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Top 10 Hot Dog Lies (in no particular order)

1) "We get our dogs made specially for us" Easily the most common lie in the business. Owners say this so that you will think you can only get a particular dog from them. There are exceptions, such as the Galloping Hill Inn and Marci's, but more than 9 times out of 10 it's a lie. I was disappointed to hear this lie repeated twice recently at Rutt's Hut. Of course I didn't sit by quietly but called them on it.

2) "We make our dogs here" Not as common as lie #1, but I've heard it more than a few times. Galloping Hill Inn and Maui's were guilty of this. I ask to see the sausage making equipment.

3)"Our dogs are smaller so we can fit in more toppings" Bull$hit. Get a bigger roll. Many serve smaller dogs, charge the same as those who serve bigger ones and count on you not noticing.

4) "We use skinless dogs because the elderly have a hard time chewing the casing" No you don't. You do it because skinless dogs are cheaper. I've heard this one a lot. Once a guy who was located in an industrial area and served mainly factory workers gave this as a reason. I doubt he had very many elderly customers.

5) "You'll like OUR veggie dogs" Whoever invented this abomination should be shot. If you don't want to eat a real hot dog, get a salad. A real hot dog is made from real meat. Beef. Pork. Veal. Buffalo. Or any combination. Anything made from poultry, fish, or whatever the hell they put in veggie dogs is not a hot dog. I don't care what the label calls it.

6) Adding stupid ingredients like truffles, foie gras, raspberry wasabi sauce, cream cheese, and other assorted crap and calling it a "haute dog" enhances the hot dog. No, it masks the flavor of it. A true hot dog was meant to be enjoyed with mustard and/or a minimum of toppings that enhance, not mask the frankfurter. You wouldn't put this crap on a high quality pastrami sandwich. It's trendy, pretentious, and more often than not the invention of a bored chef. These people ought to be lined up next to the veggie, salmon, and poultry dog people.

7) "It's a hot dog; no one can tell the difference" I get this when I ask why someone is using a cheap, low quality dog. This one may not even belong on the list because in many parts of the country, particularly the south, hardly anyone cares about the actual frank; it's more about the toppings. Especially the slaw in places like Virginia and Carolina where they use a cheap, bland dog.

8) "Our special chili is from a family recipe dating all the way back to the Garden of Eden" Many, if not most hot dog purveyors make their own chili. But a lot use the canned kind (which is not a crime) but try to pass it off as homemade.

9) "You're a hot dog snob" No, I'm not. That term is an oxymoron, like jumbo shrimp. We are talking about a simple, unpretentious food. I look for a quality frankfurter, prepared well whether it's in water, deep fried, griddled, grilled, or some combination: at a decent size served hot on a fresh bun. There's no such thing as a hot dog snob, although the "haute dog" people who gussie up their dogs with all sorts of esoteric crap and have them with expensive wine come close.

10) "Hot dogs are good for you" I've uttered this one myself in an effort to get my wife off my back for complaining that I eat too many double Italian Hot Dogs. I tried to tell her they are a healthy, well balanced meal containing bread, meat, vegetables, and potatoes. She wasn't having it.

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  1. Nice observations.....there's currently a request looking for the best hot dogs in Manhattan.....a couple of recommendations were for Katz's and Papaya King, Both are made by Marathon, no?

    1. Yes, and the same rcipe although the Katz's dog is a little bigger.

      1. How dare you make such a sweeping indictment of the South. Just because my favorite, Mustard's Last Stand, has 40 or 50 toppings on the menu, doesn't mean you cannot get a classic Chicago. Or Hot Dog Heaven in Orlando only has about 20 last time I was there.

        On the other hand, you might have a point. :-)

        1. lOL I love hot dogs...even tried to make my own ...once.. I dont care if they are evil I dont care if they are made from puppy dog tails they are yoummmy

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          1. re: girloftheworld

            I made them in cooking school, and they were the best hotdogs!

            1. re: wyogal

              :) maybe youll share your recipe and secret.. and I will try again one day...

              1. re: girloftheworld

                I think we just followed a recipe in the garde manger book, and then did a smoke. Real casings, great snap.
                Most of the kids in the class (college kids, I went when I was 50) were pretty grossed out, liquid meat kinda thing. But, it was fab.

          2. You know what they say - a hot dog tastes good as long as you eat it anywhere but home.

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            1. re: Veggo

              Except for the $1.50 Polish with a drink,the only hot dogs we eat are the Oscar Mayer Angus ones you turned us onto a long time ago. They're great. I saute some onion and jalapeno and dump in a can of spicy chili. Good stuff.

              @OP, I've never heard any of those things but I live on the Left Coast where they're not a religion as they appear to be in some parts of the country.

              1. re: Veggo

                especially when they ended up looking lie this :(

                1. re: girloftheworld

                  They look like they may be pretty good. Cut the buns to size, top with lots of goopy stuff, plus kimchee.

