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randyjl May 15, 2013 11:33 AM

I am very disappointed that CH allows profanity on it's site. Hopefully it just slipped through on the thread about ice cream bars.

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  1. cowboyardee RE: randyjl May 15, 2013 11:40 AM

    It's always been allowed, AFAIK. Though not if it's directed at other posters (you can curse, but you can't curse me off).

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    1. Delucacheesemonger RE: randyjl May 15, 2013 11:45 AM

      l actually find it refreshing that very little is censored on the site. As long as you follow the few rules, the mods leave you to it. Seems more adult to let you be you.

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        sunshine842 RE: Delucacheesemonger May 16, 2013 03:37 AM

        I agree - it allows adults to talk the way adults talk -- it's good.

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          MGZ RE: sunshine842 May 16, 2013 05:20 AM

          That's the point. We may have to type to do it, but this Site is talk, not text (in the book sense).

          As a courtesy to others, I'll substitute an asterisk for the vowels in "f*ck" and "sh*t", but that's the way I speak - that's the way I post. It's a conversation, after all.

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            Beach Chick RE: MGZ May 16, 2013 07:07 AM

            'As a courtesy to others, I'll substitute an asterisk for the vowels in "f*ck" '

            Me too, but there have been times that I wanted to remove that asterisk!

            Randy. . My Ice Cream Bar post started your post...I only saw one F word from a beloved poster..and me, I wrote 'kick ass'..sorry if I offended you.

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              linguafood RE: MGZ May 16, 2013 10:49 AM

              I never understood that. As if the asterisk made the word somehow different? More palatable?

              What's the fucking point? Just like bleeping swearwords on TV. Really, I have *no idea* what that person could've possibly said b/c you bleeped out a syllable.

              (Funny how they always end up bleeping out the 'god' part in 'goddamned' -- you'd figure that's the "good" part of the word. Silly.)

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                MGZ RE: linguafood May 16, 2013 10:57 AM

                Lingua, my friend, you're absolutely right. I started doin' that asterisk thing in the 90s and it became habit. You've convinced me to never do that shit again. I mean, I offend somebody, in one way or another, most every day here, no?

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                  linguafood RE: MGZ May 16, 2013 10:59 AM

                  You bettah '-)

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                  ttoommyy RE: linguafood May 17, 2013 11:54 AM

                  The asterisk thing comes from the fact that if a person's e-mail or a web site is programmed to pick up on a list of curses, when an asterisk is substituted the program will not pick it up.

                  Of course this is my layman's explanation of a techy thing. But you get it.

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                    linguafood RE: ttoommyy May 17, 2013 12:41 PM

                    I see. I thought it was along the lines of people writing g_d instead of god, which I chalk/ed up to superstition or the idea that writing *god* instead would offend _someone_ (and I'm positively sure it does).

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                      kattyeyes RE: linguafood May 17, 2013 12:45 PM

                      I'm going back in memory here and paraphrasing greatly, but g-d is abbreviated on paper because paper is disposable and you wouldn't want to throw g-d away.

                      As to filters and asterisks within curse words, ttoommyy is right as I found out when I sent myself a funny message from work with colorful language FROM MY BOSS (referring to us as bitches, in a joking way, of course). Funny. It was "quarantined."

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                    flourgirl RE: linguafood May 17, 2013 04:27 PM

                    I think the asterisk thing started because it's the way to get around the moderation that exists on other boards.

                    Type "shit" on many boards - and you see "#$@%*%" when you post your comment.

                    Type "sh*t" - and you see "sh*t" - and everyone knows exactly which expletive you intended to use.

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                  carolinadawg RE: sunshine842 May 16, 2013 12:09 PM

                  Yet we're moderated as if we are not adults. The hypocrisy is annoying.

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                    Servorg RE: carolinadawg May 16, 2013 12:11 PM

                    "Yet we're moderated as if we are not adults."

                    Because sometimes we act like children...very badly behaved ones at that.

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                      HillJ RE: Servorg May 16, 2013 12:16 PM

                      When I said so here earlier my comment was deleted. I didn't use a single profanity while doing so but my remark was considered off somehow...live & learn.

                      Note to self: some topics are sacred with or without profanity.

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                        Jay F RE: HillJ May 16, 2013 12:48 PM

                        <some topics are sacred with or without profanity.>

                        Yes. We must under no circumstances correct anyone's spelling or grammar, something that could actually be helpful.

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                          kattyeyes RE: Jay F May 16, 2013 12:52 PM

                          By the same token, I don't think anyone here wants help with their profanity--whether to use it or stop doing so. ;)

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                            HillJ RE: kattyeyes May 16, 2013 12:54 PM

                            Thank u, kattye. That's all I was sayin' earlier.

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                          Isolda RE: HillJ May 17, 2013 12:37 PM

                          I don't use much profanity (unless you count words like suck as profanity--I inherited that word from my kids and now my 75 year old mom uses it!) either in speech or writing, but I've had many posts deleted on this site.

                          In general, I think the mods do a decent job here, even though I don't always agree with their narrow approach. I wish other sites, particularly the news sites, would police as well.

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                            HillJ RE: Isolda May 17, 2013 12:43 PM

                            You made me smile, Isolda. When my youngest was about six he got angry with me over having to travel a week for work and miss his play and threatened to use the word shit if I didn't stop traveling so much. I told him, son let's use the word together: it's pretty shitty that your dear Mum has to leave for work and when she returns we'll have a Mum-son date! That seemed to do the trick. And we still talk about that moment.

