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Good Source for Flatware?

kaleokahu May 20, 2013 02:10 PM

Aloha Kakou:

It's time to upgrade my flatware. I'm looking for a good (and hopefully affordable) source for quality stainless flatware. Most interested in simple, clean, classic patterns in a larger dinner size and with heft--like you'd expect in a nice restaurant.

Someone awhile back posted a link to a good website, but I can't find it now.


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    INDIANRIVERFL RE: kaleokahu May 21, 2013 05:50 AM

    From personal experience, I can heartily recommend

    It has wonderful heft and maintains a wonderful lustre after decades of dishwasher cleansing. A friend had the Michaelangelo design, or similar, and it was used daily. I acknowledge it wasn't handcrafted by gnomes in Sweden, or under the mountain by trolls in Germany, but it looked great on the table and had a marvelous weight in the hand.

    I use the past tense as he sold it to his sister in San Francisco. New wife, new flatware.

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      laraffinee RE: kaleokahu May 21, 2013 06:08 AM

      Ditto on the Oneida site. I got mine there over 20 years ago (Juilliard pattern) and it is just wonderful. It has nice heft and length to it and the quality of the stainless is excellent. I recently added another set of 12 so I can have 24 place settings for buffets and bigger parties and the recent quality seems to be the same as the older ones I have, so it doesn't seem to have suffered the fate of some companies that ship out somewhere and then come back a pale version of the original. They have really good sales too.

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        Jerseygirl111 RE: kaleokahu May 21, 2013 09:36 AM

        Beware that the Oneida is not the same as it was 20 years ago (what is, right?). But I have the cheapie True Rose 18/0 not the better 18/10 or 18/8. Last year I ordered additional spoons and forks and they are lighter, no longer made in USA (Vietnam) and two spoons out of eight had defects in the bowl.

        OTOH, they don't bend out of shape, discolor or break. They serve their purpose.

        European flatware is larger and heavier, might want to look into that.

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          kaleokahu RE: Jerseygirl111 May 21, 2013 09:51 AM

          Thanks. I do want to focus on the Euro stuff...

          [Edit: It was this site that someone linked to awhile back: http://www.silversuperstore.com/conti... ]

        2. paulj RE: kaleokahu May 21, 2013 09:54 AM

          How about a restaurant supply store? (e.g. the one in Shoreline on 99)


          looks like they mainly carry Oneida

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            sr44 RE: kaleokahu May 21, 2013 09:55 AM

            How about Crate&Barrel? I got a really nice simple, modern set from them some years ago.

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              ferret RE: sr44 May 21, 2013 02:52 PM

              We've had our Crate and Barrell flatware for several years and it will plainly last decades. Solid stuff. I'd also check TJ Maxx/Marshall's. They occasionally have boxed sets of very nice quality flatware at great prices. As with anything they sell, you need to check frequently.

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                juliejulez RE: sr44 May 23, 2013 09:46 AM

                I bought my flatware at CB2, which is owned by Crate & Barrel. I have this set: http://www.cb2.com/20-piece-pattern-4... and I love it, very durable and still looks great after a number of moves and dishwasher use. For $100 for 8 place settings I've been very pleased. I now just use it for fancier occasions since we use my SO's stuff for every day.

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                  Isolda RE: sr44 May 23, 2013 10:52 AM

                  The problem with Crate and Barrel is that they don't carry the same patterns year after year, so you might have trouble finding a piece if you need to replace it. This may not matter as much with unbreakable stuff like flatware, but it sure did matter with our wine glasses. :(

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                    sr44 RE: Isolda May 27, 2013 06:36 AM

                    Yes, that's a problem. Thank God for eBay.

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                  GH1618 RE: kaleokahu May 21, 2013 10:07 AM

                  I have a few pieces of Ginkgo which I like very much:


                  You can find some current deals on Ginkgo at Overstock.com:


                  1. wekick RE: kaleokahu May 21, 2013 12:24 PM

                    Some things I considered(truthfully my mother told me to think about) when acquiring my flatware were that it would be open stock so I could replace pieces as neccessary and have a satin or some type of finish that would accept a patina gracefully. She thought it was important to have a serrated edge on the table knife so it would really cut. She was a very practical person and it was good advice. It is easier now with Ebay to acquire extras of flatware, especially if the pattern is no longer made, that came in sets vs open stock than it used to be.

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                      Candy RE: wekick May 23, 2013 10:44 AM

                      Check out Replacements Ltd. They are on line of course. They handle thousands of patterns, china, crystal, flatware. They have anything for table top. I started selling to them when they were getting established. I went to work for a company that had loads of discontinued dinnerware stashed in the basement. They did not know what to do with it. We found it a good home and made a lot of people happy.

                      If you are ever in High Point, NC be sure to stop in and check out the store. There are some amazing tabletop items.