                  1. re: Veggo

                    trust me ... they were wierd tasting.. they almost tasted like hot dogs,,but were a little off..we had to buy a ton of stuff too ..nonfat dry dry milk..dextrose..casings .. and then squeezing it throuh the tube and twisting it off seeeeeeemed easy....my dog didnt eat them

                    1. re: girloftheworld

                      A good lesson not to serve anything to a guest until it has passed your own quality test. Failures are part of progress.

                      1. re: Veggo

                        true- it was kind of fun... and I am still eating hot dogs.. so it wasnt too traumatic.

                          1. re: Veggo

                            she is gnawing on a ribeye bone as we speak... I think she got over it too.

                2. re: Veggo

                  How true! Hot dog in my mind is punishment food unless I am somewhere else. I prefer the natural casings. I like Hummels but not the Blackies that are thinner. Muckey's are good too.

                  Also it has to have a top split bun. The side split are an abomination, wish I lived in NE still.

                3. #5, no veggie hot dogs, I agree, just as there are no veggie fajitas, or chicken and shrimp fajitas. Nope, just beef.

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                  1. re: James Cristinian

                    The just beef is not a requirement. Some of the best dogs are beef and pork blend. Look at the great dogs being made in upstate New York .. Hartman's and Hofmann's come to mind. They are nuanced and much more flavorful than the all beef overly salty dogs that are the most common.

                    1. re: cwdonald

                      I was just talking about fajitas. I know it wasn't clear, sorry.

                  2. Awesome. Hat's off. One knee. Brilliant!

                      1. Love number 1.....................
                        A good friend of mine owns a major hot dog production company in Connecticut (it's been in his family for generations).
                        He supplies many of the better hot dog places in the state. Some claim the dogs are made just for them. I asked my friend about this, as I could never taste any difference in the dogs, though places do use different methods to cook them.

                        His reply: We have one recipe, but for major customers we scale slightly different weights, so Hot Dog Stand X can say we make it especially for them, and Hot Dog Stand Y can say the same, both telling the truth, just not the whole truth."

                        That 1/16 ounce difference in weight is enough to justify the claim as long as only a particular restaurant gets the product.

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                        1. re: bagelman01

                          Bagel,same tactic in the bedding business - "We'll match anyone's price for the same mattress". There is no "same" mattress.

                          1. re: Veggo

                            Oh do tell. We are in a search for a new mattress.

                            And to keep this food related, re #4. If it doesn't have casing, well it's still a hot dog, but one I'm not willing to pay much for. Gotta have that snap!

                            1. re: charlesbois

                              My buddy in the mattress business says buy one of the 3 "S" leading brands at a Big Box retailer, and don't be upsold to the $2000 slick stuff pushed at bedding stores.
                              I'm looking forward to a snappy natural casing dog in CT next week.

                              1. re: Veggo

                                Many thanks!

                                I'm pregnant right now, so I'm eschewing hot dogs. But the first thing I eat (besides booze) after giving birth is going to be a natural casing detroit style coney dog! (Michigander here.)

                                1. re: Veggo

                                  Just went to Glenwood on Saturday, Mmmmm!

                                  1. re: BiscuitBoy

                                    I'll be there this Saturday. Did you notice whether they have the seasonal soft shell crabs? They are my mom's favorite.

                                    1. re: Veggo

                                      My Mom used to like'em too, but I honestly don't remember...I had my hot dog goggles on

                                      1. re: BiscuitBoy

                                        As of July 2, they still have soft shell crabs. Lobster rolls, whole belly clams, onion rings, and Hummel dog were ambrosia. Not all at once, 3 visits.
                                        This is a plug for #1 Fish Market on State St. in North Haven. Awesome store. Another plug for Reins jewish deli in Vernon. Another for Sunday brunch at Great River Golf Club in Milford.

                                        1. re: Veggo

                                          Hitting all the hotspots, are you?!!

                            2. re: bagelman01

                              Your friend is also our family's friend...and neighbor

                                1. re: bagelman01

                                  Refresh my memory. Is that the one on Dixwell near Concord?

                                  1. re: mucho gordo

                                    Try this:

                                    ETA: You don't need a secret handshake to get a hot dog! ;)

                                1. re: bagelman01

                                  I'm sure the company is Hummel's. I once spoke with someone who works there. One recipe, but different sizes and either skinless or casing. Best's in New Jersey has one recipe. I know several people there including the plant manager who confirmed this to me. This hasn''t stopped people from claimimg they get a special recipe from Best. I always call them on this lie, usually in front of customers. I can understand those who don't want to reveal what they're using, but don't lie to me.

                                  1. re: hotdoglover

                                    I agree with you about proprietors not lying to customers. If they don't want to tell you, fine, but don't lie and get caught.
                                    As to the company, you have good abilities to make conclusions. But as I never asked he individual I mentioned below whether I could publicly attribute this, I shall neither confirm or deny.

