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Paula Deen's apology video

TrishUntrapped Jun 21, 2013 01:08 PM

I'm not trying to start anything negative and I advise we all do the same. Just posting a link here to Paula Deen's apology video because it's relevant.

This is Chowhound, a food website, and this is the Food Media & News board so this news item deserves sharing.

But let's save debate and personality issues for another board in another venue.

Thanks, Trish

http://www.tmz.com/2013/06/21/paula-d...

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  1. monavano RE: TrishUntrapped Jun 21, 2013 01:24 PM

    I don't get all the fuss about posting on this topic. I think we can all agree that using the N word is wrong. That said, Deen's apology is just odd. Can't put my finger on it. Maybe it's the overly contrived facial grimacing or the editing. It's so non specific. I would have no clue as to why she's apologizing, which makes it a bit phony to me.

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      crewsweeper RE: monavano Jun 25, 2013 11:18 AM

      I tend to agree. The incident was handled poorly by both PD, her team, the networks and the opposing lawyers. Not that I care what happens to PD one way or the other but seems to me to be a lot of bluster and overreaction to something that happened long ago (last century maybe?). And, given the culture--even up to today-- a word ventemently uttered by a lot of people. Now had she aired this word in public last week, not just on a deposition answering a loaded question, I might have a different opinion. While they're at it, the media holier than thou types should start pulling the record contracts and endorsement payola from the rap "artists" who mutter this word frequently, not just wagging bony fingers at them.

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        wyogal RE: crewsweeper Jul 1, 2013 02:27 PM

        The bluster is not about saying a word 30 years ago, it's about the alleged hostile work environment that continued for years, and not all that long ago.

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          monavano RE: wyogal Jul 1, 2013 03:34 PM

          I wish the media would get it through their thick head. It's not about the N word!

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            Phaedrus RE: kengk Jul 2, 2013 06:07 AM

            Uh, no. the PR nightmare is that she created the PR nightmare when she screwed the apology.

            Here is another view.

            http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/29/us/...

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              JonParker RE: Phaedrus Jul 2, 2013 08:53 PM

              That is the single best thing I've read on this.

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              piccola RE: monavano Jul 2, 2013 06:47 PM

              Most stories I've read mention the n word in passing and detail all the other things from the deposition. So I'm not sure it's the media focussing on the slur -- I think it's the audience.

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        kengk RE: TrishUntrapped Jun 21, 2013 01:29 PM

        I figure this whole deal will kill her television interests but not cause much harm to the restaurant end of it. I guess that depends on how much she ends up settling for.

        Were I her advisor this is what I would have suggested for her public statement:

        "Fuck Y'all."

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          Pookipichu RE: kengk Jun 21, 2013 02:17 PM

          That was, in effect, her INITIAL statement. The backlash that received is what led to the video apology.

        2. Njchicaa RE: TrishUntrapped Jun 21, 2013 01:33 PM

          The fact that a 45 second clip had to be edited/spliced 3 times just makes the whole thing seem so insincere.

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            youareabunny RE: TrishUntrapped Jun 21, 2013 01:37 PM

            Seems most the ill treatment was at the hands of Bubba.

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              dolly52 RE: TrishUntrapped Jun 21, 2013 01:44 PM

              chute, I am tired of people defending her, it is what it is, she is a racist. PERIOD and by this video, to me anyway, seems like a drunk one.

              1. Njchicaa RE: TrishUntrapped Jun 21, 2013 01:45 PM

                Supposedly FoodNetwork is not renewing her contract which expires at the end of the month.

                http://www.tmz.com/2013/06/21/paula-d...

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                  Just Visiting RE: TrishUntrapped Jun 21, 2013 01:46 PM

                  I am extremely skeptical 24/7 but somehow, I think she was sincere. Partly because she didn't say "I'm sorry IF I offended/hurt..." Drives me bonkers when people do that. It shifts blame to those who were hurt, because it implies that the act was not wrong in the absolute, that it was only the reaction to it that is the problem. She didn't do that. She said she knew she was wrong and she was sorry THAT she hurt people.

                  Monavano - I don't ordinarily watch PD. Not my cup of tea. But on the few occasions I have watched (the classic T-day turducken accompanied by deep-fried turkey), she's always over-the-top with her facial expressions, thick honey voice, y'all accent, and such. If anything, she seemed a little toned-down in this video.

                  I don't think she's worried about her future. She's already 65, has big bucks - more than enough to last her the rest of her life - said to be worth 16 mill. And in the U.S., everyone gets second acts, third acts, fourth acts. Idiot shock jocks like Howard Stern or Don Imus, Shaquille O'Neal, Michael Jackson, Jesse Jackson, Mel Gibson...John Mayer, Clay Aiken...they apologize and keep on raking in the dough.

                  So if that premise is correct, then she didn't apologize because she was worried about her future. So then...maybe because she really meant it?

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                    dolly52 RE: Just Visiting Jun 21, 2013 02:00 PM

                    she issued a second apology, and if I am not mistaken, she is partially blaming the press.

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                      monavano RE: dolly52 Jun 21, 2013 02:01 PM

                      What is she saying about the press?

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                        dolly52 RE: monavano Jun 21, 2013 02:06 PM

                        "....that my family & I are not the kind of people the press is wanting to say we are. something like that

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                          monavano RE: dolly52 Jun 21, 2013 02:08 PM

                          Hmmm.... well, the press didn't put the N word in her mouth.

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                        Withnail42 RE: dolly52 Jun 22, 2013 03:21 PM

                        She was more than happy to use the press when it suited her.

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                        cresyd RE: Just Visiting Jun 21, 2013 02:46 PM

                        Martha Stewart went to jail and was able to come back to her show.

                        True, insider trading is different in a public relations perspective to using offensive language - but I think ultimately these shows get canceled to stop the negative news cycle. Then once it stops, once someone else messes up, time passes, etc - it's fairly easy to present the whole "everyone deserves a second chance". Basically, if Paula wants a redemption story - I think it'll be available to her.

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                          HillJ RE: cresyd Jun 21, 2013 02:48 PM

                          Redemption story, has a nice ring to it. Smart cookie, cresyd.

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                            cresyd RE: HillJ Jun 21, 2013 03:01 PM

                            If Kobe Bryant could make it through his legal situation and get back to a place where he has large endorsement deals - offensive language and being a poor employer just isn't enough to prevent her from finding a way back if she wants it.

                            I think the big question regarding whether or not she will come back is her age/health/interest. At 65, I could easily see her deciding after this kind of a situation to accept retirement from tv.

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                              monavano RE: cresyd Jun 21, 2013 03:03 PM

                              Michael Vick is another example. I don't know if Lance Armstrong can come back, and I think it's because he's so arrogant and unrepentant.

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                                HillJ RE: monavano Jun 21, 2013 03:12 PM

                                I think in all of sports Lance Armstrong is probably one of the few people on earth that won't recover. ever. Arrogant won him races. Champions aren't babies. Thinking you have power over other people to keep them silent (people who keep your lies going) ended his rein in the sport & every aspect of his very enviable life. No one lies down with a dog forever.

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                                  cresyd RE: monavano Jun 21, 2013 03:25 PM

                                  Chris Brown isn't exactly modest and he came back from a really egregious crime.

                                  With the comeback story, the most important part is being able to 'get back to doing what you do'. Vick and Bryant went back to playing their respective sports. Brown went back to making music. With Armstrong - I don't know what the possibility of him returning to athletics is given his age. However, before Jerry Springer became a talk show host - he was mayor of Cincinnati, and then had to resign due to paying for a prostitute with a private check.

                                  There are just so many examples of comebacks. What I could really see happening is for some slightly smaller cable network seeing an opportunity to hire Deen.

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                                    HillJ RE: cresyd Jun 21, 2013 03:57 PM

                                    See now I was thinking PD would take a back seat in favor of her son's careers, sorta like what she's been doing now..."calling IT in."