                            I'm not against moderation. I'm moderated all the time too. I can't even fathom what it's like to moderate a site of this size and passion. I hope the team has fun picnics with great grub to blow off steam :)

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                              mcf RE: HillJ May 17, 2013 02:56 PM

                              " I hope the team has fun picnics with great grub to blow off steam :)"

                              I like to think that includes nude volleyball and burying a sacrificial hound up to the neck for the day. ;-)

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                                meshane RE: mcf May 17, 2013 04:19 PM

                                I'm very pleased that our outings do NOT include nude volleyball.

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                                  HillJ RE: meshane May 17, 2013 04:28 PM

                                  sorry I didn't see your comment earlier, mcf. Very funny!

                                  No one has yet to dispute this:
                                  and burying a sacrificial hound up to the neck for the day. ;-)

                                  hahaha!

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                          carolinadawg RE: Servorg May 16, 2013 12:16 PM

                          Some would say the gratuitous use of profanity is the behavior of a badly behaved child, too.

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                      carolinadawg RE: Delucacheesemonger May 16, 2013 12:12 PM

                      Actually, much is "censored" on this site.

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                    3. The Chowhound Team RE: randyjl May 15, 2013 12:02 PM

                      As others have noted, we do allow incidental profanity on the site. If it's used in anger or directed at other posters, then that's not okay, and we hope you'll Flag it for us, but if it's just casual use in a descriptive sort of way, that's fine.

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                        MGZ RE: The Chowhound Team May 15, 2013 12:08 PM

                        That is the way our language is evolving, after all.

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                          bcc RE: The Chowhound Team May 15, 2013 01:29 PM

                          There's another aspect to this. Those of us who grew up with English as our native language are more sensitive to certain four-letter-words (such as "work", according to CarTalk) than are those for whom English is a second language. I, too, am pleased that the site is not censored by school marms. But we, native speakers, do notice usages that we would most probably avoid.

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                            Gio RE: bcc May 16, 2013 06:11 AM

                            I'm in the camp of native speakers who "notice usages that we would most probably avoid." It's just not the way I speak to others.

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                              MGZ RE: Gio May 16, 2013 06:35 AM

                              "It's just not the way I speak to others."

                              You didn't grow up in Jersey, I guess?

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                                grampart RE: MGZ May 16, 2013 06:39 AM

                                "It's just not the way I speak to others."
                                You didn't grow up in Jersey, I guess?

                                Listening to the Soprano's dialogue made me a bit nostalgic for my home state and I grew up in fuckin' Hunterdon County!

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                                  Gio RE: MGZ May 16, 2013 06:53 AM

                                  Nope, not New Jersey. Massachusetts, Boston... (And, I only watched one episode of The Sopranos. Once was enough.) LOL

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                                    MGZ RE: Gio May 16, 2013 07:00 AM

                                    What can I say, I can't resist makin' funna my people.

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                              tonyabbo RE: The Chowhound Team May 17, 2013 07:45 PM

                              Whatever floats your boat. I guess that's how you achieve success on the internet, set the bar low.

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                              INDIANRIVERFL RE: randyjl May 16, 2013 06:25 AM

                              After the briefings had ended and the general had departed, the chief of staff critiqued our efforts. Good and bad. After curse or scatalogical phrases, he would state to the chaplain, "Pardon my French". At the end, the chaplain stated to nobody in particular that he didn't realise he was so fluent in French!!

                              So the chief of staff toned down his cursing from then on. Yeah, right. He just stopped saying pardon my French.

                              I know what you are saying. Disguise it as you will, we know what you are saying. Maybe not in Finnish. So let us all get a Finnish dictionary and designate Finnish as the official language for profanity on Chowhound.

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                                porker RE: INDIANRIVERFL May 16, 2013 06:29 AM

                                vittu ei
                                {;-/)

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                              2. John E. RE: randyjl May 16, 2013 09:12 AM

                                There are times when curse words are needed in both written and spoken English. However, I don't believe they add to the conversation when the words that have a base of vulgarity are used in casual conversation, either written or spoken.

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                                1. grampart RE: randyjl May 16, 2013 09:28 AM

                                  I like George Carlin's take on it.

                                  Yeah, that “You don’t need to; you’re a funny man, you don’t need that stuff” thing. Well, my argument is that you don’t need paprika or oregano or a few other things to make a stew, technically, either — but you make a better stew. If you’re inclined to make a stew of that type, “seasoning” helps.
                                  I know from Bill Cosby’s work, he clearly feels that way, and I’ve always felt that by taking that stand and developing a body of work that didn’t include it, Cosby can never now choose to use that language. I, however, can choose either.
                                  I can do six minutes on The Tonight Show with none of that in it — I can use other parts of my tool kit that work for me; I’m good at them, too, and can do that no problem — but I can also be more of my street-corner self elsewhere, with language of the street if I want to do that, too.
                                  Why should I deprive myself of a small but important part of language that my fellow humans have developed? Why not use all of what we’ve developed to communicate with?
                                  Sometimes I overdo it intentionally, because it has an effect of its own. I think there are a lot of sentences where the adjective “fucking — I guess it’s a gerund, isn’t it? — sometimes just makes the joke work better. And not because they’re laughing at the word “fuck” but because including that word may make the language of a sentence more powerful, and it just gets in there better. It just gets in that channel you’ve got open with a harder punch, you know? That’s why people use it in life — because it makes something they’re trying to say stronger; it gives a particular effect.
                                  I think the folks who choose to deny that part of our language have limited themselves. And that’s fine; that’s good. Good choice over there…but I’m just fine over here.

