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I am very disappointed that CH allows profanity on it's site. Hopefully it just slipped through on the thread about ice cream bars.

  1. It's always been allowed, AFAIK. Though not if it's directed at other posters (you can curse, but you can't curse me off).

    1. l actually find it refreshing that very little is censored on the site. As long as you follow the few rules, the mods leave you to it. Seems more adult to let you be you.

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      1. re: Delucacheesemonger

        I agree - it allows adults to talk the way adults talk -- it's good.

        1. re: sunshine842

          That's the point. We may have to type to do it, but this Site is talk, not text (in the book sense).

          As a courtesy to others, I'll substitute an asterisk for the vowels in "f*ck" and "sh*t", but that's the way I speak - that's the way I post. It's a conversation, after all.

          1. re: MGZ

            'As a courtesy to others, I'll substitute an asterisk for the vowels in "f*ck" '

            Me too, but there have been times that I wanted to remove that asterisk!

            Randy. . My Ice Cream Bar post started your post...I only saw one F word from a beloved poster..and me, I wrote 'kick ass'..sorry if I offended you.

            1. re: MGZ

              I never understood that. As if the asterisk made the word somehow different? More palatable?

              What's the fucking point? Just like bleeping swearwords on TV. Really, I have *no idea* what that person could've possibly said b/c you bleeped out a syllable.

              (Funny how they always end up bleeping out the 'god' part in 'goddamned' -- you'd figure that's the "good" part of the word. Silly.)

              1. re: linguafood

                Lingua, my friend, you're absolutely right. I started doin' that asterisk thing in the 90s and it became habit. You've convinced me to never do that shit again. I mean, I offend somebody, in one way or another, most every day here, no?

                1. re: linguafood

                  The asterisk thing comes from the fact that if a person's e-mail or a web site is programmed to pick up on a list of curses, when an asterisk is substituted the program will not pick it up.

                  Of course this is my layman's explanation of a techy thing. But you get it.

                  1. re: ttoommyy

                    I see. I thought it was along the lines of people writing g_d instead of god, which I chalk/ed up to superstition or the idea that writing *god* instead would offend _someone_ (and I'm positively sure it does).

                    1. re: linguafood

                      I'm going back in memory here and paraphrasing greatly, but g-d is abbreviated on paper because paper is disposable and you wouldn't want to throw g-d away.

                      As to filters and asterisks within curse words, ttoommyy is right as I found out when I sent myself a funny message from work with colorful language FROM MY BOSS (referring to us as bitches, in a joking way, of course). Funny. It was "quarantined."

                  2. re: linguafood

                    I think the asterisk thing started because it's the way to get around the moderation that exists on other boards.

                    Type "shit" on many boards - and you see "#$@%*%" when you post your comment.

                    Type "sh*t" - and you see "sh*t" - and everyone knows exactly which expletive you intended to use.

                2. re: sunshine842

                  Yet we're moderated as if we are not adults. The hypocrisy is annoying.

                  1. re: carolinadawg

                    "Yet we're moderated as if we are not adults."

                    Because sometimes we act like children...very badly behaved ones at that.

                    1. re: Servorg

                      When I said so here earlier my comment was deleted. I didn't use a single profanity while doing so but my remark was considered off somehow...live & learn.

                      Note to self: some topics are sacred with or without profanity.

                      1. re: HillJ

                        <some topics are sacred with or without profanity.>

                        Yes. We must under no circumstances correct anyone's spelling or grammar, something that could actually be helpful.

                        1. re: Jay F

                          By the same token, I don't think anyone here wants help with their profanity--whether to use it or stop doing so. ;)

                          1. re: kattyeyes

                            Thank u, kattye. That's all I was sayin' earlier.

                        2. re: HillJ

                          I don't use much profanity (unless you count words like suck as profanity--I inherited that word from my kids and now my 75 year old mom uses it!) either in speech or writing, but I've had many posts deleted on this site.

                          In general, I think the mods do a decent job here, even though I don't always agree with their narrow approach. I wish other sites, particularly the news sites, would police as well.