                                2. Great observations!
                                  One that I've heard a lot is the often empirically stated "all beef hot dogs are superior hot dogs".
                                  I've generally _not_ found that to be very true...there are some that are very good indeed, but I've found that good pork or mixed hot dogs to be _much_ better in flavor and texture (but no chicken or turkey in there, please).

                                  But really, in the end I guess that there are good and bad examples of both varieties. ;-)

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                                  1. re: The Professor

                                    I think the attraction to beef hot dogs is that if they are certified as being Kosher they are seen as an indication of being more wholesome than regular hot dogs.

                                    I don't think having superior taste has anything to do with it. I've eaten Kosher pizza (once) and it frankly sucks.

                                    1. re: Wolfsbane

                                      Gosh. I've never heard of kosher pizza.

                                      So much for clams and white sauce...

                                        1. re: Bada Bing

                                          Kosher pizza places used rennet-less cheeses and those faux meats that fall into the same category as veggie dogs. Ick! I've had a couple of slices of Kosher pizza that were topped with fresh veggies only and they were passable, but only passable.

                                      1. re: The Professor

                                        Beef franks and mixed meat franks have different flavor profiles. All beef usually contains a good amount of garlic and paprika. German/Polish beef/pork dogs have little or none of these. Milder, with a subtler spicing and wider array of flavors. Mixed meat franks can be cheap store brands with mechanically separated pork, chicken, and poultry, or expensive franks from butcher/pork stores containing quality cuts of beef and pork. No trimmings, no poultry, no fillers, no additives. They go for $7.00 per pound and up and exceed store bought beef franks with regard to quality. Those who prefer beef franks say the mixed meat are too bland. Those prefering beef and pork think the all beef are too spicy. I like both types provided they are high quality.

                                        1. re: The Professor

                                          Re: all beef... kosher, etc:
                                          I have followed and enjoyed the insights of hotdoglover for years, and its been a fun adventure to explore various flavors and brands. Along the way, while all that was going on, I made some dietary and personal decisions in my life that included cutting out pork products. And I think I've been pretty consistent with this for about 8 or 10 years. So, looking for the "all beef" product and asking the counter help if their hot dog is "all beef" (counter people- I need the true scoop when I ask, please) certainly has become more important to my hot dog adventures.

                                          1. re: hotoynoodle

                                            "Kobe beef" ANYTHING for that matter!!

                                            1. re: hotoynoodle

                                              Twice, I've purchased these Wagyu hot dogs. 5 dogs, 16 oz., $1.50 each at $7.50 a pack. Are they the real thing? Don't know for sure, but I do know the folks that ate them thought they were exceptional. Normally, I'm a Hebrew National guy.

                                              1. re: grampart

                                                Wagyu isn't Kobe. What did YOU think of them?

                                                1. re: c oliver

                                                  Top-notch! If they sold them at Publix, I'd buy them more regularly.

                                                  1. re: grampart

                                                    That's one of the funniest things I've read :)

                                                      1. re: grampart

                                                        That they would sell them at Publix!

                                                        1. re: c oliver

                                                          Yeah, that is pretty funny come to think about it.

                                            2. @hotdoglover

                                              Regarding #6

                                              What are your feelings about cheese dogs? The hot dogs they add cheese to the mix while manufacturing, so when cooked have a vein of semi molten cheese running through them.

                                              I like them but agree with you on the other things. Hot dogs are best with a nice yellow deli mustard and sauerkraut or onion chunks.

                                              As for #10

                                              If you were staving to death and there were no other food, hot dogs would keep you alive. So of course they're good for you. ;-)

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                                              1. re: Wolfsbane

                                                As your friends would be good for you.

                                                1. re: Wolfsbane

                                                  Not crazy about cheese inside the hot dog.

                                                2. #7 is so damn true....
                                                  #8 is ubiquitous...

                                                  1. I've always considered a hot dog merely a conduit for ketchup, mustard and sweet relish.

                                                    Who knew there were other intended uses for a hot dog.

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                                                    1. re: ipsedixit

                                                      I have never had a cat that would eat one. That has been my litmus test.

                                                      1. re: Veggo

                                                        A hot dog snob for a cat. Who would've thunk.

                                                        1. re: ipsedixit

                                                          Try to get a personal food taster for a better price.

                                                          1. re: Veggo

                                                            When they're not hounding me for bits of grilled pastured chicken, melted ice cream, and goat cheese, my cats spend plenty of time under their tails and cleaning the wax from the naked cats' ears. I've had one who managed to ingest a whole thick rubber band ($$$ xrays to ensure okay). I don't trust their palates any more than that of the average hungry stray dog. They just affect the look of tiny snooty hairy restaurant critics.

                                                            Plus they beg for my hot dogs too. :)

                                                              1. re: DuchessNukem

                                                                I had a cat who love Cheetos. Loved 'em. She also loved Raspberry Newtons. Weird cat.