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                                    MGZ RE: grampart May 16, 2013 09:43 AM

                                    Makes me thinka Lenny Bruce.

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                                      grampart RE: MGZ May 16, 2013 10:01 AM

                                      Ah yes, Lenny Bruce. Got turned on to him by a high school English teacher back in 1963 (she only lasted that one year) and later read his "manifesto", "How to Talk Dirty and Influence People". I still have the LP of his Carnegie Hall midnight concert (still available on YouTube). He was a real trail blazer.

                                      "The liberals can understand everything but people who don't understand them."
                                      Lenny Bruce

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                                      kattyeyes RE: grampart May 16, 2013 12:20 PM

                                      I echo your sentiments above, grampart. Meanwhile, from a grammatical standpoint, this clip says it all for me, absofuckin'lutely:
                                      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXk9EP...

                                      "With all of these multi-purpose applications, how can anyone be offended when you use the word? We say, use this unique, flexible word more often in your daily speech. It will identify the quality of your character immediately. Say it loudly and proudly: FUCK YOU!" :D

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                                        HillJ RE: kattyeyes May 16, 2013 12:22 PM

                                        It's a magical word, ha!

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                                          carolinadawg RE: kattyeyes May 16, 2013 12:22 PM

                                          I guess this is what Servorg was referring to upthread...

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                                            kattyeyes RE: carolinadawg May 16, 2013 12:27 PM

                                            You mean this?
                                            "Because sometimes we act like children...very badly behaved ones at that."
                                            Oh, hardly. I'm very well-behaved.

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                                          bcc RE: grampart May 16, 2013 12:21 PM

                                          "Fucking" is only a gerund when used as a noun. In its participial sense it's an adjective.

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                                          GH1618 RE: randyjl May 16, 2013 11:04 AM

                                          I am in agreement with the OP on this.

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                                            kengk RE: randyjl May 16, 2013 11:21 AM

                                            I'm curious to know if those that are in approval of the profanity here do or would use that language in front of their own young (reading age) children or grandchildren or care if strangers do so?

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                                              Servorg RE: kengk May 16, 2013 11:27 AM

                                              No. But then again I don't approve of letting those same impressionable tots loose on the Internet without supervision.

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                                                grampart RE: kengk May 16, 2013 11:36 AM

                                                If they're old enough to read, I don't think common profanity will cause them any long term damage. Verbally, I try not to in front of my granddaughters, especially the compound words, but sometimes it happens. On the positive side, it demonstrates to them that old Grampart is really pissed off.

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                                                  donovt RE: kengk May 16, 2013 11:46 AM

                                                  Nope, but I'm guessing that we're all adults here.

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                                                    juliejulez RE: kengk May 17, 2013 09:38 AM

                                                    I don't have kids, but I don't plan on using foul language in front of them when I do, even though I do in front of adults. As for strangers doing it, well, it's not my place to tell a stranger how to behave. All I can do is teach my kid was is acceptable in OUR family. They'll probably learn it as soon as they get to school anyway.

                                                    And yes, I wouldn't let a small child loose on the internet either.

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                                                      Jay F RE: juliejulez May 17, 2013 10:37 AM

                                                      No language is foul except as some people deem it so.

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                                                        MGZ RE: Jay F May 17, 2013 01:04 PM

                                                        Accepting foulness or offense is what gives certain words power. It's best to just let it go. You, Jay, I am sure, are more than aware of that. (I just thought your post poignant enough to be the proper one to post that response to.)*

                                                        *Oh yeah, the preposition thing . . . .

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                                                        melpy RE: juliejulez May 17, 2013 11:27 AM

                                                        There was a strict rule against swearing and even the no swear words like friggin, sucks, crap etc. when I was growing up. In middle school I became quite the potty mouth with my friends. To this day I only swear in certain situations and I will not in front of children. I also do not or I limit it in front of certain adults as a sign of respect. I am a high school teacher so it is not typically tolerated in my line of work. I have no problem with swearing but I think it has a time and a place.

                                                        Know you audience.

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                                                          HillJ RE: melpy May 17, 2013 11:33 AM

                                                          How many x's have you heard the words "it sucked" on television programs now? Family shows, 8 yr old actors talking to their tv parents, no Dad it sucks! And then the soundtrack laughter plays?!

                                                          That's the tv audience today. There are few rules, just a ratings guide. Cable changed tolerance.

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                                                            Jay F RE: HillJ May 17, 2013 11:48 AM

                                                            Then why don't I just say "sammies" sucks, and we're even?

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                                                              HillJ RE: Jay F May 17, 2013 12:00 PM

                                                              Express yourself however you like Jay F. :)

                                                              My small point is that it's not the words, it's the attitude. If we want to be free to express ourselves but censor the next "guy" because they use words we find offensive, baby words, whatever....that's confusing my small pea brain.

                                                              What can I say....I'm neither offended or bothered by words...just the motivation behind them.

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                                                                monavano RE: HillJ May 17, 2013 12:07 PM

                                                                Sammies reminds me of Rachael Ray, who built an empire on cutesy, baby talk.