                          1. re: Isolda

                            You made me smile, Isolda. When my youngest was about six he got angry with me over having to travel a week for work and miss his play and threatened to use the word shit if I didn't stop traveling so much. I told him, son let's use the word together: it's pretty shitty that your dear Mum has to leave for work and when she returns we'll have a Mum-son date! That seemed to do the trick. And we still talk about that moment.

                            I'm not against moderation. I'm moderated all the time too. I can't even fathom what it's like to moderate a site of this size and passion. I hope the team has fun picnics with great grub to blow off steam :)

                            1. re: HillJ

                              " I hope the team has fun picnics with great grub to blow off steam :)"

                              I like to think that includes nude volleyball and burying a sacrificial hound up to the neck for the day. ;-)

                              1. re: mcf

                                I'm very pleased that our outings do NOT include nude volleyball.

                                1. re: meshane

                                  sorry I didn't see your comment earlier, mcf. Very funny!

                                  No one has yet to dispute this:
                                  and burying a sacrificial hound up to the neck for the day. ;-)

                                  hahaha!

                        3. re: Servorg

                          Some would say the gratuitous use of profanity is the behavior of a badly behaved child, too.

                    2. As others have noted, we do allow incidental profanity on the site. If it's used in anger or directed at other posters, then that's not okay, and we hope you'll Flag it for us, but if it's just casual use in a descriptive sort of way, that's fine.

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                      1. re: The Chowhound Team

                        That is the way our language is evolving, after all.

                        1. re: The Chowhound Team

                          There's another aspect to this. Those of us who grew up with English as our native language are more sensitive to certain four-letter-words (such as "work", according to CarTalk) than are those for whom English is a second language. I, too, am pleased that the site is not censored by school marms. But we, native speakers, do notice usages that we would most probably avoid.

                          1. re: bcc

                            I'm in the camp of native speakers who "notice usages that we would most probably avoid." It's just not the way I speak to others.

                            1. re: Gio

                              "It's just not the way I speak to others."

                              You didn't grow up in Jersey, I guess?

                              1. re: MGZ

                                "It's just not the way I speak to others."
                                You didn't grow up in Jersey, I guess?

                                Listening to the Soprano's dialogue made me a bit nostalgic for my home state and I grew up in fuckin' Hunterdon County!

                                1. re: MGZ

                                  Nope, not New Jersey. Massachusetts, Boston... (And, I only watched one episode of The Sopranos. Once was enough.) LOL

                                  1. re: Gio

                                    What can I say, I can't resist makin' funna my people.

                            2. re: The Chowhound Team

                              Whatever floats your boat. I guess that's how you achieve success on the internet, set the bar low.

                            3. After the briefings had ended and the general had departed, the chief of staff critiqued our efforts. Good and bad. After curse or scatalogical phrases, he would state to the chaplain, "Pardon my French". At the end, the chaplain stated to nobody in particular that he didn't realise he was so fluent in French!!

                              So the chief of staff toned down his cursing from then on. Yeah, right. He just stopped saying pardon my French.

                              I know what you are saying. Disguise it as you will, we know what you are saying. Maybe not in Finnish. So let us all get a Finnish dictionary and designate Finnish as the official language for profanity on Chowhound.

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                              1. There are times when curse words are needed in both written and spoken English. However, I don't believe they add to the conversation when the words that have a base of vulgarity are used in casual conversation, either written or spoken.

                                1. I like George Carlin's take on it.

                                  Yeah, that “You don’t need to; you’re a funny man, you don’t need that stuff” thing. Well, my argument is that you don’t need paprika or oregano or a few other things to make a stew, technically, either — but you make a better stew. If you’re inclined to make a stew of that type, “seasoning” helps.
                                  I know from Bill Cosby’s work, he clearly feels that way, and I’ve always felt that by taking that stand and developing a body of work that didn’t include it, Cosby can never now choose to use that language. I, however, can choose either.
                                  I can do six minutes on The Tonight Show with none of that in it — I can use other parts of my tool kit that work for me; I’m good at them, too, and can do that no problem — but I can also be more of my street-corner self elsewhere, with language of the street if I want to do that, too.
                                  Why should I deprive myself of a small but important part of language that my fellow humans have developed? Why not use all of what we’ve developed to communicate with?
                                  Sometimes I overdo it intentionally, because it has an effect of its own. I think there are a lot of sentences where the adjective “fucking — I guess it’s a gerund, isn’t it? — sometimes just makes the joke work better. And not because they’re laughing at the word “fuck” but because including that word may make the language of a sentence more powerful, and it just gets in there better. It just gets in that channel you’ve got open with a harder punch, you know? That’s why people use it in life — because it makes something they’re trying to say stronger; it gives a particular effect.
                                  I think the folks who choose to deny that part of our language have limited themselves. And that’s fine; that’s good. Good choice over there…but I’m just fine over here.

