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sandylc Jun 14, 2013 08:20 PM

I don't like it. Sue me. Any ideas for substitutes?

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    roro808 Jun 17, 2013 02:50 AM

    Fish sauce is essential to Thai/Laotian/Vietnamese as shrimp paste is to other asian dishes, as strong reggiano parmigiano cheese in italian dishes (which I can't stand either...). To substitute these essentials would be OK, but not as good and tasty. You can substitute fish sauce with amino acids mixed with dried shrimp?

    1. Candy Jun 16, 2013 09:18 PM

      salt

      1. chefj Jun 16, 2013 11:04 AM

        Japanese White Soy Sauce would add the Salt and some of the Umami of the Fish Sauce with out coloring like other Shoyu. You could also use a very strong Dashi to boost the Umami along with the Shiro Shoyu.
        You will not achieve the same flavor as you would from Fish Sauce.

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          cheesemonger Jun 15, 2013 03:46 PM

          About a year ago, I would have agreed with this statement, and would have added that fish sauce smells and tastes like rotten fish squeezins. blech.

          But, I've since found Red Boat Fish sauce, and while I still don't add as much as most recipes want, I find that I like the smell and the flavor and what it adds to a dish.

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            Frizzle Jun 15, 2013 01:48 PM

            There's a recipe for vegan fish sauce here: http://www.thekitchn.com/recipe-vegan...

            I haven't tried it as I love fish sauce but I had bookmarked the recipe for a potential vegan dinner party for friends.

            1. C. Hamster Jun 15, 2013 01:33 PM

              There is no good sub.

              And Thai food without it wouldn't taste very good.

              It's pretty much an essential ingredient.

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                youareabunny Jun 15, 2013 06:34 AM

                Thai food without fish sauce isn't good Thai food. Proper ventilation, high heat, and pouring the fish sauce at arm's length over aromatics should help.

                1. paulj Jun 14, 2013 09:14 PM

                  You don't like Thai food that uses it (which is nearly all of it)? Or you don't like the smell when first poured into a dish?

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                    sandylc Jun 14, 2013 09:35 PM

                    You might have something here. I am sure I eat it in Thai take-out food; but if I try to use it at home the nasty old fishy thing overwhelms me.

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                      paulj Jun 14, 2013 09:47 PM

                      What brand(s) have you tried? They vary in how strong the funky smell is.

                      The first I tried is an inexpensive Lucky brand, which turned out to be pretty mild. I've tried some others (e.g. 3 crab) but have come back to Lucky. I did recently find a much more expensive brand, Red Boat, that others have raved about, but I haven't tasted it yet.

                      http://gastronomyblog.com/2011/04/05/...

                      1. re: sandylc
                        Chemicalkinetics Jun 15, 2013 06:03 AM

                        < I am sure I eat it in Thai take-out food; but if I try to use it at home the nasty old fishy thing overwhelms me.>

                        Then sounds to me that you have a separate problem. Maybe something is wrong with your fish sauce. Is it fresh?

                        1. re: Chemicalkinetics
                          greygarious Jun 15, 2013 12:15 PM

                          Fish sauce stinks, but it is one of those ingredients that tastes a lot different than it smells. OP probably just needs to get past that. Don't inhale when you pour, and even with the final cooked dish, don't sniff it, eat it! Fish sauce keeps for a long time unrefrigerated, even longer chilled. Eventually it crystallizes. I use Tiparos because that's what the Frugal Gourmet recommended back in the days when Thai restaurants were a rarity in most of America. More recently I learned that it's got less sodium than other brands, which is also a plus in my book.

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                            Chemicalkinetics Jun 16, 2013 11:09 AM

                            That is a good explanation. Maybe the OP just does not like the smell DURING the cooking phase.

                        2. re: sandylc
                          Bada Bing Jun 15, 2013 06:29 AM

                          The smell is strong when freshly poured but moderates a lot with cooking.

                          If you are noticing an off smell after a dish is cooked, then you're almost certainly using too much--a little goes a long way with fish sauce. Are you following a recipe?

                          The primary context in which one encounters uncooked fish sauce is in combination with other ingredients such as lime juice, sugar, water and assorted aromatics and herbs in a dipping sauce. That also should smell and taste balanced rather than fishy-funky.

                          1. re: sandylc
                            chefj Jun 16, 2013 10:59 AM

                            You definitely eat it in your Thai take-out food.

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                              Joebob Jun 16, 2013 06:44 PM

                              And Vietnamese.

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                          sedimental Jun 14, 2013 08:50 PM

                          I would just leave it out then.

                          I like fish sauce just fine in Asian style dishes but can't stand anchovies in anything ;)

                          Umami subs for fish sauce in Thai dishes might be MSG, mushroom or shrimp powder.

                          1. inaplasticcup Jun 14, 2013 08:21 PM

                            In what dish? :)

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                              sandylc Jun 14, 2013 08:27 PM

                              Thai-ish stuff?

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                                Chemicalkinetics Jun 15, 2013 06:02 AM

                                Hmmm.... fish sauce is essential to some dishes. Or I should say that fish sauce has a certain unique favor which help to distinguishes the Vietnamese and Thai dishes from others.

                                Without knowing your specific dishes, I would say the closest substitutions are soy sauce, Maggi and/or shrimp paste.

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