                                                                1. re: Terrieltr

                                                                  My Siamese would kill for a Dorito. Only the original flavor though. Once I offered them a ranch flavored and they wouldn't touch any of them for a year.

                                                                  Cats have some kind of palate, but it's not discriminating.

                                                          2. re: Veggo

                                                            My cats like mostly nothing but cat food, so I don't look to them for culinary guidance.

                                                            1. re: flavrmeistr

                                                              my rats live hot dogs but I cannot stand them. To me they all taste like cooked bologna which is repulsive. I make corn dogs, eat off the coating and give the dogs to my rats. My boyfriend loves beef hotdogs and brats however.

                                                            2. re: Veggo

                                                              My cats don't eat them, either. But they also don't eat sushi, so I'm pretty sure they are aliens masquerading as cats and report our weird food habits back to their home planet.

                                                              One of my cats does eat shrimp (from Whole Foods only) to divert suspicion, but I'm onto him.

                                                              1. re: Isolda

                                                                little veggo prefers landlubbers vs. seafood - geckos and scorpions and green snakes are his principal diet.

                                                                1. re: Veggo

                                                                  If little veggo ever eats a blue tailed skink and survives, you will have a text book example of schizoid.

                                                                  1. re: Veggo

                                                                    If we were afflicted with those critters, I'd have a lot more cats than I do! Scorpions, yikes!

                                                                2. re: Veggo

                                                                  My cats won't eat anything but cat food, so....

                                                                3. re: ipsedixit

                                                                  One jar spicy brown mustard per hotdog. I do get looks, but that's how I eat my mustard.

                                                                  Never yellow mustard.

                                                                  I do prefer a Nathans if it's gotta be store bought (east coast?)

                                                                  1. re: Gastronomos

                                                                    I once lived in the home of Frankfurters. On the Main river in Germany. And they did, kind of, resemble Nathan's in flavor. Just a lot longer.

                                                                    1. re: Gastronomos

                                                                      finally i agree with you....some of the Handwerker family are our friends of ours!

                                                                  2. "We use skinless dogs because the elderly have a hard time chewing the casing"

                                                                    I have heard this before, but with elderly people replaced with little kids. Not sure if bullshit or not. I do think chili dogs are better with a skinless wiener. It gives you a cleaner bite and less mess.

                                                                    "A true hot dog was meant to be enjoyed with mustard and/or a minimum of toppings that enhance, not mask the frankfurter."

                                                                    What is your feeling on the fully loaded Chicago dog?

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                                                                    1. re: RealMenJulienne

                                                                      Don't you eat a chili dog with a knife and fork?!?!?

                                                                      1. re: RealMenJulienne

                                                                        Not my favorite style, but I enjoy one occasionlly as a change of pace. Thhe milder Vienna beef dog goes better with the "salad dog". A more agressively spiced dog like Nathans or Hebrew National would throw everything out of balance and disrupt the synergy. If that makes any sense.

                                                                        1. re: hotdoglover

                                                                          There are some stands around Chicago which serve a simpler style of dog, with just mustard, onions and sport peppers on top of a steamed natural casing Vienna Beef. Redhot Ranch and Al's Under the EL come to mind. I have a feeling you might enjoy those more than the full Chicago salad dog.

                                                                      2. Another long rant on the trendy "haute dog." I've cut and pasted from previous posts.

                                                                        I don't really care for this current "haute dog" trend as well as chefs getting involved with hot dogs. I just posted about this on Roessler's facebook page in response to a link posted there on the same subject. A lot of what I posted is from some of my previous posts and comments. I'll cut and paste it below. One reason places do this is to drive up the price. Let me quote Holly Moore from the book Man Bites Dog. Holly, like myself prefers the minimal sausage because he doesn't think that "mixtures of flavors ought to be forced on a beautiful hot dog." The true hot dog is the product itself; the fancy ones are inauthentic. Hot dog establishments do this for several reasons. "One is that toppings can drive up the check so that you can sell a three dollar hot dog for five with junk on top of it. Second, the owner is not confident in just the hot dog and thinks that they have to do more to get any sales."

                                                                        What follows are my opinions on the haute dog trend. Warning: it's a pretty long rant you may want to skip.

                                                                        Not a fan of the trendy new "haute dogs". A hot dog is a simple unpretentious food. The focus should be on the meat and spices, not on esoteric junk that bored faux chefs use to amuse themselves and try to convince others how creative they are. These fancy pants ingredients detract from the frankfurter, which should be the focus of the experience. I can see them laughing at old school Jersey hot dog joints like Rutts Hut and Charlies Pool Room and questioning the manliness of these designer haute dogs. Or as a friend calls them, alternative lifestyle hot dogs. You don't buy a hot dog called a haute dog and you don't get it from a fancy chef. You get it from a guy in a tank top with hairy arms who is probably named Nick or Vinnie. Guys like this have sense enough not to use white truffle butter and duck foie gras.