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                                                                  HillJ RE: monavano May 17, 2013 12:31 PM

                                                                  True, RR uses the word sammie. So, if building an empire helps the sammie haters along, great. Along with her shortcut for the word olive oil, her use of yummo and delish, she's making someone out there crazy over it.

                                                                  Just not all of us :)

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                                                                    linguafood RE: HillJ May 17, 2013 12:39 PM

                                                                    Jesus, now we're back to discussing the fucking use of the word sammies?

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                                                                      HillJ RE: linguafood May 17, 2013 12:45 PM

                                                                      Try to keep up there linguafood! ha!

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                                                                        kattyeyes RE: linguafood May 17, 2013 12:48 PM

                                                                        I can't wait for someone to get all bent that you summoned Jesus. ;)

                                                                        My mom's boyfriend, who, at the age of 81, couldn't possibly care less who might be pissed at his choice of words, calls on Jesus so frequently, it's just part of his vocabulary. "Jesus Christ sakes, Jane!"

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                                                                        monavano RE: HillJ May 17, 2013 12:40 PM

                                                                        You left out stoup and choup (insert eyeball roll here!)

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                                                                          HillJ RE: monavano May 17, 2013 12:46 PM

                                                                          RR strikes me as someone who lives a pretty fulfilling life.
                                                                          No eye roll needed :)

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                                                                            monavano RE: HillJ May 17, 2013 12:47 PM

                                                                            I roll my eyes because a woman in her 40's speaking like a child is just kinda sad. The thing is, I don't think that's the real RR, but her brand.

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                                                                              HillJ RE: monavano May 17, 2013 12:55 PM

                                                                              See now I think she's playful, brand or not and since RR is saying the words without censoring herself I respect it. No apologies for it either.

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                                                                                INDIANRIVERFL RE: monavano May 17, 2013 12:58 PM

                                                                                For that kind of paycheck, you can brand me however and wherever you want.

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                                                                                  monavano RE: INDIANRIVERFL May 17, 2013 01:00 PM

                                                                                  Yes, I'd rather be known for "sammies" than matching the kitchen curtains ;-)

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                                                                                MGZ RE: HillJ May 17, 2013 01:00 PM

                                                                                For what it's worth. I generally prefer to get fucked, than have a sammie. However, if each involves Rachel, I'll reverse my position.

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                                                                                  INDIANRIVERFL RE: MGZ May 17, 2013 01:03 PM

                                                                                  Over easy, or sunnyside up?

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                                                                          carolinadawg RE: HillJ May 17, 2013 05:52 PM

                                                                          No, words do matter.

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                                                                            HillJ RE: carolinadawg May 17, 2013 05:57 PM

                                                                            Are you referring to a comment I made in reference to Rachel Ray or just in general, carolinad?

                                                                            I wouldn't disagree that WORDS matter, I'm just not offended by words. I believe I said I'm offended by attitudes.

                                                                            Unless you were referring to something else entirely.

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                                                                  ttoommyy RE: kengk May 17, 2013 01:07 PM

                                                                  "I'm curious to know if those that are in approval of the profanity here do or would use that language in front of their own young (reading age) children or grandchildren or care if strangers do so?"

                                                                  I have no children so I cannot answer that.

                                                                  But as a child who grew up with parents and relatives who cursed in front of us, I don't think I use profanity any more or less than most of the people I work and/or socialize with. I am an educated, intelligent person and I write for a living; growing up around people who used profanity pretty liberally did not harm me in any way that I can see.

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                                                                    MGZ RE: ttoommyy May 17, 2013 01:13 PM

                                                                    Allright. More Jersey on the topic!

                                                                    I mean, all parents fuck up their children, but no one will ever convince me that it's the "bad" words that are responsible.

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                                                                  Dustin_E RE: randyjl May 16, 2013 11:49 AM

                                                                  i'm sure there is a browser plug-in you can find that will just replace words you don't like with words that you do.

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                                                                    grampart RE: Dustin_E May 16, 2013 11:52 AM

                                                                    It would have to be pretty sophisticated. Like Mr. Carlin once said, "it's okay to prick your finger, just don't finger your prick."

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                                                                  2. ipsedixit RE: randyjl May 16, 2013 12:18 PM

                                                                    I am no doubt the poster the randyj is referring to in the "ice cream bars" thread.

                                                                    I use profanity just like I try to use every other word in the English language, and will continue to do so. If it offends you, or anyone else, I suggest you stop reading my posts.

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                                                                      Servorg RE: ipsedixit May 16, 2013 12:22 PM

                                                                      I'm thinking of "Axel" in "The Deer Hunter" and his favorite reply - right this second...in response to your post.

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                                                                        HillJ RE: Servorg May 16, 2013 12:25 PM

                                                                        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyqr-h...

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                                                                          kattyeyes RE: HillJ May 16, 2013 12:32 PM

                                                                          Nice! I was wondering. Meanwhile, HillJ, you missed my "thank you" elsewhere, but I had kept your recommendation for coconut bongo oolong from Tealish for more than a year--finally bought a nice assortment earlier this month...and keeping on topic, might I say, they're fuckin' awesome! Seriously, I've been enjoying the Tealishousness each day. Good call.

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                                                                            HillJ RE: kattyeyes May 16, 2013 12:36 PM

                                                                            You are very welcome! I do miss out on a good deal of posts unfortunately! That coconut bongo oolong is a keeper! Keep those recommendation of yours coming!