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                                      cresyd RE: HillJ Jun 22, 2013 12:03 AM

                                      I agree.

                                      My main point is that if she wants to come back, she'll be able. If she doesn't - it's not because there's absolutely no avenue for her to come back - but because she doesn't want to.

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                                  rasputina RE: cresyd Jun 22, 2013 06:28 AM

                                  Don't forget Mike Tyson. Some people sure don't seem to care that he is a convicted rapist.

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                                    monavano RE: rasputina Jun 22, 2013 06:47 AM

                                    Oh, he's a Thespian on Broadway now! People are peeing themselves over him like he's the second coming. I just can not get over how people are fawning over him.

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                              grampart RE: Just Visiting Jun 22, 2013 05:50 AM

                              "... Howard Stern or Don Imus, Shaquille O'Neal, Michael Jackson, Jesse Jackson, Mel Gibson...John Mayer, Clay Aiken..."

                              Throw in Paula Deen and I could not give less of a shit about any of them.

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                                HillJ RE: grampart Jun 22, 2013 05:57 AM

                                but thanks for playing along with us, gramp! the not give a shit club is pretty glued to the conversation. :)

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                                  JonParker RE: grampart Jun 22, 2013 08:56 AM

                                  What did Clay Aiken do?

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                                    ttoommyy RE: JonParker Jun 24, 2013 11:02 AM

                                    "What did Clay Aiken do?"

                                    Existed.

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                                HillJ RE: TrishUntrapped Jun 21, 2013 01:46 PM

                                Okay but TMZ isn't exactly my source for solid news. They edited footage from god knows what original source..then add their own music at the end. Gussied up for haters to keep on hatin'

                                The PD bashing before and after this latest headline will continue well into her lifetime.

                                I haven't seen PD at all recently, she has lost a great deal of weight since the last headline about her health and weight loss endorsements...which we all got churned up about back then.

                                Some folks just bring out the sharks in all of us. I don't believe PD is out for the count even now.

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                                  Njchicaa RE: HillJ Jun 21, 2013 01:53 PM

                                  It's on the Associated Press Twitter feed now too. https://twitter.com/AP/status/3481798...

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                                    monavano RE: Njchicaa Jun 21, 2013 01:56 PM

                                    Confirms FN will not renew her contract. Ouch. But you know what? They're just as culpable because I'm sure they knew of Deen's racism, but they've sat on it until she got caught.

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                                      Tom34 RE: monavano Jun 22, 2013 06:42 AM

                                      Given we are all human & therefore not perfect, its a safe bet FN knows a lot of negative things about most of its stars and other key behind the scenes people but choose to ignore them.

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                                        monavano RE: Tom34 Jun 22, 2013 06:46 AM

                                        Totally agree. I think Paula is sorry she's got caught and FN's hand was forced to act on what they already knew. It was just a matter of time.

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                                      HillJ RE: Njchicaa Jun 21, 2013 02:13 PM

                                      Oh I know the story has made the AP wire but posting a TMZ report flies in the face of farce reporting. I wouldn't go for any news through TMZ.

                                      Beyond that, it's just another day in high profile goofballs.

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                                        TrishUntrapped RE: HillJ Jun 21, 2013 03:38 PM

                                        Going to the original source for all this would lead to The National Enquirer, which stunningly has been right on more than a few big news breaking stories.

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                                          HillJ RE: TrishUntrapped Jun 21, 2013 03:55 PM

                                          Oh, I meant no slight on you TrishU, I'm just not a fan of tabloid newspapers or mags. They might break a story but the perspective is not my favorite way to learn about breaking news.

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                                            TrishUntrapped RE: HillJ Jun 21, 2013 03:59 PM

                                            Oh, I totally understand. You just never know sometimes. I didn't believe this all myself until I read all 109 pages of the actual deposition transcript.

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                                              HillJ RE: TrishUntrapped Jun 21, 2013 04:00 PM

                                              I saw your comment where you stated that you had. Props to ya--I wouldn't have.

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                                                ratgirlagogo RE: TrishUntrapped Jun 22, 2013 09:27 AM

                                                Yes, exactly. I (ahem) kind of skimmed it more than read it, so will limit my response to saying that her use/tolerance for the n-word is almost the least of the problems. It seems like she and her brother went out of their way to maintain a hostile, abusive workplace.

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                                                  kengk RE: ratgirlagogo Jun 22, 2013 09:38 AM

                                                  No, her idiot brother is what is most likely going to cause her to write a big check.

                                                  The n bomb (even news organizations can't bring themselves to spell it out) is what is causing this shit storm.

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                                                    Firegoat RE: kengk Jun 22, 2013 09:54 AM

                                                    Eater.com citing TMZ citing a source at FN says the problem wasn't the N bomb but how badly her PR team handled the situation.
                                                    http://eater.com/

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                                                      monavano RE: Firegoat Jun 22, 2013 09:57 AM

                                                      The postmortem analysis on the Today Show this morning was rather scathing. Race wasn't so much the issue as it was the perceived lack of sincerity and main cause of Paula's pained appearance being that she got caught, it it doesn't feel good.

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                                                        LindaWhit RE: monavano Jun 24, 2013 10:14 AM

                                                        Looks like she's finally going to appear on the Today Show this Wednesday:

                                                        http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06...

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                                                          monavano RE: LindaWhit Jun 24, 2013 11:03 AM

                                                          I saw that, and the Today Show hosts seemed to be very gentle about addressing it and would look forward to her interview and welcome her back.
                                                          But, 'ya never know what's going to happen once Matt sits down across from her.

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                                                            LindaWhit RE: monavano Jun 24, 2013 11:18 AM

                                                            Yeah, he and Al Roker were visibly ticked off she cancelled on them last week.

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                                                              monavano RE: LindaWhit Jun 24, 2013 11:51 AM

                                                              I noticed that too. They seemed to be more gentle today when addressing it. Empathetic even.
                                                              Maybe just luring her into the web, bwahaha.

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                                                                Firegoat RE: monavano Jun 24, 2013 11:52 AM

                                                                From what I read and recall she was always a good friend of that show and did a lot of demos etc. for them. I would like to think they would give her a fair shake.

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                                                                  monavano RE: Firegoat Jun 24, 2013 12:27 PM

                                                                  Right, she's made many, many appearances for cooking and even sort of co-hosting segments.

                                    3. monavano RE: TrishUntrapped Jun 21, 2013 01:53 PM

                                      I don't know if her tv career is over. She's survived a couple shit storms like Smithfield ham and keeping her diabetes secret whilst making glazed donut sandwiches.
                                      I think she'll be toast in many people's eyes but I just don't know if her empire will be downsized.
                                      No matter what, I'll never understand why on earth Deen is getting a museum!

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                                        Phaedrus RE: monavano Jun 21, 2013 02:03 PM

                                        I think she may be looking out for her boys. They both have their own shows on FN and they feature her prominently in the shows, with one always looking for her approval for his slimmed down spins of her recipes. How do you do that schtick without having her on?

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                                          monavano RE: Phaedrus Jun 21, 2013 02:06 PM

                                          I too think that Deen is protecting her boys' reputations. I'd think that the apple wouldn't fall far from the tree, but you never know.

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                                            cstumiller RE: monavano Jun 22, 2013 05:06 AM

                                            Yes, you never know and regardless of how one characterizes the attitudes of Ms. Deen toward others, I have a hard time accepting that the children, the apples, don't fall far from the tree and thus have similar attitudes.

                                            What would someone (it would seem justifiably in your world) assume if they judged President Obama based on the attitudes of his parents?

                                            Clearly young people have different views on gay marriage and even for older people word usage that might have been "acceptable" years ago is clearly not acceptable now.

                                            Do you really feel Jewish kids in school feel the same discrimination their parents may have felt?

