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3 Days (including a Sunday) - help refine my list?

Frodnesor Jun 18, 2013 01:00 PM

We will have three days in Montreal next month. I've not been to Montreal since I was 5 years old, so arrive as pretty much a blank slate (though I've done plenty of homework). Generally speaking, I tend to prefer the modern to the stodgily traditional, but balance that against seeking out genuine local flavors.

One of our 3 days is a Sunday and I note that many places close Sun/Mon - so suggestions for a good Sunday dinner option (and good Sunday brunch) are particularly welcomed.

Am working on reservations at Au Pied de Cochon and/or Joe Beef, but my prime alternates, in rough order of preference (based on nothing other than reading menus and comments) include:

DINNERS:
(* is for those open Sunday)

- APDC (if we can get in) *
- Joe Beef
- Les 400 Coups
- Le Filet
- Garde Manger *
- Maison Publique * (with no reservations policy, what is the likely wait?)
- Au Cinquieme Peche
- Liverpool House (opinion seems decidedly mixed, at least in comparison to sibling Joe Beef)
- Lemeac (?)*
- L'Express (?)*
- Foodlab (intrigued but still probably unlikely to make our short list)

SUN BRUNCH:
- Maison Publique
- Lawrence
- Le Chien Fumant

Any recommendations on what should be added, subtracted or moved up or down on the list are welcomed.

During the days we will also be hitting Schwartz's (smoked meat), St. Viateur (bagels - or should we go to Fairmount? or both?), possibly La Banquise (poutine), Jean Talon Market - any other "stations of the cross" we shouldn't miss?

I get the sense from this board anyway that wine and beer are a better bet than cocktails, and have Buvette Chez Simone, Pullman and Hotel Herman on our list as well. Any further advice welcomed (including geographical, i.e., have a drink at "x" before having dinner at "y").

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    Fintastic RE: Frodnesor Jun 18, 2013 03:04 PM

    Wow. You've got a serious list there. I'll say outright that you'd have a tough time finding any stodgy places in Montreal, and there are certainly none included in your selection. The closest you'll come is L'Express, but it can be forgiven given it's traditionalism. It looks like you may have just read my most recent post, so there isn't too much more for me to say. But when has that ever stopped me...?

    My main recommendation would be to do either Joe Beef or APDC, and not both. Joe Beef has (many of) their tables listed on opentable which is active during the hours that they're open (i.e. it won't list any tables if you check in the morning). It should tell you if they have space or not. If you can't get in or would prefer APDC obviously has the advantage of being open on Sundays. Both are great, as I'm sure you're aware. Most things on both menus are quite heavy and in some ways similar in style, which is why I'd not advise trying to eat at both on a 3 day trip. Leave a message on the APDC answering machine and they will certainly return your call. Also, don't dismiss Liverpool House outright. It is essentially the same restaurant as JB, and anyone who likes one but not the other may have simply had a bad experience (or a good experience, depending on one's opinion). JB's only advantage, I would say, is the back terrasse, but Liverpool House is much more spacious inside. When I can't get a spot outside I actually aim for LP, where one can actually find a few Montrealers on the weekend and not only tourists. It can also be reserved without requiring a month's planning.

    Lemeac and L'Express are both very traditional French bistros. Each has good elements: Lemeac the discounted after 10 menu, and L'Express the great deals on wine. If you're craving some Parisian charm either is a solid choice, but neither is innovative nor my top picks. In fact, I typically suggest Laloux over these choices, but any of the 3 would suffice. Cinquieme Peche might also fall into this category, although it makes a serious effort to create innovative French dishes from very non-traditional ingredients (namely Canadian specialties like duck, lobster, and seal).

    Buvette Chez Simone is a great, affordable choice for pre-dinner drinks that's close to Filet, 5ieme Peche, Lemeac, etc. I prefer it to the aging Pullman. To the best of my knowledge Hotel Herman does not permit one to just have wine/drinks as they only have a restaurant license. However, if you can manage to get seats they do offer many small plates that might warm up your appetite. It is very close to Lawrence, which does dinner at least as well as brunch. Foodlab could be reserved on opentable for the Friday of your trip and might also work for snacks and drinks on your way to dinner (perhaps at nearby 400 Coups?).

    Which leads me to 400 Coups. It is exceptionally good, especially the desserts, although back-to-back visits here and le Filet in May left me feeling far more impressed with the latter. The style is quite different: Filet requiring sharing of small, primarily fish dishes among the table (which works far better here than any other restaurant using this approach), and 4C having a more typical 3/5/7 course approach. Prices are similar, though I've found my bill tends to end up lower at Filet (as does my colesterol count). I don't actually know why I'm contrasting these as I might even recommend trying both. They're my favourites at the moment.

    Garde I dislike, and is easily bested by JB or APDC in the same category.

    Like Liverpool House, Maison Publique also gets mixed reviews. I enjoyed my only meal there, although it too was quite heavy. Arriving right at 6pm should get you a table immediately, but much later and you risk waiting for quite a while (especially on a weekend). I won't hazard a guess, but I'd think at least 30 mins. It wouldn't be my first choice, but good for some interesting twists on traditional British cooking.

