 2013 07:41 AM

                                                                                                                                                                          I was hoping maybe that they actually received good PR and/or legal advice and chose to follow it.

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                                                                                                                                                                            HillJ RE: Firegoat Jun 25, 2013 07:46 AM

                                                                                                                                                                            I can't imagine what advice is left to follow....maybe a year from now...but the volume of public opinion has won for now...wouldn't you say.

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                                                                                                                                                                              Firegoat RE: HillJ Jun 25, 2013 07:48 AM

                                                                                                                                                                              Well there is still the lawsuit. How they'll find an impartial jury now who knows.
                                                                                                                                                                              And social media is being slammed with people supporting her. With that kind of fan base someone is going to pick her up. I don't think this is the last we've heard from her at all.

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                                                                                                                                                                                mcf RE: Firegoat Jun 25, 2013 08:01 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                With that fan base, she really doesn't need anyone to pick her up. She can create her own web show if there are enough folks who still need to see her cook.

                                                                                                                                                                                I don't think those supporters are all food program watchers, though.

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                                                                                                                                                                                  Firegoat RE: mcf Jun 25, 2013 08:04 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                  Her shows are still on some other channel... can't recall the name great country or something. I imagine when the dust settles she'll be picked up by another channel or like you said, do web programming. And it isn't like she hasn't made a ton of money. I would imagine her goal now is (or should be) not to destroy her sons' careers. But that's just my opinion.

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                                                                                                                                                                                    ritabwh RE: Firegoat Jun 29, 2013 12:28 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                    would it not be really weird if the sons stayed with food network, the network that publicly did not renew their mother's contract?

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                                                                                                                                                                                  HillJ RE: Firegoat Jun 25, 2013 08:24 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                  Oh I'm not commenting on her future in food and I think "the public" proves time and time again how opinions shift..especially over time. Including famous chefs who one year supported her and now write OpEd pieces slapping PD's wrist.

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                                                                                                                                                                                    dolly52 RE: HillJ Jun 25, 2013 08:33 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                    she will become a born again televangelist, spreading the good news, especially on "how not to get caught on being a bigot"

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                                                                                                                                                                      girloftheworld RE: Phoebe Jun 24, 2013 01:21 PM

                                                                                                                                                                      Probally a smart move when he named his show "Not my Mama's meals..." so the first thing people hear is Not my mama

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                                                                                                                                                                        inaplasticcup RE: Phoebe Jun 24, 2013 03:16 PM

                                                                                                                                                                        Maybe they learned from someone that you only publicly say things that seem decent (on the surface) if it's going to help you sell diabetes medications.

                                                                                                                                                                        Or maybe Mama really is that indefensible. :/

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                                                                                                                                                                          teezeetoo RE: inaplasticcup Jun 26, 2013 02:29 AM

                                                                                                                                                                          Ms. Deen is a shrewd businesswoman who cares not one whit about her audience, her food, your health, or anything but the bottomline of her bank statement. She may have a 1/4 million supporters on facebook but I would guess most of them have never seen her show, won't remember to watch her wherever she goes next, and are merely expressing their political and/or racial views that she shouldn't be punished for never once examining her "cheery" and poisonous racial stereotypes. Maybe she doesn't beat her dog, but she sure is nostalgic for the good old days when black folks knew how to wait on her.

                                                                                                                                                                      2. Firegoat RE: Phoebe Jun 26, 2013 04:13 AM

                                                                                                                                                                        Looks like she'll at least have book sales to support her. Orders for her new book to come out in October have taken off.

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                                                                                                                                                                          F4drvr RE: Phoebe Jun 26, 2013 09:35 AM

                                                                                                                                                                          Let me try to understand this. Paula deen makes a stupid mistake with her comments regarding the dreaded n word. For that she must lose her show and beg forgiveness. The n word is used daily by blacks but they get a pass on that. Now we have a convicted rapist namely Tyson who shows no emotion. Gets a broadway show last year. Gosh that sounds about right and fair. I'm just sayin

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                                                                                                                                                                            JonParker RE: F4drvr Jun 26, 2013 09:39 AM

                                                                                                                                                                            Just sayin' what?

