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Between RN74, Perbacco and Seven Hills... [San Francisco]

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arepo Jun 18, 2013 03:49 PM

...which would you suggest if I could only choose 1?

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    HoosierFoodie Jun 19, 2013 07:52 AM

    I've only been to Perbacco and RN74 but both within the last year. I'd go with RN74.

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      nocharge Jun 18, 2013 07:05 PM

      Haven't been to Seven Hills, but for food, I'd take Perbacco over RN74 in a split second. RN74 has an ambitious wine program (to the point of being gimmicky with their train station displays), but Perbacco's wine offerings are absolutely solid as well.

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        arepo Jun 18, 2013 07:24 PM

        Thank you. Perbacco it is.
        Now maybe you can recommend another good restaurant in place of RN74.

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          nocharge Jun 18, 2013 07:53 PM

          There are so many dining options in downtown SF that it really depends on what you are looking for: cuisine, price level, location, etc. RN74 tries to be vaguely French. If French is what your looking for, La Folie is a good choice for higher end stuff. There are quite a few choices for French places without Michelin stars that are lower priced (not that La Folie is that outrageously expensive). Maybe Cafe Claude for one. If you don't mind spending lot's of dollars, I'd say RN74's sister restaurant Michael Mina is a better choice than RN74. But then, there are plenty of other good, but expensive, restaurants as well that are as least as interesting as Michael Mina. It all depends on what you are looking for and the chances of getting a reservation. (Some of the hottest restaurant in town are sold out a month ahead.)

          1. re: arepo
            Ruth Lafler Jun 19, 2013 10:18 AM

            As nocharge says, you really need to give us a better idea of what you're looking for. In addition to the criteria s/he listed, I'd add, "where are you coming from," since some recommendations depend on what's better or worse here than what you would find at home.

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              arepo Jun 19, 2013 06:31 PM

              Okay, I hear you.
              I have found Kokkari which seems to fit the bill for my mate -- who is not as experimental as I am. (He didn't like Perbacco's menu so I guess we strike that from the list.)
              We both like the Kokkari menu and know nothing about the place other than that. It is Greek seafood which we both like.
              We do not need a French restaurant -- and certainly not a fancy schmancy one, though we both enjoy charming, small French restaurants.
              We also like good Italian and am open to suggestions.
              We have been to Boulevard and Frascati, both of which we liked.
              We are not Gary Danko people -- been there/done that.
              Does this give you a better picture of our tastes?
              Thanks for taking the time.
              :-)

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                nocharge Jun 19, 2013 07:25 PM

                Kokkari is a good choice for upscale Greek food. (Maybe because the original chef was French.) And the ambience is even better than the food.

                I don't find Perbacco's menu experimental. It's solid Italian food, but not of the checkered-tablecloth stereotype variety. My guess is that most people who are not of Greek origin would find Kokkari's menu more exotic.

                There are plenty of decent Italian places in SF. You could start by checking out Barbacco, the sister restaurant of Perbacco, which has a different Italian slant while providing really good value. A16 and La Ciccia are interesting but come with more logistic issues if you are staying in downtown SF. If the weather is nice and you are downtown, you could walk around the restaurants at Belden Place to see if anything appeals to you. Good restaurants in SF is a huge topic that has been discussed repetitively in this forum, so if you have any specifics in mind, try using the search function.

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                  arepo Jun 19, 2013 08:30 PM

                  We found an intriguing idea in restaurants -- Canteen. Very innovative and we thought we might like to try it unless you feel we're not on the right page.
                  Thank you so much for all of your suggestions. It was very kind of you to take the time.
                  I still have not given up the thought of Perbacco but this Canteen looks unique.

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                    nocharge Jun 19, 2013 08:42 PM

                    Haven't been to Canteen in a few years but always been a fan of the chef dating back to his days at Rubicon. Canteen gets a lot of love in this forum. Just don't expect a very upscale ambience.

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                      grayelf Jun 20, 2013 12:05 AM

                      We last went to Canteen in November, right after the chef/owner changed to a slightly new concept. He has a more-or-less set menu of four courses now which change nightly, always very reasonably priced it seems. Our only issue was that we found it to be too much food. Otherwise, my chowcrush on Dennis Leary continues unabated. I'm looking forward to checking out his two new places on our next visit.

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                        arepo Jun 20, 2013 04:59 AM

                        Pray tell, what are Dennis Leary's 2 new places?
                        Perhaps that needs looking into.

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                          grayelf Jun 20, 2013 08:55 AM

                          AFAIK, they're not open yet. I came across references to them from March (maybe in the Chron?). They're both supposed to be ready by the end of the year. One is Café Terminus at Drumm and California, the other will be a bar, formerly RJ's Sports Bar (701 Geary). I was also sad to hear he has discontinued the vanilla soufflé at Canteen. Moment of silence....

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          absc Jun 18, 2013 06:33 PM

          I haven't been to Seven Hills. For food I'd choose Perbacco over RN74. For wine, it depends on your tastes.

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            DavidT Jun 18, 2013 05:39 PM

            I have not been to RN74, but I have been to the other two. I would choose Perbacco. Be aware that Perbacco is a large "downtown" restaurant and Seven Hills is a neighborhood place.

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