    Let us know how your reservations work out and we might better recommend options for drinks before/after your meals. Good luck!

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      Maximilien RE: Fintastic Jun 18, 2013 03:29 PM

      note about l'express; I've had a great fish last week at lunch (from the day's special)

      Lemeac has a great terrasse.
      Le Filet also has a terrasse (unless it is used as a drunken driver parking space :-) ), but I've not eaten outside there yet.

      La Buvette has a terrasse, but it is small, does not take reservation, and fills up quite very quickly.

      As for itineraries :
      1. Have a drink (wine) and a small bite at Le Comptoir; then go over to Herman for small bite and some more wine, then stop for ice-cream at Kem Coba.

      2. Get a drink at one of the many terrasse on Mont-Royal Avenue, and then either go to "La Salle à Manger" or "Le Chien Fumant" then finish up with some cocktails at "Le Lab"

      3. Food Lab for drinks and small bites on the terrasse, then over to Bouillon Bilk or Brasserie T (or F Bar)

      ...

      Enjoy.

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        kpaxonite RE: Maximilien Jun 18, 2013 06:27 PM

        Since Pullman is on the list it would be very easy to have a drink there before or after dinner at bouiillon bilk/T/F/foodlab since it is right around the corner.

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      LearningHow RE: Frodnesor Jun 19, 2013 05:45 AM

      We're also planning a 3-day trip next month, and plan on hitting most of the same places lol.
      Regarding APDC, I've already emailed them a reservation request and they got back to me in about 2 days. Although the website says they will confirm by telephone, all communication (and there was some negotiation and options with the reservation time - as we have a slightly larger group) was done via email with no issues.

      1. Frodnesor RE: Frodnesor Jun 22, 2013 07:20 AM

        Thanks for the input - can anyone tell me more about Les Jardins Sauvages?
        http://www.jardinssauvages.com/

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          DolceFarNiente RE: Frodnesor Jun 24, 2013 10:28 AM

          Frod, I'd love to hear your comments after your trip. Once you eat in Montreal -particularly at the places on your list - it will be very difficult to eat back in Miami. Montreal is my home town and I miss it desperately every time I am out to eat at a restaurant in South Florida. Bon Appetit!

          1. Frodnesor RE: Frodnesor Jun 26, 2013 10:49 PM

            Can anyone tell me more about Laurie Raphael (Montreal)? Curious looking menu.

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              cherylmtl RE: Frodnesor Jun 27, 2013 05:11 PM

              Talk about a place that's dropped off the radar... I can't recall the last time anyone mentioned it on this board. Which probably means, especially with only 3 days, to forget about it - unless anyone here suggests otherwise.

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                Fintastic RE: cherylmtl Jun 28, 2013 12:15 PM

                This is true - it's a place that receives virtually no discussion here or elsewhere. I've only been for lunch, but my feeling is that it is the kind of upscale restaurant that can be found in high-end hotels in most North American cities. Although it's advertised to feature local quebecois cuisine, their current menu doesn't exactly seem to match that claim. If you're looking for more uniquely Quebecois fine dining I'd probably recommend Toque or Europea, although these are a bit more expensive.

            2. Frodnesor RE: Frodnesor Jul 3, 2013 11:12 AM

              Agenda is shaping up as follows:

              FRI:
              - Dinner at Les 400 Coups

              SAT:
              - Lunch in Chinatown? Ruby Rouge? Or possibly Brasserie T?
              - Pre-dinner drinks at Buvette Chez Simon, or possibly Hotel Herman or Big in Japan Bar.
              - Dinner at Le Filet

              SUN:
              - Brunch at Maison Publique, Le Chien Fumant or Lawrence (still could use some help deciding)
              - Pre-dinner drinks at Le Lab or Bily Kun
              - Dinner at APDC.

              MON:
              - Start at Jean-Talon Market, then walk Mile End neighborhood St. Laurent Blvd. and eat as much as we can of St. Viateur bagels, Fairmount Bagels, Wilensky's, Beauty's, and Schwartz's Deli.

              Thoughts? Suggestions?

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                Glaff RE: Frodnesor Jul 3, 2013 12:38 PM

                Monday is not the most interesting day for the market, I would skip lunch in Chinatown on saturday to spend a few hours at the market instead (or at a park nearby with fresh bread, cheeses, fruits and vegetables).

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                  catroast RE: Glaff Jul 3, 2013 12:53 PM

                  It's a pretty decent walk from jean talon market all the way to schwartz's while puttering about mile end. On monday i'd go up to mile end for bagels, grab a coffee at club social or cafe olympico on St-Viateur, hit up wilensky's when it opens (fun because it's old world but the food isn't anything great) and skip beauty's. you will be within walking distance of mount royal park - i've always liked it on a monday (sunday it is a giant spectacle so you may want to see it then). You'll surely be ready to scoff by the time you get to Schwartz's.

                  re beauty's: i like it - only place in town where you can get a club sandwich on challah - but it's pricey and i've never seen a visitor report back a good experience here.