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                                                                                                                                                                              F4drvr RE: JonParker Jun 26, 2013 09:57 AM

                                                                                                                                                                              I'm sayin two sets of rules. One for that nasty n word but a different rule when people say honky or cracker or some other stupid words. Racism works for everyone. It should not be tolerated by any race. But get real when was the last time a black got all this attention for using racist slurs. It does not happen. There is a black family reunion on the mall every year. If Caucasians wanted a white family reunion they would never be allowed a permit. Is that fair. Again a double standard.. Call Jesse call al. Also just as a little note about Jesse jackson. Do you know how he ended up with a Budweiser distributorship.?. I'm just sayin... Be honest

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                                                                                                                                                                                The Chowhound Team RE: F4drvr Jun 26, 2013 11:01 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                This is getting way too far afield from anything even vaguely to do with food or even a food personality. Let's please not continue this conversation down this path, thanks.

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                                                                                                                                                                                  ritabwh RE: F4drvr Jun 29, 2013 12:32 AM


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                                                                                                                                                                                ritabwh RE: F4drvr Jun 29, 2013 12:31 AM


                                                                                                                                                                              3. Antilope RE: Phoebe Jun 26, 2013 10:02 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                Prejudice is as old as people. Will it ever end?

                                                                                                                                                                                The Cro Magnon "N" word was probably Neanderthal.

                                                                                                                                                                                1. LindaWhit RE: Phoebe Jun 28, 2013 11:07 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                  Sears is the latest to sever ties with PD:


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                                                                                                                                                                                    C. Hamster RE: LindaWhit Jun 28, 2013 11:11 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                    Her diabetes endorsement gig was pulled too, leaving the field wide open for Wilfred Brimley.

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                                                                                                                                                                                      LindaWhit RE: C. Hamster Jun 28, 2013 11:20 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                      Is he still alive?

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                                                                                                                                                                                        C. Hamster RE: LindaWhit Jun 28, 2013 11:29 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                        I assume so since the meds are deliveredright to his door ... with no cost to him!

                                                                                                                                                                                        Just looked. Yes, he's till with us.

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                                                                                                                                                                                          Withnail42 RE: C. Hamster Jun 28, 2013 01:49 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                          No pile of meds at his door that one can assume that he got up from his bowl Quaker oats and collected them.

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                                                                                                                                                                                      Firegoat RE: LindaWhit Jun 28, 2013 12:01 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                      JC Penney's and Walgreens are also pulling out. At least her new book is number one.

                                                                                                                                                                                    3. Firegoat RE: Phoebe Jun 28, 2013 12:15 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                      Jimmy Carter weighs in

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                                                                                                                                                                                        paulj RE: Firegoat Jun 28, 2013 01:02 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                        President Carter was on one of her shows several years ago, the episode with the infamous canned English peas 'recipe'. The focus was on comfort foods and his mother. It is also the only episode that I have watched (in rerun) for more than a few minutes.

                                                                                                                                                                                      2. JonParker RE: Phoebe Jun 28, 2013 04:34 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                        And it looks like her upcoming cookbook has been cancelled: http://eater.com/archives/2013/06/28/...

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                                                                                                                                                                                          TomDel RE: Phoebe Jun 29, 2013 09:58 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                          Lessons Learned

                                                                                                                                                                                          If you've ever used a pejorative word in a joke or anger regarding a person of another race, ethnicity or religion and it's not on tape, deny it emphatically, particularly if it happened 30 or 40 years ago.

                                                                                                                                                                                          I'm of Irish decent and can't wait to hear someone call me or someone else a "Mick" so I can get them fired and sue them for every penny they have.

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                                                                                                                                                                                            mcf RE: TomDel Jun 29, 2013 10:24 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                            The case is filed by a white woman who alleges sexual harassment and hostile work environment. Get the facts.

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                                                                                                                                                                                              kengk RE: mcf Jun 29, 2013 12:27 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                              That is true and it all sounds very bad. However; the public relations shitstorm is because she admitted using the word nigger.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                mcf RE: kengk Jun 29, 2013 12:36 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                That's certainly what's been senationalized, but most folks I have heard and read don't feel that's why she's lost so much business and public support. Folks are reading the deposition and finding much worse stuff in there.

