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The Single Most Overrated Dish

Perilagu Khan May 14, 2013 09:13 AM

IMO, its the kebab. Any kind of kebab. They sound great in theory. What's not to love about your favorite meats and vegetables grilled together in loving propinquity? Alas, once the kebab leaves the realm of my mind and my plate, and passes my lips, its allure vanishes. Oh, the first several bites are nice, but soon thereafter eating kebabs becomes an exercise in tedium.

Well, that's my nomination. What's yours?

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  1. tcamp RE: Perilagu Khan May 14, 2013 09:25 AM

    I am nominating crabcakes. At best, crab with filler. At worst, undercooked in the middle, underseasoned, plain old boring. I've had far more at the bottom of the scale than the top. Total waste of good crab.

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    1. re: tcamp
      JayL RE: tcamp May 14, 2013 09:32 AM

      If you're eating crab with filler, you're not getting the "at best" part you mention.


      1. re: JayL
        tcamp RE: JayL May 14, 2013 09:34 AM

        You may be right, but I've tried. Everyone else is raving and me, meh. Now I just steer clear.

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          JayL RE: tcamp May 14, 2013 09:45 AM

          The best are those made with zero filler at all. They aren't easy to find so I completely understand your stance.

          A few restaurants will make them with no bread crumbs at all...they are hard to cook w/o the extra binder, but it's possible.

          But we all have individual tastes...and that's a good thing.

          1. re: JayL
            monavano RE: JayL May 14, 2013 09:47 AM

            No bread crumbs, but I do use saltines which just melt into the cake. i'm lucky to get lump and jumbo lump from the Chesapeake, so I'm spoiled!

            1. re: monavano
              JayL RE: monavano May 15, 2013 06:40 AM

              In North Carolina we're lucky in that we ship most of our crab harvest (the largest fishery in the state) north to the Chesapeake Bay states so that you all can enjoy it! LoL

              1. re: JayL
                MGZ RE: JayL May 15, 2013 06:48 AM

                The largest fishery in NC is crab? That's fascinating. I woulda thought it was bass or a freshwater fish. I've never had (knowingly) NC crab, but then again I usually either catch my own or get 'em from someone I know.

                I tried to look it up, but can't find any information. Help?

                1. re: MGZ
                  monavano RE: MGZ May 15, 2013 07:36 AM

                  I know I've seen Costco's lump crab that is packaged in NC. No idea what that means as far as to where it came from in the first place.

                  1. re: MGZ
                    drongo RE: MGZ May 15, 2013 08:18 AM

                    MGZ, here are some quotes from the web, with links:

                    "The majority of whole blue crabs sold in Maryland restaurants are shipped in from North Carolina, Louisiana, Florida and Texas, while recipes requiring crabmeat are imported from overseas."

                    Blue Crab is "North Carolina’s (N.C.’s) most valuable commercial fishery and ranks first in pounds harvested."

                    Some websites indicate that North Carolina is the state with the largest blue crab harvest in the USA. But it looks like Maryland is again the nation's top producer: "The rebound in blue crab populations in the Chesapeake Bay was evidenced by the fact that Maryland regained its spot as the top producing state, with about 25% of the harvest."
                    http://www.fishchoice.com/For-BUYERS/... (updated April 2013)

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                      MGZ RE: drongo May 15, 2013 08:19 AM


                      1. re: drongo
                        KrumTx RE: drongo May 15, 2013 11:19 AM

                        That's interesting about Carolina. I watch Deadliest Catch and the blue crab hunt seems brutal, as in tough to find. Of course, that's a television show.

                        1. re: KrumTx
                          512window RE: KrumTx May 15, 2013 05:29 PM

                          The blue crab in Carolina (and Chesapeake Bay) has nothing to do with the blue crab on Deadliest Catch. In Alaska they are fishing for blue colored King crab.

                          1. re: 512window
                            KrumTx RE: 512window May 15, 2013 07:00 PM

                            I had no idea. Thanks. Who knew? (besides everybody but me)

                            1. re: KrumTx
                              Perilagu Khan RE: KrumTx May 15, 2013 07:02 PM

                              You're from Krum, Texas. What the hell would you know about blue crab? ;)

                              1. re: Perilagu Khan
                                KrumTx RE: Perilagu Khan May 15, 2013 07:05 PM

                                Ha! Apparently not much. Must be my degree from Texas Tech. (Aren't you in Lubbock?)

                                1. re: KrumTx
                                  Perilagu Khan RE: KrumTx May 15, 2013 07:10 PM

                                  I'm working on my doctorate in crabiculture. The playa lakes and Double Mountain Fork of the Brazos are just teeming with 'em.

                                  1. re: Perilagu Khan
                                    alliegator RE: Perilagu Khan May 16, 2013 09:28 AM

                                    Y'know, I found that I just wasn't getting the best possible crab education in Texas. But here in Phoenix, I've joined a wonderful program for General Decapod Crustacean Studies. Very enriching.

                                    1. re: alliegator
                                      Perilagu Khan RE: alliegator May 16, 2013 09:48 AM

                                      Lotsa sand crabs out that way, I gather.

                                      1. re: Perilagu Khan
                                        alliegator RE: Perilagu Khan May 16, 2013 11:45 AM

                                        Well, they are mighty tasty, and the amount of meat on those suckers is off the charts. But I prefer to gamble with my car, jewelry, and life and head down to Puerto Penasco for all my crabbing needs.

                                2. re: Perilagu Khan
                                  Vinnie Vidimangi RE: Perilagu Khan May 27, 2013 02:54 AM

                                  Lots, probably. I once got crabs in Ardmore, which is just up the road and I was there only overnight. Didn't check the colour.

                                3. re: KrumTx
                                  512window RE: KrumTx May 16, 2013 02:18 PM

                                  Sig and Edgar?

                                  Hey, who says television isn't educational?

                            2. re: drongo
                              FriedClamFanatic RE: drongo May 16, 2013 07:51 PM

                              But........MD and DE and VA do their part........most of the "Ipswich-type" clams you get in NE come from those shores!

                              1. re: drongo
                                Nanzi RE: drongo Jul 20, 2013 06:59 AM

                                In MD this year they are saying the crab population is way down from the past. Part of the blame they are putting on Sandy for shifting silt over the grasses where the crabs breed and the babies grow. They are also blaming fish which they say they are finding with baby crabs in their stomachs. I live in DE so this is kind of local news.
                                We don't eat a lot of crabs, but when the harvest is down the price per bushel goes way up.

                            3. re: JayL
                              monavano RE: JayL May 15, 2013 07:35 AM

                              Actually, as I said, I buy crab that was plucked from the Bay, not from NC.

                              1. re: JayL
                                monavano RE: JayL May 15, 2013 07:35 AM

                                I have no idea why that makes YOU lucky.

                        2. re: JayL
                          GH1618 RE: JayL May 14, 2013 02:26 PM

                          The right way to make a crab cake is with a binder, but it shouldn't overwhelm the crab. It isn't "filler" because it isn't there merely to stretch the crab but to give the cake the proper consistency.

                          But granted, it isn't the best way to have crab. I'll take a Crab Louis.

                          1. re: GH1618
                            tim irvine RE: GH1618 May 14, 2013 04:42 PM

                            Crab Norfolk isn't bad either. I don't know if they have a different name for it, but I love it on Smithfield ham. Thin slice of ham, big pile of crabmeat, butter. With cold beer.

                            1. re: GH1618
                              tcamp RE: GH1618 May 14, 2013 06:02 PM

                              The best crab I ever had (blue crab, that is) was something along these lines at a friend's place in Annapolis:


                              I've been around great crab cakes (according to my dining companions) - I just don't love crabs in that preparation.

                          2. re: tcamp
                            juliejulez RE: tcamp May 16, 2013 12:22 PM

                            You know, this reminds me. I had a 12 course tasting menu dinner at Tru in Chicago a few years back. At that time it was ranked as one of the world's best restaurants. There were only 2 things I ate that night that I didn't like. 1 was the amuse bouche, no clue what was in it other than caviar, but the whole thing was not good. The second was the crab cake.

                            1. re: tcamp
                              globocity RE: tcamp May 22, 2013 06:51 PM

                              Oh but real crab-filled cakes are so damn tasty.

                              1. re: tcamp
                                fldhkybnva RE: tcamp May 27, 2013 08:41 AM

                                SO often demands crab cakes because he loves them so much. I love crabs as well. Crab cakes are OK, but I love steamed hard shell crabs and the whole picking eating adventure. Well, I shelled out an arm and a leg for lump crab which was quite expensive given I'm in Maryland and whipped up some crab cakes with very minimal filler such that they had to handled with kid gloves and very fragile. SO loved them, to me they were just OK, but nothing I'd ever request to eat. If you offered me a bushel of steamed crab though I'd be right there bib on and ready to go!

                                1. re: fldhkybnva
                                  sandylc RE: fldhkybnva Jun 28, 2013 08:52 AM

                                  I do something completely different with my crab cakes; I put lots of crisp vegetables in them. And I bind them with an extra-thick béchamel. Not traditional, probably illegal (ha), but I like them much better than the ones that are 99.9% crab.

                                2. re: tcamp
                                  Gastronomos RE: tcamp Jun 28, 2013 09:47 AM

                                  memories of crab cakes as a kid in and around NYC and suburbs was the classic "french" method of using scallops as a binder (pureed in food processor with cream) and bread as a filler, lightly seasoned, with variations adding some finely diced bell pepper (a chef trick in seafood to mask any "unpleasant fishyness") and maybe a small sprinkle of parsley for color. Flat top in butter or deep fried to order or sitting endlessly on a steam table as the 70's wore on...

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                                    Firegoat RE: Gastronomos Jul 20, 2013 08:31 AM

                                    You had me until the diced bell pepper. That's a flat out no for me in crab cakes

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                                      sandylc RE: Firegoat Jul 20, 2013 09:55 AM

                                      It's a must for me.

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                                        The Professor RE: sandylc Jul 24, 2013 11:10 AM

                                        Me too. Especially _red_ bell pepper.

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                                          Firegoat RE: The Professor Jul 26, 2013 05:53 AM

                                          I dont' know what it is about them. I've tried them. I've tried to like them. They just trigger a gag reflex in me and ruin everything they touch. I'm the same way about some olives. No idea why.

                                3. alliegator RE: Perilagu Khan May 14, 2013 09:32 AM

                                  I might get flamed for this one, but the burger is it for me. Ground meat, a bunch of other stuff on top, bun. I'm just not in love with it.

                                  Good topic!

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                                  1. re: alliegator
                                    monavano RE: alliegator May 14, 2013 09:49 AM

                                    I think the burger is so darn ubiquitous that it's not given the proper attention to detail, like the right mix of cuts, fresh seasonal toppings to include a good tomato, or no tomato at all, and a proper bun, griddled with butter.

                                    1. re: alliegator
                                      JayL RE: alliegator May 14, 2013 09:57 AM

                                      I love burgers.

                                      It's such a versatile dish. The toppings can be as traditional, heavy, sparse, or eclectic as you wish. The meat can be from any cut or any blend of cuts (the possibilities go into infinity really). It doesn't even have to be all beef...or beef at all! The grind can be varied for textural differences. Cooking methods alone can change the taste...grilled, cooked on a flat grill to give that crisp exterior, briefly placed in a smoker before or after cooking, I've even seen them slid into a fryer and cooked through. Flavors change between thick burgers and thin burgers.

                                      Then you come to that bun you mention. How many types of bread can you sandwich your perfect burger between? Holy Cow! You name it, you can make a burger out of it. There are regular buns, fancy buns, bready buns, tasty buns, or just plain 'ol sliced bread. You can serve the bun as-is, or you can steam it or toast it...you can cook it on a grill or a flat griddle for different flavors. The bun can be seasoned before cooking or cooked plain.

                                      Such a versatile food to be considered overrated.

                                      1. re: JayL
                                        monavano RE: JayL May 14, 2013 10:01 AM

                                        Like lamb and bison burgers. So good!

                                      2. re: alliegator
                                        juliejulez RE: alliegator May 14, 2013 01:35 PM

                                        See I don't like a bunch of other stuff on top. Maybe cheese and bacon, that's it. But I'm happy with a big ole meat patty and nothing else, assuming it's good meat. I don't like all those fancy burgers with all kinds of toppings and sauces.

                                        1. re: juliejulez
                                          grampart RE: juliejulez May 14, 2013 02:28 PM

                                          When I was a kid, if you wanted even lettuce and tomato on your burger, you had to order it California style and that raised the price to 35 cents. We ate them unadorned.

                                          1. re: grampart
                                            juliejulez RE: grampart May 14, 2013 02:35 PM

                                            That's the way it should be. I end up paying for a bunch of toppings I don't even want now.

                                            1. re: juliejulez
                                              RobertLaughlin RE: juliejulez May 14, 2013 07:27 PM

                                              I like Salisbury steak, but putting a bun around it ruins it.

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                                                juliejulez RE: RobertLaughlin May 15, 2013 09:09 AM

                                                I don't think a hamburger and salisbury steak are the same. Salisbury steak has stuff mixed in with the meat... I compare them more to meatballs, just flattened.

                                                1. re: juliejulez
                                                  fldhkybnva RE: juliejulez May 15, 2013 09:17 AM

                                                  They are both OK t me but I much prefer a hamburger. I too see them as different and don't really get the point of Salisbury steak. Although tasty I guess I'd rather just put the gravy on a steak.

                                                  1. re: fldhkybnva
                                                    juliejulez RE: fldhkybnva May 15, 2013 10:50 AM

                                                    I think salisbury steak, like meatballs, are better when reheated when compared to burgers, hence their popularity in frozen dinners. But that's the only reason I could think of to eat salisbury steak instead of a hamburger.

                                                    1. re: fldhkybnva
                                                      KrumTx RE: fldhkybnva May 15, 2013 11:22 AM

                                                      If you were old, like me, you'd know the best thing about Salisbury steak is the memory of it in a frozen Swanson dinner, eaten with a once-a-week bottled Coca-Cola while watching Donny & Marie. Be glad you were born after those times:)

                                                      1. re: KrumTx
                                                        chowser RE: KrumTx May 15, 2013 11:44 AM

                                                        With mashed potatoes and corn. We loved when my parents went out for dinner because that's what we'd get.

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                                                          KrumTx RE: chowser May 15, 2013 11:46 AM

                                                          Did the Salisbury steak have the brownie or was that the fried chicken? I just remember putting my fork into the brownie for a piece and the whole dang thing would come out, rounded sides and all.