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                                                                              kattyeyes RE: HillJ May 16, 2013 12:38 PM

                                                                              I may kick off a separate Tealish post once I've gone through all the flavors I chose. Lots of excellent blends--their coconut cream chai is also a keeper, if you haven't stumbled upon it yet. Take care and thanks for YOUR good ideas!

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                                                                                HillJ RE: kattyeyes May 16, 2013 12:39 PM

                                                                                Great idea especially for iced tea interest. I've been making all sorts of tea-juice variations for cocktails and mocktails lately.

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                                                                                  kattyeyes RE: HillJ May 16, 2013 12:45 PM

                                                                                  Sounds tealish! ;)

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                                                                        HillJ RE: ipsedixit May 16, 2013 12:23 PM

                                                                        Can't say I've ever noticed, ips.

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                                                                          kattyeyes RE: ipsedixit May 16, 2013 12:25 PM

                                                                          ! :)
                                                                          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDfRd0...

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                                                                            TroyTempest RE: ipsedixit May 16, 2013 12:37 PM

                                                                            ips,
                                                                            When you refer to a thread, it would be helpful if you would add a link to the thread.

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                                                                              The Chowhound Team RE: TroyTempest May 16, 2013 01:21 PM

                                                                              We'd really rather this didn't become a discussion of a specific thread or instance of profanity. General discussions of this stuff on Site Talk are fine, but calling out specific posters isn't great.

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                                                                                TroyTempest RE: The Chowhound Team May 16, 2013 01:23 PM

                                                                                Well, It was rather a letdown, anyway.

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                                                                                  kattyeyes RE: TroyTempest May 16, 2013 01:29 PM

                                                                                  LOL!

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                                                                              MGZ RE: ipsedixit May 16, 2013 12:41 PM

                                                                              "I use profanity just like I try to use every other word in the English language, and will continue to do so."

                                                                              Tippin' my hat!

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                                                                            3. TroyTempest RE: randyjl May 16, 2013 12:39 PM

                                                                              When you refer to a thread, it would be helpful if you would add a link to the thread, so we'd know what you are talking about. Yeah, i can search, but don't feel like it.

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                                                                                dinwiddie RE: randyjl May 16, 2013 12:40 PM

                                                                                Profanity is a sign of a limited vocabulary.

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                                                                                  grampart RE: dinwiddie May 16, 2013 12:43 PM

                                                                                  Au contraire. Vocabulary is limited by shunning profanity.

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                                                                                    MGZ RE: grampart May 16, 2013 12:46 PM

                                                                                    Shit, I curse like a drunk cop, but I'll put my vocabulary up there with most anyone's.

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                                                                                      Servorg RE: MGZ May 16, 2013 12:57 PM

                                                                                      You don't play the character of Dexter Morgan's sister, Deb Morgan by any chance? ;-D>

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                                                                                        Lizard RE: Servorg May 17, 2013 07:54 PM

                                                                                        Deb is not just or most anyone. She is up there with the greats like Malcolm Tucker.

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                                                                                    monavano RE: dinwiddie May 17, 2013 11:33 AM

                                                                                    Oh that old chestnut. If it offends you, fine, but it's really lame to say that cursing is a sign of limited vocabulary.

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                                                                                      carolinadawg RE: monavano May 17, 2013 05:53 PM

                                                                                      It's really lame to claim that cussing makes one sound smarter or more sophisticated.

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                                                                                        monavano RE: carolinadawg May 17, 2013 05:55 PM

                                                                                        Yeah, that's not what I wrote. Perhaps cursing leads to better reading and comprehension skills?

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                                                                                    Hobbert RE: randyjl May 16, 2013 12:43 PM

                                                                                    I don't particularly care. I will say I swear too much in real life so I avoid it in the written word...and try to avoid it when speaking.

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                                                                                      Bkeats RE: randyjl May 17, 2013 09:04 AM

                                                                                      I'm not bothered by the appropriate use of profanity or vulgarity. Especially when someone knows the difference between them and knows how and when to use them. I'm probably going to sound like a goddamn fucking prick, but fuck is not profane, its vulgar - a vulgarity. Goddamn is profane. Keep the two fucking straight.

                                                                                      By the way, the 4th commandment is thou shalt not take the name of the lord thy god in vain. So it's a sin to say goddamn but you won't go to hell for saying fuck. I find it curious that most people I know are much more bothered by someone saying fuck than goddamn.

                                                                                      What bothers me more than swearing on the boards is all the fucking baby talk. If you're grown up enough to use the naughty words, stop using words like sammies and delish. Sheesh.

                                                                                      I've had plenty of posts deleted where I used perfectly polite language. I guess I was off topic. Watch this one get deleted.

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                                                                                        Servorg RE: Bkeats May 17, 2013 09:09 AM

                                                                                        "So it's a sin to say goddamn but you won't go to hell for saying fuck"

                                                                                        Although, my guess would be that, when you suddenly find yourself there, that particular word probably passes your lips more than a few times in that first moment of awareness...

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                                                                                          HillJ RE: Bkeats May 17, 2013 09:18 AM

                                                                                          Sammies and delish is baby talk? Sheesh. Where does this list of what offends end, really?

                                                                                          For my money, if you want to be an adult get on board with accepting how people communicate varies. It's childish to tell others what words they may use. Acceptance is maturity. We all fail at acceptance somewhere along the line-accept that!