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                                              HillJ RE: cstumiller Jun 22, 2013 05:59 AM

                                              Times change but parents and grandparents never let you forget what they went thru and so you grow up with that in your head even if you didn't live that experience. Plus, children are raised to praise their parents (elders) and with that comes what they believe to be true about life.

                                              I'm very opened minded and liberal compared to my family and that hasn't shut off their words in my head...I just work hard to have my own ideas.

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                                          Veggo RE: monavano Jun 21, 2013 02:05 PM

                                          Damage repair doesn't happen at microwave speed, it's crockpot speed. It will take time.

                                        3. TrishUntrapped RE: TrishUntrapped Jun 21, 2013 03:35 PM

                                          She's issued a second apology video because the first one failed miserably, and this one is much more sincere and heartfelt.

                                          http://www.tmz.com/2013/06/21/paula-d...

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                                            monavano RE: TrishUntrapped Jun 21, 2013 03:40 PM

                                            It seems like she's not ready to talk about it live, with her canceling on Matt Lauer this a.m.
                                            She's got to pull it together and just jump into the deep end, because a couple videos ain't cutting it.

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                                              Njchicaa RE: TrishUntrapped Jun 21, 2013 07:51 PM

                                              I don't think the 2nd one was any better than the first. She was upset and sorry for the pain she caused..... herself! She mentioned herself first! Then, while trying to make herself sound like she was an inclusive employer, she said that she has worked really hard for.... herself! The second video was even worse than the second, IMO.

                                              She won't be on FN for the immediate future which is fine with me. (or maybe she will with reruns that they own?)

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                                                monavano RE: Njchicaa Jun 21, 2013 07:55 PM

                                                Angry undertones in an apology do not ring authentic to me.

                                            2. Phaedrus RE: TrishUntrapped Jun 21, 2013 07:08 PM

                                              http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/3480720

                                              1. Firegoat RE: TrishUntrapped Jun 22, 2013 05:59 AM

                                                One of the Paula Deen support pages already has over 26k likes on FB.

                                                1. Firegoat RE: TrishUntrapped Jun 22, 2013 06:19 AM

                                                  I don't blame her for not going on the Today show with Matt Lauer. If I had a client embroiled in a lawsuit the last thing I'd be letting them do is go on national TV to be quizzed about it until the lawsuit is settled. Just common sense.

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                                                    monavano RE: Firegoat Jun 22, 2013 06:50 AM

                                                    Problem is, her people agreed to it, and they shouldn't have. It looks incredibly bad to no-show minutes before you're supposed to appear.
                                                    This debacle is being navigated poorly. Between the Today Show no-show and the Mulligan mea culpa video, Paula looks like she's being handled by Laurel and Hardy and The Three Stooges.

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                                                      Phaedrus RE: monavano Jun 22, 2013 08:44 AM

                                                      Or Amy and Sammy of Arizona.

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                                                        ratgirlagogo RE: Phaedrus Jun 22, 2013 09:29 AM

                                                        Ha! Well, aren't they shopping for a reality show? Why not a whole new Paula and Friends?

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                                                        LindaWhit RE: monavano Jun 23, 2013 07:43 AM

                                                        http://www.huffingtonpost.com/don-mcn...

                                                        "Paula's legal team flunked Risk Management 101. When they allowed Paula to give her deposition, they had to realize that the testimony would not be limited to her recipe for peanut butter pie."

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                                                          Firegoat RE: LindaWhit Jun 23, 2013 07:57 AM

                                                          I don't know what happened here, but I do know that there is only so much a legal team can do if you have a client who digs in their feet and refuses to go to mediation/arbitration and who refuses to consider settling, but instead wants their day in court. All you can do is give advice to your client. You can't make them take it.

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                                                            cresyd RE: Firegoat Jun 23, 2013 09:04 AM

                                                            Either Deen's team did not know how to explain the gravity of the situation (not necessarily legally speaking, but definitely PR wise), or Deen was really obstinate in taking solid legal/PR advice.

                                                            Personally, I think that this might be a case of hiring too many "yes men" - where there wasn't a business team surrounded her to properly explain the risks.

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                                                              JonParker RE: cresyd Jun 23, 2013 09:38 AM

                                                              I totally agree with that. It's hard to believe that a professional PR team would have botched this so badly. It really does seem like Deen insisted on having the final say over things she had no real knowledge of. I can't think of another explanation.

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                                                                Firegoat RE: JonParker Jun 23, 2013 10:05 AM

                                                                And again, questions asked in a deposition are not necessarily questions that can be asked in a trial if it goes to trial. And sometimes you just get a client who digs in and is convinced they are right and have done nothing wrong and all you can do is try to mitigate damages after the fact. Their clients might not have been completely truthful, or even thought that some of these things they would be questioned about would even come up. There are a lot of factors at play here.

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                                                                  JonParker RE: Firegoat Jun 23, 2013 10:42 AM

                                                                  But I wasn't referring to her legal team, I was referring to her PR team. Leaving Matt Lauer holding the bag after saying you'd appear and letting him promote it, changing "apology" videos that failed to address the issues, and then retreating from public view entirely -- this is not the way to quiet a controversy.

                                                                  Whether her legal team botched it or not, that ship had sailed. It's the job of her PR team to clean up the mess, and judging from the horrible job they did, it's my guess that Deen was somehow steering the ship when she shouldn't have been.

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                                                            cresyd RE: LindaWhit Jun 23, 2013 08:04 AM

                                                            That really sums up so much about this situation. Various legal issues that other FN stars have ended up have managed to avoid direct quotes such as these.

                                                            Paula's team had to have an idea of what the questions asked would be and what Paula would answer. If their feeling was that these answers wouldn't be a big deal - then it really does raise questions about their judgement.

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                                                              TrishUntrapped RE: cresyd Jun 23, 2013 08:32 AM

                                                              Had this been settled out of court nothing would have come of it. Lessons learned.

                                                      3. Firegoat RE: TrishUntrapped Jun 22, 2013 10:00 AM

                                                        As many of her fans that are supporting her on FB and other sites I would imagine whatever other network wanted to pick her up could make some decent money on it. I'm waiting hourly for the O! Network to make an offer.

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                                                          TrishUntrapped RE: Firegoat Jun 22, 2013 10:59 AM

                                                          I don't think we've heard the last of her... by a longshot.

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                                                            INDIANRIVERFL RE: Firegoat Jun 22, 2013 11:00 AM

                                                            Since I have yet to see her show, I obviously will take a pass on character judgements based on her on-screen persona.

                                                            I notice that colourful language and over the top consumption of various mind altering concoctions has done little to hurt Anthony Bourdain or Gordon Ramsay. They are entertaining on the internet.

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                                                              HillJ RE: INDIANRIVERFL Jun 22, 2013 12:44 PM

                                                              Valid point, IND.

                                                          2. Withnail42 RE: TrishUntrapped Jun 22, 2013 03:20 PM

                                                            It is an odd video.

                                                            A generic apology. One that could be used in any number of instances.

                                                            1. Phaedrus RE: TrishUntrapped Jun 25, 2013 05:19 AM

                                                              From Frank Bruni.

                                                              http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/25/opi...

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                                                                JoanN RE: Phaedrus Jun 25, 2013 05:27 AM

                                                                Excellent editorial. Bruni's got it exactly right.

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                                                                  LindaWhit RE: Phaedrus Jun 25, 2013 05:45 AM

                                                                  Absolutely perfect.

                                                                  Bruni pretty much says it all - from the "first strike" of her hawking the diabetes drug to her feeling she is above reproach, to her adult years postdating the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

                                                                  "...she’s a citizen of the world, traveling wide and far to peddle her wares. If she can leave Georgia for the sake of commerce, she can leave Georgia in the realm of consciousness."