                                                          1. re: KrumTx
                                                            chowser RE: KrumTx May 15, 2013 12:04 PM

                                                            I think the brownies came w/ the fried chicken, or another dinner because it was always a tough decision between salisbury steak, which was my favorite and not having brownies or the other w/ brownies. I haven't had one in 40 years about and am now wondering if I'd find it edible. I used to love them.

                                                            1. re: chowser
                                                              schrutefarms RE: chowser May 15, 2013 12:08 PM

                                                              Maybe the salisbury steak came with the apples?

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                                                                chowser RE: schrutefarms May 15, 2013 12:14 PM

                                                                Good memory. I think you're right because I hated the apples and wanted the brownies, come to think of it. Tough decisions when you're 7 or 8.

                                                                1. re: chowser
                                                                  schrutefarms RE: chowser May 15, 2013 12:40 PM

                                                                  Haha, I always loved the apples. Which sucked because I always wanted the fried chicken. Yeah, if only our problems could still be that simple!!

                                                              2. re: chowser
                                                                FriedClamFanatic RE: chowser May 16, 2013 07:54 PM


                                                                When I got my first TV dinners of Salisbury Steak and Fried Chicken, there WAS NO SUCH THING as a brownie in it!...........And Donnie and Marie!!!!!!!!!! My Gawd......let's go back to Syd Caesar

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                                                                  Bkeats RE: FriedClamFanatic May 16, 2013 08:24 PM

                                                                  Syd Caeser? Is that Julius Caeser's brother?

                                                                  1. re: Bkeats
                                                                    FriedClamFanatic RE: Bkeats May 16, 2013 08:36 PM

                                                                    Yeah, and Ernie Kovacs was just silly man with a mustache!

                                                                    1. re: FriedClamFanatic
                                                                      The Professor RE: FriedClamFanatic May 19, 2013 12:31 AM

                                                                      ...and damned funny, too.

                                                                      1. re: FriedClamFanatic
                                                                        grampart RE: FriedClamFanatic May 19, 2013 05:05 AM

                                                                        Hipper even than Lord Buckley, he was a man ahead of his time.

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                                                                          FriedClamFanatic RE: grampart May 19, 2013 08:47 AM

                                                                          And most of it was "live".you flub, you try and make the most of a flub

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                                                                            grampart RE: FriedClamFanatic May 19, 2013 08:54 AM

                                                                            And old Ernie had a very hot wife! EEFUM!!!!!

                                                                            1. re: grampart
                                                                              FriedClamFanatic RE: grampart May 19, 2013 08:37 PM

                                                                              And sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.......unless Edie adams was doing the commercial!

                                                                      2. re: Bkeats
                                                                        VenusCafe RE: Bkeats Dec 11, 2013 11:40 AM

                                                                        More like Julius Caesar's SISTER!
                                                                        ...now SID Caesar was funny!

                                                                        1. re: Bkeats
                                                                          VenusCafe RE: Bkeats Dec 11, 2013 11:44 AM

                                                                          More like Julius Caesar's SISTER!
                                                                          ...now SID Caesar was a funny guy!

                                                                    2. re: KrumTx
                                                                      EM23 RE: KrumTx May 15, 2013 01:13 PM

                                                                      The chocolate flavored sponge! I was all about the whipped potatoes.

                                                                  2. re: KrumTx
                                                                    thimes RE: KrumTx May 15, 2013 12:27 PM

                                                                    . . . . on a folding TV tray in the family room. :D

                                                                    1. re: thimes
                                                                      Perilagu Khan RE: thimes May 15, 2013 01:23 PM

                                                                      With the Quasar in the corner and Ted Baxter intoning the evening news.

                                                                    2. re: KrumTx
                                                                      Fowler RE: KrumTx May 16, 2013 08:41 PM

                                                                      Would you say you are a little more country or a little more rock 'n roll? :-)

                                                                  3. re: juliejulez
                                                                    The Professor RE: juliejulez May 15, 2013 06:33 PM

                                                                    Hamburgers can have things mixed in with the beef. And it isn't always a bad thing. The best burger I've ever had was around 10% pork. And other burgers I've had around the country were made with some panade and seasonings.

                                                                    Those are still hamburgers. And damned good ones, too.

                                                                    1. re: The Professor
                                                                      juliejulez RE: The Professor May 16, 2013 10:40 AM

                                                                      Yes but at least for me, I don't want to see my hamburger with egg and breadcrumbs in it. That just makes it a flat meatball.

                                                                      My own personal ground hamburgers have bacon ground up in them, so a mix of meats is not the issue... it's adding in non-meat ingredients. Don't even get me started on adding in stuff like onions....

                                                              3. re: grampart
                                                                VenusCafe RE: grampart May 17, 2013 11:13 AM

                                                                When I saw and had my first California burger in 1964, it was as if I had died and gone to heaven! Lettuce (the dreaded iceberg that I love), tomato and thousand island dressing. OMG!
                                                                THEN I found my first REAL supermarket, after living in Chicago, NYC and New Orleans, my blink rate totally halted!
                                                                Then, that same year I found my first Japanese lunch with
                                                                bronze leaf lettuce salad and tempura'd shrimp and veggies!
                                                                Hail CA!

                                                          2. monavano RE: Perilagu Khan May 14, 2013 09:51 AM

                                                            A kabob is interesting to me, what's not so much are long swords of chicken, cow and lamb. Just puts me off with the though of it.

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                                                              cwdonald RE: Perilagu Khan May 14, 2013 09:52 AM

                                                              If that is all the kebab is to you. then you are perhaps eating sub standard kebab... if it is grilled over open coals, marinated with interesting flavors, and the variety of things that can be turned into kebab (lamb, pork, beef, chicken, fish, shellfish, vegetables, ground meat etc) it really has a lot to offer. Perhaps the dried out meat served with rice pilaf is where it has landed in the american lexicon of pseudo ethnic foods, but when done right it really is a thing of beauty.

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                                                                kengk RE: cwdonald May 14, 2013 09:55 AM

                                                                I agree with the suckage of the kebab but I swear that my head is about to explode over somebody maligning my beloved hamburgers.

                                                                1. re: cwdonald
                                                                  Savour RE: cwdonald May 14, 2013 10:20 AM

                                                                  I think it's also useful to distinguish between shish kebab (often meh) and the hyperdeliciousness that is something like a lula kebab.

                                                                  1. re: Savour
                                                                    Perilagu Khan RE: Savour May 14, 2013 10:59 AM

                                                                    The lone kebab I'd readily try again is a tandoori sea bass kebab I had many years ago. It was sublime. I've never since tasted its equal.

                                                                    1. re: Perilagu Khan
                                                                      lsmutko RE: Perilagu Khan May 14, 2013 05:24 PM

                                                                      I agree with the kebab, at least the homemade kind I've been subjected to. My husband always suggests them as a "easy," "time-saving" way to feed a crowd. There's way too much slicing, marinating and skewering to make it "easy." We usually disagree about how to skewer, too. I like to make them all-meat or all-fish, then the veg on separate skewers. Because generally, I find all the ingredients cook to their optimal point at different times.

                                                                      Generally what I get at other people's picnics or dinners have overdone meat and veg burned on the outside yet raw closer in. And everyone else seems to love them that way.

                                                                      1. re: lsmutko
                                                                        Perilagu Khan RE: lsmutko May 14, 2013 06:24 PM

                                                                        I think it's the idea of the kebab that is so appealing to people. And the ideal tends to override the reality. Did for me for the longest.

                                                                        1. re: Perilagu Khan
                                                                          lsmutko RE: Perilagu Khan May 21, 2013 08:21 AM

                                                                          And we were discussing what to cook over the Memorial Day weekend away and one of the friends we're going with said, "Kabobs, so we can keep this easy."

                                                                          Oh well.

                                                                  2. re: cwdonald
                                                                    Perilagu Khan RE: cwdonald May 14, 2013 10:23 AM

                                                                    I've had all sorts of kebabs, containing all my favorite things, marinated in many a way, and they just don't melt my butter. I've tried to like them, but have resigned myself to hating them instead. That's more honest.

                                                                  3. Terrie H. RE: Perilagu Khan May 14, 2013 10:07 AM

                                                                    I think it's more of an execution issue rather than a single dish that doesn't work. A great kebab is, well, great! A great crabcake is more than sublime.

                                                                    Perhaps your question might be what dishes are most ruined by too many people?

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                                                                    1. re: Terrie H.
                                                                      ferret RE: Terrie H. May 14, 2013 11:03 AM

                                                                      Hear hear. A kebab isn't a "single" dish, there are as many variants as there are people who prepare them. Ditto all the other dishes mentioned here. It's hard to condemn an entire category of food simply because the examples you had weren't to your liking.

                                                                    2. MGZ RE: Perilagu Khan May 14, 2013 10:15 AM

                                                                      Mac 'n Cheese. Never had one I thought was anything special.

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                                                                        hyacinthgirl RE: MGZ May 15, 2013 10:39 AM

                                                                        I had one that seemed sublime once, but it was after a day of skiing and a lot of whiskey, so that might explain why I've never been able to replicate my enjoyment.

                                                                        1. re: hyacinthgirl
                                                                          MGZ RE: hyacinthgirl May 15, 2013 10:40 AM

                                                                          I'm good with most any food after skiing and whiskey.

                                                                        2. re: MGZ
                                                                          RetiredChef RE: MGZ Jul 21, 2013 09:27 AM

                                                                          +1, That would be my choice.

                                                                        3. Savour RE: Perilagu Khan May 14, 2013 10:22 AM

                                                                          Red velvet cake. Everyone goes nuts for red velvet cake, but I'd rather eat an actual chocolate cake, or a carrot cake with cream cheese frosting, or really, almost any other type of cake.

                                                                          Also, cake pops. But I think we've covered those.

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                                                                          1. re: Savour
                                                                            tzurriz RE: Savour May 14, 2013 10:25 AM

                                                                            Cake in general. Blah. Too sweet, too much, just, ick. I'd much rather have a pie, crisp, cobbler, crumble, cookie, or really almost anything over cake. Ugh.

                                                                            1. re: Savour
                                                                              jbsiegel RE: Savour May 14, 2013 03:45 PM

                                                                              Along these same lines - macaroons and donuts.

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                                                                                chowser RE: jbsiegel May 14, 2013 05:01 PM

                                                                                Good donuts are hard to find. There is a proliferation of bad donuts. But, one the rare occasion I've had a good donut....mmmmm.

                                                                                1. re: jbsiegel
                                                                                  hyacinthgirl RE: jbsiegel May 15, 2013 10:39 AM

                                                                                  NOOOOO!!! Macaroons and donuts are amazing! But I'll agree they have to be done well, bad ones of either are very meh.

                                                                                  1. re: jbsiegel
                                                                                    globocity RE: jbsiegel May 22, 2013 06:53 PM

                                                                                    Just curious if you're referencing macarons--the little French cake-like treats.
                                                                                    Because I don't recall reading or hearing of macaroons being highly touted.

                                                                                  2. re: Savour
                                                                                    biondanonima RE: Savour May 14, 2013 06:59 PM

                                                                                    I cannot ditto this enough. I also REALLY do not understand the recent craze for making red velvet "flavored" things. Red velvet HAS NO DISTINCTIVE FLAVOR. It tastes like a crappy white cake with a shitload of food coloring. What, then, is the red velvet flavor in red velvet pancakes, doughnuts, etc.? Do people LIKE the flavor of food coloring??? Ugh.

                                                                                    1. re: Savour
                                                                                      BlueHerons RE: Savour May 14, 2013 07:31 PM

                                                                                      Actually, real red velvet cake is actually a chocolate cake. My aunt makes one to die for but I've had the ones you are describing.

                                                                                      1. re: BlueHerons
                                                                                        sandylc RE: BlueHerons May 14, 2013 09:22 PM

                                                                                        But there is only a tiny bit of cocoa in EVERY recipe I've ever seen - hardly chocolate cake!

                                                                                        1. re: sandylc
                                                                                          biondanonima RE: sandylc May 15, 2013 08:36 AM

                                                                                          Exactly. From what I understand, real red velvet cake is a buttermilk cake, with just a small amount of cocoa. I have no problem with buttermilk cake (though it's generally too sweet for my taste), but I think the addition of cocoa actually muddles the flavor. Add food coloring on top and you've just got a mess on your hands.

                                                                                      2. re: Savour
                                                                                        liza219 RE: Savour May 14, 2013 10:27 PM

                                                                                        Yes! My husband, a trained baker, as well as myself (not formally trained, but not bad in the kitchen) don't get it! Give me chocolate cake, or even plain yellow cake, instead!

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                                                                                          fldhkybnva RE: Savour May 15, 2013 08:58 AM

                                                                                          I don't get it either and wish I knew the difference between it and chocolate cake with red-food coloring which it seems someone elaborated on below. It doesn't even taste like good chocolate cake to me.

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                                                                                            liza219 RE: Savour May 16, 2013 10:01 PM


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                                                                                              Unraveled RE: Savour May 22, 2013 06:13 AM

                                                                                              I feel like the cupcake "boom" has spurred the love of red velvet to the masses. I've seen co-workers drool over red velvet cupcakes. I don't see the fuss either.

                                                                                              1. re: Savour
                                                                                                kittyfood RE: Savour Jul 20, 2013 06:48 AM

                                                                                                The mysterious thing to me about this craze for red velvet cake is that there is no such thing as red velvet flavor. It is just sweetness with a tiny bit of chocolate. Does all that redness cause people to discern a specific flavor?

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                                                                                                  Rilke RE: kittyfood Jul 20, 2013 07:47 AM

                                                                                                  I like red velvet. But I'm just crazy for cream cheese frosting, and I like the hint of chocolate in there.

                                                                                                  But it's mostly the frosting.

                                                                                                2. re: Savour
                                                                                                  lireland RE: Savour Jul 24, 2013 11:59 AM

                                                                                                  I second your vote on red velvet cake. Yuck! Doesn't have enough chocolate to taste like chocolate, not enough vanilla to taste like vanilla, and no other flavor to cover up the chemical taste from all that food coloring. And calling it "chemical" is being kind, when you think that red color really comes from ground up cockroaches (or is it the chemical equivalent of that nowadays?), I don't know how anybody eats it without gagging.

                                                                                                3. RealMenJulienne RE: Perilagu Khan May 14, 2013 10:32 AM

                                                                                                  Anything based on raw meat or fish. Sashimi, steak tartare, kitfo, carpaccio, etc. I have no medical aversion to raw meats so this is a purely culinary thing. Raw animal muscle is underflavored and usually has an unpleasant rubbery texture. There's a reason we invented cooking; it develops flavors and makes food taste better.

