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Paula Deen..... Breaking News Part II:

Apparently, Food Network has now pulled her show(s) too. Paula's Best Dishes was to be on the air now. Instead, one of Giada's many shows is now airing. Wonder if this will continue with FN pulling ALL of her shows??? (This accounts for half their programming!!!)

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  1. Considering all the backlash FN is getting on their facebook page and the at least two Paula Deen support pages that should really fire up Paula Deen supporters.
    http://inagist.com/all/34821281922691...

    Even Bill Maher anti her firing.

    1. Wow, FN said they are done with her and it looks like they are moving at lightning speed here!

      Is Paula Deen going to disappear completely from the airwaves though? I don't think so.
      http://patriciagay.wordpress.com/2013...

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      1. re: TrishUntrapped

        They still have her picture up on their website as well as her bio etc.

        1. 9:30's show has been pulled too. Looks like FN is done with her ... at least for now!!!

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          1. Anyone remember this Food Network's Star lawsuit involving rascist sexist and scatological comments in the workplace?

            http://gothamist.com/2011/10/13/guy_f...

            Of course he was a guy......

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            1. re: Firegoat

              I had never heard about this lawsuit before... but not surprising to me at all. He was born with the last name of Ferry. Only to change it to Fieri, with the accent on the "e".

              1. re: Firegoat

                So why is it alright when he does it...

                1. re: Firegoat

                  It isn't okay for anyone to so those things. I see two major differences between that example and Paula Deen:

                  1) it wasn't that long ago that FN stood behind her while she faced a media firestorm over the diabetes/hypocrisy/hawking meds thing, and

                  2) Paula Deen admitted in her deposition to actions considered to be egregious by the viewing public. Fieri was accused, but I don't recall that he ever admitted to doing anthing wrong, nor was there a successful case agains him.

                  Not defending Fieri at all...in fact if he took his convertible and rode off into obscurity, that would be just fine with me. I am just commenting on how I see these two situations as being difference from the FN management perspective.

                  1. re: jlhinwa

                    I'm starting to wonder if I maybe have a sixth sense about these things. I have never been able to stand Deen, or Fieri, or Irvine, to the point where I will change the channel the second they appear. And all of those have been involved in some sort of distasteful behavior.

                    On the other hand, while I don't really care for say, Rachael Ray or Bobby Flay, I don't have the same visceral repulsion for them. It makes me wonder...

                    1. re: JonParker

                      Of course Bobby Flay isn't exactly squeaky clean either, settling out a lawsuit where he was cheating his staff out of tips and overtime
                      http://www.dnainfo.com/new-york/20100...
                      and his sex scam hookup with January Jones ....
                      Then there is Rachael Ray who's show was sued for forcing out an anorexic employee for discrimination and is being sued by a fat teenager as well. Not to mention the dunkin' donuts scandals and the rampant rumors of how impossible she is to work for or her racist comments about Oprah.
                      Don't even get me started on the mess over at Masterchef with sexism or Marcella of Mexican Made Easy's affair with her married co-host on American Baking Competition... there is no such thing as squeaky clean in this business it seems.

                      1. re: Firegoat

                        Firegoat... I thought that was Mario B.. not Bobby Flay???

                        1. re: Phoebe

                          It's actually both of them Phoebe. If you click that link it goes to the Bobby Flay lawsuit at one of his restaurants I think Mesa Grill. Mario and his buddy Joe B. also have their lawsuit.

                          1. re: Firegoat

                            I wonder who taught who??? Sad, considering ALL of the money they both have!!! Especially sad they're ripping off the people who are making them the money!!!

                            1. re: Phoebe

                              Keep in mind that the Flay and Batali lawsuits were class action suits brought by the same lawyer who also brought suit against Jean-Georges Vongerichten, Tom Colicchio, and Robert DeNiro, Jay-Z, and Justin Timberlake (the last three all own, or owned, restaurants in Manhattan). All of these were tip-sharing disputes. No one was claiming that the chefs or celebrities were withholding payment in order to line their own pockets.

                              1. re: JoanN

                                Yes, the same suits are happening in Nassau County, just several miles away from NYC. It's a labor vs. management suit.

                                Unlike, say, Lidia's enslavement case; she's not in PD's shoes because she clearly must have paid up to make it go totally silent.