              2. Frodnesor RE: Frodnesor Jul 9, 2013 11:37 AM

                Travel plans may have to be altered and am now possibly in search of late night (post midnight) Friday dining options. Suggestions?

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                  catroast RE: Frodnesor Jul 9, 2013 11:48 AM

                  the Lemeac after 10 deal is very good and worth it.

                  check out the late night dining thread as there is a large list of restaurants with >9 pm or >10 pm table d'hotes

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                    Frodnesor RE: catroast Jul 9, 2013 12:20 PM

                    Only late night thread I've turned up is this one, which is a little sparse on details ->
                    http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/903876

                    Is there somewhere else I should be looking?

                    And by late I mean post-midnight based on alternate flight plans. Completely open to "not quite classic linen napkin joints" though Chien Fumant may be a good option.

                    We now have a reservation Sunday at APDC. What about Joe Beef, is it open late on a Friday? This post would seem to suggest not ->
                    http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/896442

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                      EaterBob RE: Frodnesor Jul 9, 2013 01:19 PM

                      Other places to eat that are open after midnight are (in no particular order)
                      Gibeau Orange Julep - 24/7 (Classic)
                      Joe's Panini - 24/7 (Great Burger on a panini)
                      Mon Nan - 4 AM (Peking Duck)
                      Beijing - 3 AM (Szechuan)
                      Nouveau Palais - 3 AM (Contemporary Take on Greasy Spoon food)

                      For deals (usually after 9 PM)
                      http://dineafternine.ca/after-nine-me...
                      http://www.belledenuitmontreal.com/my...
                      Neither of which is complete

                      And if you wanted to do poutine, I would suggest first going to a bar near your hotel, drinking for a little while and then asking the bartender where to go. La Banquise has become a tourist trap and the quality has suffered as a consequence.

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                        Fintastic RE: Frodnesor Jul 9, 2013 04:19 PM

                        Joe beef will definitely not seat tables that late, but you'd likely be almost as happy with Chien Fumant. There was a time when I actually preferred the latter over the former. For a lighter cheaper and closer meal, L'Express would be my only recommendation.

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                          kpzoo RE: Frodnesor Jul 10, 2013 04:14 AM

                          This is an oldie but goodie:

                          late night deals or early bird specials
                          http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/605798

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                            sam1 RE: Frodnesor Jul 12, 2013 09:07 PM

                            not sure when the cut off is for food but ive walked in at 1045-11pm on weekend nights and ended up leaving at 1am and didnt seem to have issues getting food that late at joe beef.

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                          EaterBob RE: Frodnesor Jul 9, 2013 11:57 AM

                          After midnight your choices for fine dining are going to be limited. Pretty much L'Express and Chien Fumant. The kitchen is open until 2 AM at both places.

                          If you can make it before midnight, the kitchen at Au Pied de Cochon closes at midnight and at that time of night it is usually extremely easy to get a table.

                          If you're open to equally delicious, but not quite "classic" linen napkin joints, then there are a bunch more.

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                            kpaxonite RE: Frodnesor Jul 9, 2013 12:05 PM

                            From your list Banquise is open all night.. have a couple drinks and chow down on some poutine (the more traditional the poutine the more I like it .. Im not a big fan of the more exotic poutines they offer but the chicken and pea one is alright)

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                              catroast RE: kpaxonite Jul 9, 2013 12:41 PM

                              very crowded, busy and loud at that time so if you're looking to relax, banquise aint the place

                              having said that, it is a terrific option! I went the other night and it was as good as ever.

                          2. petek RE: Frodnesor Jul 12, 2013 05:44 PM

                            I hope you don't mind me butting in but..for solo dining,which would be my best bet, Les 400 coups or le Filet? I enjoy sitting at the bar and eating so that's not a problem for me. I'll be in your fair city first weekend of September.
                            Cheers!

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                              cherylmtl RE: petek Jul 12, 2013 09:57 PM

                              The dishes at Le Filet are meant for sharing, so it's better to go with at least one other person, to get a decent selection of things to try. You could certainly manage for one, but I think 400 Coups would work better, menu-wise.
                              However, there aren't really any places I can think of offhand that don't work for solo diners - it's very common here, either seated at a bar or a table.

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                                petek RE: cherylmtl Jul 13, 2013 05:23 AM

                                400 Coups it is. Thank you!

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                                  Fintastic RE: petek Jul 13, 2013 10:07 AM

                                  I agree that 400 Coups is probably a better choice in this case, although I've recently been considering going solo to Filet so that I can get a whole bowl of one of their soups to myself. Every kind I've had there has been jaw-dropping..

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                                    petek RE: Fintastic Jul 13, 2013 10:56 AM

                                    Another question..since I'm not going to be there until September,is it too early to make a reservation? The reason I ask is that everytime I try to reserve on Open Table, there are no "tables" available for one at any hour. Should I wait a bit or should I call the restaurant directly and ask for a bar seat?
                                    I did this for my 9:30 reservation at Joe Beef for the Saturday.

                                    Cheers

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                                marblebag RE: petek Jul 14, 2013 05:43 PM

                                When I go to Le Filet I get the tuna tartare and the crab risotto. I have eaten all that they have to offer however, with groups.

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