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                                                                                            kattyeyes RE: HillJ May 17, 2013 09:25 AM

                                                                                            Word.

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                                                                                              Jay F RE: HillJ May 17, 2013 10:33 AM

                                                                                              "Sammies" is a shitload more cringeworthy than "fuck" could ever hope to be. And don't come anywhere near me with "yummy."

                                                                                              Maybe it's not baby talk, but it's hard for me to conjure a mental picture of anyone older than 6 saying "sammies" (unless, perhaps it's someone talking to a 6 year old).

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                                                                                                HillJ RE: Jay F May 17, 2013 10:35 AM

                                                                                                Then I'm afraid my point is of no use to you, Jay F. Because words do not make me cringe, attitudes do.

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                                                                                                  melpy RE: Jay F May 17, 2013 11:30 AM

                                                                                                  Sammie is more baby talk to me than yummy or delish.

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                                                                                                    HillJ RE: melpy May 17, 2013 11:34 AM

                                                                                                    That's really funny! You can pick one word over the other. I thought baby talk is the noise that comes out of an infant.

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                                                                                                      jrvedivici RE: melpy May 17, 2013 04:03 PM

                                                                                                      I'd like to know WTF a Sammie is!

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                                                                                                        kattyeyes RE: jrvedivici May 17, 2013 04:04 PM

                                                                                                        Sandwich, shortened to sammich, shortened to sammie.

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                                                                                                          linguafood RE: kattyeyes May 17, 2013 04:31 PM

                                                                                                          Dunno about others, but I loves me good fuckin' sammich.

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                                                                                                            kattyeyes RE: linguafood May 17, 2013 06:26 PM

                                                                                                            As do I--we eat them with great relish! Or should I say giardiniera?! ;)

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                                                                                                            jrvedivici RE: kattyeyes May 17, 2013 04:45 PM

                                                                                                            Heh, look at that! Learn something new everyday. Spanks!

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                                                                                                              kattyeyes RE: jrvedivici May 17, 2013 06:27 PM

                                                                                                              Now we've moved into corporal punishment, HEH HEH HEH! ;) Kidding, don't say I never gave you anything.

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                                                                                                        cowboyardee RE: Jay F May 17, 2013 12:28 PM

                                                                                                        Sympathy?

                                                                                                        Before my kid was born, I figured I would avoid cutesy-speech and also tone down my near-constant swearing. Enter a couple years of sleep deprivation and immersion in kiddie culture: my brain seems to have turned on me despite my efforts, and now I talk like a supremely vulgar 6 year old. It's awful. So though I can't blame you for cringing, perhaps you can take solace in the knowledge that it's not entirely voluntary, and that when cutesy-speak seeps into my adult conversations, I feel like stabbing my own fucking eyesie-wisies out.

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                                                                                                      sunshine842 RE: Bkeats May 17, 2013 06:18 PM

                                                                                                      Recommend, like, thumbs-up -- whatever you want to put out there.

                                                                                                      This post made me choke on my Cheerios, in a good way. (it's breakfast for dinner night)

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                                                                                                      treb RE: randyjl May 17, 2013 09:29 AM

                                                                                                      Interesting, I was reading that thread and wondered the same. I know that young children do read CH and would be concerned that they will pick up bad habits. I do think the f bomb should be prohibited.

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                                                                                                        juliejulez RE: treb May 17, 2013 09:41 AM

                                                                                                        Pretty sure if a young child is reading CH, they're probably reading other sites with bad language too.

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                                                                                                          MGZ RE: juliejulez May 17, 2013 09:46 AM

                                                                                                          And, more likely, naked ladies. Oh, the humanity!

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                                                                                                            jrvedivici RE: MGZ May 17, 2013 09:50 AM

                                                                                                            I, for one, would support that enhancement of Chow. :-)

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                                                                                                            pedalfaster RE: juliejulez May 17, 2013 11:51 AM

                                                                                                            And hopefully they are cooking up a storm!!!!

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                                                                                                            MGZ RE: treb May 17, 2013 09:44 AM

                                                                                                            I'm curious, what are the "bad habits"? The kid learns a word that is used pervasively in our everyday speech? Why cling to the silly taboo? That was the point of my Lenny Bruce reference above. He asserted the notion that words only retain offensiveness or power when ignorant people continued to let 'em be off limits and "wrong". Otherwise, no one would give a shit. Besides, if we didn't fuck those kids wouldn't be here to be damaged by our bad language, right?

                                                                                                            Words are words, nothin' more.

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                                                                                                              jrvedivici RE: treb May 17, 2013 09:48 AM

                                                                                                              I think in this world we live in, I would pray, that children would pick up their bad habit's from a site like this, rather than any one of the other million(s) of options out there.

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                                                                                                                melpy RE: jrvedivici May 17, 2013 11:31 AM

                                                                                                                I doubt someone is going to start swearing because try saw it on CH.

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                                                                                                                HillJ RE: treb May 17, 2013 10:33 AM

                                                                                                                treb I'd like to think of this concern as life habits-we can't raise our children in a bubble. and, all the plastic wrap we try to keep them protected under won't prepare them for leaving our nests and living their own adult lives. Which is what most parents eventually pray for-independent children!

                                                                                                                so, bad habits with or without profanity is already in place way before CH member registration. The site does have an age minimum last I read.