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                                  1. re: grampart

                                    Makes me thinka Lenny Bruce.

                                    1. re: MGZ

                                      Ah yes, Lenny Bruce. Got turned on to him by a high school English teacher back in 1963 (she only lasted that one year) and later read his "manifesto", "How to Talk Dirty and Influence People". I still have the LP of his Carnegie Hall midnight concert (still available on YouTube). He was a real trail blazer.

                                      "The liberals can understand everything but people who don't understand them."
                                      Lenny Bruce

                                    2. re: grampart

                                      I echo your sentiments above, grampart. Meanwhile, from a grammatical standpoint, this clip says it all for me, absofuckin'lutely:
                                      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXk9EP...

                                      "With all of these multi-purpose applications, how can anyone be offended when you use the word? We say, use this unique, flexible word more often in your daily speech. It will identify the quality of your character immediately. Say it loudly and proudly: FUCK YOU!" :D

                                        1. re: kattyeyes

                                          I guess this is what Servorg was referring to upthread...

                                          1. re: carolinadawg

                                            You mean this?
                                            "Because sometimes we act like children...very badly behaved ones at that."
                                            Oh, hardly. I'm very well-behaved.

                                        2. re: grampart

                                          "Fucking" is only a gerund when used as a noun. In its participial sense it's an adjective.

                                        3. I am in agreement with the OP on this.

                                          1. I'm curious to know if those that are in approval of the profanity here do or would use that language in front of their own young (reading age) children or grandchildren or care if strangers do so?

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                                            1. re: kengk

                                              No. But then again I don't approve of letting those same impressionable tots loose on the Internet without supervision.

                                              1. re: kengk

                                                If they're old enough to read, I don't think common profanity will cause them any long term damage. Verbally, I try not to in front of my granddaughters, especially the compound words, but sometimes it happens. On the positive side, it demonstrates to them that old Grampart is really pissed off.

                                                1. re: kengk

                                                  Nope, but I'm guessing that we're all adults here.

                                                  1. re: kengk

                                                    I don't have kids, but I don't plan on using foul language in front of them when I do, even though I do in front of adults. As for strangers doing it, well, it's not my place to tell a stranger how to behave. All I can do is teach my kid was is acceptable in OUR family. They'll probably learn it as soon as they get to school anyway.

                                                    And yes, I wouldn't let a small child loose on the internet either.

                                                    1. re: juliejulez

                                                      No language is foul except as some people deem it so.

                                                      1. re: Jay F

                                                        Accepting foulness or offense is what gives certain words power. It's best to just let it go. You, Jay, I am sure, are more than aware of that. (I just thought your post poignant enough to be the proper one to post that response to.)*

                                                        *Oh yeah, the preposition thing . . . .

                                                      2. re: juliejulez

                                                        There was a strict rule against swearing and even the no swear words like friggin, sucks, crap etc. when I was growing up. In middle school I became quite the potty mouth with my friends. To this day I only swear in certain situations and I will not in front of children. I also do not or I limit it in front of certain adults as a sign of respect. I am a high school teacher so it is not typically tolerated in my line of work. I have no problem with swearing but I think it has a time and a place.

                                                        Know you audience.

                                                        1. re: melpy

                                                          How many x's have you heard the words "it sucked" on television programs now? Family shows, 8 yr old actors talking to their tv parents, no Dad it sucks! And then the soundtrack laughter plays?!

                                                          That's the tv audience today. There are few rules, just a ratings guide. Cable changed tolerance.