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                                                                                                    Bkeats RE: RealMenJulienne May 14, 2013 10:39 AM

                                                                                                    Ack! You've nominated some of my most favorite things to eat. Oh well, to each his own.

                                                                                                    What I would add is anything cooked in a slow cooker/crock pot. Ease of execution does not make up for mushy over cooked grey greasy food. Sure you can do things to avoid any of those adjectives, but then you're probably starting in another pan and adding stuff to the crock pot for the final cooking and if you're doing that, what's the point of the crock pot?

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                                                                                                      monavano RE: Bkeats May 14, 2013 10:54 AM

                                                                                                      Saves money, saves or frees up space and it doesn't bother me to set it and forget it all day (and night for stock), unlike an oven.
                                                                                                      My browning dishes are long since cleaned and the kitchen pretty much immaculate by the time dinner is ready, and believe me, that's a huge bonus when I don't feel like cleaning up a mess later in the day (and believe me, I can turn out a mess!).

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                                                                                                        chowser RE: Bkeats May 14, 2013 12:47 PM

                                                                                                        Yeah, I'd say 90+% of the dishes/recipes fro crockpot are worst than anything I've read in this list (although cake pops are pretty close) but I chalk it up to user error. If I have time mid-morning to prep/cook and put everything in the crock pot; and don't plan to be home until after 7, it's the perfect vehicle for making dinner. And, that's more common than not on a week night. Rice cooker, crock pot--dinner when we walk in the door.

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                                                                                                          jw615 RE: Bkeats May 14, 2013 06:32 PM

                                                                                                          Slow cookers are great for soups and stews, at least at my house.

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                                                                                                            tastesgoodwhatisit RE: Bkeats May 14, 2013 08:58 PM

                                                                                                            I've recently gotten a slow cooker. I find that it's very easy to produce over cooked, soupy, muddy tasting mush (which includes about 95% of available recipes). Producing food I want to eat is harder.

                                                                                                            I find the big issue is cooking time. I bought it so that I can do slow cooked meals when we're at work during the day - soups, stews, curries, potroast, etc. But with modern slow cookers, I find anything more than about 6-7 hours on low overcooks meat into dryness and vegetables into mush. So I've been experimenting with a timer on the power outlet.

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                                                                                                              monavano RE: tastesgoodwhatisit May 15, 2013 07:40 AM

                                                                                                              I've found that nowadays with newer slow cookers, you have to really search for one that has a true "low" temp, even one you can control.
                                                                                                              I gave one away that was barely used because it cooked too high. The one I have now is perfect, and just because slow cooking is known for being easy, it doesn't mean you can get great results without some sort of learning curve.
                                                                                                              eta: find one with a warm setting too.

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                                                                                                                tysonmcneely RE: tastesgoodwhatisit May 15, 2013 09:31 AM

                                                                                                                I just got a crock pot a few months ago myself and totally agree with you. Could you point me toward the timer/power outlet product you use and give me your thoughts on it? Thanks!

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                                                                                                                laliz RE: Bkeats May 15, 2013 01:50 PM

                                                                                                                ack. I put a chuck roast in the slow cooker once a week, just seasoned with salt & pepper and worchestershire.

                                                                                                              3. re: RealMenJulienne
                                                                                                                Chemicalkinetics RE: RealMenJulienne May 14, 2013 02:08 PM

                                                                                                                <There's a reason we invented cooking; it develops flavors and makes food taste better.>

                                                                                                                I think the real reason is to prevent us from dying.

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                                                                                                                  Veggo RE: Chemicalkinetics May 14, 2013 02:20 PM

                                                                                                                  Delay, not prevent...:)

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                                                                                                                    Chemicalkinetics RE: Veggo May 14, 2013 03:36 PM

                                                                                                                    Good point.

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                                                                                                                      chowser RE: Veggo May 14, 2013 05:01 PM

                                                                                                                      Seriously? I was going to start cooking all my food in hopes that I'd live forever.

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                                                                                                                        Kalivs RE: Veggo May 14, 2013 09:42 PM

                                                                                                                        Hmmm...I think cooking is supposed to render food more digestible and make it easier to absorb its nutrients. However, I know I have made meals that have hastened rather than delayed my death.

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                                                                                                                          Chemicalkinetics RE: Kalivs May 14, 2013 09:52 PM

                                                                                                                          <However, I know I have made meals that have hastened rather than delayed my death.>

                                                                                                                          Cooking foods have many effects on human consumption. Yes, the cooked food will produce different smell and taste. The cooked foods are likely to be more easily digested -- which some has credited cooking lead to increase of brain size (another story).

                                                                                                                          When I wrote that cooking prevent/delay death, I was referring to killing bacteria or parasites. Prior to the practice of cooking, eating raw foods can be potential dangerous and harmful. That is before the time of fire, before the time of refrigerator, when human ancestors were scavengers.

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                                                                                                                            Kalivs RE: Chemicalkinetics May 14, 2013 10:11 PM

                                                                                                                            Sorry, I wasn't referring to anything bad about the food, just my lack of cooking skills! With practice, I have gotten better

                                                                                                                    2. re: RealMenJulienne
                                                                                                                      RobertLaughlin RE: RealMenJulienne May 14, 2013 07:30 PM

                                                                                                                      Try tartar steak sometime, RMJ. It's not rubbery, and the customary relishes leave it anything but bland.

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                                                                                                                        RetiredChef RE: RealMenJulienne Jul 21, 2013 09:32 AM

                                                                                                                        >>>Raw animal muscle is underflavored and usually has an unpleasant rubbery texture

                                                                                                                        Good quality meat or seafood has the purest of flavors, if your palate demands highly spiced or seasoned foods that is something you trained yourself for, you crave "extra" flavors not the flavor of the item you are eating. And rubbery texture????? Again good quality will never have rubbery texture.

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                                                                                                                        fourunder RE: Perilagu Khan May 14, 2013 10:33 AM

                                                                                                                        I'll nominate the Cook's Illustrated Eye Round Roast......it's a terrible cut of meat devoid of any beef flavor and there are much better cuts to slow roast meat for similar costs.

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                                                                                                                          monavano RE: fourunder May 14, 2013 10:51 AM

                                                                                                                          good to know as I have thought of trying this many times. In general eye round reminds me of every dry roast my mom cooked for us as kids (bless her heart!), and i was surprised to see that this cut could possibly be redeemable.

                                                                                                                          1. re: monavano
                                                                                                                            biondanonima RE: monavano May 14, 2013 06:53 PM

                                                                                                                            While it's not my favorite cut of beef by any stretch, eye of round cooked according to the CI method makes excellent roast beef for slicing and eating cold. I make one weekly and slice it thinly for my husband to take to work in sandwiches/wraps - it is far superior to any roast beef I can buy in the deli.

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                                                                                                                              monavano RE: biondanonima May 15, 2013 07:41 AM

                                                                                                                              That's why I would buy it again... for cold cuts, because it's not easy to find really good, rare to med. rare beef in the deli.

                                                                                                                              1. re: monavano
                                                                                                                                fourunder RE: monavano May 15, 2013 08:26 AM

                                                                                                                                As I noted elsewhere here in this thread to (joonjoon) and the reason for my position is......you can cook other cuts and make much better roast beef or steak/sliced steak.....especially with Shoulder Clod and Top Butt Sirloin for much more beefy flavor and tenderness and for often less money....and without having to add as much salt as the CI method recommends.

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                                                                                                                                  biondanonima RE: fourunder May 15, 2013 08:39 AM

                                                                                                                                  I actually haven't been able to find a cut suitable for slicing that I can get as inexpensively as eye of round, but I'm sure that varies depending on location. It's also very lean - which isn't a desirable thing in terms of flavor, I know - but when my DH is trying to watch his fat intake, it's perfect.

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                                                                                                                                    fourunder RE: biondanonima May 15, 2013 11:11 AM

                                                                                                                                    The only important decision is what is best for our own families....your husband is a lucky guy he has someone watching over him.

                                                                                                                            2. re: monavano
                                                                                                                              lowtone9 RE: monavano May 21, 2013 02:22 PM

                                                                                                                              Well, it's essential for boliche, and we must have boliche.

                                                                                                                            3. re: fourunder
                                                                                                                              joonjoon RE: fourunder May 14, 2013 11:25 AM

                                                                                                                              What cut would you say is better for the money?

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                                                                                                                                fourunder RE: joonjoon May 14, 2013 11:45 AM

                                                                                                                                Whether *On Sale* at the local supermarket, or wholesale, I can purchase the following cuts of beef @ $4/lb. or under.

                                                                                                                                Flat Iron/Top Blade
                                                                                                                                Whole Top Butt Sirloin
                                                                                                                                Flap Chuck
                                                                                                                                Cross Rib/Shoulder

                                                                                                                                Closer to $3/lb. on sale @ any Major supermarket

                                                                                                                                Chuck Roast
                                                                                                                                Cross Rib/Shoulder Roast


                                                                                                                                Top Butt Sirloin and Shoulder Roast are both very tender with little chew.

                                                                                                                                Chuck Roast has more beefy flavor, but there is a possibility not as tender and more chew depending on the piece of meat you select and muscles within that piece of meat. The best chance for tender meat is from the front of the primal cut. The following three threads are of the same roasts and explain the position from the Chuck Section.....

                                                                                                                                *This roast is from the fourth through eighth inches from the front end of the Chuck section, as explained by the butcher who prepared it. The first through third inches are part of another roast I had cut and put in the freezer for another day.*




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                                                                                                                                chowser RE: fourunder May 14, 2013 12:49 PM

                                                                                                                                Just CI's or all eye round? I've yet to have a good eye round.

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                                                                                                                                  fourunder RE: chowser May 14, 2013 01:06 PM

                                                                                                                                  All Eye Round terrible....but many believe the CI method miraculously makes it exquisite and a fine meal. I am here to tell you it does not.

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                                                                                                                                    sandylc RE: fourunder May 14, 2013 09:25 PM

                                                                                                                                    25 years ago an eye of round was delicious. Back when beef was beef.

                                                                                                                              3. DuchessNukem RE: Perilagu Khan May 14, 2013 11:16 AM

                                                                                                                                Hash browns/most breakfast potatoes. I know you were once crispy, I can see by the lovely browned bits.. why oh why are you now a soggy mushy mess.

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                                                                                                                                  hyacinthgirl RE: DuchessNukem May 15, 2013 10:41 AM

                                                                                                                                  These seem to be prepared poorly 90% of the time, but if you can get that glorious 10% when they're perfectly seasoned, crisp on the outside with a nice soft interior, they're amazing.

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                                                                                                                                    fldhkybnva RE: hyacinthgirl May 15, 2013 10:51 AM

                                                                                                                                    Amazing, when perfectly seasoned, crispy on the outside with a nice soft interior - YES! and so not overrated in my book when perfect.

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                                                                                                                                      sandylc RE: hyacinthgirl May 15, 2013 10:57 AM

                                                                                                                                      Hashbrown-making is a lost art.

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                                                                                                                                        alliegator RE: sandylc May 15, 2013 11:05 AM

                                                                                                                                        Waffle House has the best, IMHO. I've probably only had them 3 or 4 times, but with the ham, onions and cheese, you can't go wrong.

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                                                                                                                                          sandylc RE: alliegator May 15, 2013 11:13 AM

                                                                                                                                          Do they actually use potatoes? And are they brown and crisp?

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                                                                                                                                            alliegator RE: sandylc May 15, 2013 01:13 PM

                                                                                                                                            I assume they're real, and like grampart said, ordered well done, they're perfectly brown and crispy. I'm not really a fan of soggy anything.
                                                                                                                                            Now I'm hungry for them :)

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                                                                                                                                            grampart RE: alliegator May 15, 2013 11:28 AM

                                                                                                                                            In these parts, you can't swing a dead cat without hitting a Waffle House and I eat at one or another a couple times a month. Smothered and covered with my over-easy eggs placed right on top, they are very good, but be sure to order them well-done if you want that nice crispy exterior.

                                                                                                                                          3. re: sandylc
                                                                                                                                            grampart RE: sandylc May 15, 2013 11:24 AM

                                                                                                                                            I made some over the weekend using duck fat and chopped Vidalia onion. They were quite delicious!

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                                                                                                                                              fldhkybnva RE: sandylc May 15, 2013 11:28 AM

                                                                                                                                              The local diner always gets it right for me.

                                                                                                                                            2. re: hyacinthgirl
                                                                                                                                              DuchessNukem RE: hyacinthgirl May 15, 2013 11:13 AM

                                                                                                                                              Yeah, I love them when they're perfect too... but you're right about how rarely that happens. So sad.

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                                                                                                                                              Rilke RE: DuchessNukem May 15, 2013 05:53 PM

                                                                                                                                              I never would have thought of this, but now that you've said it, I agree. I like breakfast food. I like pan-fried things. I love potatoes. But hash browns are just mushy and blergh. Why?

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                                                                                                                                                sandylc RE: Rilke May 15, 2013 06:13 PM

                                                                                                                                                If hash browns are mushy and blergh, they are very poorly made. A well-made hash brown is crunchy and brown on the outside and still has some toothsomeness on the inside. Could be you have to be kind of old like me to know this.

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                                                                                                                                                  grampart RE: sandylc May 15, 2013 06:26 PM

                                                                                                                                                  Another version of poorly done is when they look pretty good on the outside and are underdone, kinda raw, and almost crunchy on the inside.

                                                                                                                                                  1. re: grampart
                                                                                                                                                    sandylc RE: grampart May 15, 2013 06:41 PM

                                                                                                                                                    True! Perfect HBs are possible, but difficult.

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                                                                                                                                                    Rilke RE: sandylc May 15, 2013 06:36 PM

                                                                                                                                                    I suppose I've never had them done right then. Sigh.

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                                                                                                                                                      grampart RE: Rilke May 15, 2013 06:52 PM

                                                                                                                                                      I actually prefer home fries and that's usually what I make at home, but sometimes I make the Swiss version of hash browns called Rosti potatoes. Very similar and very good. Here's a photo.

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                                                                                                                                                        sandylc RE: grampart May 15, 2013 07:11 PM

                                                                                                                                                        I keep trying to discover a difference between rosti and hash browns, but I fail every time!

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                                                                                                                                                          jbsiegel RE: grampart May 16, 2013 05:00 AM


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                                                                                                                                                  CoachJ RE: Perilagu Khan May 14, 2013 11:18 AM

                                                                                                                                                  Swordfish. It's usually overcooked, but even when cooked correctly it's not real flavorful with an unpleasant texture.