                                                                                                                Keep in mind, that if the F bomb is ever installed as a unacceptable word, that would also apply to CHOW content which can be very "colorful" as well.

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                                                                                                                pedalfaster RE: randyjl May 17, 2013 11:50 AM

                                                                                                                I would like to think that anyone old enough to surf the internets unsupervised is also mature enough to do so unedited.

                                                                                                                In cases of younger readers, that falls to the purview of the parents/legal guardians.

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                                                                                                                1. mcf RE: randyjl May 17, 2013 12:10 PM

                                                                                                                  Really?

                                                                                                                  That's one of the things I love about CH.

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                                                                                                                  1. Veggo RE: randyjl May 17, 2013 01:43 PM

                                                                                                                    A good writer can communicate unpleasant experiences without the use of profanity, and more artfully.

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                                                                                                                      grampart RE: Veggo May 17, 2013 01:50 PM

                                                                                                                      How 'bout the pleasant experiences?

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                                                                                                                        Veggo RE: grampart May 17, 2013 01:56 PM

                                                                                                                        Gentlemen don't tell.

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                                                                                                                        monavano RE: Veggo May 17, 2013 01:52 PM

                                                                                                                        But it's so much more fun to read with f bombs, at least Bourdain is, and he's no slouch as a writer.

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                                                                                                                          linguafood RE: Veggo May 17, 2013 01:54 PM

                                                                                                                          Bullshit '-D

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                                                                                                                            MGZ RE: Veggo May 17, 2013 01:59 PM

                                                                                                                            Veggo, with all of the respect I have for you as one a the true Alpha 'hounds, I have to disagree. I do agree that, a good writer can express "unpleasant experiences without the use of profanity", but, what if that writer was tryin' to express the "unpleasant experience" in the voice of the times, or of that of the soul who suffered?

                                                                                                                            I guess what I'm sayin' is language isn't that simple. The lines between speech and text blur, in part, because text needs to incorporate speech. For example, if you're a Fireman, tryin' to get down Tower 2 as it starts to implode, do you say, "Oh, my, this is bad luck?" or do you say, "Holy Fuck!!!"

                                                                                                                            I do submit to the notion that presentation of language is all context based. I would not write children's book that read like the Kama Sutra or a legal brief that started by pointing out that opposing counsel's arguments were "utter bullshit" (though, I have contemplated that one a coupla times). This Site, however, is conversational. We're not tryin' to be writers, we're just talkers.

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                                                                                                                              HillJ RE: MGZ May 17, 2013 02:07 PM

                                                                                                                              We're not tryin' to be writers, we're just talkers.
                                                                                                                              ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
                                                                                                                              amen.
                                                                                                                              I work hard enough!

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                                                                                                                                Veggo RE: HillJ May 17, 2013 02:16 PM

                                                                                                                                Writers give talkers a second bounce, and both must eat.
                                                                                                                                cheers, Veg

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                                                                                                                                  HillJ RE: Veggo May 17, 2013 02:18 PM

                                                                                                                                  V, the only CH adventure I'm after is fun and relaxation, YMMV.

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                                                                                                                                    Veggo RE: HillJ May 17, 2013 02:27 PM

                                                                                                                                    HJ, we enjoy both!

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                                                                                                                                      MGZ RE: Veggo May 17, 2013 02:34 PM

                                                                                                                                      Man, I'd be happy to cook for, or with, you two anytime. I'll be happy to bring any "sauce" you'd like to drink. I just ask that you forgive me if my "Jersey" comes out in my words.

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                                                                                                                                        HillJ RE: Veggo May 17, 2013 03:10 PM

                                                                                                                                        Yes we can, V. Yes we can.

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                                                                                                                                    MGZ RE: HillJ May 17, 2013 02:27 PM

                                                                                                                                    As you know, Hill, I've been tryin' to walk that walk and talk than talk for almost a year now. There are some really solid thoughts from others who disagree, and I respect 'em. I mean, JayF (who I assume will forgive me for mentioning him, but he's the most persuasive of the contrarians), has espoused some valid arguments for keepin' this site more text than talk. I see his point and have considered the ideas of all, but I think the future is "speak" over "write".

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                                                                                                                                      HillJ RE: MGZ May 17, 2013 03:09 PM

                                                                                                                                      MGZ, I enjoy everyone here. Everyone. Difference of opinion is what makes every thread (potentially) interesting. Whether I'm reading along or commenting-fun fun fun.

                                                                                                                                      I hope you don't read my voice as frustrated or angry ever-we're a forum of wordsmiths. Some better at it then others-cool! What I am is happy to share my opinion along with all the others here. But yessing anyone when I don't agree or don't understand is just not my style and I'm thrilled that I get treated the very same way.

                                                                                                                                      eta: another point is that nothing said on CH is absolute. I've seen opinions (including my own) change all the time. So why not accept that this is a community of light not heavy views that can change with the dinnerware and not get so hung up on every single word. I've seen shrugs appear at the end of many debated topics-in the end...we all go home and return to eat another day.

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                                                                                                                                    linguafood RE: MGZ May 17, 2013 02:24 PM

                                                                                                                                    Lewis Black has a pretty good take on the topic:

                                                                                                                                    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFr6P2...

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                                                                                                                                      Veggo RE: linguafood May 17, 2013 02:26 PM

                                                                                                                                      I bow to Lewis Black.

