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May 16, 2013 06:34 AM

"4 Kinds" in Chinatown?

Does anyone have a recommendation for new restaurants of what we called "4 kinds" in Hong Kong--places that have congee, rice dishes, noodles, and rice noodles (粥 飯 麵 粉)? They almost invariably have roast meats in the window. NY Noodletown is basically one and is very good, but I am looking for new ones.

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  1. Have you tried Cha Chang Tang on Mott?

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    1. re: Chandavkl

      cha chang tang on mott isn't what he's talking about, cha chang teng is a play on a cha can ting, which means tea house food basically which is a fairly specific type of place

      what swanee is talking about is the place the BBQ places with stuff hanging in the window and they almost always say 粥 飯 麵 粉 (zhou fan mian fen) which means congee, rice, noodle, noodle (fen actually means powder, but its referring to noodles)

      ipsedixit - there are lots (probably one of NY's stronger points particularly congee), but they are not made the same

      swanee -
      - NY Noodletown is the best
      - Hing Huang, which used to be Wing Huang @ 111 lafayette has pretty decent congee, but their BBQ is just ok
      - hoy wong - i have heard their BBQ is good, but its been so long since ive been there that i dont remember
      - wah fung: this place is extremely popular with locals and is a take out only joint, but i like their cha siu and i've probably gotten more positive on this place since i wrote this. their marinade is the best cha siu marinade in NY
      - big wong: i used to think it was on par with NY Noodletown, but i feel its quality has declined a bit, but its another place
      - bo ky: while it is technically a 粥 飯 麵 粉, its obviously a chiu chow restaurant (via vietnamese-chinese chiu chow people), but its probably one of the better restaurants in ctown if you know what you're ordering
      - east corner: has pretty good duck

      1. re: Lau

        I know Cha Chang Tang doesn't have roast meats, but it does have the other items, And OP was asking for new restaurants.

        1. re: Chandavkl

          yah i was just pointing out that Cha Chan Tang is really HK cafe / cha can ting style food as opposed to 粥 飯 麵 粉 style food

        2. re: Lau

          Nice run-down Lau.

          Wasn't really targeting Hing Huang for any particular reason, other than that it was close and convenient to where I needed to be later in the morning.

          1. re: ipsedixit

            well hing huang's congee is actually fairly decent, so you picked a decent spot for that; i eat there every once in a while.

            NY Noodletown: forgot to put the link up for my review; the only thing i will say is that the place is inconsistent and i think its gotten more so over time. i talk about it with the cha siu, but ive noticed it more recently where like sometimes i think its quite good and others i find it mediocre. i do like their congee alot though and its almost more consistent

            Noodle Village: i forgot to mention this, while it doesnt have shao la (BBQ's meats) its got all the other 粥 飯 麵 粉 food and im finding their quality to be better. Also get their homemade spicy fish balls and fried dumplings, they're really good. i need to write an updated report

          2. re: Lau

            Weird, I could have sworn I replied to this thread but it's not here. Anyways, have you been to New Wong on East Broadway? It's been around a long time and is painted a shade of shocking pink inside but somehow is easy to miss from the street. I think it's one of the better roast meat concerns in Chinatown.


            1. re: Peter Cuce

              Peter Cuce - ahhh interesting, i actually have never been to that place and i walk by it all the time, ill def give it a try!

              Swanee - besides the cambodian noodles (don't forget to ask for "mee pok" + soup on side + add good amt of chili oil / vinegar yourself) and country style duck, the shrimp balls (a old school teochew dish called hae chor in teochew) and the satay noodles (i think this is their version of satay bee hoon which you can find in singapore and malaysia) are also good

            2. re: Lau

              Thanks! I'll go ASAP to bo ky, where I ordered foolishly years ago. Also want to try hoy wong.

              1. re: swannee

                What did you order? Everything I've had there has been good.

                1. re: Pan

                  I cn't remember exactly, but it was Vietnamese.

          3. Aren't there lots of places like that?

            First one that comes to mind is Hing Huang, simply b/c I'm having breakfast there right now. Shouldn't every morning start with a big bowl of congee (with 1000-year old eggs, conpoy, and pickled radishes) while watching CCTV?

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            1. re: ipsedixit

              Hmmmm. Sixth name variation in about 10 years.

              1. re: Chandavkl

                their chinese name never changes, but yah i think this place changes its english name more than any other chinese restaurant in ctown haha

                1. re: Lau

                  Why stop there? The entire United States!

                  1. re: Chandavkl

                    haha maybe!

                    do you have any idea why they actually do that? ive heard its bc of tax reasons, but idk i mean i figured the IRS would catch on to something like that?

                    1. re: Lau

                      Mostly when ownership changes hands, an English name change prevents any old vendors from showing up with possible unpaid invoices.

                        1. re: Lau

                          I should have added, possibly fake invoices as well!

              1. re: scoopG

                The menupages site for East Corner Wonton says it is closed. Can anyone confirm this?

                1. re: swannee

                  It was open when I went by a couple of weeks ago. Yelp doesn't indicate it being closed. Why not give them a call?

                  1. re: swannee

                    I just ate there for lunch yesterday (Saturday). Very much not closed and in business. I basically don't trust any Yelp / internet things about Chinatown restaurants, according to Yelp Henan Flavor is closed too (which it is not, it just changed its name).

                    ECW is my favorite of the cha siu restaurants. The mustache guy is probably the coolest waiter in Chinatown. Eating there feels like being in a Wong Kar Wai movie.

                    1. re: pravit

                      Actually, it was more than a name change at the former Henan Flavor on Forsyth Street. Mr Wang sold it to some Fujianese buyers in order to concentrate on his Flushing place, which he expanded. He then spent a week showing the new owners the ropes.

                      1. re: pravit

                        Just because Yelp might sometimes be wrong doesn't mean it always is. It can be a helpful indicator when combined with other information. In this case it was correct. Since, unlike Menupages, it's based primarily on input from everyday people, I think it tends to be more correct, the same way Foursquare is. I often submit corrections to both myself.

                        1. re: Peter Cuce

                          yah i find yelp pretty useful, i often submit if a restaurant is actually closed or not

                          i mean any single review on yelp can be horribly wrong or misinformed, but i find that when you see a ton of reviews saying the same thing they generally tend to be more right than wrong