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                                                                                                                                                    fldhkybnva RE: CoachJ May 14, 2013 06:12 PM

                                                                                                                                                    I love our individual tastes, I love swordfish and cook it to just done and find it very flavorful with a great texture :) To each his own which is what makes the world so great.

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                                                                                                                                                    INDIANRIVERFL RE: Perilagu Khan May 14, 2013 11:21 AM


                                                                                                                                                    Most customers cannot tell the difference between nigiri sushi except by color. The rice is always a mystery. I swear one looked like Uncle Ben's bound with corn starch.

                                                                                                                                                    We have some good places in town. But the vast majority are only surviving riding on their coat tails and the low prices for suspect fish.

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                                                                                                                                                      fldhkybnva RE: INDIANRIVERFL May 14, 2013 06:12 PM

                                                                                                                                                      I agree, I'd rather just eat a fish filet - raw or cooked. If I have sushi it's a roll or so and for lunch. I gave up on it for dinner, never full or satisfied and after a few pieces I'm over it.

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                                                                                                                                                        RetiredChef RE: INDIANRIVERFL Jul 21, 2013 09:42 AM

                                                                                                                                                        Just FYI - sushi is just vinegared rice. When you add toppings or use it as a filler you are creating a different dish. When Americans think of sushi rolls what they really are talking about is maki. A clump of sushi rice topped with something is called nigiri. A bowl of sushi with toppings scattered over it is chirashi-zushi.

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                                                                                                                                                        joonjoon RE: Perilagu Khan May 14, 2013 11:22 AM

                                                                                                                                                        Filet Mignon.

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                                                                                                                                                          AmyH RE: joonjoon May 14, 2013 12:52 PM

                                                                                                                                                          +1 on Filet Mignon. The fancy name doesn't make it taste better. It's mushy and flavorless. Give me a good hangar steak any day.

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                                                                                                                                                            Chemicalkinetics RE: AmyH May 14, 2013 02:09 PM

                                                                                                                                                            I won't say it is mushy, but it is not very favorful.

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                                                                                                                                                            The Professor RE: joonjoon May 14, 2013 01:49 PM

                                                                                                                                                            I'm right with you on the filet mignon.

                                                                                                                                                            I tried to like it but finally gave up on it years ago. Even the ones I was urged to try in a couple of fine and very famous steakhouses were just expensive disappointments.

                                                                                                                                                            If I'm going to have beef, give me a flatiron, hanger, or even a properly made chuck steak any day.

                                                                                                                                                            For that matter, even a good hamburger is far more satisfying than _any_ filet mignon I've ever tried.

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                                                                                                                                                              FriedClamFanatic RE: The Professor May 14, 2013 03:22 PM

                                                                                                                                                              Subset.....Beef Wellington. Looks good. No Flavor unless a good sauce.but then it's tasteless texture to mop up the sauce.

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                                                                                                                                                                Will Owen RE: FriedClamFanatic May 21, 2013 11:01 AM

                                                                                                                                                                Frankly, any version of tenderloin as it's usually prepared. The first filets I had were prepared by a very old-fashioned meat guy who bought the tenderloins whole and hung them in the walk-in until he decided they were ready, and then he cut them into steaks, wrapped bacon around their edges and flat-grilled them. Those were delicious, and nicely beefy. But hardly any restaurant does that, and no home cooks of my acquaintance. No holiday party in Nashville is complete without a ham and a tenderloin on the buffet, and I certainly ate more than my share, but while it was nice enough it never even whispered "Beef" to me.

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                                                                                                                                                                  grampart RE: Will Owen May 21, 2013 11:04 AM

                                                                                                                                                                  "..... but while it was nice enough it never even whispered "Beef" to me."

                                                                                                                                                                  That "whisper" is especially hard to hear over the screaming of the bacon.

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                                                                                                                                                                    MGZ RE: Will Owen May 21, 2013 11:05 AM

                                                                                                                                                                    "[I]t never even whispered "Beef" to me."

                                                                                                                                                                    Nice turn of phrase, Will. I hereby reserve the right to use it sometime.

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                                                                                                                                                                      Tripeler RE: MGZ May 21, 2013 05:21 PM

                                                                                                                                                                      Will is just a great storyteller, isn't he. True stories, great writing.

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                                                                                                                                                                fldhkybnva RE: joonjoon May 14, 2013 06:13 PM

                                                                                                                                                                I don't get this either. It might be tender, but it really lacks flavor. I tried to introduce my good friend to ribeyes and his response was "filet is so much better, the ribeye has no flavor." That's when I ended the conversation...

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                                                                                                                                                                  laliz RE: joonjoon May 15, 2013 01:56 PM

                                                                                                                                                                  +1 here too on Filet Mignon

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                                                                                                                                                                    kagemusha49 RE: joonjoon Dec 10, 2013 03:31 PM

                                                                                                                                                                    I'd say beefsteak in general. OK I love one once in a while but I've lost count of the number of times I've been in a good restaurant and passed on the steak and opted for liver or some other kind of offal - yummy!

                                                                                                                                                                  2. RWCFoodie RE: Perilagu Khan May 14, 2013 11:41 AM

                                                                                                                                                                    I'll probably get flamed, but for me it's prime rib...

                                                                                                                                                                    I love a good grilled rib steak, bone-in but for me, most prime rib dinners are just the epitome of boring.

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                                                                                                                                                                      tastesgoodwhatisit RE: RWCFoodie May 14, 2013 09:00 PM

                                                                                                                                                                      I'd go with that. It's not that it's terrible, it's that it's not as good as other cuts of beef, or a nice steak, and it's at a premium price.

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                                                                                                                                                                        ricepad RE: RWCFoodie May 16, 2013 11:44 AM

                                                                                                                                                                        That's what came to mind first for me, too. I don't know how many times I've made prime rib/SRR, but every time I really look forward to it, and without fail, every time I was really disappointed.

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                                                                                                                                                                          grampart RE: ricepad May 16, 2013 11:56 AM

                                                                                                                                                                          I'm starting to feel that way too. Unless, I get an end cut. It's like a whole different piece of meat. It's funny, because I prefer all my steak cooked rare/medium rare.

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                                                                                                                                                                            VenusCafe RE: ricepad May 17, 2013 11:27 AM

                                                                                                                                                                            What is /SRR ?

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                                                                                                                                                                              drongo RE: VenusCafe May 17, 2013 12:10 PM

                                                                                                                                                                              Standing Rib Roast

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                                                                                                                                                                          gbersh RE: Perilagu Khan May 14, 2013 11:51 AM

                                                                                                                                                                          Plain fudge or brownie just a big, one note chocolate bomb. No texture or anything to break up the richness.

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                                                                                                                                                                            Rilke RE: gbersh May 15, 2013 05:49 PM

                                                                                                                                                                            That's what makes it awesome!

                                                                                                                                                                          2. Paprikaboy RE: Perilagu Khan May 14, 2013 12:21 PM

                                                                                                                                                                            Foie gras.
                                                                                                                                                                            Over rich, over priced and over exposed.

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                                                                                                                                                                              nlgardener RE: Paprikaboy May 14, 2013 01:10 PM

                                                                                                                                                                              Not if eaten in the Dordogne region of France....I think of it as goose butter!!!

                                                                                                                                                                            2. pinehurst RE: Perilagu Khan May 14, 2013 12:29 PM

                                                                                                                                                                              This is not a dish, but I vote for pomegranates. They're a pain in the bum and, while a great countertop dye, not for me.

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                                                                                                                                                                                3StarsFoodie RE: pinehurst May 14, 2013 06:57 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                My thoughts exactly!

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                                                                                                                                                                                  aventinus RE: pinehurst May 14, 2013 07:08 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                  I agree, though I would say that pomegranate molasses has a place. Pomegranate seeds--no.

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                                                                                                                                                                                    tastesgoodwhatisit RE: pinehurst May 14, 2013 09:01 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                    I love the seeds - when pomegranates come in season, I pig out on them. I've gotten pretty good at disassembling one, though, and I enjoy the fiddliness of eating the seeds.

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                                                                                                                                                                                      ricepad RE: pinehurst May 16, 2013 11:45 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                      "They're a pain in the bum...."

                                                                                                                                                                                      Mebbe yer peeling (eating?) them wrong.


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                                                                                                                                                                                        ginger71 RE: pinehurst May 17, 2013 08:39 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                        I'm looking thru' the list and my old nemesis pops up! They are hard to peel, they stain, they have no flavor, they are not sweet, they make a mess - 5 'no's' don't make a 'yes'. Bleah!
                                                                                                                                                                                        Since my blood pressure rises each time I attempt to dissect a pom, I'd say they are NOT good for the health, either.

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                                                                                                                                                                                          sandylc RE: ginger71 May 17, 2013 09:27 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                          Ha, without my glasses, I thought you said, "dissect a PORN" - !!!!

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                                                                                                                                                                                            Perilagu Khan RE: sandylc May 17, 2013 11:40 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                            That could cause one's blood pressure to rise.

                                                                                                                                                                                            **among other things**

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                                                                                                                                                                                              sandylc RE: Perilagu Khan May 17, 2013 12:15 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                              There would be readers on board with that....?

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                                                                                                                                                                                          Nudibranch RE: pinehurst May 18, 2013 10:59 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                          Awww no, my 2nd-favorite fruit ;)
                                                                                                                                                                                          But yes, quite pain to eat. If I just want the seeds as a mix-in, I use that pomegranate removal tool where you bang the cr*p out of them. Also very therapeutic!

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                                                                                                                                                                                            Veggo RE: Nudibranch May 18, 2013 04:52 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                            Pomegranate seeds - essential for chiles en nogada. When done well, that's as good as eating gets.

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                                                                                                                                                                                              c oliver RE: Veggo May 18, 2013 06:16 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                              By your standards, I don't know how "done well" this was, but it sure was good.

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                                                                                                                                                                                          almostheavencook RE: Perilagu Khan May 14, 2013 12:40 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                          Mine is anything with tenderloin or chicken breasts. Including kebabs.

                                                                                                                                                                                          Kebab is a great call. So often dry. So rarely awesome. Underdone onions. Scalding expoding tomatoes. Why attempt to cook them all at the same time?

                                                                                                                                                                                          Someone isn't eating the right crabcakes. Bad crabcakes are terrible. Good ones are exquisite.

                                                                                                                                                                                          Red velvet cake is another good call. I'd take a lame choc cake over RV.

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                                                                                                                                                                                            Will Owen RE: almostheavencook May 21, 2013 11:11 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                            #2 father-in-law had his problems, but he knew how to do kebabs so well that his Armenian Brotherhood put him in charge of those for their annual fund-raiser. He insisted on lamb leg, though I much prefer shoulder, but his secret was marinating the cubed meat overnight in oil, lemon juice and garlic. The meat is therefore pretty much "cooked" by the time the kebabs are assembled, so you simply roast the kebabs until the vegetables are done. If you LIKE burnt onions and blackened tomatoes you can do that, but it's no longer mandatory.

                                                                                                                                                                                          2. pikawicca RE: Perilagu Khan May 14, 2013 01:39 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                            Chicken Marbella: weird concoction of ingredients.

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                                                                                                                                                                                              monavano RE: pikawicca May 14, 2013 03:35 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                              I have to agree on this iconic dish of the 80's (?). After making it once, future iterations were given modifications to make more appealing.

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                                                                                                                                                                                              planojim RE: Perilagu Khan May 14, 2013 01:50 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                              oysters on the half shell. Every year I try them. Every year I hear how they're so fresh, right out of the gulf...they taste like the sea. Every year I am disgusted at the taste and texture of them. Oh well, maybe next January I'll finally figure out what the big whoop is.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                monavano RE: planojim May 14, 2013 03:38 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                Oysters are something that I WISH I liked. Just not going to happen.
                                                                                                                                                                                                Same with salmon. What a beautiful fish that is ubiquitous, by and large good for you and not $$, but it's lost on me. Furthermore, lox, same, same.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                  tcamp RE: planojim May 14, 2013 04:08 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                  Oh, boy, I *do* love them but wish I didn't. Not normally a germophobe, I worry about the safety of oysters. But crave them nonetheless.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                    ginger71 RE: planojim May 17, 2013 08:44 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                    They are a disgusting mass of wet hairball when raw.
                                                                                                                                                                                                    Very disappointing to get one (panko breaded and fried) in an otherwise beautiful presentation of Bento box in Hawaii.
                                                                                                                                                                                                    Took a bite, the raw oyster squished out and I was grabbing every napkin around to get rid of it. Of course the chefs were watching to see if I liked it.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                      RealMenJulienne RE: planojim May 21, 2013 06:49 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                      I forgot to add oysters to my underwhelming raw foods list. They taste like jello made with seawater.

                                                                                                                                                                                                      They are, however, a whole different thing when cooked. Whether roasted Chinese-style with black bean sauce or broiled with spinach and cheese for Oysters Rockefeller. I do like a good cooked oyster.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                        c oliver RE: RealMenJulienne May 21, 2013 08:12 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                        I wasn't aware that Oysters Rockefeller has cheese in it.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                          RealMenJulienne RE: c oliver May 22, 2013 02:12 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                          Grated parmesan, I think.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                            c oliver RE: RealMenJulienne May 22, 2013 06:36 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                            Not that I'm aware of. But, hey, what do I know? :)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                              sandylc RE: c oliver May 22, 2013 06:40 PM


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                                                                                                                                                                                                                c oliver RE: sandylc May 22, 2013 06:51 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                Or this:


                                                                                                                                                                                                                I think we can eliminate the green food coloring :)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                  sandylc RE: c oliver May 22, 2013 07:20 PM


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                                                                                                                                                                                                                Candy RE: c oliver Jul 23, 2013 09:52 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                I'm with you C. Oysters Rockefeller never ever had cheese in it. I did a quick search on line and found a recipe from 1957 that did, but the other ingredients were off too. None of the others had cheese

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                                                                                                                                                                                                            alwayshungrygal RE: RealMenJulienne Jul 23, 2013 04:35 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                            I loooooove BBQ oysters. There are a few street art/wine festivals in the Bay Area in the summer and I love going to them just for the BBQ oysters at the food section. 3 big ones on a paper plate with a lemon wedge = heaven.