                                                          1. re: HillJ

                                                            Then why don't I just say "sammies" sucks, and we're even?

                                                            1. re: Jay F

                                                              Express yourself however you like Jay F. :)

                                                              My small point is that it's not the words, it's the attitude. If we want to be free to express ourselves but censor the next "guy" because they use words we find offensive, baby words, whatever....that's confusing my small pea brain.

                                                              What can I say....I'm neither offended or bothered by words...just the motivation behind them.

                                                              1. re: HillJ

                                                                Sammies reminds me of Rachael Ray, who built an empire on cutesy, baby talk.

                                                                1. re: monavano

                                                                  True, RR uses the word sammie. So, if building an empire helps the sammie haters along, great. Along with her shortcut for the word olive oil, her use of yummo and delish, she's making someone out there crazy over it.

                                                                  Just not all of us :)

                                                                  1. re: HillJ

                                                                    Jesus, now we're back to discussing the fucking use of the word sammies?

                                                                    1. re: linguafood

                                                                      Try to keep up there linguafood! ha!

                                                                      1. re: linguafood

                                                                        I can't wait for someone to get all bent that you summoned Jesus. ;)

                                                                        My mom's boyfriend, who, at the age of 81, couldn't possibly care less who might be pissed at his choice of words, calls on Jesus so frequently, it's just part of his vocabulary. "Jesus Christ sakes, Jane!"

                                                                      2. re: HillJ

                                                                        You left out stoup and choup (insert eyeball roll here!)

                                                                        1. re: monavano

                                                                          RR strikes me as someone who lives a pretty fulfilling life.
                                                                          No eye roll needed :)

                                                                          1. re: HillJ

                                                                            I roll my eyes because a woman in her 40's speaking like a child is just kinda sad. The thing is, I don't think that's the real RR, but her brand.

                                                                            1. re: monavano

                                                                              See now I think she's playful, brand or not and since RR is saying the words without censoring herself I respect it. No apologies for it either.

                                                                              1. re: monavano

                                                                                For that kind of paycheck, you can brand me however and wherever you want.

                                                                                1. re: INDIANRIVERFL

                                                                                  Yes, I'd rather be known for "sammies" than matching the kitchen curtains ;-)

                                                                              2. re: HillJ

                                                                                For what it's worth. I generally prefer to get fucked, than have a sammie. However, if each involves Rachel, I'll reverse my position.

                                                                                1. re: MGZ

                                                                                  Over easy, or sunnyside up?

                                                                          1. re: carolinadawg

                                                                            Are you referring to a comment I made in reference to Rachel Ray or just in general, carolinad?

                                                                            I wouldn't disagree that WORDS matter, I'm just not offended by words. I believe I said I'm offended by attitudes.

                                                                            Unless you were referring to something else entirely.

                                                                2. re: kengk

                                                                  "I'm curious to know if those that are in approval of the profanity here do or would use that language in front of their own young (reading age) children or grandchildren or care if strangers do so?"

                                                                  I have no children so I cannot answer that.

                                                                  But as a child who grew up with parents and relatives who cursed in front of us, I don't think I use profanity any more or less than most of the people I work and/or socialize with. I am an educated, intelligent person and I write for a living; growing up around people who used profanity pretty liberally did not harm me in any way that I can see.

                                                                  1. re: ttoommyy

                                                                    Allright. More Jersey on the topic!

                                                                    I mean, all parents fuck up their children, but no one will ever convince me that it's the "bad" words that are responsible.

                                                                3. i'm sure there is a browser plug-in you can find that will just replace words you don't like with words that you do.

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                                                                  1. re: Dustin_E

                                                                    It would have to be pretty sophisticated. Like Mr. Carlin once said, "it's okay to prick your finger, just don't finger your prick."

                                                                  2. I am no doubt the poster the randyj is referring to in the "ice cream bars" thread.

                                                                    I use profanity just like I try to use every other word in the English language, and will continue to do so. If it offends you, or anyone else, I suggest you stop reading my posts.

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                                                                    1. re: ipsedixit

                                                                      I'm thinking of "Axel" in "The Deer Hunter" and his favorite reply - right this second...in response to your post.

