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Changing baby in the seating area and then dumping your coffee on the floor....

Maybe this should be on the media thread but I just saw this and could not help but comment.


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  1. I imagine the cops had quite a laugh about that after the fact. Call us back when you have a real problem, over-priced coffee swillers!

    1. I'm sorry but I would be offended if you changed your baby in the food area where I'm eating or may be sitting at some time. Throwing down your coffee on the floor???? wow.

      1. Who takes a baby to a coffee shop at 10 o'clock at night?

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        1. re: MGZ

          The same people who change their diapers on the table and blame starbucks for the inconvenience and throw coffee on the floor.

        2. Wow, so many wrongs all the way around! Very disgusting on so many levels. It is too bad this sort of thing is not just a rare event anymore. I was witness to a similar event recently.

          Bad manners, lack of social skills, unsanitary practices, anger control issues, poor judgement, etc.
          ........and calling the cops on idiots is not a good idea unless they threaten you. It is all just too bad.

          1. Wow....what jerks. Not going to judge why they were out at 10:00 pm...who knows and it doesn't matter. What I don't understand is why they would change their kid in the Starbucks. I have been to a lot of Starbucks (don't judge me) and have visited many of their restrooms. In most cases, they are single rooms with a locked door and ample floor space, meaning a parent could throw some paper towels on the floor and easily change their kid. Not as comfortable as doing so on a changing table, but I am sure that if they take their kid anywhere they have had to improvise before. All parents do this from time to time. And it doesn't involve changing the kid in front of diners, shoppers, or whatever. And most certainly doesn't involve dumping hot coffee on the floor in a snit.

            Shame on them....what will they say when their kid does something similar because he doesn't like what they tell him???

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            1. re: jlhinwa

              I have a tendency to assume the best in people. Maybe the bathroom was unusable for some reason. Maybe their car was overfull and changing the child there wasn't an option. Maybe they made every effort to be discreet about changing the kid at a table. Maybe.

              But... dumping a coffee on the floor? Because you thought a barista was snickering at you? That's absolutely unacceptable and simply disgusting behavoir, in my opinion. Childish and rude.

            2. Ugh, so many wrongs. The disregard for others and the entitlement this couple has is unbelievable. Changing a stinky diaper at a place where people eat? Unacceptable. And then they have the gall to throw coffee on the floor? Probably acting like a bigger baby than their baby...What a bunch of assholes. I'll bet that when they go to the movies they sit near the front and check their phones constantly so everyone behind them is distracted...Who cares about everyone else, because, you know, "you have to do what you have to do. Wherever you have to do it." Jerks.

              1. I wish that stupid, gossipy girl with the rag was around when the guy who smelled and looked like he hadn't bathed in a year came and sat down next to us. She could have thrown him a clue.
                I think I would rather have had the baby's diaper next to me.

                1. Beyond the 'baby changing' in a Starbucks...

                  I'm a little baffled, surprised and shocked so many CH's have such delicate and fragile tummies.

                  What do you all do when/if you go S of the border (I live in S Cal) or Columbia, etc., where the little shack, that serves up the best food in the area, has the mother cooking with one hand and changing the baby's diaper with the other?
                  Do you all call the authorities? What authorities?

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                  1. re: latindancer

                    Nah, I'm not falling for that one, it's not even up for debate. I don't want to smell your kids shit while getting a cup of coffee.

                    1. re: latindancer

                      Good point. While dining in a restaurant at 10 p.m. in south of the border I shall just ask for my Coffee Taco without the side dish of baby feces.

                      1. re: Firegoat


                        I'm blown away. I'm beginning to think CH's have gotten a little squeemish with their food.

                        1. re: latindancer

                          Can't speak for anyone else, but here's my two cents worth: I don't get squeamish about it...I can handle puke, poop, and worse if need be without getting too grossed out. But not everyone is equipped with a cast iron stomach, nor should they have to be. It is just flat out rude and inappropriate to change diapers in a restaurant or other public setting.

                          1. re: jlhinwa

                            I've had three kids. I've been puked on, peed on, s*it on by the children when they were babies and when they were ill.
                            I've nursed them in public, in Mass, on busses, and everywhere, but I was discreet with the titties.
                            Someone who changes their child in a restaurant OR a coffee place..be it Starbucks or Joe's diner down the street, has no regard for anyone else. I don't mind my own kids' shit, but I don't want anyone elses' kids'shit, piss or puke anywhere near me.

                        2. re: latindancer

                          "What do you all do when/if you go S of the border (I live in S Cal) or Columbia, etc., where the little shack, that serves up the best food in the area, has the mother cooking with one hand and changing the baby's diaper with the other?"