                                                                                                                                                                                                            And lest you think they have BBQ sauce--nooo. They are BBQ only in the sense they are cooked on a grate outdoors. Butter, garlic and parsley only. A heaping amount of sauce on top after they are plated makes me very happy.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                              John E. RE: alwayshungrygal Jul 23, 2013 09:31 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                              Living in Minnesota, I've never really had much of an opportunity to just 'run into' oysters. I remember my uncle had a plate of raw oysters for a family event when I was little and my father would not eat them and he eats anything so that may have influenced me. I am interested in your BBQ oyters. I have seen such preparation on various food TV shows, buy I am not quite sure what the sauce should be. Is it just hot sauce such as Tabasco?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                alwayshungrygal RE: John E. Jul 24, 2013 02:28 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                No, truly, just butter, garlic and parsley, so far as I can see. It really is that simple. I have eaten raw oysters and those tend to slither down but the BBQ ones linger a bit more and of course are cooked, so chewable tho still tender. They might have a bottle of Tabasco on the side if you care to indulge but I've never noticed and if I did, I would pass.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                But now that I think about it....many, many years ago (circa 1972) a group of college friends used to go to a large regional park for the day and one friend used to bring clams, if I recall correctly. Could have been oysters, but probably not. I'm pretty sure he just put plain BBQ sauce on the grilled clams. Very tasty!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                  John E. RE: alwayshungrygal Jul 25, 2013 10:37 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I think I've seen them cooked like this on a few TV shows, maybe in North Carolina. I think I will seek out some 'fresh' oysters (or as fresh as they can be in Minnesota) and grill them on the shell with butter, garlic, and parsley.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Vinnie Vidimangi RE: John E. Jul 26, 2013 12:45 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I used to get prairie oysters all the time in South Dakota and they were really fresh.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                  MGZ RE: John E. Jul 25, 2013 05:24 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  If you want to use a barbecue sauce, I suggest a Lexington style, vinegar based sauce (e.g. http://www.food.com/recipe/lexington-... ), It will impart a barbecue flavor to grilled oysters without being gloppy and overwhelming.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                    John E. RE: MGZ Jul 25, 2013 10:39 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I'm familiar with that style of BBQ sauce and is my go to for homemade sauce for pulled pork. I am having a little trouble convincing my Minnesota relatives that is the way to go. They seem fixated on the sweet tomato based BBQ sauce from Kansas City.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                      MGZ RE: John E. Jul 26, 2013 03:19 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I don't know how often they've made barbecue oysters, but unless you mix a lot of water in with the bottled sauce, there's no point to having the oyster under it. The bivalve is just overwhelmed by the sauce. If you make 'em serve some of each side by side, you'll see.

                                                                                                                                                                                                          3. Chemicalkinetics RE: Perilagu Khan May 14, 2013 02:07 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                            < Oh, the first several bites are nice, but soon thereafter eating kebabs becomes an exercise in tedium.>

                                                                                                                                                                                                            I don't understand why the first several bites are nice and then they become tedium. Is it because the taste get old? But that should happen to any preparation method.

                                                                                                                                                                                                            For me, I think filet mignon as a dish is overrated for me. Some sushi dishes are overrated for me -- especially those spicy tuna, spicy whatever. Chinese Xiao Long Bao is overrated for me. I like them just fine, but I am not crazy about them like others.

                                                                                                                                                                                                            Of course, overrating really is about "my preference" vs "other preference". If 90% of the people love a dish, and I only like it, then basically the dish is overrated from my perspective because I don't value it like others do.

                                                                                                                                                                                                            Ok, wine is also overrated for me. Again, I don't dislike wine. It is just that I don't like wine as much as many out there.

                                                                                                                                                                                                            Come to think of it, Mac and Cheese is also overrated for me. I love Mac and Cheese, but I am not nearly as crazy about it as others do.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                              Perilagu Khan RE: Chemicalkinetics May 14, 2013 03:08 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                              "I don't understand why the first several bites are nice and then they become tedium. Is it because the taste get old? But that should happen to any preparation method."

                                                                                                                                                                                                              It doesn't happen to any preparation method; it happens to kebabs. That's why they're overrated. ;)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                Chemicalkinetics RE: Perilagu Khan May 14, 2013 03:39 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                <it happens to kebabs>

                                                                                                                                                                                                                Do you mean like the meat and vegetables on the kbabs get cool down and taste bad like French fries taste bad after they are cooled down? Or do you mean the taste get dull after awhile like bubblegum? The first bubble gum is pretty cool, but by the time you chew on the fifth and sixth, they get annoying.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Perilagu Khan RE: Chemicalkinetics May 14, 2013 06:31 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  The bubblegum analogy is closer. And I confess that it's a strange thing. Logically, steak, which I love, should dwindle in my affections the more I eat it, but this does not happen. The last bite of a great steak is as tremendous to me as the first bite. But with kebabs, the first several bites are very good, but then my mind says, "Hey, Khan! Kebabs are really pretty dull!" Then I find myself begrudgingly agreeing with my mind.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Chemicalkinetics RE: Perilagu Khan May 14, 2013 06:49 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    < Logically, steak, which I love, should dwindle in my affections the more I eat it, but this does not happen. >

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Thanks for the explanation. Certain foods tend to "grow old" faster than others. Soft drinks do that to me too. The first few sips of ice cold Coke are great, but the pleasure goes down hill after a cup/can of Coke. Coke refill usually tastes disgusting to me.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Put it first way. I would pay to drink the first can of Coke, but I would pay you to NOT drink the second can.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                      monavano RE: Chemicalkinetics May 15, 2013 07:43 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Ha, I feel the same about soda. It can be so refreshing at first, but once those bubbles start to fade, yuck.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                        sandylc RE: monavano May 15, 2013 09:03 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Yuk. Too salty and too sugery. Makes me thirsty and makes my teeth ache.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                      cresyd RE: Perilagu Khan May 16, 2013 02:00 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      While I would join the ranks of defending the kebab - the "bugglegum analogy" is the perfect way to describe my thoughts on mac and cheese. The anticipation of the dish and the first bite of the dish are a wash of excitment - then every bite after that feels like a waste of calories that just aren't doing much for me.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                  lagatta RE: Chemicalkinetics May 17, 2013 07:18 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Many people don't like wine or are indifferent to it. More wine for me!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I detest sweet soft drinks. Love plain bubbly water, especially one with a high mineral content like Gerolsteiner or Borsec.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                3. grampart RE: Perilagu Khan May 14, 2013 04:37 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Cupcakes. Sheesh, what is it with these things. Just a little cake, which I'm not crazy about in the first place, but now I see these things going for crazy prices in stores that only sell cupcakes! I don't get it.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Chemicalkinetics RE: grampart May 14, 2013 04:38 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    What about cookies? There are stands which only sell cookies (or mostly cookies).

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Unraveled RE: Chemicalkinetics May 22, 2013 06:21 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Are they particularly expensive? I think those cupcake places sell them for $5 a pop (and they're not that big).

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                      monavano RE: grampart May 14, 2013 05:01 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Agree with cupcakes because of the prices that are being charged nowadays.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                        jbsiegel RE: grampart May 14, 2013 05:47 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I think most purchased baked goods are overrated. I do have to confess to liking Crumbs cupcakes (because I have a REALLY sweet tooth!)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      2. kaleokahu RE: Perilagu Khan May 14, 2013 04:46 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Hi, PK:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        This has been asked (and answered 661 times) before: http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/650836

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        So far, my vote's for filet mignon or turducken.


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                                                                                                                                                                                                                          jlhinwa RE: Perilagu Khan May 14, 2013 04:49 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Steak...any cut, any preparation, any type.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. fldhkybnva RE: Perilagu Khan May 14, 2013 06:14 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Pizza. I know it has it's fanatics and I sometimes will make it at home or eat it at a local place which is really the only pizza to me even worth eating if I'm going to eat it, but I really never understood the fascination.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                              MGZ RE: fldhkybnva May 15, 2013 01:13 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Having lived in Baltimore for several years, I can understand how you can say that.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Having grown up in Jersey, I can't.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                monavano RE: MGZ May 15, 2013 07:43 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Totally get that!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  fldhkybnva RE: MGZ May 15, 2013 08:57 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Yea, I've never grown up in a pizza hub although my parents do live in New Jersey but moved there after I went to college. In Baltimore, the pizza pickings are slim.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    melpy RE: fldhkybnva May 15, 2013 09:17 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    The only pizza my New Haven born father will eat in MD is Vito's in Owings Mills and Bertucci's if he asks for it well done besides a few fine dining flatbread foofoo types which he doesn't consider pizza.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                VitalForce RE: Perilagu Khan May 14, 2013 06:37 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Most overrated. That would have to be Pad Thai. Thai food can be so interesting, but lousy Pad Thai is too common—the Chop Suey of Thai cuisine I suppose.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                On the other hand a lamb kebab with lots of salty, crisped-up fat can be great. And think of all that wasted red, watery, gooey flesh and fat in an expensive overly thick beef steak that could have been otherwise nicely browned up as kebabs. Wasted real-estate there that could have been more profitably sub-divided onto skewers.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  alliegator RE: VitalForce May 22, 2013 11:52 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I agree on this one. Thai is by far my favorite cuisine, but pad Thai is so easy to do poorly that I just avoid it.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  aventinus RE: Perilagu Khan May 14, 2013 07:02 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  French fries. I like French fries but 90% of the time I'd prefer something else, anything else. Grilled brussel sprouts, for example.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Sweet potato fries. Worse than french fries.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Panna cotta. Pointless.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Ice cream. I'd had this thousands of times and there's no way you'll ever impress me, even if you have three Michelin stars, even if you put soy sauce or saffron or ginger or szechuan peppercorns or basil or whatever you like in it. I don't need it with my cake or pie or tart. It's a waste of calories.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Burrata. This was enjoyable the first 100 times. Now every restaurant seems to think they're something special because they have a burrata appetizer. It's nothing special.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Chicken, especially breasts. So boring.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Tiramisu. It's amazing that this stupid dessert even exists. I think it's just that the name sounds appealing.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Any dish with truffle oil. Gag me.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Shrimp cocktail. One day, everyone will wake up and realize that cocktail sauce sucks.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Mithai (Indian sweets) Perhaps the worst taste to calorie ratio out there.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Any sweet pickle. Especially sweet cucumber pickles. Ick.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Any casserole.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Pad thai. Almost always horrible; at best mediocre. Lasagna for thai people.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Soda. There is no such thing as a good soda.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Tuna tartar. See burrata.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  California roll. America. Sigh.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    fldhkybnva RE: aventinus May 15, 2013 10:52 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I love french fries but really only crave the piping hot local take out store crinkle fries. Every other fry I'd just rather eat a baked potato.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I agree with ice cream - it's OK but I really don't need it.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      alliegator RE: fldhkybnva May 15, 2013 11:09 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Agreed on the fries.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Not on the ice cream ;)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        jbsiegel RE: alliegator May 15, 2013 11:33 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Don't agree on the ice cream either! But...I don't want some fancy frou-frou ice cream with lavender, lemon and saffron either. Bring me a nice deep dark 'thick" chocolate with some peanut butter and other goodies in it, and I'm a happy camper!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    taos RE: Perilagu Khan May 14, 2013 07:18 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. Soft shell crabs. I love lobster, so I'm not opposed to seafood that requires labor, but these crabs seem like a lot of work for hardly any food.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    2. Cake.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      reedux RE: taos May 15, 2013 02:20 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      uhh, did you mean blue crabs? soft shell crabs you eat whole. couldn't be simpler, and they're delicious!!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        mwhitmore RE: taos May 15, 2013 10:35 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Huh? Soft-shells are labor-free crabs----just eat the whole thing. Agree on cake.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          MGZ RE: mwhitmore May 15, 2013 10:38 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          It takes about thirty seconds to clean a soft shell. After that, you eat the whole thing.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Edit - replied to the wrong post, but I'm sure you'll figure that out.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          KrumTx RE: taos May 15, 2013 11:26 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Agree on cake. Growing up, I got pies (with candles) for my birthdays.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            grampart RE: KrumTx May 15, 2013 11:31 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Me too! Not when I was a kid, but for the past 30 years anyway.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          conate RE: Perilagu Khan May 14, 2013 07:51 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          +1 on whoever said cupcakes.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Sorry as much as I like cake icing, a small bit of cake with at least that much by volume of crisco-based icing does not appeal to me.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Chocolate. I'm allergic to it. It used to be that the USA had baked goods for sale that were something OTHER than chocolate. Ginger cake anyone? Fruit pies? Yellow cake with white icing? No. Every desert tray is filled with mediocre chocolate dishes.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Pretentious restaurants. And, please, do not send a waiter around with a 15 inch pepper mill. I always want to ask him if he's over compensating.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            jeanmarieok RE: conate May 15, 2013 01:30 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I am with you on chocolate everything desserts. There are so many simple and delicious non-chocolate desserts that are overlooked because everyone think they need to offer chocolate for dessert.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          2. emglow101 RE: Perilagu Khan May 14, 2013 09:17 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            When you order chicken. Maybe there's a couple of exceptions. But for most of it. Forget about it.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Kalivs RE: Perilagu Khan May 14, 2013 09:33 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              CTM or chicken tikka masala. Usually under seasoned sauce with dry chicken that's been cooked to death. I have had some really good ones,. But, in general, I find it to be a lackluster dish.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. GraydonCarter RE: Perilagu Khan May 14, 2013 09:47 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                On every "specials" menu: meatloaf.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Yes, it was one of my favorite homemade meals, reminds me of home. Nobody could beat my mom's version. But it has become ubiquitous, and often not done very well at all.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  schrutefarms RE: Perilagu Khan May 14, 2013 10:34 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Bacon. Don't get me wrong, it will never stop being delicious, but does it have to be in everything? Chocolate, vodka, donuts, cupcakes....Band Aids that look like it, socks that say the word...my Dad got me gummy bacon and bacon scented soap and mints for Christmas a few years ago...chapstick too....it's everywhere! Is it so wrong that I prefer it in a sandwich or with my eggs and thats about it? (Okay, and those bacon wrapped blue cheese stuffed dates that have been on a few menus).