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                      INDIANRIVERFL RE: kaleokahu May 21, 2013 02:17 PM

                      Don't like the gnomes as the pewter style ware has a nasty habit of breaking. I do not know if this is from poor design or metallurgy. Skan design always seems lite in the hand.

                      WMF of Germany is widely acknowledged as a major source of quality flatware. I do not recommend the bronze with rosewood handles. Beautiful, but tarnishes.

                      You could jump a flight and go direct to my favorite department store Kaufhof, or rival Karstadt.

                      Have fun.

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                        iyc_nyc RE: INDIANRIVERFL May 24, 2013 06:01 AM

                        I have some WMF and I don't believe their flatware sold here is made in Germany anymore (as mine weren't..). The pieces I have -- several serving sets -- are fairly thin and flimsy, compared to my other [non-WMF] flatware (although not so flimsy that they bend).

                        I otherwise am a WMF fan though (own several of their pressure cookers and other items). It seems like they are trying to build a bigger market here in the US.

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                          Candy RE: iyc_nyc May 25, 2013 01:37 PM

                          I was very surprised to see that a number of the WMF kitchen tools are made in China. Be careful. I've had Towle Beaded Antique for at least 35 years. It was made in Germany. I needed to replace some knives. I ordered and when they arrived there was a visible difference with what I have and what I ordered. The new knives were made in China.

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                            kaleokahu RE: Candy May 25, 2013 09:19 PM

                            Hi, Candy: "WMF...The new knives were made in China."

                            Tell me about it. I once had 6 Waterford Lismore "Roly-Poly" crystal glasses for cocktails (now 3 left). You can still buy them, but what you get is Polish-made, and do not stand up to a comparison with the Irish-made originals. Like Diogenes, I search endlessly for new old-stock.


                            PS: Have you seen the latest flatware offerings from Restoration Hardware? I have not handled them, but some RH stylist is paying attention...

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                        ziggylu RE: kaleokahu May 22, 2013 09:00 PM

                        I have a set of Dansk I've been using daily since 1998 and they are still in good shape - no bending, pitting etc. Still shiny. Nice heft. They go in the dishwasher daily too. I hadn't really thought much about it but now that I do, I'm actually really impressed with how they've held up.

                        Styles are a little more contemporary http://www.dansk.com/flatware?N=1370&...

                        (I have the Rondure)

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                          happybaker RE: ziggylu May 22, 2013 09:19 PM

                          I have to second Dansk.

                          I have mine, which I got for my wedding over 20 years ago. Still beautiful.

                          But even more importantly, I just inherited my mom's (same pattern as mine) from her wedding in the late 1950's. Except where the disposal got them, the pieces are DANDY.

                          So not cheap per place setting (you'll pay between $35 or $50, depending on where you but) but the quality is fab and it LASTS.

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                          Isolda RE: kaleokahu May 23, 2013 10:50 AM

                          I use Replacements.com to buy stainless: http://www.replacements.com/showroom/...

                          They carry almost any brand you can think of, and just about every style. They also have very good prices. Our pattern was discontinued, and while I was happy to just look for a new one, my husband wasn't, so I was able to replace the missing or battered pieces thru Replacements.

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                            sueatmo RE: kaleokahu May 23, 2013 03:49 PM

                            Spend time at Silver Superstore, online. http://www.silversuperstore.com/

                            I bought flatware there about 2 years ago, and I was very pleased with everything. I sent for several pieces before I decided. I paid no shipping or tax. Everything was done as expected.

                            The prices are very competitive.

                            Here is the pattern I chose: http://www.silversuperstore.com/yamaz...

                            I got so much help from posters on Chowhound, and I learned so much from their posts. I want to wish you happy hunting.

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                              kaleokahu RE: sueatmo May 23, 2013 04:43 PM

                              Thanks, Sue:

                              I really like the Ascot pattern by Ricci.


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                                happybaker RE: kaleokahu May 23, 2013 08:28 PM

                                That is a lovely pattern!

                                Wandering the website, I found Towle Magnum, very pretty as well - and on sale.



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                                  sueatmo RE: happybaker May 23, 2013 08:59 PM

                                  I like this too. Very simple but it looks like it would fit into one's hand very nicely.

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                                    kaleokahu RE: happybaker May 23, 2013 09:53 PM

                                    Hi, HB:

                                    You know, that pattern is very pretty. I like "machined" looking things. But I once had a set that featured 3-tine forks, and before I junked them, that feature *really* made my but chew gum. Can't go that route again...


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                                      law_doc89 RE: kaleokahu May 28, 2013 06:01 PM


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                                        INDIANRIVERFL RE: law_doc89 Jun 10, 2013 11:10 AM

                                        This would be great for multitasking on the boat. Add a hook, and I can use them to both catch and eat the fish. :-)

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                                    sueatmo RE: kaleokahu May 23, 2013 08:58 PM

                                    Well, obviously you have good taste! It is a beautiful pattern.