                                                                        1. re: HillJ

                                                                          Nice! I was wondering. Meanwhile, HillJ, you missed my "thank you" elsewhere, but I had kept your recommendation for coconut bongo oolong from Tealish for more than a year--finally bought a nice assortment earlier this month...and keeping on topic, might I say, they're fuckin' awesome! Seriously, I've been enjoying the Tealishousness each day. Good call.

                                                                          1. re: kattyeyes

                                                                            You are very welcome! I do miss out on a good deal of posts unfortunately! That coconut bongo oolong is a keeper! Keep those recommendation of yours coming!

                                                                            1. re: HillJ

                                                                              I may kick off a separate Tealish post once I've gone through all the flavors I chose. Lots of excellent blends--their coconut cream chai is also a keeper, if you haven't stumbled upon it yet. Take care and thanks for YOUR good ideas!

                                                                              1. re: kattyeyes

                                                                                Great idea especially for iced tea interest. I've been making all sorts of tea-juice variations for cocktails and mocktails lately.

                                                                      1. re: ipsedixit

                                                                        Can't say I've ever noticed, ips.

                                                                          1. re: ipsedixit

                                                                            ips,
                                                                            When you refer to a thread, it would be helpful if you would add a link to the thread.

                                                                            1. re: TroyTempest

                                                                              We'd really rather this didn't become a discussion of a specific thread or instance of profanity. General discussions of this stuff on Site Talk are fine, but calling out specific posters isn't great.

                                                                              1. re: The Chowhound Team

                                                                                Well, It was rather a letdown, anyway.

                                                                            2. re: ipsedixit

                                                                              "I use profanity just like I try to use every other word in the English language, and will continue to do so."

                                                                              Tippin' my hat!

                                                                            3. When you refer to a thread, it would be helpful if you would add a link to the thread, so we'd know what you are talking about. Yeah, i can search, but don't feel like it.

                                                                              1. Profanity is a sign of a limited vocabulary.

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                                                                                  1. re: grampart

                                                                                    Shit, I curse like a drunk cop, but I'll put my vocabulary up there with most anyone's.

                                                                                    1. re: MGZ

                                                                                      You don't play the character of Dexter Morgan's sister, Deb Morgan by any chance? ;-D>

                                                                                      1. re: Servorg

                                                                                        Deb is not just or most anyone. She is up there with the greats like Malcolm Tucker.

                                                                                  2. re: dinwiddie

                                                                                    Oh that old chestnut. If it offends you, fine, but it's really lame to say that cursing is a sign of limited vocabulary.

                                                                                    1. re: monavano

                                                                                      It's really lame to claim that cussing makes one sound smarter or more sophisticated.

                                                                                      1. re: carolinadawg

                                                                                        Yeah, that's not what I wrote. Perhaps cursing leads to better reading and comprehension skills?

                                                                                  3. I don't particularly care. I will say I swear too much in real life so I avoid it in the written word...and try to avoid it when speaking.

                                                                                    1. I'm not bothered by the appropriate use of profanity or vulgarity. Especially when someone knows the difference between them and knows how and when to use them. I'm probably going to sound like a goddamn fucking prick, but fuck is not profane, its vulgar - a vulgarity. Goddamn is profane. Keep the two fucking straight.

                                                                                      By the way, the 4th commandment is thou shalt not take the name of the lord thy god in vain. So it's a sin to say goddamn but you won't go to hell for saying fuck. I find it curious that most people I know are much more bothered by someone saying fuck than goddamn.

                                                                                      What bothers me more than swearing on the boards is all the fucking baby talk. If you're grown up enough to use the naughty words, stop using words like sammies and delish. Sheesh.

                                                                                      I've had plenty of posts deleted where I used perfectly polite language. I guess I was off topic. Watch this one get deleted.

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                                                                                      1. re: Bkeats

                                                                                        "So it's a sin to say goddamn but you won't go to hell for saying fuck"

                                                                                        Although, my guess would be that, when you suddenly find yourself there, that particular word probably passes your lips more than a few times in that first moment of awareness...