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    fldhkybnva RE: schrutefarms May 15, 2013 04:19 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I agree, I love bacon don't get me wrong but why is it everywhere and it doesn't make everythin better if you just throw some on top.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      schrutefarms RE: fldhkybnva May 15, 2013 08:25 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I recently had a bacon-maple cheesecake. And you know what? Bacon should NOT be on everything!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Dinermite RE: schrutefarms May 15, 2013 09:35 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Bacon mints??? That's sounds nasty!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I agree, people are going overboard with bacon. It's good for breakfast, good on a burger, and club sandwich. baked into cupcakes and distilled into vodka??? No thanks!!!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      liza219 RE: Perilagu Khan May 14, 2013 10:37 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      BBQ.....any type. Pulled pork, ribs, chicken. I just don't get it. The smoke ring, the wood chips, special smokers...none of it's flavors is has impressed me....ever.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        sandylc RE: liza219 May 15, 2013 09:07 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I understand that. It's OK once in a while, but the flavor of smoke isn't that appealing to me; it's.....cloying, or something. And the smoke smell clings to you for days, it seems. I think it's better as a challenge and a hobby/sport than as a food.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        thimes RE: Perilagu Khan May 15, 2013 06:21 AM


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Everyone always tells me how much they love them - I order them now and again - and I've never met a falafel that I like.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Over rated for sure.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          melpy RE: thimes May 15, 2013 09:17 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I find it is very hit or miss. I love it when it is a hit though.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            cresyd RE: thimes May 16, 2013 02:04 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Falafel definitely falls into my category of "more often bad than good". As I live in a part of the world full of falafel places - I have a (very small) list of places where I know the falafel, pita, and toppings will be fresh. But if I was in an unknown part of town and someone suggested a random falafel place - I'd probably ask if there were other options.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Too many bad experiences with cold, soggy, and/or unseasoned falafel.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Vinnie Vidimangi RE: cresyd Jul 12, 2013 10:40 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Right on brother!
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              A falalfel sandwich is easy to make badly and who knows the difference, right?
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Every part of the falafel has to be good for the thing to be enjoyable.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              There is is more to good pita than just fresh. Good luck!
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              There is more to good falafel balls than their just being not cold , soggy or unseasoned.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Every part of it is problematic.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            poloprincess RE: Perilagu Khan May 15, 2013 06:27 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I agree with cupcakes.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Cupcakes are great for kid's birthday parties.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Paying $2.50-$6 (!) for ONE cupcake at a store is ridiculous. Having a television show based on a cupcake store ("The Cupcake Girls") is ridiculous.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            And being a stay at home mom who can bake a cupcake does not make you a pastry chef. My son's toddler group is becoming a bore due to this craze.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              gardenercook RE: Perilagu Khan May 15, 2013 07:22 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Beef olives aka rouladen.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. natewrites RE: Perilagu Khan May 15, 2013 07:35 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Meatloaf. And that goes for ANYTHING that you can make easily at home, too.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                So that includes about anything you'd see on a typical diner's special of the day. B.O.R.I.N.G.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. drongo RE: Perilagu Khan May 15, 2013 07:54 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I don't expect to learn new words or phrases at Chowhound, but today I did -- "loving propinquity". I like it! :)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  About overrated dishes... I agree with some of the suggestions above -- kebabs, filet mignon. To add something new -- Philly cheesesteak. Blah. (I live not far north of Philadelphia, and have been to Pat's and Geno's and other temples of the art, so it's not that I haven't had the real thing.) Having written this, of course, I shall have to stay away from the misnamed city of brotherly love to avoid the risk of retribution.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Perilagu Khan RE: drongo May 15, 2013 08:14 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    The cheesesteaks I've eaten have been almost exclusively mediocre-to-good. I really don't get the rhapsodizing either.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      GraydonCarter RE: drongo May 15, 2013 11:58 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      >> "loving propinquity". I like it! :)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Propinquity explains why people are more likely to marry those they meet at work or in their neighborhood. The "propinquity effect" is the tendency for people to form romantic relationships with those whom they encounter often. In light of this, one might very well ask, “What’s love got to do with it?”

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        linguafood RE: drongo May 15, 2013 01:36 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Might as well add the pork sandwich at diNic's.


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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          luvcubs RE: drongo Jun 28, 2013 08:35 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Went to Philadelphia recently. I said I wanted to try a cheesesteak, never had one before. The beef was okay--needed gravy :-) but the bread was awesome. It's different from anything I've ever had before. (I'm from the South). I'd like to find that bread again, or even how to make it.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Gastronomos RE: luvcubs Jun 28, 2013 08:44 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            yep. even here in NY where we can find some awesome bread, that bread there is a rare treat for us!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              sandylc RE: luvcubs Jun 28, 2013 08:54 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              OK, now I want to know what's different about Philly bread. Anyone?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                FriedClamFanatic RE: sandylc Jun 28, 2013 11:53 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I suppose it's one of those things like authentic San Fran Sourdough. I'm no expert..but 90% of the places use Amorosos Rolls ( a brand). Must be something they do

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  luvcubs RE: sandylc Jul 20, 2013 06:44 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  FriedClams got it... It must be the Amorosos Rolls..

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  They just have a texture that's different from French bread, Italian bread, any sub rolls I've ever tried. It didn't get soggy, it didn't fall apart, it was just plain fantastic.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I've tried to find recipes online for it, but have not found any.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              scunge RE: Perilagu Khan May 15, 2013 11:58 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Manicotta ,Baked Ziti,Lasagna etc they are all the same and boring . I'm Italian American and have had my share so Please ! Please ! no more . Young brides often host or bring these globs to a get together .Do I really have to eat anymore?????

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                laliz RE: Perilagu Khan May 15, 2013 02:07 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Crabcakes ~~ especially with Old Bay ( I love king crab legs, but crabcakes are a no thank you)
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Cheesecake ~~ any and all
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Salmon ~~ any and all
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Chipotle ~~ o.m.g. get over it all ready
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                and yes, Filet Mignon

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  sandylc RE: laliz May 15, 2013 03:01 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I'm sure with you on the Old Bay. Stale, nasty stuff. Makes food taste like you seasoned it with the dust from the coffee table.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    chloebell RE: sandylc May 15, 2013 03:36 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Foie Gras & Low Country Boil - yuck, yuck & yuck.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    drongo RE: laliz May 15, 2013 03:42 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I agree with you on the salmon. And most of the crab cakes I've eaten have been blah (though a small percentage has been divine, so I won't condemn them entirely).

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    When you say "Chipotle" do you mean the chain restaurant or the smoke-dried chile?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      fldhkybnva RE: laliz May 16, 2013 04:47 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I never order salmon at a restaurant but love it at gome

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        JAB RE: laliz May 16, 2013 09:27 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I'm with you part way on the salmon but, love it smoked or cured.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      2. drongo RE: kengk May 15, 2013 04:15 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        LOL... make sure you put a pillow in front of your face first then.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I think it's been a good thread. Amusing. And no over-the-top flame bait (that I've noticed, anyway).

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. petek RE: Perilagu Khan May 15, 2013 04:12 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Pulled pork and cupcakes...

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            sisterfunkhaus RE: petek Jul 20, 2013 08:30 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I hate the word "pulled" in reference to meat. Why not just call it shredded? That's what people called it for years.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Perilagu Khan RE: sisterfunkhaus Jul 20, 2013 11:04 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Good question.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Firegoat RE: Perilagu Khan Jul 20, 2013 11:24 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I would prefer "forked!" "forked meat!" Come get "Forked!"

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  sandylc RE: Firegoat Jul 21, 2013 10:46 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Or even good old shredded.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                alwayshungrygal RE: sisterfunkhaus Jul 23, 2013 05:36 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I have literally seen a man pull the pig apart after it was cooked.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  linguafood RE: alwayshungrygal Jul 23, 2013 05:39 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  One would hope it's slightly more difficult when it's still alive.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    alwayshungrygal RE: linguafood Jul 24, 2013 02:28 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    LOL, yes, of course! But if more than one person tried...never mind, not a good visual.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            2. John E. RE: Perilagu Khan May 16, 2013 09:18 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Chicken breasts. I have never preferred them since I was a child, and yet it seems that everyone else likes chicken breasts as their favorite part of the chicken.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              The chicken breasts in a bucket of fried chicken are usually dried out and spongy at the same time. They are easy to overcook in most applications.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I prefer the chicken thigh to the chicken breast.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                fldhkybnva RE: John E. May 16, 2013 09:23 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                They definitely aren't my favorite part of the chicken, but they are quite versatile and we use them a lot. It's possible to make a chicken breast which isn't dreaded but yes, of course, I prefer other cuts by far. I definitely prefer the thigh to the breast. I have even stopped buying fried chicken breast as unless they are just made I get that too dry sensation way too often to make it worth it. However, I use them a lot at home as I buy mostly boneless poultry and hate dealing with the boneless chicken thighs.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  John E. RE: fldhkybnva May 16, 2013 09:48 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I'm the opposite. I hardly ever buy chicken breasts. I usually buy just regular chicken thighs. If I want boneless chicken I bone out the thighs and save the bones for the stockpot.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    linguafood RE: John E. May 16, 2013 10:10 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    While I prefer thighs over breasts for many applications (dishes that cook longer come to mind, like curries), a well-cooked chicken breast, i.e. nicely browned on the outside and juicy on the inside, is a thing of beauty.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I prefer breasts over thighs for things like piccata, or chicken paprikash... a quick sear and then smothered in a nice mushroom & wine sauce? Heaven.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    That said, I almost *never* would order any chicken dish at a restaurant. What's the point?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      fldhkybnva RE: linguafood May 16, 2013 10:14 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Yea, I never order chicken at a restaurant that I can remember and do agree that they are great when prepared well with other quality ingredients which is why I still use them. Chicken paprikash is actually on my dishes-to-make list.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        MGZ RE: fldhkybnva May 16, 2013 10:17 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I generally agree with you and lingua about ordering chicken in a restaurant, but only so long as that doesn't include orderin' wings in a bar.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          linguafood RE: MGZ May 16, 2013 10:20 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Well, durr.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Perilagu Khan RE: MGZ May 16, 2013 11:36 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Yeah. Amen to that one.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Perilagu Khan RE: linguafood May 16, 2013 11:36 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Indian chefs are masters of the yardbird. Rarely do I order anything but chicken (65, vindaloo, jalfreezi, tikka masala, methi, xacutti, etc.) in an Indian restaurant. But for other restaurants, I think I agree with you.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Perilagu Khan RE: John E. May 16, 2013 09:52 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I understand the criticism of breasts (on a chicken, that is), but IMO, a dried out fried chicken breast is the result of poorly fried chicken. And, believe me, poorly fried chicken is common!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Personally, though, I just don't like the texture of dark meat. Too stringy and there's always the risk of hawing into cartilage. When I bite breast (chicken breast, that is), I know I'm gonna be cleavin' pure meat, and that's a real help to my peace of mind.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        grampart RE: Perilagu Khan May 16, 2013 10:15 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Growing up I never went for the white meat on the roast chicken my mother prepared every other Sunday. Same with turkey. I think the problem back then was cooking the whole bird until the dark parts were done and, by then, the white meat got dry. Copious amounts of gravy seemed to solve that problem for everyone else, but I was perfectly happy to have the legs and thighs to myself.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        These days, we use skinless, boneless breasts quite often.By giving them a quick sear and finishing in the oven, they are always tender and juicy. More recently, I've prepared them sous vide. No sear afterward. I cover them with a sauce to mask the slightly "anemic" appearance and everyone loves them.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        On those "whole bird occasions", I return to my treasured dark meat.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          fldhkybnva RE: grampart May 16, 2013 10:25 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I never seem to remember to write down my chicken breast successes. I think when I pound them to about 3/8 to 1/2 inch or so I sear a few minute per side and then bake at 375F for 15-20 minutes. What's your general technique?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            grampart RE: fldhkybnva May 16, 2013 10:34 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Pretty much the same. I pound the fat part a bit to kind of even out the thickness, do the sear, and into the oven at 325-350 for about 20 minutes. Sometimes, I do the flour, egg, Panko thing and, after browning, oven cook them on a rack over a sheet pan for 15 minutes at 325. I think the pan browning in the "cutlet" style takes a little longer so I reduce the oven time and temp to compensate.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Jay F RE: Perilagu Khan May 16, 2013 08:24 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          >there's always the risk of hawing into cartilage<

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          The bane of chicken salad eating in childhood. I didn't eat dark meat for decades after leaving home because of cartilage, and then I discovered how much more I liked it in chicken paprikash.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          MGZ RE: John E. May 16, 2013 09:58 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Yep. Breasts suck. I'm solid with the inverse, though.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Bkeats RE: MGZ May 16, 2013 10:17 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Ha! That in a Freudian world would lead to lots of therapy. ;)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              MGZ RE: Bkeats May 16, 2013 10:22 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Only two or three years.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Bunson RE: Perilagu Khan May 16, 2013 10:45 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Anything with goat cheese. It's been elevated to become associated with fancy haute cuisine but really, goat cheese is just bad on pretty much anything it touches.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            monavano RE: Bunson May 17, 2013 07:31 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I get that you don't like it, but smearing it completely?
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Goat cheese is loved by so many, me included.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              lagatta RE: Bunson May 17, 2013 07:43 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              For some of us, it is goat (or ewe's) mik cheese or no cheese at all. Not everyone can tolerate cow's milk products. As for it being associated with "fine-dining" (in English-speaking countries), that was just a marketing ploy.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              It isn't a single dish, but neither is chicken breast mentioned below. Now, don't get me wrong for mentioning this, but Thai and everything Asian is SOOO overrated STILL right now. It's been for a while and we hoped it was over, but, alas, it isn't. EVERYTHING now is STILL in vogue to be "Asian" flavoured. I've had enough already. 10 years or so ago we had a discussion on these boards about Asian food being bland. Jim Leff proclaimed it himself. Now it's bland, sweet and super spicy.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Still, if it's good, it's good.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              If it's bland AND sweet AND super spicy, what is being hidden? Lack of flavor? Please, I know, the Asian sense of "subtle" flavours - we don't have the palete for... sure, we have no taste buds...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. juliejulez RE: Perilagu Khan May 16, 2013 11:09 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Salads, mainly of the lettuce variety (chicken and pasta salads are OK). I just don't get the appeal, especially of the "main dish" salads. I'm not a rabbit. I'll eat a side salad made with baby spinach but that's about it.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  fldhkybnva RE: juliejulez May 16, 2013 11:24 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I love salad but it must be at least room temperature and I usually make them at home when I can use warm meat and a warm vinaigrette as I really don't like ice cold salads. Also, I can't get down with the mixed greens - that's rabbit territory for me.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    MGZ RE: fldhkybnva May 16, 2013 11:27 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    "I really don't like ice cold salads."