                                                                        The hot dog is an icon and an important part of American culture. People don't want it messed with. Two unfortunate souls in New Jersey (the hot dog capital of the world) learned this lesson the hard way. They tried to bring the "haute dog" concept here with predictable results. After much hype and fanfare plus glorious reviews by the biased liberal media, the place was struck by lightning! A sure sign from above and a warning to cease their foolishness. They did not listen, and as a result their business died a slow miserable death. The guys were never heard from again.

                                                                        It was so bad that the rats and pigeons wouldn't even eat the left over scraps from the "haute dogs" that were in the dumpsters. Even rats and pigeons have standards!

                                                                        Contrast this to Rutt's Hut, an old school Jersey hot dog legend. You can't even get across the parking lot without encountering pigeons who are so bold that they try to take bites of hot dogs from people who are walking to their cars. These pigeons are so brazen that they routinely shake down rats for lunch money.

                                                                        Any faux "chef" would be appalled upon enetering this stronghold of American hot dogs. The decor hasn't changed since 1928. The only toppings you can get on your dogs would be mustard and Rutt's special relish. No kraut, no chili, no foie gras. If you ask, they not so politely tell you to go somewhere else. They stick to what made them a legend. Their loyal customers wouldn't stand for any frivolous changes. By the way, their relish is like no other and goes perfectly with their deep fried dogs. Created by an old German gentleman rather than some fancy pants "haute" chef. None other than the bambino himself, Babe Ruth, used to eat at Rutt's Hut.

                                                                        While todays "haute" ballplayers perform on steroids and amphetamines, the Babe, a true American hero, did it on hot dogs and beer from Rutt's Hut.

                                                                        I find articles like these amusing. And I realize there are people who like these things. I just enjoy poking fun at what I consider a pretentious trend. For me the frankfurter is what I'm looking to enjoy. When you have all these other things masking the flavor of the actual frank, you might as well use a cheap dog. I call these creations witness protection dogs because it's hard to determine their true identity. When I enjoyed a Roesller's dog at Rawley's some 11 years ago, I had it with mustard only. I focused on the taste, spicing, preparation, and how hot the dog was. Everything else is secondary. Today when you see a hot dog establishment reviewed, you rarely hear what brand is served, if it has a casing, if it's all beef or a beef/pork blend, how it's prepared, whether grilled, fried, heated in water, or some combination. Instead the focus is on the toppings and other secondary things such as cute nicknames for the different dogs. By and large, they have it backwards. If you don't start with a quality frank, it doesn't much matter what you do to it. If you do have a quality frank, it doesn't need more than a bare minimum of toppings that enhance rather than take away from the flavor of the hot dog. Not everything needs to be gussied up. I don't want a chef anywhere near my hot dog. With regards to hot dogs, less is definitely more.

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                                                                        1. re: hotdoglover

                                                                          Love your story. I also love a chili cheese dog. Is that a haute dog?

                                                                          1. re: Bkeats

                                                                            Forgot to hit Reply yesterday. Went to Mustard's Last Stand for my weekly hot dog indulgence. 3 specials and 59 different toppings and 3 types of dogs.

                                                                            1. re: INDIANRIVERFL

                                                                              You had this? Or is this just what's available?

                                                                              1. re: al b. darned

                                                                                I have a couple every week and have been going to the branch and the original store for over 20 years. Usually get the specials or a caseless MOR. Mustard, onions, and relish on a poppy seed bun.

                                                                        2. Ketchup needs to be added to #6. Harry Callahan said it best

                                                                          "Burly Detective: What do ya think, a gang hit, screwed-up drug score, unlucky John, or an unhappy love affair? Huh? Don't tell me this shit's gettin' to ya. Not Harry Callahan. Say it ain't so.
                                                                          Harry Callahan: No, this stuff isn't gettin' to me. The knifings, the beatings, old ladies being bashed in the head for their Social Security checks, teachers being thrown out of a fourth-floor window because they don't give As, that doesn't bother me a bit.
                                                                          Burly Detective: Come on, Harry. Take it easy.
                                                                          Harry Callahan: Or this job, either. Having to wade through the scum of this city, being swept away by bigger and bigger waves of corruption, apathy and red tape. Nah, that doesn't bother me. But you know what does bother me?
                                                                          Burly Detective: What?
                                                                          Harry Callahan: You know what makes me really sick to my stomach?
                                                                          Burly Detective: What?
                                                                          Harry Callahan: Is watching you stuff your face with those hot dogs. Nobody, I mean NOBODY puts ketchup on a hot dog. "

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                                                                            1. re: mike0989

                                                                              "Only mental patients put ketchup on hot dogs."--John Cheever, "The Wapshot Chronicles"

                                                                              1. re: flavrmeistr

                                                                                Well spoken by a man who should have been a mental patient …

                                                                                In the Owen family we never did put ketchup on the table or in the picnic basket for hamburgers, only mustard. My mom and I liked a little mustard along with the necessary ketchup on our hot dogs, so if we were going to roast weenies we'd bring a jar of French's just for the two weirdos. Over the passing of 50+ years I've left ketchup totally behind except for meatloaf and for Mrs. O when she wants it.