                                                                                                                                                                                                I don't think her corporate sponsors want the liability of those employment practices she's vowed not to change.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                  Ruth Lafler RE: mcf Jun 29, 2013 12:44 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                  Yeah, I don't really care whether she uses the n-word among her friends and family, and I certainly don't care if she used it 30 years ago, to echo the cries of her defenders. Furthermore, I don't think "have you EVER used the n-word" is a fair or relevant question. She's a 66-year-old woman who was raised in Georgia; I assume that she's used it at some point in her life.

                                                                                                                                                                                                  She may even be a nice lady. But people are nice to children and dogs -- that doesn't mean that it's appropriate to treat an adult employee like a child or a dog.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                    c oliver RE: Ruth Lafler Jun 29, 2013 04:22 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                    Please don't paint us all with that brush. I'm a 66 y.o. woman from Atlanta and I didn't grow up with that word. And, while my parents were certainly racist, I would have received serious punishment if I had used it. I know I've said this before. I just repeat it to remind people that it was NEVER an acceptable term.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                TomDel RE: mcf Jun 29, 2013 04:40 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                I have the facts. She didn't call anyone who worked for her a nigger. All she did was admit that she used the term at sometime in the past.

                                                                                                                                                                                                I think we need a congressional investigation of everyone in America and prosecute anyone whoever in their life spoke out loud the words nigger, wop, guinea, jig, kike, pollack, mick, kraut, kike, heeb, jungle bunny, spear chucker, wasp, limey, frog, towel head, sand nigger, dot head, chink, slope, gook, jap, cracker, honkey, et al.

                                                                                                                                                                                                My point is that it wasn't very nice what she said but the punishment certainly doesn't fit the crime and she obviously apologized profusely.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                  C. Hamster RE: TomDel Jun 29, 2013 04:50 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                  Pollack ? Like the fish?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                    Hobbert RE: C. Hamster Jun 29, 2013 04:53 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                    I feel so out of touch. I don't even know half those words.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                      C. Hamster RE: Hobbert Jun 29, 2013 04:57 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                      Sadly I have heard them all but "pollack, "dot head" and "frog "

                                                                                                                                                                                                      What's a dot head?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                        LindaWhit RE: C. Hamster Jun 29, 2013 05:03 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                        An Indian from the continent of India.

                                                                                                                                                                                                        And I believe he meant "Polack" - someone who is of Polish descent. A Frog is a Frenchman/woman.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                    pikawicca RE: TomDel Jun 29, 2013 04:50 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                    As others have pointed out, her use of the n-word 30 years ago is not the issue. The alleged hostile workplace that she allowed to exist at at least one of her restaurants is. If the civil complaint proves to be true, this woman deserves all that she's been dealt recently and then some.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                      C. Hamster RE: pikawicca Jun 29, 2013 04:53 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                      +1 pwikka