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I told you that you were clearly a pure bred 'hound.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      fldhkybnva RE: MGZ May 16, 2013 12:18 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Uh oh, I'm not sure if I should feel better or worse about this preference...:)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      juliejulez RE: fldhkybnva May 16, 2013 11:36 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Yeah I just can't get into it. Definitely not cold ones either. A spinach salad with warm bacon vinaigrette is doable.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        grampart RE: juliejulez May 16, 2013 11:43 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        We have a salad almost every night.The tomato must not be cold, but the cucumber should. The lettuce, onion, radish, sliced mushrooms......it doesn't really matter. By the time the salad is served, the chill is off anyway.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          juliejulez RE: grampart May 16, 2013 11:45 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          See, I don't like tomatoes by themselves either :) I guess I'm too picky of a eater for salads.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    nursesara RE: Perilagu Khan May 16, 2013 12:02 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    So NICE to find like-minded people posting to this question!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I thought I was the only one out here who avoided crab cakes - or graciously picked at it when served one at a gathering. I've never been able to discern the taste of crab; all I taste is fried oil and a burned outside and soggy undercooked inside. Moreover, serving crab cakes at a dinner party sequesters the hostess in the kitchen right before serving time and the dish tends to come out in batches, meaning guests are served piecemeal. Hosts take note and DITCH this dish.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. John E. RE: Perilagu Khan May 16, 2013 12:03 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      The problem with kebobs is often the way they are cooked. I think to cook them properly the meat and vegetables need to be cooked on different skewers because the cooking times are different.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        ricepad RE: Perilagu Khan May 16, 2013 12:48 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        A great kebab only has meat, IMNSHO. The veggies go in the salad...or in the Bloody Mary.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. linguafood RE: Perilagu Khan May 16, 2013 02:51 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          My man makes the most delicious, mouthwatering lamb sheesh kebabs -- leg of lamb in large cubes (2" by 2" at least), marinated for at least 24 hours in olive oil, fresh garlic, fresh onion, mint, rosemary, thyme, sage, and oregano.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Those go on big, serious metal skewers and are grilled to a perfect med-rare. We hardly ever have any leftovers.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Sometimes he'll throw green peppers and onions on the skewer, too, and I actually really like the charred veggies with the tender, juicy lamb.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Must. Have. Again. Very soon.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            fldhkybnva RE: linguafood May 16, 2013 04:09 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            This sounds awesome! How long do you grill?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              linguafood RE: fldhkybnva May 16, 2013 04:14 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              By touch, so it depends.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Florida Hound RE: Perilagu Khan May 16, 2013 06:24 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            It seems like everybody loves a good, juicy steak. I guess I've had one at some point that was mouth-watering, but most of the time, I would rather pass for something else on the menu. Right up there with many people's very special meals- lobster. Again, I can't imagine all that work and cracking and digging and... just for a little bit of lobster? No thanks- over rated. We had a wonderful vacation in Maine a few years ago, and when we got back home, friends rolled their eyes when my wife and I didn't have a single "lobster dinner" story to tell.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Musie RE: Florida Hound May 16, 2013 07:11 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I have to agree with steak. I'll eat one occasionally in the hopes that I might enjoy it as much as my husband does, but I never do.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              If you find a church lobster supper, you'll be getting a cold plate of food, but the lobster will be ready to eat, so no messy shell to break through.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                fldhkybnva RE: Florida Hound May 16, 2013 07:43 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Lobster is good, but I also think it's overrated. I don't even really enjoy the butter part of it that most seem to like. I'll eat it, we actually had lobster tonight but it's not something I go out of my way for or really ever crave too much. I much more enjoy shrimp.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Gastronomos RE: Florida Hound May 16, 2013 09:46 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I avoid ordering a steak in a restaurant like the plague. I can't even begin to describe how much I loathe the much ordered steak in a restaurant. When I go out to eat I usually order something I haven't had before or something I know is prepared well in a particular place. I find steak is special for those who don't want to know what a menu offers or are child-like and I have heard excuses like "I don't like my food all mixed up" and go for a simple, plain steak. Some hide behind the "purist" theory that makes a person, IMO, not a chowhound, but a simpleton. And most would like to have their steak "well done", despite what they told the server. Steak is by far the most overrated anywhere and everywhere.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Bkeats RE: Gastronomos May 17, 2013 05:16 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    What do you think about steakhouses? Not the Outbacks of the world, but Peter Luger and its ilk. Shrines for simpletons and not chowhounds?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      MGZ RE: Bkeats May 17, 2013 07:24 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Good question. I agree with Gastronomos when it comes to orderin' a steak in most restaurants - I'd much rather do it at home. Nevertherless, if I'm in a place that does little but steak, dry ages their own beef, and has a good beer selection?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      "Um, yeah, I'd like the twenty-eight ounce ribeye - rare - and another IPA."

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Gastronomos RE: MGZ May 17, 2013 07:41 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Yep. Agreed. And, unfortunately many steakhouses around NYC are WINE bars as well. Beer drinkers are treated like uncouth vermin.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          globocity RE: Gastronomos May 22, 2013 07:07 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          ". . . beer drinkers are treated like uncouth vermin." Only in anachronistic steakhouses (that could be redundant). But in many big-city restaurants, beer is gaining respect. 'Specially in Cooler Than Thou Portland, Austin, and BK spots.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          By the way, where do the couth vermin hang out?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            hyacinthgirl RE: globocity May 23, 2013 08:18 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            It's big on the east coast too, but I would clarify that micro-brews and beer-afficionados are gaining respect. Miller lite drinkers are probably still vermin in most places (but maybe the cuter types of vermin?).

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Gastronomos RE: Bkeats May 17, 2013 07:34 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I don't. (LOL!!!)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Personally, Yes. Though, of course, they have their place. ("Peter Luger and its ilk.")
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        As an example, my ex-BIL dined ONLY in these places. Whenever we went to a "fine" restaurant he felt so uncomfortable he made EVERYONE feel uncomfortable, servers, fellow dining companions, EVERYONE. When we went to the many steakhouses he chose it was a show of testosterone and a display of WOW! OOHH! AHH! when the plain meat came to the table with much pomp and circumstance and the server always telling us how we will "eat like kings" and the steak is "cooked to perfection!" whatever that means. The worst part, as I mentioned above, is that he ordered medium-well despite wanting "well done" just to show that he can "accommodate" us all. I tried to suggest medium rare many times to no avail. Yes, I have ordered my own steak in these places, medium rare, and let the others share the Porterhouse/T-Bone for 2/3/4. (many steakhouses -"Peter Luger and its ilk"- don't let the meat rest for a proper "rare" or "medium rare" in my experience.) The sides (and all foods) are on a separate dish, like when you feed a child. The sides are usually not that good/poorly made and usually very simple that anyone employed in the kitchen can do: "creamed spinach", baked potato, shrimp cocktail, etc. "It's all about the MEAT!" (veggies are mocked) Many of these "steakhouses" also put the focus on the service as a sticking point, because there is no chef in the kitchen to laud. And, yes, I will extend this steak thing to the weekend "Grill masters" that can't cook but claim to be a "master griller" on the gas grill. BORING! But, that's just My opinion, of course. (My reply is in direct response to Florida Hound and what (s)he wrote. I obviously am not alone in this, LOL :-)
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        EDIT: Let's add Lobster to the list of Overrated. Same as steak.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Bkeats RE: Gastronomos May 17, 2013 07:54 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Got it. You're not a fan of steak. No issues with that. I spend a lot of time at fine dining spots. Lots of client entertaining so I have eaten pretty much at every spot in NYC that appears on a every top 10 list multiple times. I have severe fine dining burn out. I can appreciate all those amuses that start and mignardises that end the meal, but honestly, I'm kind of sick of it. All the presentation and flourishes as a plate is placed in front of me and then someone explains the sauce that's being poured around the minuscule piece of whatever has become tiresome. I really don't need to have dinner take 3-4 hours. Give me a starter, my main and maybe dessert and I'm happy. No more tasting menus for me. Do that 2-4 times a months and it becomes wearing, and not a pleasure. That's when I appreciate the beauty of a steak, done bleu for me. No worse cooking crime in my mind than an over cooked steak.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          This mini-rant has gotten me to think that I would add tasting menus as over-rated. Not a specific dish obviously. But if a dish on the tasting menu is so good, why isn't it on the regular menu? I'm sure I will get flamed for this. But after doing tasting menus dozens of times, it ain't special. At least not for me.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            monavano RE: Bkeats May 17, 2013 07:57 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I agree. I don't want to sit for 3+ hours eating dinner.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Gastronomos RE: Bkeats May 17, 2013 08:16 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Agreed. I worked in Manhattan for many years. Lunches and dinners with clients etc. Usually it was a steakhouse. "Gotta treat the client to a BIG steak dinner!" Many times as well it was the "fine dining" restaurant of the moment. I too suffered "fine dining fatigue" for a while. I also suffered from the boring plain steak and boring sides as well. At lunch in a steakhouse the sliced steak and salad on the same plate is what comes to the table. Hot plate/cold salad??? Cold plate/warm steak??? Doesn't work.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              More often the boredom of a plain steak and the pomp is more than I could handle. At least some fine dining places have choices.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Tasting menus are overrated. I get what the Chef is trying to do though. Many times it's about not having to eat 50 bites of the Same thing at dinner. The Same thing.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Wolfgang Puck says that his restaurants aren't for "everyday". People should cook at home and dine with friends/family at home. I agree. Solves all issues with above.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                lagatta RE: Bkeats May 18, 2013 03:51 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I think a lot of this depends are why we are going out to eat. I don't really like tasting menus either, but I do like to take my time when I eat out. In the past, I did work that involved meeting colleagues and clients at restaurants, and then of course one doesn't want a working dinner to go on endlessly.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Nowadays, I mostly work at home, and the exception is work at conferences and similar events where lunch is usually provided, so for me suppers are social events involving chatting with friends and catching up with them.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I'm not such a "meat eater" that steak turns me on, but have several friends from the southern tip of South America, and they can eat red meat twice a day, so I have no problem going along with that with them. I can't really judge steaks; fine if people love them.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Perilagu Khan RE: Gastronomos May 17, 2013 07:36 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              That's a concatenation of gross generalizations and hostile assumptions. Most people who go to fine steakhouses are there because they are steak connoiseurs, not because they are child-like simpletons timidly retreating to the comfort of gustatory security blankets. And I daresay your depiction is even a charicature of those who order steak at Applebee's.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Bkeats RE: Perilagu Khan May 17, 2013 08:02 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Use of concatenation in a non-tech setting. Admirable! Triple points.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Virginian RE: Perilagu Khan May 17, 2013 08:09 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Amen !!!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Gastronomos RE: Perilagu Khan May 17, 2013 08:18 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Many, perhaps, but, in my experience, most definitely not "most".

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Virginian RE: Gastronomos May 17, 2013 11:11 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      So how is it that you "know" this?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    linguafood RE: Gastronomos May 17, 2013 10:54 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    That's some of the most ridiculous assumptions I've ever read on this board.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Gastronomos RE: linguafood May 17, 2013 11:08 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      true story

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        linguafood RE: Gastronomos May 17, 2013 12:36 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        "True" in that you know people who are like this. That doesn't mean everyone else who likes steak is "child-like" (seriously?) or not interested what else the menu has to offer.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Vidute RE: Perilagu Khan May 16, 2013 10:15 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Wraps. of any kind. give me a well-made sandwich with two good slices of bread.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    monavano RE: Vidute May 17, 2013 07:33 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Agree on wraps. I hate the redundancy of the wrap, and the ends are nothing but wrap. I wind up tearing away the extra. I'll take bread any day over wraps.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      sandylc RE: Vidute May 17, 2013 09:38 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I'm not sure that "wraps" are even food. They are gummy and weird. I don't understand.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Savour RE: Vidute May 17, 2013 11:31 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Even mediocre Bread is so infinitely superior to whatever "wraps" are usually wrapped in.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Perilagu Khan RE: Vidute May 17, 2013 11:43 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          The only wrap I like is a sausage wrap. I make 'em with fresh flour tortillas, grilled Texas hot links, my own personal BBQ sauce, and dill pickle chips. It's far from alta cucina, but it's dam' tasty.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            EM23 RE: Vidute May 20, 2013 07:29 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Yeah, finally a winner!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              SliceOWonder RE: Vidute Jun 28, 2013 09:16 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Amen! Any sloppy sandwich is better than a bland dough wrapped around even blander filling.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            2. Gastronomos RE: Perilagu Khan May 17, 2013 07:48 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              It's too bad that you find kebab to be only "about your favorite meats and vegetables grilled together in loving propinquity?"