                                                                              2. re: mike0989

                                                                                My rule:
                                                                                mustard is for cured meats and cold cuts.
                                                                                Ketchup is for hot foods, like hamburgers and french fries.

                                                                                1. re: Sharuf

                                                                                  I never thought about it until reading your post, but...I believe you've nailed it!

                                                                              3. Who knew there were hot dog inspectors?

                                                                                1. This little video clip summarises your points succinctly, hdl:

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                                                                                    . I tried to tell her they are a healthy, well balanced meal containing bread, meat, vegetables, and potatoes
                                                                                    Yes, but when you add a couple of toppings and maybe a side of fries…

                                                                                    1. I've never actually *heard* any of the lies you mentioned save for No 1 (which I hear a lot) tho I've seen No.5 implied more than once.

                                                                                      As for No 6, nothing could be truer. I don't even care for hot dogs with crappy processed cheese food product mixed in. If I want a cheese dog I'll order a cheese dog. Yes, I know it's probably the same crappy processed cheese food product only in a molten state but somehow it tastes better that way.

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                                                                                      1. re: al b. darned

                                                                                        I make chili cheese dogs and there's no crappy processed cheese involved. Freshly grated sharp cheddar.

                                                                                        1. re: c oliver

                                                                                          When I shop at Costco, I'm nearly always compelled to buy the $1.50 Polish sausage and pop combo. I put mustard, onions an sauerkraut on it and enjoy. Nowhere else do I crave hotdogs, even from the ubiquitous vendors near sporting arenas. What is it about those Costco sausages? The price? They are tasty, though I guarantee that better quality sausages exist and hand-cut onions would likely be tastier than those industrial onions they put out in the condiments trays. Love the sauerkraut-onion-mustard combo, though. If they offered spicy, grainy brown mustard, I'd be thrilled. I don't love yellow mustard, but it does the trick on the Costco sausage.

                                                                                          1. re: 1sweetpea

                                                                                            My Costco has both yellow and brown mustard :)

                                                                                            1. re: 1sweetpea

                                                                                              That's how I lure my son on an after-school detour to Costco. I send him to get his dog and soda, while I shop for smoked salmon (theirs is delicious) and coconut water (very cheap). My rule is that he has to finish the hot dog in the store, because it smells horrible.

                                                                                              1. re: Isolda

                                                                                                which? the hot dog or the store smells horrible? ;)

                                                                                                1. re: hotoynoodle

                                                                                                  The hot dogs. I've no idea why. I think it may just be because they are a pork and beef combo, and I buy only all-beef for the house. My husband doesn't mind the Costco hot dog smell, so it might just be me.

                                                                                                  1. re: Isolda

                                                                                                    Both the Franks and the Polish are and have always been all-beef. No pork or Fillers.


                                                                                                    1. re: Isolda

                                                                                                      Costco was selling at their food counter, Hebrew National all beef dogs. They then switched to "Kirkland" brand, which is their "specially made for them hot dog"....Did I make the point?

                                                                                                      BTW..did you know that Costco Corporate is located in...you guessed it..Kirkland, Washington.

                                                                                          2. I work with some people who are originally from Maine. They get dewy eyed when they talk about red snappers. What the heck is a red snapper?

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                                                                                              1. re: MGZ

                                                                                                Heck, with all this wiener talk, it's a natural progression...Or was Patti funnin' us?

                                                                                                1. re: BiscuitBoy

                                                                                                  I'm serious. My boss used to rave about how good they were but how bad they were for you. Apparently no cook out was complete without the red snappers. Inquiring minds want to know!

                                                                                                  1. re: PattiCakes

                                                                                                    "Apparently no cook out was complete without the red snappers."

                                                                                                    Really???? Really???? You can't keep doin' this, Patti, or sooner or later I'm gonna have to turn to the blue material. Thanks for the chuckles, though.

                                                                                                    1. re: MGZ

                                                                                                      "I took a girl out fishin' once and she came back with a ..."

                                                                                                    2. re: PattiCakes

                                                                                                      They are just regular hot dogs with red food dye added.

                                                                                                      1. re: hotdoglover

                                                                                                        Thanks. Glad I finally got a real answer. I think I'll take a hiatus from Chowhound for a while. Not worth the aggravation.

                                                                                                        1. re: PattiCakes

                                                                                                          PattiCakes here is a link to one of my favorite food sites "seriouseats.com" that talks about the red snapper. I enjoyed the article and I hope you do as well. I love Chow for all the commentary but have learned some really neat cooking techniques from seriouseats various food labs.