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                                                                                                                                        kattyeyes RE: linguafood May 17, 2013 03:24 PM

                                                                                                                                        MOST EXCELLENT! (pussyfeathers!)

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                                                                                                                                        PHREDDY RE: MGZ May 17, 2013 06:28 PM

                                                                                                                                        You did graduate from law school?

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                                                                                                                                        ttoommyy RE: Veggo May 17, 2013 02:11 PM

                                                                                                                                        "A good writer can communicate unpleasant experiences without the use of profanity, and more artfully."

                                                                                                                                        I absolutely disagree with this statement. Sometimes a profanity is the exact word needed to convey a feeling and using any substitution would seem false.

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                                                                                                                                          mcf RE: ttoommyy May 17, 2013 03:00 PM

                                                                                                                                          Yeah.

                                                                                                                                          Like, daily in my life.

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                                                                                                                                          mcf RE: Veggo May 17, 2013 02:58 PM

                                                                                                                                          And a great writer will use both, depending upon the connotations desired and circumstances.

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                                                                                                                                        3. NonnieMuss RE: randyjl May 17, 2013 03:45 PM

                                                                                                                                          I have no problem with bad words - I use them in my regular daily life, and will use it on the boards as I see fit. I do not mean to offend anyone, but look at what is allowed on network TV - primetime: Crap, hell, ass, damn, dick and tits. Go to basic cable and you can add goddamn and shit. Don't get me started on HBO.

                                                                                                                                          If children are reading this site, then it's up to their parents to be aware of the content, and police it as they see fit. I do not use bad language on a general message board, or the Disney website or anything. I do not intentionally curse around any children. I assume the majority of users here are adults. If they are not, then again it's the responsibility of the parents to monitor them and their internet usage. I worry more about kids picking up bad grammar and spelling from message boards than I do about bad language, which they will hear every day of their lives anyway. I learned most of the "bad" words I know at a Catholic summer camp.

                                                                                                                                          I hope CH continues to allow profanity on "it's" site (sic). So long as it is not directed at anyone personally. Consider the context and the audience.

                                                                                                                                          Fuck!

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                                                                                                                                            kattyeyes RE: NonnieMuss May 17, 2013 03:57 PM

                                                                                                                                            Rock on, Nonnie! ;)

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                                                                                                                                            miss_belle RE: randyjl May 17, 2013 03:57 PM

                                                                                                                                            I am a firm believer of free speech but it seems to me that some of the posters on this thread are using profanity for no good reason. Throwing the F word around just because they can. Whatever..

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                                                                                                                                              sunshine842 RE: miss_belle May 17, 2013 06:20 PM

                                                                                                                                              Yep -- ain't it fuckin' great?

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                                                                                                                                            2. Veggo RE: randyjl May 17, 2013 04:08 PM

                                                                                                                                              Potty-mouth women certainly aren't included in the Newport RI summer circuit, so they don't know what they are missing there.

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                                                                                                                                                grampart RE: Veggo May 17, 2013 04:43 PM

                                                                                                                                                Whether in speech or the wriiten word, I find it difficult to use the adjective "pompous" without following it with "asshole". Funny that.

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                                                                                                                                                  monavano RE: grampart May 17, 2013 04:48 PM

                                                                                                                                                  True dat.

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                                                                                                                                                    Veggo RE: grampart May 17, 2013 04:53 PM

                                                                                                                                                    Apparently neither difficult nor funny, in your world.

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                                                                                                                                                2. sunshine842 RE: randyjl May 17, 2013 06:24 PM

                                                                                                                                                  whose standards are we going to use?

                                                                                                                                                  Other cultures IN the Anglophone world place different "weight" on the various dirty words -- like the appearance of "fuck" on the radio during daylight hours in England.

                                                                                                                                                  Full frontal nudity appears on television in a lot of the world outside the US.

                                                                                                                                                  Let's not further our reputation as the world's prudes by feigning a hissy fit over the appearance of a word on what is one of the more cogent and literate discussion forums out there on the intarwebs.

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                                                                                                                                                    treb RE: randyjl May 17, 2013 06:53 PM

                                                                                                                                                    OK, I'm waiting for the first to create a CH topic, "F**KING Worst restaurant you've eaten at in (insert your board location)".

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                                                                                                                                                      HillJ RE: treb May 17, 2013 06:57 PM

                                                                                                                                                      treb, because I like you I want to share this CH search engine link with you. The word has already been used in headings, threads and topics on CHOW & CH for quite some time. It's not forbidden fruit.

                                                                                                                                                      http://www.chow.com/search?query=fuck...

                                                                                                                                                      http://www.chow.com/search?query=fuck...

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                                                                                                                                                        treb RE: HillJ May 17, 2013 07:01 PM

                                                                                                                                                        I guess I've led a sheltered life!

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                                                                                                                                                          HillJ RE: treb May 17, 2013 07:03 PM

                                                                                                                                                          Funny thing is treb, I could find those references in about 4 seconds but I can't find a recipe that CH ghg posted 3 years ago!! Go figure!

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                                                                                                                                                    2. Atomic76 RE: randyjl May 17, 2013 08:15 PM

                                                                                                                                                      This is a cooking forum, not a church or daycare for kids.

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                                                                                                                                                        It seems like we've covered most the ground there is to cover on this topic, and now we're finding that people are getting a bit testy with each other, so we're going to lock it now.

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