                          Not everyone see this scenario as a vacation. I know it does not appeal to me.

                          1. re: ttoommyy

                            Ha! I like to travel and am all-too-familiar with the obnoxious "oh, you haven't been to ____"? crowd.

                            But this is the first time I've heard it framed as "oh, you haven't been to a place where feces are probably touching your food?

                              1. re: Firegoat

                                The next time I go to a developing country, if I don't see a cook changing a baby while making my meal I'm going to throw my drink on the ground.

                                1. re: LeoLioness

                                  I shall demand a refund on my flight and hotel. Clearly not an authentic experience!

                              2. re: LeoLioness

                                "Ha! I like to travel and am all-too-familiar with the obnoxious "oh, you haven't been to ____"? crowd."

                                Which is the attitude that prompted me to start this thread a few days ago:


                                1. re: LeoLioness

                                  Gives a whole new meaning to the oft-uttered phrase "so and so looks like (s)he just ate a sh*t sandwich!"

                              3. re: latindancer

                                I don't expect to see squat toilets in a US restaurant/bar, though I have in other countries. What's your point? Having certain standards/expectations for different places/scenarios is not unreasonable.

                                1. re: LeoLioness

                                  My point is that a dirty diaper in a restaurant really doesn't bother alot of people that I know.
                                  I've seen/experienced much more offensive things in restaurants all over the world and this just doesn't seem too out-of-the-ordinary, actually, in the grand scheme of things that are offensive when eating.

                                  1. re: latindancer

                                    Fair enough. I have been to "third world" countries, but not primarily to eat. Now that I think of it, not in a "restaurant". I have never been to Starbucks to eat, but my daughter has, and tells mes she has paid $3.50 for coffee. I just don't understand the population they serve. I just can't see "first world" prices and "third world" ......sensibilities on the same table.

                                    1. re: latindancer

                                      The people you know are obviously very tolerant. I think most people don't expect to see a diaper changed on a Starbucks table.

                                      I don't want to see toileting and diapering mixed with food preparation or food eating, anywhere, at anytime, whether it's Mexico or Denver, at a nice restaurant, a cheap dive, a coffee shop, or someone's home. I believe most people share this view. It's kind of a basic animal instinct .... you don't shit where you eat.

                                      1. re: taos

                                        <diaper changed on a Starbucks table>

                                        Where did it say, in the article, the diaper was changed on a table?
                                        The people I know are quite tolerant when it comes to babies.
                                        Babies need to have their diapers changed and it's not going to kill me if the diaper's changed in front of me. I've seen much, much worse. It's the parents in this article who are making the mistake of imposing their will on the other customers. The employee was just plain stupid in how she handled the situation.
                                        Other than that...it's not like an adult pulled their pants down and sat down and defecated in front of everyone.
                                        It's a baby. Sheesh.

                                        1. re: latindancer

                                          Table, chair, counter, who cares? It doesn't really matter where, the point is that it's offensive.

                                          And it's not the baby, it's the parents.

                                          1. re: schrutefarms

                                            <And it's not the baby, it's the parents>

                                            Of course it's the baby people are offended by, otherwise the talk wouldn't be around the baby's poop.
                                            The parents are the guilty party, along with the stupid employee.
                                            The baby's just an innocent participant who needs its diaper changed. Give it a break, think about the real importance of what's happening...it'll be over in about 30 seconds.

                                            1. re: latindancer

                                              Well, I can think about, I have thought about it, and I keep coming back to the same conclusion--feces don't belong where people eat. The parents are entitled jerks. No one is mad at the baby.

                                              1. re: schrutefarms


                                                Well, your anger shows you're mad at somebody, that's for sure.

                                                1. re: latindancer

                                                  Who's angry? If based on these back and forth comments you can conclude that I'm angry, then I can only assume that you enjoy the smell of crap while you eat.

                                                  This is a discussion about a news article. It's really not a big deal. Since you seem to be so hell bent on defending a subject that, to me, is so unbelievable that I really can't believe there is someone out the who condones changing poopy diapers in an environment where people order food and drinks, it sounds like it's really striking a personal chord for you. I'm not interested in being "right". These are just my opinions. But I am starting to think that you might be the dad in the article. (That was a joke, BTW)

                                                  1. re: schrutefarms

                                                    Your posts reek of disgust & it's just not how I roll,
                                                    I'm just too advanced in age to get all pumped up about a baby's diaper being changed in a 'seating area' of a coffee shop.
                                                    It's just not that significant in the grand scheme of things, to me anyway.
                                                    There's nothing that's 'striking a personal chord' for me, not in the slightest.