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                                      kaleokahu RE: sueatmo May 23, 2013 10:06 PM

                                      Yeah, well, Sue, sometimes I wish I were less tasteful. That pattern is about $75 per place setting. I bit tonight on 4 settings to try it out. But at this stage in my life, I want something nice.

                                      After 20 years, I'm just really tired of ultra-light, bendy, and tiny flatware. Wahine and I also have a 4 setting set of really good sterling, so we debated the merits of investing in more (and just using it every day) vs. new top-quality SS. The sterling--Steiff Old Maryland--is SO outrageously expensive I would never enjoy shelling out thousands of dollars to make it 8 settings. That's the cost of a decent used car!


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                                        sueatmo RE: kaleokahu May 25, 2013 02:23 PM

                                        Oh, I know that sterling pattern! I have the old Kirk Repousse.

                                        I understand totally about wanting nice flatware. I was so happy to get rid of my old Oneida stuff. I love my new flatware. Except that if I want really clean knife blades, I have to hand wash them. Other than that, its all good.

                                        Happy eating!

                                2. alarash RE: kaleokahu May 26, 2013 11:51 PM

                                  I saw these at Heath Ceramics a couple of months ago. They're made by David Mellor, and I, too, love them for their machined look, especially the "London" and "Minimal". They ain't cheap, though.


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                                    kaleokahu RE: alarash May 27, 2013 07:52 AM

                                    Hi, alarash:

                                    Thanks, my friend. Are any of his patterns Continental-sized?


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                                      INDIANRIVERFL RE: kaleokahu May 27, 2013 10:31 AM

                                      No mention of steak knives?

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                                        kaleokahu RE: INDIANRIVERFL May 27, 2013 01:06 PM

                                        Hi, Indianriver:

                                        No, I wish. You can get steak knives in Ricci Ascot, but they are spendy--about $35 a copy. As are the rest of the serving pieces.

                                        I have a half-finished set of 8 steak knives waiting for scales, and I still have the pipe dream of finishing them. So I'm going to hold off on the matching Ascot ones...


                                  2. girloftheworld RE: kaleokahu May 28, 2013 05:47 PM

                                    my first stop is always TuesdayMornings I have found amazing deals there. I found aMauviel Copper sauce pan there and Zwilling J.A. Henckels Flatware

                                    1. law_doc89 RE: kaleokahu May 28, 2013 05:52 PM

                                      Not sure exactly what you want. There is designer stainless that rivals sterling in cost. Clean, classic? Dansk Odin is the bet, but just not sure what you want. Cheap and durable? Check Nisbets for restaurant/hotel. Please say more.

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                                        kaleokahu RE: law_doc89 May 28, 2013 08:41 PM

                                        Hi, LD:

                                        No, I want nice stuff this time, so not cheap for cheap's sake.

                                        I already decided on Ricci Ascot. http://www.silversuperstore.com/ricci... What learned I wantED was:

                                        --classic, subtle pattern
                                        --18/10 stainless
                                        --not likely to be discontinued
                                        --good selection of less-common and specialty pieces

                                        It came down to Ricci Ascot and Couzon's Le Perle. http://www.silversuperstore.com/couzo...

                                        Are you serious about Dansk Odin? With respect, I'd consider that pattern one of the ugliest I've ever seen (although the "fishin'" one you pointed out above comes close). I find the Odin spork hideous...

                                        I'll check out Nisbets, though. Thanks.


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                                          law_doc89 RE: kaleokahu May 28, 2013 10:48 PM

                                          Jens Quistgaard

                                          Interesting. Jens Quistgaard
                                          Is a seminal designer of the mid 20th.

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                                            kaleokahu RE: law_doc89 May 29, 2013 07:09 AM

                                            Hi, LD:

                                            Yes, interesting. Even seminal designers (4,000+ designs for Ted Nierenberg alone) have a few clunkers.

                                            I like Quistgard's Tjorn pattern for Dansk, and his Champagne sterling for O.V. Mogensen. I can even appreciate Fjord in a way. But Odin is, IMO, just listless in form. Food falls off the forks' tines, and the "screwdriver tip" knife is an abomination. I think by 1973, when Odin was created, Quistgard was somewhat played out.


                                      2. JerryMe RE: kaleokahu May 29, 2013 12:46 PM

                                        I picked some flatware up at a Restaurant Supply store locally, for my son and I can say that I'm disappointed in the heft. They won't last long.

                                        I also saw sets at my local Costco and was impressed with the heft and the price. Not much more than the Supply store. I've had good luck with all of Costco's products and their return policy is great if you're not happy.

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