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                                                                    LindaWhit RE: LindaWhit Jun 25, 2013 05:59 AM

                                                                    And regarding the comment re: her adulthood postdating the Civil Rights Act, a commenter on Bruni's piece says:

                                                                    "As a woman who is 60 and from the South, I can report that when I was 5 or 6, my mother had a conversation with me about why we in our house did not use "that word" even though almost everybody else around us seemed to. Undoubtedly, Ms. Deen's mother did not have that conversation with her. Anybody who thinks that the Civil Rights Act of 1964 changed her world is simply naive. It's not that she heard the "n-word" growing up, it's that in many circles, that's all she would have heard then and for many years thereafter. When she became famous, she moved from one culture to another one.

                                                                    So, the real question is: Once she became famous, why did she not realize that the rules she had known for 40+ years were actually wrong and hurtful to others? At a minimum why did she not at least recognize that the rules were now different? She's a cook with a talent for promoting herself. Neither of those qualities indicates that she is socially sophisticated."
                                                                    ~~~~~~~
                                                                    Very true.

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                                                                      Veggo RE: LindaWhit Jun 25, 2013 06:07 AM

                                                                      I would substitute "blind ignorance" for "willful obtuseness". It's interesting to observe how long it takes for some overachievers to self-destruct.

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                                                                    TrishUntrapped RE: Phaedrus Jun 25, 2013 06:26 AM

                                                                    Very eloquent and spot on Frank Bruni!

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                                                                      HillJ RE: Phaedrus Jun 25, 2013 06:53 AM

                                                                      See now I'm wondering why Bruni felt compelled to write it. While the words flow beautifully I don't see any reason for Bruni to even have a published opinion on the subject of PD.

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                                                                        JoanN RE: HillJ Jun 25, 2013 07:07 AM

                                                                        I believe having a published opinion on a food related topic is his job definition.

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                                                                          HillJ RE: JoanN Jun 25, 2013 07:10 AM

                                                                          and Bruni couldn't resist the topic of PD? Nothing else worthy of his opinion this week? When I think of Bruni, PD doesn't spring to mind.

                                                                          eta: Now this opinion I thought was interesting.
                                                                          http://www.google.com/webhp?source=se...

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                                                                            HillJ RE: HillJ Jun 25, 2013 07:21 AM

                                                                            http://gothamist.com/2011/08/25/frank...

                                                                            or

                                                                            http://www.grubstreet.com/2011/08/fra...

                                                                            turnabout? change of heart? confusing!

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                                                                              Withnail42 RE: HillJ Jun 25, 2013 08:34 AM

                                                                              Good catch!

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                                                                                HillJ RE: Withnail42 Jun 25, 2013 08:35 AM

                                                                                Gotta wonder about the phone call btwn AB and Bruni this week. Dude...

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                                                                                inaplasticcup RE: HillJ Jun 25, 2013 08:37 AM

                                                                                I think we can express positive and negative opinions about different issues concerning the same person without necessarily contradicting or making hypocrites of ourselves.

                                                                                (Not that I've never contradicted or made a hypocrite of myself. ;) )

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                                                                                  HillJ RE: inaplasticcup Jun 25, 2013 08:40 AM

                                                                                  Of course we can and do! Which is why this morning when I read this thread I found the irony about Bruni's words equally entertaining.

                                                                                  Turnabout is fair play...in all of us.

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                                                                                    Firegoat RE: HillJ Jun 25, 2013 08:49 AM

                                                                                    I think Bruni will do whatever Bruni thinks will get him some more media exposure. No surprise here.

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                                                                                      HillJ RE: Firegoat Jun 25, 2013 09:41 AM

                                                                                      I have no idea why...I just find it an interesting and small sidebar to a big shit storm that has been twisted every which way and has many more steps to go.

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                                                                                      JonParker RE: HillJ Jun 25, 2013 09:31 AM

                                                                                      I don't see any irony or hypocrisy here at all. The earlier dustup with Bourdain was about her cooking, this one was about her racial attitudes.

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                                                                                        HillJ RE: JonParker Jun 25, 2013 09:41 AM

                                                                                        First of all I didn't use the word hypocrisy.

                                                                                        Secondly, defending PD is the the common link; those who defended her then and those defending her now. Do I find turnabout ironic and an entertaining read-YES I do.

                                                                                        And whatever opinion any of us have or position we take on PD at the end of it all is the need to have an opinion in the first place.

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                                                                                          inaplasticcup RE: HillJ Jun 25, 2013 10:10 AM

                                                                                          Opinions are fun. What would this place be without all these opinions of ours?

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                                                                                            HillJ RE: inaplasticcup Jun 25, 2013 10:13 AM

                                                                                            Closed :) So understand inap that my points wasn't to make anyone feel bad..as if...it was to point out that public opinion turns on a dime...and this latest headline is no different..even Bruni had second thoughts.

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                                                                                              inaplasticcup RE: HillJ Jun 25, 2013 10:56 AM

                                                                                              I've never taken anything I've read from you to be intended to make people feel bad. :)

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                                                                                            JonParker RE: HillJ Jun 25, 2013 10:56 AM

                                                                                            But my point was that it's not a turnabout at all. Is voting for a politician because you like her stand on taxes but disagree with her stand on gay marriage ironic? I'd say not. Just because you don't think her food is something to castigate her over doesnt mean her racial views aren't.

                                                                                            People don't fit into molds, and even people who agree that they like or dislike PD may do so for very different reasons.

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                                                                                              HillJ RE: JonParker Jun 25, 2013 10:59 AM

                                                                                              And I don't disagree with anything you just wrote, JonP. In fact, stating your point of view and how it comes across may in fact be different or the same as mine own. So perhaps, just perhaps we are reacting to different pieces of one story in our own way.

                                                                                              I don't really concern myself with who's point is more valid.

                                                                                              When I read that Bruni wrote an OpEd that flies in the face of what he wrote before I was entertained.

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                                                                                            JoanN RE: JonParker Jun 25, 2013 12:56 PM

                                                                                            To say nothing of the fact that the original editorial was written in August of 2011, at least six months before she announced she was diabetic and, oh, by the way, you can buy the same drugs I do. Bruni clearly states that was "the first strike."

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                                                                                              HillJ RE: JoanN Jun 25, 2013 12:59 PM

                                                                                              I'm not the only individual pointing out that Bruni stood by PD in 2011 and now is slapping her wrist without mentioning his earlier support.

                                                                                              The devils in the details. Bruni must have had a long NY minute the minute that OpEd piece ran.

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                                                                                                HillJ RE: HillJ Jun 25, 2013 01:03 PM

                                                                                                http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/25/opi...

                                                                                                from 2011

                                                                                                depending on which voice you want to listen to, Bruni did or didn't do a "flip flop" on PD.

                                                                                                Bruni could have picked a diff topic this week!

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                                                                                                mcf RE: JoanN Jul 5, 2013 05:13 PM

                                                                                                But long after a number of chefs took her to task for supporting factory farming a la Smithfield.

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                                                                                          LindaWhit RE: HillJ Jun 25, 2013 10:18 AM

                                                                                          Anthony Bourdain just posted the following on Facebook:

                                                                                          Best birthday present yet:

                                                                                          http://eater.com/archives/2013/06/25/...

                                                                                          Thanks for remembering! #Sicily #vendetta

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                                                                                            HillJ RE: LindaWhit Jun 25, 2013 10:20 AM

                                                                                            Thank you for making my point for me, LW. Carries so much more weight when EATER says it, ha!

                                                                                            Eater: he just tears into her without ever mentioning that he was previously a Deen apologist.

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                                                                                              LindaWhit RE: HillJ Jun 25, 2013 10:54 AM

                                                                                              I wasn't looking to make anyone's point. I was just pointing out that AB's take on PD hadn't changed, and that he liked knowing that Bruni had to eat some crow. Slathered in lots of butter. :-)

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                                                                                                HillJ RE: LindaWhit Jun 25, 2013 10:58 AM

                                                                                                No, I thanked you for helping me make mine.