                                1. re: mcf

                                  And also the Anne Burrell sexual harrassment and sexual discrimination lawsuits from her employees and Zakarian of course.....

                                  1. re: Firegoat

                                    They must be doing better crisis management; I've never heard about them.

                                    Which is why PD is fired and others are not?

                                    1. re: mcf

                                      They've all been in the news. I particularly remember Guy's because of the anti-semitic and homophobic problems. I don't know why they haven't been as blown up. Maybe stealing tips, being anti gay, anti jew and anti women isn't. Or maybe they didn't want these chefs out at this time. Who knows?

                                      1. re: Firegoat

                                        Oh, I remember Guy's, in the wake of his NYC restaurant opening. Not the others, though. He did good management, too, though, and got high marks for it. And the restaurant is doing well, I've read.

                          2. re: Firegoat

                            But an FN leaker reportedly stated that PD was let go for such astoundingly poor crisis management, not the allegations themselves. This according to Howard Bragman and the reporter who broke the story and says the rest of the case is much uglier than what's public so far.

                            1. re: mcf

                              I saw Howard Bragman too. He stated it was pure arrogance to not have settled this out of court. Why would you risk a $20 million empire? Over a $1 million settlement behind closed doors??? She has the worst PR team ever!!! He also went on to say that if her people were smart... They'd go to work merging "her brand" with her "son's brand" and turn in in to a Deen empire brand.

                              1. re: Phoebe

                                I was thinking the very same thing- worst PR team in history.

                              2. re: mcf

                                I read a copy of the complaint in the PD lawsuit -- it's pretty ugly. Not just racism, but sexual harassment, sexual discrimination, and just overall a nasty, nasty place to work.

                                BTW, they didn't actually "fire" Paula. The chose not to renew her contract, which is slightly different from a legal standpoint. I'm assuming that the shows they've reportedly yanked were reruns as well.

                                    1. re: c oliver

                                      One of the more interesting tidbits tossed out in defense of Deen is that she was an Obama supporter. I think this shows that people are complex creatures who don't always fit into the stereotyped roles we wish they did. I know that people love portraying Deen as either the cold hearted Southern bigot or the innocent victim of political correctness, but what they're really doing is projecting their own views onto her.

                                      I also wonder if she thinks it's a good idea to dress the POTUS in a white tuxedo as a wedding decoration.

                                      1. re: JonParker

                                        I think that's quite consistent with the distinction she was making between the "professional" black waiters she described and people she would call "n*****s." Some people think that racism/bigotry means unreserved hatred or contempt for people of that group, when really it's much more subtle than that. It can take the form, for example of having to prove that you're not a n****** before you will be treated with dignity and respect.

                                        1. re: Ruth Lafler

                                          For a couple of years when I was little, Mother went back to work and we had a black maid. When she referred to a "nigger" she mean a scum of the earth black person. That was in the 50s. Nowadays only black people can call other black people that. No white person should call a black person that. Ever. Even growing up in the South in the 50s, that word would have caused a severe punishment. But we never used it anyway. PD and I are the same age. Just some of my experiences.

                                        2. re: JonParker

                                          No one really knows how she voted:

                                          1. re: dolly52

                                            No one knows how anyone votes, but they do know if they contribute a substantial dollar amount to a campaign as that has to be reported.

                                            That said, I've voted for a few duds in my life.

                                            1. re: dolly52

                                              http://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-n...

                                              You're right, no one really knows how she voted, but I'd call campaigning for a candidate to be a strong indicator.

                                              1. re: JonParker

                                                I thought that the election wasn't about race... so what does her support of Obama have to do with anything?
                                                sheesh, these threads take on a life of their own, eh?

                                                1. re: wyogal

                                                  Waiting to see how long it takes for this thread takes to be locked....

                                                    1. re: wyogal

                                                      Something obscenely fascinating about watching a train wreck in slow motion. We tend to forget all of the innocent victims.

                                                2. re: JonParker

                                                  she also had diabetes and hid it for years, in my opinion, sometimes she masks her true feelings very well in order to keep her fans happy. Look at this last incident she managed to fool the general public. She knew
                                                  knew campaigningfor Obama was a positive for her. I guess I don't believe a thing this woman does.