                                                      1. re: latindancer

                                                        You've posted 12 times in this thread, all on the topic of a baby's diaper being changed in the seating area of a coffee shop.

                                                        You seem pretty pumped up about it.

                                              2. re: schrutefarms

                                                Yes. I said table, but either table or chair are offensive.

                                                And also, last I heard, baby poop and adult poop are pretty much the same thing.

                                                As a civilized human being, I don't want either present in the area where I'm dining.

                                                1. re: taos

                                                  Hey, believe me, I agree with you!

                                                  1. re: schrutefarms

                                                    Sorry. That should have said RE: latindancer, not RE: schrutefarms.

                                                  2. re: taos

                                                    reminds me of when one of my nephews first came home as a baby; somehow (maybe diaper rinsing?) two receptacles in the sink got "contaminated", one a colander and we were going to have spaghetti that night. When my mom dumped the spaghetti in the colander to drain; my sister was a little non-plussed but my mom said "it's only a little baby shit, don't worry about it!

                                        2. re: latindancer

                                          Sorry, but I wouldn't eat there. I'm not a germaphobe by any means but nobody wants to see a kid's shitty diaper when they're about to eat. Even in Mexico.

                                          1. re: latindancer

                                            Where are you eating? Because I've eaten a lot in Mexico, and I have yet to see that level of disregard for personal hygiene there. In fact, most Mexicans work pretty hard to keep clean and hygienic despite working in highly constrained situations by comparison with their US counterpart. Moreover, I know a few Mexicans who have expressed that they wish Americans were a little cleaner both in their homes and with their personal hygiene.

                                            I don't mean to be too contrary here - I actually agree with your fundamental point. I just think there's got to be a better way to make it than by rehashing weak stereotypes.

                                            1. re: Cachetes

                                              <rehashing weak stereotypes>

                                              It's not at all what I'm doing.

                                              I'm referring to a couple of very small villages in very small eateries, not sure if I'd even consider them 'restaurants' as we know them in this country. Mexico isn't, by far, the only country I'm referring to.
                                              They're very small & personally owned where the parents have nobody to watch their children and so they multi-task.
                                              Regardless, it's beside the point because, obviously, I'm in the minority here.
                                              I'm partial to very clean environments, actually more than the average person and I'm known for it, but this isn't something I'd gag over.

                                              1. re: latindancer

                                                You're not in the minority of traveling to developing countries and eating on the street. But yeah, sorry, I've never seen anyone cooking while changing a diaper.

                                                1. re: LeoLioness


                                                  Please re-read my post. I didn't say I was 'in the minority of traveling to developing countries and eating on the street.
                                                  It happens that women do it and it's overlooked because the food is *that* good.

                                                  1. re: latindancer

                                                    I must have overlooked it then, because I've never seen it anywhere I've eaten.

                                                    1. re: LeoLioness

                                                      I've seen it happen in this country, in small pockets, and not thought anything of it other than to put it in the proper context and understand it, based on the population.

                                                      1. re: latindancer

                                                        That's great. Me, I would probably think about getting feces in my food. I'm such a princess!

                                                    2. re: latindancer

                                                      I grew up in Mexico. Trust me, a taco stand where the people running it had a parallel deal of changing their baby's diapers in the same area as the cooking area and during the cooking process wouldn't get a lot of customers. It's just widely-agreed common sense. Eating shit, either yours or others, is not widely recommended as an experience. It isn't good for you, in general.

                                                      Exceptions to be made, believe it or not, for something called a "fecal transplant", look it up, it's amazing. But not in a commonly-experienced setting.

                                                  2. re: latindancer

                                                    Seriously, what do "a couple of very small villages in very small eateries" that you wouldn't even consider restaurants have to do with not being offended by someone changing their kids diaper in a Denver Starbucks? I love being in other countries, and learning new (to me) traditions and seeing different ways of life. But to quote the much beloved Dr. Suess "I do not like them here or there, I do not like them anywhere. I do not like green eggs and ham, I do not like them, Sam-I-Am"

                                                    The green eggs and ham being, in this case, a poopy diaper.

                                                    1. re: latindancer

                                                      I actually agreed with you - I really dislike the overly squeamish attitude I see sometimes (not necessarily on this thread). I have friends who the first thing they do when entering a restaurant is wipe down tables with clorox wipes and sanitize every surface for their precious kids. It's embarrassing to be seen with them. I was raised in the same household as one of them, so I know it wasn't my parents who imparted that level of crazy.