                                                                                                Many of us did....this was book club roundtable 101 last night @ HillJ place.

                                                                                2. Veggo RE: TrishUntrapped Jun 25, 2013 08:51 AM

                                                                                  I wonder who did her make up and hair? She looks like a poor embalming job.

                                                                                  1. Phaedrus RE: TrishUntrapped Jul 1, 2013 02:20 PM

                                                                                    http://aattp.org/hey-paula-deen-sympa...

                                                                                    1. Firegoat RE: TrishUntrapped Jul 2, 2013 06:40 AM

                                                                                      An interesting article in the Boston Globe focusing on Paula's "Bubba Problem"
                                                                                      http://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/co...

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                                                                                        monavano RE: Firegoat Jul 2, 2013 07:35 AM

                                                                                        Good article in that it's short and sweet, and gets to the point. This is so not about one offensive word, but the media put its spin on it and Paula just couldn't change the momentum and steer this thing in her favor.

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                                                                                          JonParker RE: monavano Jul 2, 2013 09:19 AM

                                                                                          I actually thought the article was pretty ridiculous. I'm really torn on this. I get that Deen is being pilloried in the press for using the N word, that probably 99 out of a hundred people believe that's the sole issue, and that yes, she's probably being treated unfairly.

                                                                                          The thing is, she deserves to be pilloried for her racial attitudes, which are appalling, even while her actual problem is not the one outlined in the media coverage. Making this about the N word is actually racist in and of itself, in that it inflames the racist belief held by some white people that they are the real victims of "political correctness run amok." Deen showed repeatedly that while she claimed to love certain black people, they were really objects to her. She fundamentally did not understand that they were humans with the same feelings, hopes and fears as her.

                                                                                          As for Lisa Jackson, her motivation in filing suit is irrelevant. The only question is whether or not there was a pervasive attitude of racial and sexual harrassment going on during her employment. Given PD's own admissions, yes, there was.

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                                                                                            monavano RE: JonParker Jul 2, 2013 09:41 AM

                                                                                            Well said, especially agree about the disconnect in Paula's head about how she really views black people.
                                                                                            When she paraded her black bodyguard onstage, it was the epitome of disrespect. He's a grown ass man, Paula!

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                                                                                              hueyishere RE: monavano Jul 2, 2013 10:53 PM

                                                                                              You know, the guy was pretty spineless in allowing that, heck I think I would have whacked her. Maybe some jail time but what the heck it would have been worth it.

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                                                                                                cresyd RE: hueyishere Jul 3, 2013 12:59 AM

                                                                                                I think so much of Paula's problems with all of this is her complete disconnect between herself in her family, amongst her friends, and as an employer.

                                                                                                She was clearly treating her bodyguard like her friend - and maybe they do have a very friendly employer/employee relationship - but she is his boss. And to see someone treat an employee like that was painful. Simiarly, she and her brother are in a business together. If her brother is behaving as a horrible manager - to include physically shaking an employee - that's a business issue separate from whatever family dynamic is there.

                                                                                                I have friends who I will joke with in ways that I would never do at work or with work colleagues - or even video and think "wouldn't this be awesome to have out there on Youtube". In addition to her views on race, one of her most outdated perspectives is that it's ok as an employer to completely blur all the lines between friends and family.

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                                                                                                  hueyishere RE: cresyd Jul 3, 2013 07:08 PM

                                                                                                  As I see it, it was a public putdown, I don't treat a f riend like that so no dice. he allowed himself to be humilated in front of the public and I would bet that she makes those kind of comments in private. I think he needs a job and he takes her cr** a sort of modern day slavery.

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                                                                                                    cresyd RE: hueyishere Jul 3, 2013 11:06 PM

                                                                                                    To me it did not seem like friends interacting. But I'm positive there are things I do/say to my friends, that to an outsider would not seem friendly and could potentially seem cruel. And while he may need the job, I think equating it to modern day slavery is really off the mark given that there are millions of people around the world working in slavery in the classic definition.

                                                                                                    My problem with that scene though is that there was no sense of space, place, or position. I don't know her relationship with her bodyguard beyond that video. But, I do know that I disapprove of an employer treating an employee that way. And that her overall comments about race, and the history of American slavery in that video made me cringe.

                                                                                                    Going back to my original point, she just doesn't get the difference between public space and private space. Her "natural" persona regarding food has made her millions. Her "natural" persona regarding race, slavery, American history won't. If she had that conversation on camera with a man who was a genuine peer (not just age, but also status, celebrity,power) - it might not have been my favorite to watch, but I'd be able to believe that they're friends. Instead of her bodyguard, had a variation of that exchange happened with Al Sharpton, I would believe that Sharpton would not tolerate anything he wasn't comfortable with. But when it's her employee - I don't care how she describes their relationship - I can't escape the obvious power imbalance.

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                                                                                              cresyd RE: JonParker Jul 2, 2013 10:41 AM

                                                                                              Very well said. The other thing this reminds me of is when Chris Rock would talk about rich vs wealthy (basketball players are rich, owners are wealthy). Paula Deen is rich - the companies that she had deals with are wealthy.

                                                                                              Walmart, Target - they have plenty of their own image problems. Being tied to Deen is not a risk they'll tolerate when any negative attention they'd garner based on supporting her might result in people highlighting any other issues that can be criticized.

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                                                                                                Firegoat RE: cresyd Jul 2, 2013 10:50 AM

                                                                                                Looks like Lisa Jackson plans on sueing on of the Deen boys next.
                                                                                                http://www.lipstickalley.com/f15/paul...

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                                                                                                  JonParker RE: cresyd Jul 2, 2013 12:06 PM

                                                                                                  I have not heard that Chris Rock bit, but it sounds fantastic.

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                                                                                                    cresyd RE: JonParker Jul 2, 2013 09:33 PM

                                                                                                    I think it's part of his older routine - but slander/offense issues aside, I do think it's also very important to keep in mind how much money is actually being talked about. Tiger Woods basically broke no laws, and other than a divorce had no legal issues. However, Gillet and some other sponsors similarly dropped him because of the scandal and the image.

                                                                                                    Moreover, Deen's legal troubles aren't over. If I was Ballantine especially my first phone call would involve the question "When are you settling this lawsuit to make it go away as fast as possible?" Now the son's are being sued for slander, and Deen's legal team is using the Prop 8 ruling to try and dismiss the lawsuit. Which legally speaking I have no clue what that means - but PR wise it does mean that various media sites are going to continue running all the details of the lawsuit.

                                                                                                    What corporation that handles millions of dollars (if not billions) in revenue every year would want to stand by this?

                                                                                          2. Firegoat RE: TrishUntrapped Jul 4, 2013 05:14 AM

                                                                                            I think it is interesting that in the wake of the Paula Deen scandal at least two of the "Big Brother" contestants that used racial and/or homophobic slurs on their 24/7 live feed have been fired from their real jobs. (They just don't know it yet.)

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                                                                                              LindaWhit RE: Firegoat Jul 4, 2013 05:47 AM

                                                                                              Wow. I just went and read what a few of them have said in the 24/7 live online feed. Just plain wow.

                                                                                              Will be a huge surprise for them to find out they've been fired once they're kicked out.

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                                                                                                Firegoat RE: LindaWhit Jul 4, 2013 07:23 AM

                                                                                                I'm not sure what part of the "cameras are on 24/7" contract that they didn't get.

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                                                                                                  Tom34 RE: Firegoat Jul 4, 2013 07:52 PM

                                                                                                  I think we should go back to 6 local free channels and watch Mr.Rogers & Captain Noah with a nightcap of the Walton's saying good night to each other. Far less drama.

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                                                                                                    monavano RE: Tom34 Jul 5, 2013 07:49 AM

                                                                                                    ...from Philly??