                                                                                                          1. re: Firegoat

                                                                                                            Thanks for the link. I'll add this to my list of faves and explore!

                                                                                                            1. re: Firegoat

                                                                                                              Thanks for the link. I forgot that I had commented on the article. PattiCakes, there is good info here and in the comments especially regarding red hots.

                                                                                                            2. re: PattiCakes

                                                                                                              Aww, don't go away mad, PattiCakes. I used to love Johnny Red Hots...they were spicy and they sold 'em in a little stand outside Home Depot. It's been years and I don't know if they even make 'em anymore. They sound similar to your unfortunately named red snappers with a spicy twist. Always a treat back when.

                                                                                                              1. re: PattiCakes

                                                                                                                Patti I've got to tell you I've been around the block a time or two, but I've never EVER heard of a Red Snapper Hot Dog.

                                                                                                                When you started asking "What the heck is a red snapper" there are many other innuendo's for what is a "red snapper", that are far more commonly known, than a hot dog.

                                                                                                                The "boys" were having a bit of a laugh because the assumption for them, as for myself, was some of the innuendo for a "red snapper" rather than the actual answer.

                                                                                                                Do be mad.....we were just under the wrong assumption. Sorry.

                                                                                                                1. re: jrvedivici

                                                                                                                  I'm still fifteen sometimes . . . .

                                                                                                                  1. re: MGZ

                                                                                                                    INDIANRIVERFL also known as "The Eternal Teenager".

                                                                                                                    1. re: INDIANRIVERFL

                                                                                                                      Mrs Z say's she'd call the cops if she ever got into bed and the man next to her didn't have some kinda scab or bruise. Some folks have that faulty gene. You just still need to play.

                                                                                                                      By the way, you ever listen to that '74 Buffet concert I linked for ya? It's really cool. I gotta felling it'll make you happy.

                                                                                                                      1. re: MGZ

                                                                                                                        My corgi loves summer because I'm convinced she is a vampire. I always have scrapes and cuts on my legs from hiking, biking, caching or the like. Always knocking a scab open and suddenly from nowhere a corgi appears and is licking my leg. Kind of creepy I guess. Saves on banddaids.

                                                                                                    3. I am searching for a good quality LOW SALT Hotdog. Does it exist?

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                                                                                                      1. re: windward

                                                                                                        Salt is a pretty important part of a hot dog, unfortunately.

                                                                                                        1. re: coll

                                                                                                          Best Provisions makes a quality low salt frank. Unfortunately it is hard to find. If you're in or near N.J. you can get it at the plant.

                                                                                                          1. re: hotdoglover

                                                                                                            They might want to contact Grand Kosher provisions, located on Grand & Berry Street, Brooklyn NY...They have a variety of low , no/no dogs

                                                                                                      2. With regard to #8, the special chili, in Rhode Island the "New York System" hot wiener purveyors usually make their own meat sauce, but it is seldom a secret. They'll post the recipe on their website.

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                                                                                                        1. re: GraydonCarter

                                                                                                          Most stands will boast of their "homemade" chili, but it usually consists of a combo of canned chili, some extra chopped meat and a handful of ordinary spices. Technically homemade, even though also technically against health codes!

                                                                                                            1. re: Gastronomos

                                                                                                              You can't live with 'em and you can't live without 'em!

                                                                                                              1. re: coll

                                                                                                                since they differ from place to place I've been told, what is the "against health codes" part?

                                                                                                                1. re: Gastronomos

                                                                                                                  There are strict codes for the truck itself, and other rules for the handlers, depending on where the vending site is located. I only know Suffolk County NY but they are probably tied to the rest of NY state for the most part. Every county of every state has some kind of code that must be adhered to. I'm not familiar with Rhode Island, sad to say. Sorry!

                                                                                                                  Read through some of this if you have the time. http://www.health.ny.gov/regulations/...
                                                                                                                  Most carts do the bare minimum, and you can't blame them. You can get a few bad write ups from the authorities, and you have time to correct things, if you fail. But it would take all your time just to be in 100% compliance. The health inspectors are out there, day and night, checking up on things. Not saying it's a bad thing, but it takes some of the thrill out of it, for sure.

                                                                                                                  Basically what I meant is, yeah homemade sounds good but people making the chili and onions in their own kitchen at home is strictly forbidden. That doesn't mean it isn't done of course. Every day of the week as a matter of fact!

                                                                                                                  1. re: coll

                                                                                                                    oh. I see. I know the home kitchen part. most trucks I know use their home (kitchen, garage, shed...)to prep nearly everything...

                                                                                                                    I thought it was the "combo of canned chili, some extra chopped meat and a handful of ordinary spices." that was the issue. I mean, like, canned chili doctored up is standard practice...