                                        3. re: mcf

                                          That is what I think. There is something going on we don't know. I know we don't know the whole story......also, why aren't there people defending her? I haven't seen much in her defense.

                                          1. re: kprange

                                            There have been some, but they're drowned out. I think the information in the complaint and her responses to the deposition made it clear how ugly things were under her management in the restaurant her brother operated that people are disgusted.

                                            It may be that no one trusts her judgement enough to want to partner with her in business. I think that's also why a few pulled out immediately after her interview on Today. She doesn't get it, says she won't change. She at least needs to change her corporate HR and management style.

                                            1. re: mcf

                                              I wouldn't be surprised to find out she's in that restaurant maybe a couple of days a month what with all her other commitments. I do feel like she's taking the fall for her brother's pissy style and she'll pay for it a long time. That said. She's come up from absolutely nothing before. I think she will be back.

                                              1. re: Firegoat

                                                It's her business, her management, her responsiblity. She's taking the fall for not doing her job well enough to prevent abuses of employees, from her own testimony.

                                                1. re: Firegoat

                                                  I disagree with just about everything you said. Interesting that the same people who give her credit for coming up from "absolutely nothing" are the same people who think she's not responsible for what's going on in those very same businesses. Either she's responsible for those successful businesses or she's not -- you can't have it both ways.

                                                  As for coming back, I don't think so. I think that one reason that this has become such a big deal is that it's come on the heels of the news that she concealed her diabetes until it became financially advantageous for her to reveal it. It made it much harder for her to sell herself as that sweet, simple lady (as people in this thread have characterized her) who was all about love and family when it became clear she was more interested in money and protecting a brand that's all about her unhealthy lifestyle. Basically, she was already being revealed as somewhat of a fraud. This just takes it a step further by casting more light on how she treats her "family" of employees.

                                              2. re: kprange

                                                Small suppliers that she has supported, Jimmy Carter, places where she donates a lot of money and time which usually translates to the less financially well off have all supported her. Pretty much people who have been around her a long time and have nothing to lose by cowing down.
                                                And yes if you demand links I have plenty of them.

                                                1. re: Firegoat

                                                  Jimmy Carter said she should be forgiven, which I agree with, but I haven't seen very many people attesting to her character. I am not saying it isn't out there, just not on main stream media.

                                                  1. re: kprange

                                                    I agree it isn't on main stream media. But her small suppliers that she stuck with when she could have gone big have supported her. Several people have mentioned all the charity work she does in her community for the poor. I have absolutely no first hand knowledge of that. But it does seem like some people are pointing out that she has done a lot for impoverished and minorities. Maybe she just doesn't play it up enough

                                                    1. re: Firegoat

                                                      Well, that's a point I tried to make earlier. No one is all good or all bad, but especially with public figures we feel justified in sitting in judgement based on one aspect of their personalities. I absolutely think PD is clueless about the hurtfulness of her words and actions. I believe her when she says that she would not intentionally hurt anyone.

                                                      The problem is that she doesn't understand how her words and attitudes cause harm. This isn't an old western -- there aren't black hats and white hats. It's real life, and we all have our good points and our dark sides.

                                                      1. re: JonParker

                                                        Right. This is 2013, not 1953. If she doesn't understand how her words and attitudes cause harm, then it's because she doesn't want to know. She just wants to live in her little fantasy world where slaves were members of the family and where the good life meant black people serving white people.

                                                      2. re: Firegoat

                                                        If CNN is mainstream it was all over it.

                                                      3. re: kprange

                                                        Forgiving someone presumes that they have done something wrong and that they have genuinely repented. I don't see any evidence that she's repented, only that she's upset that people are criticizing her. I've seen nothing but denial and non-apology apologies. I'll consider forgiving Paula when she actually takes some responsibility for what's happened.

                                                        1. re: Ruth Lafler

                                                          And that's where you and I part ways. I'm turning into the most Christian agnostic ever, but I truly believe that redemption is there for all of us. Forgiving someone requires that they need forgiveness, and is not based on deserving it or their repentance.

                                                          I don't disagree that Paula should own up to her own racism, and I don't think the loss of her brand and empire is unfair, but those are both separate from my willingness to forgive her.

                                                          Don't mean to get all nuanced and stuff.:)

                                                        2. re: kprange

                                                          A black minister did, flat out. Very directly addressed her character.