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              The world of kebabs is MUCH more than that.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I figured you would know that though.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              An "exercise in tedium", as you state, would be eating a 32oz steak. 32oz of the same, ..same, ..same... many, many, many bites of the same thing.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Perilagu Khan RE: Gastronomos May 17, 2013 07:54 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Yeah, buddy, I know all about kebabs in all their multifarious glory. I was obviously referring--hence the description--to the kebab as generally understood, which indeed, is a skewer of cubed meat and/or vegetable.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                As to the 32 oz. steak, I wouldn't know. Never eaten one. My steak is typically about half that size and is accompanied by various sides and a bottle of zin. No tedium at all.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Gastronomos RE: Perilagu Khan May 17, 2013 08:04 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  a 16oz steak is to me and all my friends and family. but it's an opinion. that's all.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Gastronomos RE: Perilagu Khan Jul 16, 2013 02:10 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    IMO, its the steak. Any kind of steak. They sound great in theory. What's not to love about your favorite meats grilled? Alas, once the steak leaves the realm of my mind and my plate, and passes my lips, its allure vanishes. Oh, the first several bites are nice, but soon thereafter eating steak becomes an exercise in tedium.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      John E. RE: Gastronomos Jul 18, 2013 10:47 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      The solution is to either share a steak with someone or just get little steaks.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        monavano RE: Gastronomos Jul 21, 2013 09:33 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        That's what sauce is for!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Gastronomos RE: monavano Jul 21, 2013 03:33 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Yes! Oh yes! Most definitely yes! A steak is nothing more than a vehicle to deliver sauce to mouth. Bordelaise, Béarnaise, gravy, etc. an absolute Must for steak! It's all about the sauce! You gotta love the sauce!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            FriedClamFanatic RE: Gastronomos Jul 21, 2013 04:04 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I shall assume you are kidding. Otherwise, why not just a cube of bread? I do marinade my steaks, almost never sauce them. I like the meat flavor

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    fara RE: Perilagu Khan May 17, 2013 07:57 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Cedar plank salmon! I felt like I was eating my closet.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Second the Old Bay. I couldn't get through more than a bite or two of Baltimore crabs. Who wants to eat seafood covered in dust? Sorry I think it's more of a tradition than anything good.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Surf and turf. Gross, even when they are done well, it's a bad combination.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Crawfish boil.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I do love foie gras, caviar, salmon cooked properly etc.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      VenusCafe RE: Perilagu Khan May 17, 2013 11:34 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Mexican baked sweets.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      They all taste the same. Too sweet/too bland

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        sandylc RE: VenusCafe May 17, 2013 11:49 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        They are a tremendous puzzle to me. Surely there are great sweets in Mexico. I think I only have seen in this country a very small representation of Mexican baked goods. Flan can be nice and I have had a pretty good sort of dry cheesecake, also. But most of the baked goods I've encountered here have been piles of shortening and sugar, from what I could tell. Hallmarks of bad US baking, as well.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        My half-dozen or so experiences with caviar have all been nothing to write home about.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Of course, I've never tried the super-pricey varieties like Beluga.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. Atomic76 RE: Perilagu Khan May 17, 2013 09:45 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Risotto. I can't stand it. It's just a big bowl of slimy flavorless rice. And it's not worth the effort it requires to make it in the first place.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            monavano RE: Atomic76 May 18, 2013 05:43 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Is this your risotto or restaurant, or both?
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Just wondering because I nearly gave up on risotto until I made it with carnaroli rice, which made a risotto light years better than arborio.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            So, I understand your sentiment. My efforts were tight and starchy and I couldn't for the life of me see what was so inviting about it.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I do think that it's been sort of romanticized and overrated (and way over priced) in restaurants. I mean, at the end of the day, it's rice. Unless this guy is making it!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Atomic76 RE: monavano May 18, 2013 07:11 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Both actually. I've made it myself, had it at food shows, and also at (gasp) a certain Iron Chef's restaurant in my neck of the woods. Didn't want to finish the plate.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I'll keep an eye out for the carnaroli though, thank you for the info! The last time I tried to make it, I did it in my electric pressure cooker, which supposedly is a rather easy and fool proof method. I may give it a try again with this rice.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                monavano RE: Atomic76 May 18, 2013 07:15 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I've been pretty happy with the pressure cooker method. I tend to make it a bit wetter than I'd like in the cooker (can't judge liquid on the fly), but I tighten it up with Parm. It's forgiving, which I need.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Thanks for sharing!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  fara RE: Atomic76 May 19, 2013 05:54 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  i also like vialone nano. and you don't need to stand there the whole time when making it. just add enough broth and then at the end you need to make sure it doesn't get overcooked.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              OhioHound RE: Perilagu Khan May 19, 2013 06:47 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Mashed potatoes.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Hated them as a kid, and can tolerate them now but find them overrated.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Though a nicely baked potato is listed as my choice for the most "underrated" dish!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. KaimukiMan RE: Perilagu Khan May 19, 2013 09:19 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Face it, even the most wonderful food can be ruined by a bad to mediocre preparation from burgers to bouillabaisse to babaganoush. A good preparation can be a wonderful thing for each of these as well.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I will be eviscerated for both my picks. But I have never seen the fascination with either caviar or pate. I've only had mediocre caviar, so I'm willing to concede that maybe there is something I am missing. On the other hand I've had pate that others have swooned over, savoring each morsel like it was the food of the gods. To me it was slimy and bitter, with no redeeming qualities. I can't stand liver (no, not even the way your aunt Millie prepares it) and to me it still tasted like liver. So I invite you to enjoy my portion along with your own.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  MGZ RE: KaimukiMan May 20, 2013 03:00 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  My problem is that I do enjoy liver, all livers, apparently, except my own . . . . Damn, my head hurts.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Bkeats RE: KaimukiMan May 20, 2013 08:37 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    But what about pate that doesn't have liver? Just because its called pate doesn't mean it has liver. One of my favorites is pate de campagne. Many preparations use no liver at all. Its pork, pork and more pork. Wonderful thick chewy texture. Flavors of roast pork, ham, bacon and lard.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      grampart RE: Bkeats May 20, 2013 08:48 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I guess it wouldn't be considered World Class, but I've made what is called Liverwurst Pate out of a sleeve of Braunschweiger, bacon, butter, parsley, and possibly some other stuff which turned out to be pretty darned good. Is this at all similar to a liver pate that would be served at a fancy joint? If I like my redneck version, could I expect to like others?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        MGZ RE: grampart May 20, 2013 09:12 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        OK. Thanks to that post, I'm goin' to try a bacon/liverwurst burger shortly. I don't think I'll involve butter, but I do have some fresh parsley growin' in the yard. I also will add some Swiss cheese, a tiny smear of mayo, and ketchup, as my tomatoes ain't ready yet.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        If it doesn't kill me, I'll report back. If it does, my wife and lawyers know how to find you, gramp.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          grampart RE: MGZ May 20, 2013 09:18 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          First off, I didn't say nuttin' bout no burger and second, blame these folks.


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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            MGZ RE: grampart May 20, 2013 09:21 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Fine, but you know it's gonna be good! Sometimes, folks post ideas on here that are like Miracle Grow for my cookin'.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Bkeats RE: grampart May 20, 2013 10:23 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Your concoction sounds good. Pate isn't fancy food. Its country food of the best kind. Its funny how words/names/food change over time and in translation. It seems that a lot of people think of pate as some squishy mixture with liver in it that is smeared on crackers. The name come from the crust that doesn't seem to appear much these days that encased all sorts of odds and ends that were chopped up and cooked together in the crust. Served in slices with some mustard and pickled vegetables, its one of my favorite meals. Your redneck version fits right in.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            c oliver RE: Bkeats May 20, 2013 10:51 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            My favorite pates don't even spread. Nice chunky, rustic stuff.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              GraydonCarter RE: Bkeats May 20, 2013 11:51 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Lately my favorite use of pate is on a banh mi sandwich.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          lagatta RE: KaimukiMan May 27, 2013 04:56 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          You can make very similar preparations with other meats and fowl, and in particular with duck. Not necessarily duck liver pâté. Dishes such as duck rillettes.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            PotatoHouse RE: lagatta Jul 15, 2013 02:32 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            As much as I love roast duck, NO other duck preperation tops duck rillettes!!!!!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              MGZ RE: PotatoHouse Jul 15, 2013 07:47 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I've long thought that where in the Bible, Eve is said to temp Adam with an apple, that "apple" was codeword for duck rillette.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        4. emglow101 RE: Perilagu Khan May 20, 2013 06:05 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Grilled fruit. Also balsamic vinegar.Except for the balsamic from Modena. I know balsamic vinegar is a condiment. Maybe start a new thread. Most overrated condiment.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            c oliver RE: emglow101 May 21, 2013 08:13 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I think grilled peaches are one of the best things ever! And a chef recommended that I serve some with foie gras. Oh yeah.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              schrutefarms RE: c oliver May 21, 2013 09:28 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Amazing with burrata as well!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                EM23 RE: schrutefarms May 21, 2013 09:58 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Oh boy! Add a little prosciutto, and we're in business.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          2. c oliver RE: Perilagu Khan May 21, 2013 08:07 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            PK, this is the kind of kebab we had in Turkey. I bet you'd like it.


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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Perilagu Khan RE: c oliver May 21, 2013 08:15 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Whoa! That looks absolutely delish. Can you tell me more about it?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I make the occasional seekh kebab, but they tend to come out a bit dry and tasteless.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                c oliver RE: Perilagu Khan May 21, 2013 08:56 AM


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Here's a recipe I just googled. We had them a couple of times in Turkey. They're pretty ubiquitous there. And, yes, it's meat and seasoning on a 'stick' that's grilled over a fire. One place we had them I pitched such a (good) fit over how wonderful they were that the owner gave me a small bag of his special seasoning. I think the ones we had were all lamb. I need to look into this more.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Savour RE: c oliver May 21, 2013 09:05 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  The Armenian version is called a lula kebab and they are amazing.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    c oliver RE: Savour May 21, 2013 09:24 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    And the Turkish one is called kofte. All good.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      EM23 RE: c oliver May 21, 2013 09:51 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      And the Persian version is Kobideh. Brushing with melted buter and onion juice, while grilling, is key.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Perilagu Khan RE: EM23 May 21, 2013 10:16 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I will try this the next time I make seekh kebabs. May work some toasted saffron into the butter as well.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          EM23 RE: Perilagu Khan May 21, 2013 10:24 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Nice! The Persian chicken kebab (Jujeh) has saffron as an ingredient, and they are delicious too.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Perhaps we can convert you, PK:)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            chowser RE: Perilagu Khan May 21, 2013 01:39 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            If you do them on the grill, make some grilled naan, too. It's a great combination.


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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            hyacinthgirl RE: EM23 May 21, 2013 10:40 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I was told it was butter and lime juice. Onion juice sounds interesting, how do you get onion juice?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              linguafood RE: hyacinthgirl May 21, 2013 10:41 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              You juice an onion.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                hyacinthgirl RE: linguafood May 22, 2013 07:27 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I knew someone would respond that, thanks for not letting me down :)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                EM23 RE: hyacinthgirl May 21, 2013 10:49 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I think the onion gives it great flavor. Just grate it - I use a microplane. Don't listen to lingua. You'll end up in tears.:)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          EM23 RE: c oliver May 21, 2013 10:18 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          They are usually made with ground lamb or beef, but I have also made them with ground pork and they were great. That Saveur recipe includes breadcrumbs which are not normally used.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Gastronomos RE: c oliver May 21, 2013 10:21 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        What?!? No meat and vegetables grilled together in loving propinquity??!!??!!??

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          c oliver RE: Gastronomos May 21, 2013 02:34 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          :) I think I learned here that if you want vegetables on skewers to not put them on with the meat.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Heading back to Istanbul in a few weeks and will be eating lots.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            globocity RE: Gastronomos May 22, 2013 07:10 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Can't wait to use "propinquity" in my everyday discourse. First in relation to people and then food.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            RWCFoodie RE: c oliver May 21, 2013 11:17 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Definitely my favorite type of kabob... Makes a great burger too.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Bunson RE: Perilagu Khan May 21, 2013 03:36 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I'm going to add filet mignon and lobster to this list.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Sorry, but filet has no flavor. Rib eye and New York strip, or even a proper BBQ brisket, blows filet mignon out of the water.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Lobster just has no taste when compared to other seafood. Dungeness crab, steamed mussels, or steamed clams are 10x sweeter and more flavorful than lobster, and they have better texture! The fact that you need to dip lobster in butter or have to pair it with something says it all. A plain steamed lobster tail right out of the cooker is underwhelming.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              MGZ RE: Bunson May 22, 2013 05:48 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              "Lobster just has no taste when compared to other seafood. Dungeness crab, steamed mussels, or steamed clams are 10x sweeter and more flavorful than lobster, and they have better texture!"

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              That is a fascinating comment. Mussels and clams really aren't sweet at all. Maine lobster (Homarus americanus), regardless of which part of the Atlantic coast it is pulled from is sweeter than any shellfish but scallops - "The cupcakes of the sea."

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I understand that tastes differ, and I have gotten sick of eatin' lobster a coupla times in my life, but, it appears, you and I have very different palates (though, I love crab of all kinds and think Dungeness to be magic). Funny how those things work. I'm not a sweets guy, though.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              And, as you may see above, there are a few others who agree with you about filet and lobster.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                fldhkybnva RE: MGZ May 22, 2013 06:04 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I think they all have wonderful flavor, it's subtle but it's tehre and I prepare most shellfish without much added because I enjoy the flavor. I will admit that I don't go gaga for lobster but it's tasty.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  MGZ RE: fldhkybnva May 22, 2013 06:20 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I like to prepare most shellfish simply as well. Nevertheless, that can get boring when you are graced with a lot of it cheap or free over a short period of time. That's when you gotta get creative. Catch three stripers over thirty pounds and by the end of the second week you're starting to think that jerk bass is a great idea.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Same with lobsters. The first of the season are old school steamed and butter dipped. When a buddy drops offs a half dozen in October 'cause he can't sell 'em, you're making Szechuan stir fry. I mean, I even change up the seasonings on my blue crabs during the summer.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  But, you gotta admit, bugs are sweet. I mean, that's why I don't think they're "gaga" either (but I've gotta scar on my finger from one, so maybe I'm holdin' a grudge?) Nonetheless, I'd probably rather have a muton chop or a two inch slab of beef most of the time.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    fldhkybnva RE: MGZ May 22, 2013 06:58 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Yea, I can imagine a satiation factor with the mild taste although the supply here is not as great as it seems to be for you, but makes sense. It's like when I just can't stand any more chicken breast.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      FriedClamFanatic RE: MGZ May 23, 2013 12:41 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      >>>Same with lobsters. The first of the season are old school steamed and butter dipped. When a buddy drops offs a half dozen in October 'cause he can't sell 'em, you're making Szechuan stir fry<<<

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Um.I can always use a new friend

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        MGZ RE: FriedClamFanatic May 23, 2013 12:53 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Who can't?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        If you're ever at the Central part of the Jersey Shore, post on my home Board and I'll gladly steer you the the cheapest and freshest bugs I know of at that time. If it's mid-fall, I might have to e-mail you a phone number for a buddy, but he'll sell you what he pulled that morning. He's not always so strict about usin' the rubber bands though . . . .

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        As to fried clams, same offer, ok?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          FriedClamFanatic RE: MGZ May 23, 2013 02:16 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Perk!!!!!!!!!!!! Fried Clams............with Bellies? LOL.I'll put this one aside for mid-sept. got a good friend in Barnegat

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            MGZ RE: FriedClamFanatic May 23, 2013 02:21 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            They're gettin' back down there as are we. However, I gotta note, in that area, I may have to enlist the help of our friend Quine. She's the Alpha 'hound of Southwestern Ocean County.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Bunson RE: MGZ May 22, 2013 05:48 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Hmm, it might just be me in that my first few lobster experiences weren't that great so I never felt the urge to spend $$$ on a quality lobster. Dungeness, clams and mussels though I just steam, with just plain water, and can pop them in my mouth nonstop like candy.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      c oliver RE: Bunson May 22, 2013 06:37 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      You steam whole, live Dungeness crabs? I guess I assumed they were boiled. I never buy them live.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Bunson RE: c oliver May 22, 2013 10:15 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I buy them locally off the boats at Half Moon Bay...completely different experience that can't be described until you try it. Crabs are full of fat and tomalley - they haven't been sitting in a supermarket tank stressed out/starving/fighting other crabs, nor precooked or frozen. Best thing to come out of the ocean, ever.