                                                                                        1. re: Bkeats

                                                                                          Sammies and delish is baby talk? Sheesh. Where does this list of what offends end, really?

                                                                                          For my money, if you want to be an adult get on board with accepting how people communicate varies. It's childish to tell others what words they may use. Acceptance is maturity. We all fail at acceptance somewhere along the line-accept that!

                                                                                            1. re: HillJ

                                                                                              "Sammies" is a shitload more cringeworthy than "fuck" could ever hope to be. And don't come anywhere near me with "yummy."

                                                                                              Maybe it's not baby talk, but it's hard for me to conjure a mental picture of anyone older than 6 saying "sammies" (unless, perhaps it's someone talking to a 6 year old).

                                                                                              1. re: Jay F

                                                                                                Then I'm afraid my point is of no use to you, Jay F. Because words do not make me cringe, attitudes do.

                                                                                                1. re: Jay F

                                                                                                  Sammie is more baby talk to me than yummy or delish.

                                                                                                  1. re: melpy

                                                                                                    That's really funny! You can pick one word over the other. I thought baby talk is the noise that comes out of an infant.

                                                                                                    1. re: melpy

                                                                                                      I'd like to know WTF a Sammie is!

                                                                                                      1. re: jrvedivici

                                                                                                        Sandwich, shortened to sammich, shortened to sammie.

                                                                                                        1. re: kattyeyes

                                                                                                          Dunno about others, but I loves me good fuckin' sammich.

                                                                                                          1. re: linguafood

                                                                                                            As do I--we eat them with great relish! Or should I say giardiniera?! ;)

                                                                                                          2. re: kattyeyes

                                                                                                            Heh, look at that! Learn something new everyday. Spanks!

                                                                                                            1. re: jrvedivici

                                                                                                              Now we've moved into corporal punishment, HEH HEH HEH! ;) Kidding, don't say I never gave you anything.

                                                                                                      2. re: Jay F

                                                                                                        Sympathy?

                                                                                                        Before my kid was born, I figured I would avoid cutesy-speech and also tone down my near-constant swearing. Enter a couple years of sleep deprivation and immersion in kiddie culture: my brain seems to have turned on me despite my efforts, and now I talk like a supremely vulgar 6 year old. It's awful. So though I can't blame you for cringing, perhaps you can take solace in the knowledge that it's not entirely voluntary, and that when cutesy-speak seeps into my adult conversations, I feel like stabbing my own fucking eyesie-wisies out.

                                                                                                    2. re: Bkeats

                                                                                                      Recommend, like, thumbs-up -- whatever you want to put out there.

                                                                                                      This post made me choke on my Cheerios, in a good way. (it's breakfast for dinner night)

                                                                                                    3. Interesting, I was reading that thread and wondered the same. I know that young children do read CH and would be concerned that they will pick up bad habits. I do think the f bomb should be prohibited.

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                                                                                                      1. re: treb

                                                                                                        Pretty sure if a young child is reading CH, they're probably reading other sites with bad language too.

                                                                                                        1. re: juliejulez

                                                                                                          And, more likely, naked ladies. Oh, the humanity!

                                                                                                          1. re: MGZ

                                                                                                            I, for one, would support that enhancement of Chow. :-)

                                                                                                          2. re: juliejulez

                                                                                                            And hopefully they are cooking up a storm!!!!

                                                                                                          3. re: treb

                                                                                                            I'm curious, what are the "bad habits"? The kid learns a word that is used pervasively in our everyday speech? Why cling to the silly taboo? That was the point of my Lenny Bruce reference above. He asserted the notion that words only retain offensiveness or power when ignorant people continued to let 'em be off limits and "wrong". Otherwise, no one would give a shit. Besides, if we didn't fuck those kids wouldn't be here to be damaged by our bad language, right?

                                                                                                            Words are words, nothin' more.

                                                                                                            1. re: treb

                                                                                                              I think in this world we live in, I would pray, that children would pick up their bad habit's from a site like this, rather than any one of the other million(s) of options out there.

                                                                                                              1. re: jrvedivici

                                                                                                                I doubt someone is going to start swearing because try saw it on CH.