                                                                                                                    1. re: Gastronomos

                                                                                                                      Sorry, but it has to be done in an inspected, approved kitchen. Even if you're just opening up the can of chili by itself. Not that it means it make it automatically pristine, but that's the way the law is written. To approve a home kitchen would be prohibitive, expense wise, and is seldom done. If you were worried, you could rent out a bar kitchen in the morning, or a VFW hall. But that doesn't happen as often as it should. I myself have never gotten sick, but if that's a concern, it's something to think about.

                                                                                                                      1. re: coll

                                                                                                                        So I guess RI doesn't have a cottage food law.

                                                                                                                        I wonder if this (sauce) is covered in The California Homemade Food Act, AB1616?

                                                                                                                        1. re: GraydonCarter

                                                                                                                          I'm so used to NY's over the top laws that I can't imagine anything else. Looking forward to hearing otherwise.

                                                                                                                          OK just googled cottage laws and I am shocked and awed to say the least. Very interesting!

                                                                                                            2. re: coll

                                                                                                              Or as Sandra Lee says..."Semi-homemade"

                                                                                                          1. There have been numerous efforts by restauranteurs to open hot dog locations in Kansas City (sorry can't quite call them restaurants, what do you call that? purveyors maybe). Over the last decade, I have watched many fail swiftly, some with a lot of investment (I pay attention to this kind of thing, hey, it's a hobby). However here's one now which seems to be making it, for almost three years now. I ate there once, and concluded that it was twice as good as the Quik-Trip gas station dogs next door but also twice as expensive. But since I drive by it every day on my commute, I've sort of noted the parking lot traffic, and it seems to grow month by month at my drive-by time between 7 and 9 pm. So they must be doing something right. It's in a suburban location, perhaps this helps. Other attempts have been in the more urban parts of our local sprawl. I believe the name is New York Dawg Pound. I previously believed that with all the good bbq, KC residents just would not eat enough hot dogs to keep a vendor in business, but I guess I was wrong.

                                                                                                            1. My personal biggest wiener lie;

                                                                                                              " I've got a foot-long"

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                                                                                                                  1. re: kattyeyes

                                                                                                                    You know the real reason why Princess Diana left Prince Charles?

                                                                                                                    She thought all rulers had 12 inches !!!

                                                                                                                  2. re: jrvedivici

                                                                                                                    She wouldn't know it's a lie until she is pretty well committed, but then you got some splainin' to do....

                                                                                                                      1. re: kattyeyes

                                                                                                                        "Darlin', that pool was cold. And deep, too."

                                                                                                                    1. re: jrvedivici

                                                                                                                      Another big lie via Freud: sometimes a hot dog is just a hot dog....NOT!

                                                                                                                    2. With regards to #6......I beg to differ for this one exception.

                                                                                                                      The Brisket Hot Dog

                                                                                                                      Smoked Natural Casing Sabrett with Chopped Brisket of Beef @ The RoundUp Texas BBQ


                                                                                                                      1. Pink slime in a plastic tube. And that's no lie.

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                                                                                                                        1. re: Querencia

                                                                                                                          For what it's worth, it's natural casing (intestines) not plastic.

                                                                                                                        2. It was about a hundred years ago, but I once ran a hot dog restaurant (Hot Diggity Dog on M Street in Georgetown, long gone). Back in the late 1970s, in less than a year, we sold a million dollars worth of "gourmet" hot dogs. The original owner, Jason Wolin, did spend a lot of time tasting and searching for a hot dog to use, but he never considered making it himself. He finally settled on a 100% beef kosher dog from Samuel Sandler Kosher Sausage Manufacturing Co. in Philadelphia (closed sometime in the 1980's, I think). Our "gourmet" image was based on the quality of the dog and the toppings. It was a very good garlicky hot dog with a snappy casing. I have found that the Boar's Head hot dog tastes quite similar, if my memory is correct. As far as toppings went, we did make our chili from scratch, in house, although we did use good quality canned beans in the recipe. I was told that the recipe came from Jimmy's, a Capitol Hill diner/lunch counter spot known for its chili, its submarine sandwiches, and the fact that it was a favorite haunt of Justice William O. Douglas, who often took his clerks and staff there for lunch on Saturdays. Wolin, after he sold HDD, opened a French-inspired white tablecloth restaurant, 209 1/2, in the Jimmy's space, and went on to open a slew of restaurants over the years, only to retire into the real estate business. The most "gourmet" hot dog I can recall from the HDD lineup was the "Julia Child" - a dog on a steamed poppy seed bun with Dijon mustard, chopped raw onion, sliced raw mushrooms, topped with Swiss cheese and a slice of tomato, broiled briefly under a salamander. Perhaps unusual for the time, but hardly outre in a culinary sense. Although it was a big seller, I did not like the combination.

                                                                                                                          I think hotdoglover has compiled a brilliant list, and I wholly agree with his points.

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                                                                                                                          1. re: RKaplan

                                                                                                                            I remember Hot Diggity! Those were some good hotdogs, especially after hitting the rock and roll bars on M Street. Thanks for the memories, Mr. Kaplan.