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                                                                                                                                                                                                      LindaWhit RE: TomDel Jun 29, 2013 05:01 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                      You continue to focus on her past use of the word. THAT is not what the lawsuit is about, although that seems to be the only thing that the media chooses to focus on (what a surprise). If the complaint against her is true, she's got a helluva lot more to answer for.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                        ferventfoodie RE: TomDel Jun 29, 2013 05:04 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                        Too profusely - she kind of made a mockery of the whole
                                                                                                                                                                                                        thing. And I don't think these companies' decisions were
                                                                                                                                                                                                        made solely on the use of single word. She lost any
                                                                                                                                                                                                        credibility she might have had with me during the diabetes
                                                                                                                                                                                                        drug situation. I've heard her make some risque -maybe
                                                                                                                                                                                                        even raucnhy? - remarks during TV appearances. I
                                                                                                                                                                                                        wouldn't miss her but I don't think she'll disappear completely
                                                                                                                                                                                                        or forever - somebody's going to want to cash in on all
                                                                                                                                                                                                        that potential income.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                          TrishUntrapped RE: TomDel Jun 29, 2013 05:10 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                          Once again a piss poor post bound to end this thread. Thanks.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                            JonParker RE: TomDel Jun 29, 2013 05:10 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                            The problem is that you contradict yourself in the first paragraph, by claiming that you have the facts, then saying that "all she did" was admit to using the term in the past. Obviously, someone reading the deposition would realize that using that term sometime in the past is not "all she did," so while your claim to the facts is true so far as it goes, it also omits a large part of the problem. If that were in fact "all she did" then we probably would not be having this dicussion.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                              mcf RE: TomDel Jun 29, 2013 07:02 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                              you didn't get the facts if you think it's about that word. go back and read the deposition this time.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                James Cristinian RE: TomDel Jun 29, 2013 07:03 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                TomDel, you left out Aggie and Kentuckian jokes. Being a second generation Pole, I heard all the stupid Polish jokes, but the people telling had no idea I was Polish. I was never offended, and Aggie jokes were big in Texas for those making fun of Texas A and M. The funny thing is when my cousins moved to Evansville, Indiana they were telling all the same Polish and Aggie jokes, but using Kentuckians instead. The thing is their dad, my uncle, was a huge Aggie graduate.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                  dolly52 RE: TomDel Jun 30, 2013 06:10 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  you may have gotten a kick writing down all those words, but, in my opinion, none is as bad as the n word. It has always been used as a putdown. It is cruel and just unacceptable. She is a public figure and it was not only the word that did her in.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                    TomDel RE: dolly52 Jun 30, 2013 11:53 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I didn't get a kick out of it. I was merely pointing out that there are hurtful derogatory terms for almost every race, creed and nationality. And no, I don't believe that the "N" word is any better or worse than any other pejorative term that is intended to insult or hurt another person.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    It most certainly was the "word" that did her in. The whole trial was under the radar and barely news until it came out that she used the "N" word and that was what all of the media focused on.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                      mcf RE: TomDel Jun 30, 2013 11:58 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      You're mistaken once more. There has been NO trial. The word and other information came out when the pre trial deposition was filed with the court.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      The sponsors no doubt read the deposition to see just how deep the liability went and many cut bait after her terrible non apology on Today.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                        TomDel RE: mcf Jun 30, 2013 03:23 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Trial or no trial isn't the issue. She used a word in a private conversation that apparently is deemed way more... you know what if you don't get it, I surrender. Burn her at the stake and send her children and grandchildren to re-education camps in North Korea.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                          JonParker RE: TomDel Jun 30, 2013 03:51 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Wow. Is there an overreaction that's too much for you? Should it be TomHDel, with the H standing for hyperbole?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                          JonParker RE: mcf Jun 30, 2013 03:41 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I actually agree with both of you, as strange as that is. Her use of the N word, and the media firestorm that ensued was certainly a part of her downfall, as were the far more racially damaging pieces of her testimony that she admitted to.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          The reason this will not go away as an issue is not because she used the N word 30 years ago under duress, but because she condoned a pattern of discrimination in a business that she owned unto the present day.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                          JonParker RE: TomDel Jun 30, 2013 03:46 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Tom, whether you "believe" the N word is worse than other pejorative terms is irrelevant. The fact is that few other pejorative terms have a history of slavery and degradation in the way that one does, whether you "believe" it or not.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I do not believe that Paula Deen holds contempt for black people in her heart. But this whole thing has made it pretty obvious who does.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                            miss_belle RE: TomDel Jun 30, 2013 05:36 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I know each and every term you used to describe different nationalities. But the fact remains that the word "nigger" causes outrage where as the other one's don't. Double Standard time as usual.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                              linguafood RE: miss_belle Jun 30, 2013 05:46 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              "Black" is not a nationality. Just FYI.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              And if you have even the most basic knowledge of your own history (presuming you are US American), you would understand that it is not an issue of double standards.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                miss_belle RE: linguafood Jun 30, 2013 05:57 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                So much for my trying to make a point. You had to get technical didn't you..:-)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  wyogal RE: miss_belle Jun 30, 2013 06:04 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I don't understand your point. I find those terms to be unacceptable, and harmful as well. Yes, they also cause outrage, not sure why you think they don't.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    c oliver RE: wyogal Jun 30, 2013 06:47 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Agreed. Totally. Gotta stop them all.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                JonParker RE: miss_belle Jun 30, 2013 09:30 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Because again, one term is associated with slavery and institutionalized discrimination, while the other terms are not. Really not understanding why this is a difficult concept, unless it's being willfully obtuse.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                          madeliner RE: mcf Jun 29, 2013 08:48 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I would like to read them, is there a good place to get the whole story?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                            LindaWhit RE: madeliner Jun 30, 2013 04:59 AM


