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Jun 19, 2013 01:18 PM

Occasional Treat?

Once I year on vacation I visit a stand known for its home-made ice cream. Since I am now seriously watching carbs and sugar, I'm wondering if I'd be better off with a small serving of regular ice cream, sugar-free ice cream, or fruit-based sorbet (no sugar-free offered).

Thanks and any advice, gratefully accepted, as always.

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  1. When I used to give myself the rare ice cream treat off plan, it was always all the fat, regular sugar. I think if you are mostly on plan and you adjust the rest of your day to account for it, you use portion control and enjoy the heck out of every bit.

    When I go off plan, it's for the good stuff. :-)

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    1. re: mcf

      I agree. If it's a treat, then you should splurge on the very best. Once a year is not going to affect your overall carb/sugar level. Enjoy!

      1. re: Kalivs

        Again, thanks all. Truth be told, I don't need a lot of encouragement to enjoy the good stuff! I did wonder, though, if the sorbet (which is also good) would make any significant difference.

        1. re: Teddybear

          The one with the most protein and fat and least sugar is going to be the easiest to get away with. But if it's a one time thing, the one you like the most is the way to go. :-)

    2. If you're only going there once a year, get whatever appeals to you the most. There's no point in ruining an anticipated once-a-year treat by worrying about the calorie count.

      1. Does the sugar free one contain maltitol? Maltitol can cause gas, bloating, and/or diarrhea. I don't have an issue with it, but everyone is different.

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        1. re: kathryn

          I enjoyed the So Delicious "no sugar added" coconut milk frozen dessert, but, I was *full* of gas after eating it. I guess it was the erythritol.

          I don't buy any processed foods containing sugar anymore, and make my own salad dressing and condiments. However, the one exception is a good ice cream or gelato as an occasional treat.

          1. re: johnseberg

            Thanks all -- I was tending toward the full fat as I usually steer clear of "sugar free" products -- but it's my blood glucose, not calories that concern me.

            I have no idea what's in their products, as they don't post nutritional info. But I do know the ice cream tastes good!

            1. re: Teddybear

              If you can take a walk within 30 minutes of eating it, you'll blunt a blood sugar rise, too. Doesn't make it risk free, but it prevents a spike.

                1. re: Teddybear

                  I once dropped my glucose 100 points in ten minutes on a treadmill. Using large muscles really helps a lot. Stairs are great, too. Start at about the 30 minute mark, to prevent the rise and to be walking at its typical onset.

                  1. re: mcf

                    I'll keep that in mind at Thanksgiving!

                    1. re: mcf

                      Just experimented with a normal-sized piece of cantaloupe. BG 81 when I started -- took a brisk walk to the gym, spent 35 minutes on the elliptical machine, and now a little over an hour later I'm at 75. Cool beans!

                      1. re: mcf

                        Good advice mcf.

                        Exercise can also cause a rise in blood glucose if your bg is elevated when you start your exercise or if you do some intense and strenuous strength/cardio training. So, it's always good to test right before exercise. If it's over 200+ it's good to proceed with caution.

                        1. re: lynnlato

                          That's the result of what some folks inelegantly call a "liver dump." Cortisol is raised by exercise, and cortisol raises blood glucose in anticipation of work, activity or stressors. The liver will then release as much glucose as the body typically requires for activity.

                          But in those who don't typically run high bg, it doesn't happen. The liver dumps about as much glucose as your body is accustomed to running on, and if you're usually level and at normal numbers, for a type 2, that's not a problem; it's a trickle, not a dump.

                          Which is even more critically important based upon this article I just came upon today:


                          1. re: mcf

                            Unfortunately, not everyone is tightly controlled and most folks have occasional highs and if they also exercise, there is a pretty good chance that it will/could happen.

                            1. re: lynnlato

                              In 95% of diabetics (type 2), an occasional high does not prime the body for liver dumps.

                              I live it, have occasional spikes, never get them, even though I am often active for hours before eating early in the day, prime time for liver dumps, typically. Cells don't become so reprogrammed that they start signaling for much higher glucose all day from the occasional spike. They're still programmed to run on what's usually available.

                              1. re: mcf

                                From what I understand, strenuous exercise (i.e. hardcore strength training or serious cardio sessions) are triggers.

                                1. re: lynnlato

                                  It triggers glucose release, but not a spike in bg if one is typically in good control. Stream vs. dump, so bg stays level and adequate vs. spikey then low, if that makes sense.

                                  Here's another article that makes the case for maintaining level glucose numbers rather than variable as a health maintenance strategy, rather than cycles of liver dumps and troughs:


                                  1. re: mcf

                                    Yes I know, but my point was that if a person goes into exercise with an elevated bg and then they trigger a dump on top of that that will raise their bg significantly... which is what I said in my initial post.

                                    It's just one of those simple facts that some folks with diabetes are unaware of which is why I pointed it out.

                                    1. re: lynnlato

                                      I know exactly what you're saying and I know it happens a lot to folks who eat the way the ADA says to.

                                      Never heard of it happening to a tightly diet controlled type 2 without Cushing's disease or subclinical hypercortisolemia. But those folks also gain weight from exercise, often due to higher cortisol from exercise.

                                      1. re: mcf

                                        It can happen to anyone, Type 1 or 2, who has an occasional high bg and who engages in strenuous training.

                                        1. re: lynnlato

                                          That hasn't been my experience as a type 2 diabetic.

                                          If it happens to you, there might be a better way of managing your type 1, but I can't claim any expertise with that very different disease with completely different cause, management and progression.

                                          The only folks I have ever heard of having that experience were following the high carb, low fat ADA guidelines.


                                          The OP was very happy with her results. That's good enough for me.

                                          1. re: mcf

                                            It's only happened to me twice over the course of my type 1 diabetic lifetime (16 yrs now - wow, how time flies). I am extremely well-managed and I have never followed the ADA diet guidelines. I have both type 1 & 2 friends that have experienced the phenomenon and they too don't follow the ADA diet guidelines (frankly, I don't know of anyone who does) and most are very athletic. It's just something we've discussed and that I've read about and discussed with my endo.

                                            In any event, I'm glad its never happened to you and I hope it never does.

                2. re: johnseberg


                  I tried the cane sugar version of this (So Delicious Brand) product, and, again, had quite a bit of gas. The ingredient label seems to change quite a bit. What is on their website does not match what was on my container (agave vs. cane, chicory root extract vs. inulin [possibly the same thing]). So, maybe it was the inulin, all along. I'm still avoiding erythritol, though.

                  In either case, the gas seemed to develop in the lower GI, so, I guess it isn't fueling SIBO. Still, too much pressure can't be good. Hopefully, I'll tolerate these prebiotics better, going forward.

                  I make treats with canned coconut milk and berries and seem to tolerate those very well. Guar gum is the only weird thing in that mix - no added sweeteners.

                  1. re: johnseberg

                    I'm a luna and larry's fan, nothing funky in there..and really good!

              1. Hi Teddybear. Go for the full fat ice cream. It's a one-off.

                1. I see this was posted a while back now, but sorbet will most likely have the highest sugar content since the fruit has sugar and they add sugar when making the sorbet base. Sugar free will have some kind of mysterious franken-food in there. The regular ice cream will not only taste the best but also have a few grams protein to help "buffer" the sugar.
                  I would skip the cone though