                                                                                                              2. re: treb

                                                                                                                treb I'd like to think of this concern as life habits-we can't raise our children in a bubble. and, all the plastic wrap we try to keep them protected under won't prepare them for leaving our nests and living their own adult lives. Which is what most parents eventually pray for-independent children!

                                                                                                                so, bad habits with or without profanity is already in place way before CH member registration. The site does have an age minimum last I read.

                                                                                                                Keep in mind, that if the F bomb is ever installed as a unacceptable word, that would also apply to CHOW content which can be very "colorful" as well.

                                                                                                              3. I would like to think that anyone old enough to surf the internets unsupervised is also mature enough to do so unedited.

                                                                                                                In cases of younger readers, that falls to the purview of the parents/legal guardians.

                                                                                                                1. Really?

                                                                                                                  That's one of the things I love about CH.

                                                                                                                  1. A good writer can communicate unpleasant experiences without the use of profanity, and more artfully.

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                                                                                                                    1. re: Veggo

                                                                                                                      How 'bout the pleasant experiences?

                                                                                                                      1. re: Veggo

                                                                                                                        But it's so much more fun to read with f bombs, at least Bourdain is, and he's no slouch as a writer.

                                                                                                                          1. re: Veggo

                                                                                                                            Veggo, with all of the respect I have for you as one a the true Alpha 'hounds, I have to disagree. I do agree that, a good writer can express "unpleasant experiences without the use of profanity", but, what if that writer was tryin' to express the "unpleasant experience" in the voice of the times, or of that of the soul who suffered?

                                                                                                                            I guess what I'm sayin' is language isn't that simple. The lines between speech and text blur, in part, because text needs to incorporate speech. For example, if you're a Fireman, tryin' to get down Tower 2 as it starts to implode, do you say, "Oh, my, this is bad luck?" or do you say, "Holy Fuck!!!"

                                                                                                                            I do submit to the notion that presentation of language is all context based. I would not write children's book that read like the Kama Sutra or a legal brief that started by pointing out that opposing counsel's arguments were "utter bullshit" (though, I have contemplated that one a coupla times). This Site, however, is conversational. We're not tryin' to be writers, we're just talkers.

                                                                                                                            1. re: MGZ

                                                                                                                              We're not tryin' to be writers, we're just talkers.
                                                                                                                              ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
                                                                                                                              amen.
                                                                                                                              I work hard enough!

                                                                                                                              1. re: HillJ

                                                                                                                                Writers give talkers a second bounce, and both must eat.
                                                                                                                                cheers, Veg

                                                                                                                                1. re: Veggo

                                                                                                                                  V, the only CH adventure I'm after is fun and relaxation, YMMV.

                                                                                                                                    1. re: Veggo

                                                                                                                                      Man, I'd be happy to cook for, or with, you two anytime. I'll be happy to bring any "sauce" you'd like to drink. I just ask that you forgive me if my "Jersey" comes out in my words.

                                                                                                                                      1. re: Veggo

                                                                                                                                        Yes we can, V. Yes we can.

                                                                                                                                  1. re: HillJ

                                                                                                                                    As you know, Hill, I've been tryin' to walk that walk and talk than talk for almost a year now. There are some really solid thoughts from others who disagree, and I respect 'em. I mean, JayF (who I assume will forgive me for mentioning him, but he's the most persuasive of the contrarians), has espoused some valid arguments for keepin' this site more text than talk. I see his point and have considered the ideas of all, but I think the future is "speak" over "write".

                                                                                                                                    1. re: MGZ

                                                                                                                                      MGZ, I enjoy everyone here. Everyone. Difference of opinion is what makes every thread (potentially) interesting. Whether I'm reading along or commenting-fun fun fun.

                                                                                                                                      I hope you don't read my voice as frustrated or angry ever-we're a forum of wordsmiths. Some better at it then others-cool! What I am is happy to share my opinion along with all the others here. But yessing anyone when I don't agree or don't understand is just not my style and I'm thrilled that I get treated the very same way.