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                                                                                                                                                                                                                              JonParker RE: madeliner Jun 30, 2013 03:54 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              They can both be read here: http://nation.foxnews.com/2013/06/24/...

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                          ferventfoodie RE: Phoebe Jun 29, 2013 09:25 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Lauer interview question - Didn't see the whole thing but
                                                                                                                                                                                                                          have watched parts on the tube and the internet. There was
                                                                                                                                                                                                                          some discussion of Dean having a gun held to her head -
                                                                                                                                                                                                                          what as that all about?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Leepa RE: ferventfoodie Jun 30, 2013 04:34 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I believe when she was a young woman she worked in a bank that was robbed. The bank robber, who happened to be black, held a gun to her head during the course of the robbery.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                              inaplasticcup RE: Leepa Jun 30, 2013 05:10 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Given her propensity for telling convenient partial truths, I wonder if she was ever indeed held up by a black man at gunpoint or just made up that little tidbit to justify that *ONE* time <wink nudge> she used the word nigger.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Which, BTW, even if entirely true, is still not the reason she's in such hot water right now.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Leepa RE: inaplasticcup Jun 30, 2013 06:06 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Actually, I've heard that story before so I doubt that she made it up recently. I believe it's the event that set off her agoraphobia that she had before she started her bag lady business.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I am not defending her, but I refuse to pile on and make things up or assume she does.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  inaplasticcup RE: Leepa Jun 30, 2013 06:09 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I hope my comment about the reputation that some of us feel precedes Paula Deen didn't come across as any kind of challenge to yours. :)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Firegoat RE: inaplasticcup Jun 30, 2013 06:15 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Because apparently the press is tracking down everyone who knows anything about Paula Deen.... here is the bank robber's police report and his statement to the media.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    If you scroll down past the police report of the robber you get to Paula's written statement.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      inaplasticcup RE: Firegoat Jun 30, 2013 06:27 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Thanks for the link, Firegoat.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      The rest is not directly addressing you, but...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      My statement wasn't so much truly intended to question whether she was held up as it was to say that the things she keeps saying in service or defense of herself have seriously chipped away her credibility for a lot of reasonable people.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      To date, there doesn't appear to be a single credible person (not just from the perspective of veracity but from conflict of interest as well) with a considerable history with her willing to stick their necks out for her though she finds her public image in such dire straits.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Many of us are looking at this as a disproportionate consequence for a singular instance of the usage of the word "nigger," but as many of us have pointed out, her collateral, or perhaps karma, isn't doing her any favors right now.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Leepa RE: inaplasticcup Jun 30, 2013 06:27 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Not at all. I'm just one of those people who, since I don't know her personally, feel like I can't sit in judgement of her. I know I'm in the minority here.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        JonParker RE: Leepa Jun 30, 2013 06:32 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        To be clear, on some level I am judging her, but it's not because of media reports or buzz but because f her own sworn words in a deposition given under oath. She gives plenty of rope to hang her with there without relying on less reliablemsourdceèll