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                                                                                                Pookipichu RE: Firegoat Jul 5, 2013 07:58 AM

                                                                                                Frankly the most disheartening aspect of the Paula Deen scandal is that thousands and thousands of her fans have displayed thinly veiled racism. It's not Paula Deen, it's the fact that there are thousands of Paula Deens, only they aren't public figures. I think that the Big Brother cast is indicative of that.

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                                                                                                  Firegoat RE: Pookipichu Jul 5, 2013 08:19 AM

                                                                                                  It was mentioned on some site that they thought the CBS production people admonished all of them about their language... That apparently lasted about 12 hours. I was up late with a dog that hates fireworks last night and watched some of the live feeds online (stuff they'll never show on TV) ... and no group is safe from these nasty individuals. Blacks, Asians, females, gays ... It makes me wonder how much the host, Julie Chen, knows about all the very anti-Asian things being said inside the house.

                                                                                              3. LindaWhit RE: TrishUntrapped Jul 5, 2013 04:12 PM

                                                                                                Paula Deen has just sacked her her agent - who helped make her a FN star:

                                                                                                http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/entertain...

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                                                                                                  TrishUntrapped RE: LindaWhit Jul 5, 2013 05:06 PM

                                                                                                  She's cleaning house. New PR person and new agent. Next up she should can her attorney.

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                                                                                                    mcf RE: TrishUntrapped Jul 5, 2013 05:17 PM

                                                                                                    She needs a new brother and better heads in her management team.

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                                                                                                      Tom34 RE: mcf Jul 5, 2013 05:38 PM

                                                                                                      Yeah, it would appear that is where the most serious culpability lies.

                                                                                                2. Withnail42 RE: TrishUntrapped Jul 5, 2013 07:14 PM

                                                                                                  I have a question for the lawyers here on the board:

                                                                                                  I am curious as to how a deposition can be released. I would have thought that it would have had to remain confidential until the trial?

                                                                                                  1. Phaedrus RE: TrishUntrapped Jul 5, 2013 11:23 PM

                                                                                                    This seems like the most simple and objective reportage out there.

                                                                                                    http://www.businessweek.com/articles/...

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                                                                                                      JonParker RE: Phaedrus Jul 6, 2013 12:19 AM

                                                                                                      Good article. I've read a lot of internet controversy this week over this, and there's a few lessons I've learned.

                                                                                                      First is that there's a deep strain of racial resentment in America that goes very deep, and it seems like Deen has been a lightning rod for it. She's had both supporters and detractors who never had any real interest in Deen or her cooking who have latched on to this as a vehicle for their own views on race. I've heard all sorts of bizarre ideas floated, including the idea that if a racial epithet is wrong for the people hurling it, it's wrong for the targets. Until and unless white people truly confront the facts that growing up black in this country is a very different experience than growing up white, and that no, the rules are not the same, we'll continue to see this kind of thing erupt.

                                                                                                      It's made me very sad.

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                                                                                                        KrumTx RE: JonParker Jul 6, 2013 04:46 AM

                                                                                                        "She could pay Jackson $1.25 million or face a lawsuit."

                                                                                                        Good grief. Don't look now but I just felt a tinge of sympathy for Paula Deen.

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                                                                                                        Tom34 RE: Phaedrus Jul 6, 2013 06:28 AM

                                                                                                        Very good article that seems to concentrate more on the "Facts" as they are known at this point rather than smut.

                                                                                                        Interestingly enough it indicates she was a very good sister who came to her brothers rescue and like is often the case with family, had a difficult time coming to terms with and dealing with her brother's deep personal short comings. What I did NOT get out of the article is that she herself is a racist. I guess thats why so many Black people have come out in her support. Too bad so many people jumped on the bandwagon that she was. Maybe they need to look in the mirror as likely their reflection is not as perfect as they believe it to be.

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                                                                                                          monavano RE: Tom34 Jul 6, 2013 08:10 AM

                                                                                                          I've thought Bubba is the source of the problem since the story broke. The crap thing is that inasmuch as Paula is a good older sister, Bubba has never had to stand on his own two feet and face the music, at least not since Paula became a very wealthy woman.

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                                                                                                            Tom34 RE: monavano Jul 6, 2013 09:19 AM

                                                                                                            Its a shame that because of a few Bubba's some posters paint the whole country as being the same way. By and large compared to the rest of the world we are among the most tolerant and generous people in the world which is probably one of the reason more people come here than leave.

                                                                                                            Your right about Paula being a crutch. Sometimes tough love has its place. Unfortunately, it often breaks one's heart to administer it.

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                                                                                                              monavano RE: Tom34 Jul 6, 2013 09:25 AM

                                                                                                              The other thing that bugs me is that I haven't heard one quote from Bubba. Has anyone read or seen any sort of defense of Paula coming from him, or Bubba taking responsibility for his part in this?
                                                                                                              Perhaps he's really lawyered up and has been told to zip his lip. I don't know.
                                                                                                              It just seems like he's the only one not doing any 'splaining.

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                                                                                                                Tom34 RE: monavano Jul 7, 2013 06:03 AM

                                                                                                                I guess they feel he has said and done enough already and put a gag in his mouth. With so many accusations spanning such a long period of time a credible apology would probable be a tough sell.

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                                                                                                                  LindaWhit RE: Tom34 Jul 7, 2013 06:48 AM

                                                                                                                  I don't think Bubba put a gag order on himself, but rather, others (lawyers and his sister) did it to him. I don't think he has the wherewithal to do so himself, if even half of the accusations against him are true.

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                                                                                                          cresyd RE: Phaedrus Jul 6, 2013 07:01 AM

                                                                                                          Good article summing up a lot of the points.

                                                                                                          To me a huge part of this remains Deen's inability to see her brother as a business liability. I don't think I could ever be in a position where I had to fire my brother - but then I'm also not responsible for a multi-million dollar corporation.

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                                                                                                            Tom34 RE: cresyd Jul 6, 2013 07:43 AM

                                                                                                            Countless corporate problems can be attributed to family relationships / loyalties which is why many corporations strongly discourage such relationships.

                                                                                                            Another big problem is human nature being what it is, employees eagerly participate in workplace gossip but rarely step forward and put their careers on the line being an official whistler blower against their boss let alone a boss who is also an owner. This is where a "bottom up" anonymous evaluation program can bring many ugly things to light which must then be dealt with as their is now a paper trail.

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                                                                                                            LindaWhit RE: Phaedrus Jul 6, 2013 07:44 AM

                                                                                                            I have to say I broke out laughing at the graphic. :D

                                                                                                            And a very good article. She had no hand in the day-to-day management of Bubba's, but also refused to stop her brother from doing whatever he wanted, including theft, porn, harassing employees.

                                                                                                            "Two top managers and an outside human resources firm all recommended that Hiers be removed from such involvement, according to court documents from the lawsuit. "

                                                                                                            She REFUSED to remove him from what he was doing. She had management and outside consultants telling her he was a liability, and she refused to stop him. It's a tacit approval for letting him do whatever he wanted.

                                                                                                            And I just don't get this part: "Paula Deen-branded paraphernalia, including key chains, spatulas, lobster pots, muffin toasters, chopping blocks, pig-shape cutting boards, entertainment consoles, scented candles, chicken parts, smoked hams, and salad-dressing mixers. Her name was shorthand not just for Southern comfort but for comfort in general."

                                                                                                            How are mattresses, key chains and salad dressing mixers "comfort in general"? It was marketing at its 110% worst - slap a famous name on anything, and it will sell.

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                                                                                                              KrumTx RE: LindaWhit Jul 6, 2013 08:15 AM

                                                                                                              My brother and I own a business together. When I see him for the fireworks show tonight, he gets a giant hug whether he likes it or not:)

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                                                                                                                monavano RE: LindaWhit Jul 6, 2013 08:19 AM

                                                                                                                Paula is selling a lifestyle, as is Ina Garten, as is Bobby Flay, as is Giada and on and on.
                                                                                                                Of course any TV personality should consider endorsements and product lines. They work very hard to create a brand, and then they sell it.
                                                                                                                What does Giada's cooking have to do with hair color? The luxury of her hair is a facet of her luxurious, sun-kissed lifestyle in CA.
                                                                                                                People in general can't afford the lifestyles of the rich and famous, but they can buy a little piece of it.