                                                                                                                                      eta: another point is that nothing said on CH is absolute. I've seen opinions (including my own) change all the time. So why not accept that this is a community of light not heavy views that can change with the dinnerware and not get so hung up on every single word. I've seen shrugs appear at the end of many debated topics-in the end...we all go home and return to eat another day.

                                                                                                                                      1. re: linguafood

                                                                                                                                        MOST EXCELLENT! (pussyfeathers!)

                                                                                                                                      2. re: MGZ

                                                                                                                                        You did graduate from law school?

                                                                                                                                      3. re: Veggo

                                                                                                                                        "A good writer can communicate unpleasant experiences without the use of profanity, and more artfully."

                                                                                                                                        I absolutely disagree with this statement. Sometimes a profanity is the exact word needed to convey a feeling and using any substitution would seem false.

                                                                                                                                        1. re: ttoommyy

                                                                                                                                          Yeah.

                                                                                                                                          Like, daily in my life.

                                                                                                                                        2. re: Veggo

                                                                                                                                          And a great writer will use both, depending upon the connotations desired and circumstances.

                                                                                                                                        3. I have no problem with bad words - I use them in my regular daily life, and will use it on the boards as I see fit. I do not mean to offend anyone, but look at what is allowed on network TV - primetime: Crap, hell, ass, damn, dick and tits. Go to basic cable and you can add goddamn and shit. Don't get me started on HBO.

                                                                                                                                          If children are reading this site, then it's up to their parents to be aware of the content, and police it as they see fit. I do not use bad language on a general message board, or the Disney website or anything. I do not intentionally curse around any children. I assume the majority of users here are adults. If they are not, then again it's the responsibility of the parents to monitor them and their internet usage. I worry more about kids picking up bad grammar and spelling from message boards than I do about bad language, which they will hear every day of their lives anyway. I learned most of the "bad" words I know at a Catholic summer camp.

                                                                                                                                          I hope CH continues to allow profanity on "it's" site (sic). So long as it is not directed at anyone personally. Consider the context and the audience.

                                                                                                                                          Fuck!

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                                                                                                                                          1. I am a firm believer of free speech but it seems to me that some of the posters on this thread are using profanity for no good reason. Throwing the F word around just because they can. Whatever..

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                                                                                                                                            1. Potty-mouth women certainly aren't included in the Newport RI summer circuit, so they don't know what they are missing there.

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                                                                                                                                              1. re: Veggo

                                                                                                                                                Whether in speech or the wriiten word, I find it difficult to use the adjective "pompous" without following it with "asshole". Funny that.

                                                                                                                                                  1. re: grampart

                                                                                                                                                    Apparently neither difficult nor funny, in your world.

                                                                                                                                                1. whose standards are we going to use?

                                                                                                                                                  Other cultures IN the Anglophone world place different "weight" on the various dirty words -- like the appearance of "fuck" on the radio during daylight hours in England.

                                                                                                                                                  Full frontal nudity appears on television in a lot of the world outside the US.

                                                                                                                                                  Let's not further our reputation as the world's prudes by feigning a hissy fit over the appearance of a word on what is one of the more cogent and literate discussion forums out there on the intarwebs.

                                                                                                                                                  1. OK, I'm waiting for the first to create a CH topic, "F**KING Worst restaurant you've eaten at in (insert your board location)".

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                                                                                                                                                    1. re: treb

                                                                                                                                                      treb, because I like you I want to share this CH search engine link with you. The word has already been used in headings, threads and topics on CHOW & CH for quite some time. It's not forbidden fruit.

                                                                                                                                                      http://www.chow.com/search?query=fuck...

                                                                                                                                                      http://www.chow.com/search?query=fuck...

                                                                                                                                                      1. re: HillJ

                                                                                                                                                        I guess I've led a sheltered life!

                                                                                                                                                        1. re: treb

                                                                                                                                                          Funny thing is treb, I could find those references in about 4 seconds but I can't find a recipe that CH ghg posted 3 years ago!! Go figure!

                                                                                                                                                    2. This is a cooking forum, not a church or daycare for kids.

                                                                                                                                                      1. It seems like we've covered most the ground there is to cover on this topic, and now we're finding that people are getting a bit testy with each other, so we're going to lock it now.