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            2. TrishUntrapped RE: Phoebe Jun 30, 2013 09:32 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I've spent too much time with this whole Paula Deen thing, I'm ready to move on. I do think she can redeem herself, and in the process spread awareness about racism across the country. Something good can come from all this. I hope it does.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. globocity RE: Phoebe Jun 30, 2013 07:24 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I wonder how or if the other celebrity/FN stars communicate to Paula in this shitstorm. Does Giada or Bobby Flay send a note expressing sympathy? Or do their respective PR teams advise against any kind of association with her?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  ritabwh RE: globocity Jun 30, 2013 07:36 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  great question.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    c oliver RE: globocity Jun 30, 2013 07:56 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    The latter. Stay far, far away. IMneverHO :)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      JonParker RE: globocity Jun 30, 2013 09:26 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      From what Alton Brown has said, the FN celebs hardly know each other anyways. FN likes to make it look like they're all buds, but in truth they don't really talk to each other off camera.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        mcf RE: JonParker Jul 1, 2013 06:17 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        They don't work together; they own or work for all different production companies and sell their shows to the network. Located all over the place, too. Some work together on competitions, is all.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          JonParker RE: mcf Jul 1, 2013 06:28 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Right, but they do FN shows like the Thanksgiving specials where they try to make it seem like they're all one big family.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            inaplasticcup RE: JonParker Jul 1, 2013 06:33 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Another reason FN is generally gross.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Leepa RE: Phoebe Jul 1, 2013 04:20 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I've been curious if she was included on any of the Next Food Network Star episodes this season. Most of those are in the can at this point, I'm sure. Wonder how they would or will handle that if she is?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        cresyd RE: Leepa Jul 1, 2013 09:24 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        She is in an upcoming episode of Masterchef. Not on Food Network - but it'll still be interesting to see how they choose to deal. I'm sure that Masterchef has footage of the judges being physically affectionate with her (friendly hugs, kiss on the cheek), some contestant getting really weepy/talking about how much they love her, the judges singing her praises etc. I wonder if they edits most of that away and have her appear as little as possible.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          C. Hamster RE: cresyd Jul 2, 2013 07:59 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I hope she still rides on that silly tractor, y'all

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Firegoat RE: C. Hamster Jul 2, 2013 08:30 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Masterchef may have a lot bigger problems to deal with than Paula Deen what with Krissi's racist tweets someone dug up this week and the allegations of sexual harrassment and abuse to the contestants flying around.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              cresyd RE: Firegoat Jul 2, 2013 10:49 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              The allegations of sexual harrassment and Krissi's tweets are really far more marginal in terms of the places citing and covering the stories. Whereas CNN/nightly news is covering Deen.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I think what the problem is with Deen though is that she's carrying around with her a huge spotlight. So Krissi's nasty tweets might have remained D-list news - but I think that Deen's image will serve to make everything louder. Especially regarding Krissi's tweets.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I just see the news story "Fox to provide Paula Deen's first tv appearance since the scandal broke on Masterchef - and did you know Masterchef has their own race problem?". That has the potential to go much further and garner far more negative attention than "Masterchef contestants tweets bigotry".

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      2. Withnail42 RE: Phoebe Jul 1, 2013 06:29 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        This whole thing will make a good PR case study for years to come.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. pikawicca RE: Phoebe Jul 2, 2013 10:14 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Yet another take.


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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            c oliver RE: pikawicca Jul 2, 2013 10:33 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Good piece. It is interesting how the big picture - a hostile work environment - doesn't get nearly the play as one word.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              sandylc RE: c oliver Jul 2, 2013 10:59 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              c, that occurred to me as well. The tone of ignorant arrogance, as well as the general nastiness and workplace abuses described in the complaint are what struck me more than the use of the "n" word by an older, ignorant Southerner.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                c oliver RE: sandylc Jul 2, 2013 11:18 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Whereas, I'm an older, enlightened Southerner :) But, yes. It's obvious she and her brother got stuck in the early 20th century.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  sandylc RE: c oliver Jul 2, 2013 11:28 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Enlightenment is always a good thing. I have an older female relative who has clearly not learned anything new since sometime in her childhood, so I have had a great example of how (to try) not to be.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    c oliver RE: sandylc Jul 2, 2013 11:41 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Unfortunately, we all have those people in our lives.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      sandylc RE: c oliver Jul 2, 2013 12:00 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I really do think that these people serve a purpose - to remind others to work harder at personal growth.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        c oliver RE: sandylc Jul 2, 2013 01:52 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I think we could do with far fewer however.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          sandylc RE: c oliver Jul 2, 2013 02:14 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          You do have a point!

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