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                                                                                                                  LindaWhit RE: monavano Jul 6, 2013 08:37 AM

                                                                                                                  "People in general can't afford the lifestyles of the rich and famous, but they can buy a little piece of it."

                                                                                                                  Or think they are. When they're not really doing so.

                                                                                                                  And I don't disagree with you re: "selling a lifestyle" - I just don't buy into it, monovano, as I've said. I don't have Paula, Giada, Rachael, or Bobby in my house. The ONLY Food Network item I have are some bright yellow dish towels my mother bought me. And she said "I know you don't watch the Food Network, but you did say you wanted solid colored bright yellow towels, and these do seem nice!" and they were pretty good.

                                                                                                                  Perhaps if I know that Jacques Pepin uses a certain brand of pan or knife, but doesn't make money from having his name on that product, THOSE are the items I might consider buying if they're within my price range and I like/want the item.

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                                                                                                                    Firegoat RE: LindaWhit Jul 6, 2013 08:45 AM

                                                                                                                    I have some Martha Stewart bath towels that are probably 7 years old at least and I still like them the best. and a George Foreman grill for when I go on low carb diets. Other than that just some celebrity chef cookbooks. A couple of Paula Deen's that were garage sale $1 buys, a couple of Emeril's (that I actually use) and a Gordon Ramsay that I use. Had a Rachael Ray as a gift.... it got donated after I read it and found no use for it.

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                                                                                                                      monavano RE: LindaWhit Jul 6, 2013 09:09 AM

                                                                                                                      Or think they are. When they're not really doing so.
                                                                                                                      ******
                                                                                                                      And that's all that really matters in the end.

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                                                                                                                    Tom34 RE: LindaWhit Jul 6, 2013 09:10 AM

                                                                                                                    I only briefly read the article this morning with my first cup of coffee but I seem to recall most of the official notice of her brothers wrong doing from top management and outside human resources people came after the 1st "BLACKMAIL" communication was received. A better approach would have been to have annual work place harassment training with official channels to report such behavior and progressive counseling & discipline for those who engage in such behavior. Usually for a boss to engage in such behavior he/she has a selective audience that shows approval and engages in the same behavior as well which compounds the problem for the victim's of such behavior.

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                                                                                                                      LindaWhit RE: Tom34 Jul 6, 2013 09:58 AM

                                                                                                                      Bubba to have instituted harassment training with official channels to report it. Right. Highly unlikely, considering the harassment seems to have been stemming from him. I suspect the staff members didn't approve, but dealt with it to keep their jobs.

                                                                                                                      And yeah, the letter from Wolff was probably not the best way to start out, but the fact PD, as a 51% owner of PD Enterprises, still refused to remove Bubba from responsibility after being informed by outside management consultants and just let him do what he wanted shows a complete lack of regard for anyone other than her own brother. She chose to be blind to his alleged actions.

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                                                                                                                        monavano RE: LindaWhit Jul 6, 2013 10:45 AM

                                                                                                                        From what I read, I got the impression that Paula "ran interference" for Bubba's Bubba-ing. She'd have the offended party come over to her home for a bit of "massaging" and happy everyone up.
                                                                                                                        Like an audience with the Pope, or the Queen ;-)

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                                                                                                                          LindaWhit RE: monavano Jul 6, 2013 12:13 PM

                                                                                                                          Exactly. A little pat on the head, and everyone would be happy.

                                                                                                                          Except NOT.

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                                                                                                                          Tom34 RE: LindaWhit Jul 7, 2013 06:58 AM

                                                                                                                          My point wasn't that harassment training would be administered and monitored by Bubba. I was referring to an H/R consulting company where all employees would receive documented training, could make both official & anonymous complaints (365) & the employees would be required to sign off whether they felt there was workplace harassment taking place or not semi-annually. This protects the employee and the company. It also forces the company officers to take the matter seriously as the records are a double edged sword.

                                                                                                                          I agree 100% that Paula can not deflect blame once she was officially notified of Bubba's behavior. I think often times H/R gets pushed aside because people don't understand the laws or the importance of complying with them and think a home grown remedy like Monavano sites below is acceptable.

                                                                                                                          One outcome I feel confident predicting is this saga will most certainly be covered in length in H/R textbooks & probably earn an honorable mention in Corporate Governance & Responsibility text books.

                                                                                                                  3. Firegoat RE: TrishUntrapped Jul 6, 2013 04:04 AM

                                                                                                                    Arrest made in extortion plot against Paula Deen
                                                                                                                    http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/y...

                                                                                                                    1. Firegoat RE: TrishUntrapped Jul 6, 2013 05:45 AM

                                                                                                                      Here's an article with a lot more information about the man arrested for trying to extort Paula Deen.
                                                                                                                      http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime...

                                                                                                                      1. coney with everything RE: TrishUntrapped Jul 10, 2013 04:42 AM

                                                                                                                        back before Keith Olbermann went batshit crazy, he used to have an Apology Hall of Fame everytime some famous person had to apologize for something...Jimmy Swaggart, Janet Jackson, Bill Clinton, Bill O'Reilly, Kobe Bryant...

                                                                                                                        PD would have totally made the HOF with this video.

                                                                                                                        1. Firegoat RE: TrishUntrapped Jul 12, 2013 04:55 AM

                                                                                                                          Now Paula has a new attorney. Finally.
                                                                                                                          http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/pe...

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                                                                                                                            LindaWhit RE: Firegoat Jul 12, 2013 05:31 AM

                                                                                                                            "According to the Morgan Lewis website, Speights specializes in defending clients in employment discrimination cases and consulting clients on best practices in corporate diversity."
                                                                                                                            ~~~~~~~~~~

                                                                                                                            One would think that PD Enterprises should have already had a hand on the latter part of that specialty.

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                                                                                                                              Withnail42 RE: Firegoat Jul 12, 2013 09:12 AM

                                                                                                                              Probably a wise move since the things did not seem to be working out too well.

                                                                                                                              Although I am curious as to people's reaction when they see her new lawyer.

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                                                                                                                              jarona RE: TrishUntrapped Jul 12, 2013 11:21 AM

                                                                                                                              Been out of the country--and actually heard about this when I was gone. First of all, I'm not a Paula Deen fan by any means. I just think she has, over the years, become a cartoonish version of the woman she started out to be. That being said, no matter what my feelings are about her. She said a word that she should not have said. Every day, thousands--or even millions of people say things they should not--whether it is in anger, or said without thinking..or whatever reason. I've also heard many people of color use the n word--and I think it is just as disgusting a word no matter WHO says it. Nobody owns the rights to that word--I place it up there with the word "stupid". She apologized. Move on. All these self-righteous corporate people are more "afraid" of the outcome in sales rather than the reason she used the word. I cannot judge what comes out of others' mouths.

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                                                                                                                                Pookipichu RE: jarona Jul 12, 2013 01:59 PM

                                                                                                                                It's not about the N-word, that's only one piece of the picture. It's about her brother creating a hostile and racist workplace and her condoning it and lending her celebrity to it.

                                                                                                                                It doesn't matter if you are a fan or not a fan of Paula Deen, she doesn't need you to defend her. She is a multi-multi millionaire and if she never made another penny she could still have all the "slave plantation weddings" she wants for the next century. The fact of the matter is that people are outraged for the right reasons, that a person with power and influence, in this day and age still allows her business to be run in a way that is demeaning to black people. Don't worry though, corporations only care bout racism as much as the general populace cares, meaning after a year or two, she will be paid to endorse products and shows again.

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                                                                                                                                  Roland Parker RE: Pookipichu Jul 14, 2013 04:15 AM

                                                                                                                                  None of us know the exact reason for why Paula lost her endorsements and was kicked off the Food Network. The N word or her brother's business? The companies aren't telling us and they will never let us know.

                                                                                                                                  As it is I'm inclined to go with the N word as corporate America is much more concerned with protecting the brand image than anything else. Goodness knows there are too many poorly run operators, suppliers, marketers all with questionable ethics that never get looked up. Too many major corporations have sweatshop suppliers in China or other third world countries and few people bat an eye at the working conditions in those places and that much of our clothes are made by people working in near slavery conditions. How many people are boycotting Apple as some of its products are made under questionable circumstances?

                                                                                                                                  If Paula had never admitted usage of the N word would have she still lost her shows and endorsements? Would have Bubba's restaurant even made national news beyond a small article buried in the back pages of a newspaper? Would people be upset at Paula talking about a plantation style wedding when "plantation" is commonly found as part of hotel/resort names, architectural house plans books and even interior decoration? Famous people are sued all the time for so many reasons. It's likely that people would have shrugged and forgot about it.

                                                                                                                                  But it was the N word that really caught people's attentions. The corporate honchos at Smithfield and Walmart and other big companies are more worried about their brand image and losing potential shoppers upset at Paula's usage of the word, which is a more realistic concern than companies being upset at Paula's brother's ethically dubious and quite likely illegal behavior. Paula may have funded the restaurant and may be guilty for overlooking her brother's behavior but as long as she herself wasn't associated directly with using the N word or fostering a racist environment, it's likely she would have only received an admonishment from her biggest sponsors to clean up Bubba's mess as soon as possible. Fairly or not, we have established the N word as a point of no return in the racially sensitive, modern day US and as Paula admitted to crossing that line, no matter how many years ago, there was no forgiveness.

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                                                                                                                                    Tom34 RE: Roland Parker Jul 14, 2013 05:09 AM

                                                                                                                                    Smut sells and more and more our media relies on it to garner attention.

                                                                                                                              2. Firegoat RE: TrishUntrapped Jul 16, 2013 09:34 AM

                                                                                                                                A small victory for Paula's new legal team (in addition to the FBI arresting the guy accused of extorting her)

                                                                                                                                http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/artic...

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                                                                                                                                  Tom34 RE: Firegoat Jul 16, 2013 04:52 PM

                                                                                                                                  When I look at the donations & charity work Paula has supported over the years I have to think she is a good person, maybe a little too good given how she deals with her brother. I really hope she overcomes this mess. As for her brother, if I had a pill to cure whats wrong with him I could retire tomorrow.

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                                                                                                                                    mcf RE: Tom34 Jul 16, 2013 05:05 PM

                                                                                                                                    She may love her brother and delude herself that she's helping him, but in fact, the "way she deals with her brother" is to allow him to abuse other people under her name and authority.

                                                                                                                                    That makes her a sap for him, maybe, but not a good person.

                                                                                                                                    She may intend to be one, but she's greedy, dishonest (Victoza, anyone) and content to let shit happen to other folks.

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                                                                                                                                      Tom34 RE: mcf Jul 16, 2013 05:39 PM

                                                                                                                                      Kinda sounds like parents who enable their kids to focus on things like obtaining drugs because they provide the rest of life's necessities. Hope I am never in that situation.

                                                                                                                                      Good person: Lot of different perspectives on what constitutes a good person. Also a whole lot easier to judge others than oneself.

                                                                                                                                      Greed is part of human nature. Without it we would still be living in caves. As for letting shit happen, well, its surprising what lengths folks will go to in an effort to correct the mistakes of loved ones.

                                                                                                                                      Let shit happen to other folks: Many folks are extremely upset that we dropped 2 atomic bombs on 2 of Japan's largest cities. My dad, who managed to stay alive during the island hopping campaign was in the Pacific training to invade the main land of Japan & I can't tell you how much he supported Truman's decision.

                                                                                                                                2. Firegoat RE: TrishUntrapped Jul 17, 2013 05:27 AM

                                                                                                                                  Paula fans have organized a mail in butter wrapper campaign in support of Paula

                                                                                                                                  http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/17/living/...

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                                                                                                                                    Pookipichu RE: Firegoat Jul 17, 2013 08:25 AM

                                                                                                                                    I am continually baffled by Paula Deen fans: "he says. "My mom probably used that word and she wasn't a racist.""

                                                                                                                                    It's as if they are completely ignoring the allegations in the lawsuit and have enshrined this butter peddling opportunist as the Earth Mother.

                                                                                                                                    The truth will come out and IF the allegations are true, it's deeply saddening that in this modern day, there could be a Jim Crow style business in operation with her knowledge. Not just saddening, appalling.

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                                                                                                                                      Tom34 RE: Pookipichu Jul 17, 2013 09:03 AM

                                                                                                                                      Oh, I don't think she is mother earth or Mother Teresa for that matter. I do know that anybody can allege anything, and when "coached" by the law firm of (DoWe / SueThem / AndHow), who are paid a % of the financial award, things get twisted pretty fierce to say the least and anyone in the field will tell you that. And lets not forget the initial "Blackmail" attempt by one of the key accusers.

                                                                                                                                      "Jim Crow style business" - That's a pretty serious allegation. Interestingly enough though, we all prefer to look the other way when illegals in the kitchens are treated like slaves and paid next to nothing so that "we", who live like royalty compared to "them", can continue to enjoy a staple meal like chicken parm with all the sides for the ridiculously low price of $12.99.

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                                                                                                                                        mcf RE: Tom34 Jul 17, 2013 09:04 AM

                                                                                                                                        " Interestingly enough though, we all prefer to look the other way when illegals in the kitchens are treated like slaves and paid next to nothing so that "we", who live like royalty compared to "them", can continue to enjoy a staple meal like chicken parm with all the sides for the ridiculously low price of $12.99."

                                                                                                                                        Speak for yourself.

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                                                                                                                                          Tom34 RE: mcf Jul 17, 2013 09:20 AM

                                                                                                                                          OK, insert, "with exceptions that number so few no statistical model could measure them", we all prefer................

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                                                                                                                                          Pookipichu RE: Tom34 Jul 17, 2013 09:39 AM

                                                                                                                                          You are correct, the allegations IN the lawsuit are pretty serious. Separate bathrooms, separate egress, not being allowed to work FOH...

                                                                                                                                          And regarding illegal immigration, you're wrong if you think that people don't care. Many people are not educated on the issue and/or powerless to do anything about it. We don't know where our food comes from anymore, thousands and thousands of mom and pop farms across the country have folded over the past 60 years and big AG corps have replaced them. Consolidation in the meat industry has been dramatic. Unionized meat processors have been replaced by illegal immigrants. Do you boycott meat, do you grow your own produce? Change has to come from the top down on this issue. There is systematic and concerted efforts to keep the public uninformed, to frighten and confuse. E.g. if we get rid of illegal immigrants tomatoes will cost $15 a pound. But all of this is a completely separate issue. We're talking income inequality, corporate corruption and virtual serfdom vs. racially motivated, hostile work environment.

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                                                                                                                                            Tom34 RE: Pookipichu Jul 17, 2013 10:14 AM

                                                                                                                                            I was keeping it to what goes on within restaurants as a restaurant is allegedly where the allegations against Paula took place and with the exception of chains, restaurants are owned locally, often by neighbors.

                                                                                                                                            And the allegations are serious, but none the less at this point in time they are nothing more than allegations.

                                                                                                                                            And for the record, if these allegations are true and "credible" witnesses come forward and state that Paula was substantially aware of them and did nothing, no one will be a harsher critic than me. Having said that, during my lifetime, I have seen just as many false allegations as true ones, especially when at the end of the allegation there is a pot of gold.

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