                                                      Moreover, I know exactly the types of places you are referring to - they are more an extension of someone's home than anything else - a converted garage, a small side patio, etc. I've eaten at them in Mexico and Costa Rica. I just don't think they are a good example. People have a lot of incorrect preconceived notions about hygiene practices in Mexico, and by stating incorrectly that women there are doing things like changing diapers while cooking does nothing to dispel them.

                                                      Eat on, it seems we enjoy eating at the same types of places!

                                                      1. re: Cachetes

                                                        I'm willin' to bet I'm one of the least squeamish 'hounds on this Site. I got no problem eatin' with dirty hands. Hell, I once stitched a cut on my own finger. It ain't about that, it's about bad parents and Dad bein' such a little bitch.

                                                        Eat on, indeed!

                                                        1. re: Cachetes

                                                          Yes, I agree there are preconceived notions about hygiene in Mexico....I wouldn't join that conversation, ever. I was using this country as an example, nothing more....NEVER to denigrate the people or the cooking of ANY country.
                                                          I would assume that intelligent, worldly, cultured people who love good food and love to travel would understand it.

                                                        1. re: garlicvampire

                                                          All the people who claim wer're over-vigilant about germs should read this story from OregonLive.

                                                        2. re: latindancer

                                                          That's way too politically correct for me.

                                                          1. re: LeoLioness

                                                            Agreed. Like one of the comments of the article said, why couldn't they just go out to their car to change the kid, or waited until after his coffee was ready and left? It's not like they were in the middle of a 5 course dinner... he was ordering a coffee. I'm not sure the employees handled the situation very well either though.

                                                            1. re: juliejulez

                                                              I did some creative diaper changing in my day. In this situation, I probably would have put the kid on the restroom floor unless it looked really gross, in which case I would have used my car backseat or hood.

                                                              1. re: juliejulez

                                                                I can appreciate that maybe they didn't have a car but why not use the floor of the bathroom? What, is there a chance it's dirty and unsanitary? Oh, the irony.

                                                                1. re: LeoLioness

                                                                  I changed my kids several times on dirty floors. All I had to do was put down some paper towels, then the changing mat, then the kid. Neither one caught anything horrible, though I do apologize for killing all those trees.

                                                            2. Parents seem like low class, entitled, clueless jerks.

                                                              Change in the car. Have one parent go while the other stays home while the one year old who should be in bed. Make coffee at home. Wait five minutes until you get home. They had lots of options yet they chose the dumbest most antagonistic option available.

                                                              Why is Starbucks apologizing to them?

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                                                              1. re: Withnail42

                                                                Unfortunately in a service industry, no matter how big of jerks the customers are, the workers need to at least be respectful to them... not throwing a rag at them, or start engaging the customer in "exchanging strong words and hand gestures".

                                                                1. re: juliejulez

                                                                  How hard can you "throw a rag"? I'm not exactly inclined to give these parents the benefit of the doubt that they are the injured party here, given their overall behavior.

                                                                  Though, for better or worse, an employee shouldn't engage a customer in an argument. Make your point then let it go or let someone above you handle it if things get heated.

                                                                  1. re: LeoLioness

                                                                    Oh no, the parents were still total absolute jerks, but Starbucks is apologizing because regardless of their behavior, they weren't treated correctly by the employees, and they're trying to cover their ass... in this litigious society we live in, they have no choice.

                                                                    1. re: juliejulez

                                                                      Yes, agreed. They would be foolish to not make a statement of apology.

                                                                      1. re: juliejulez

                                                                        It's not just about the litigation though. It's not how a representative of a well regarded company should be treating customers. There was certainly a way to address the parents in a more respectful manner.

                                                                        1. re: juliejulez

                                                                          Well, they are playing the “victimized family” card pretty well, and managed to get their story on the local news within a day. I bet a lawsuit is in the offing.

                                                                      2. re: juliejulez

                                                                        You are right. Although I very much doubt that the 'family' did anything to ease the situation that they alone created. The last thing thrown was when the 'gentleman' throw his coffee of on the floor. That company is expected treat the customer no matter how much of a low life they happen to be with dignity and respect.(No matter how little they deserve it.)

                                                                        1. re: juliejulez

                                                                          I totally agree...the employees handled it very poorly. The parents were totally out of line and the dad was a world-class jerk, but as my mom always said, two wrong do not make a right. It seems as if the employee(s) involved were very unprofessional in how they handled the situation.

                                                                      3. As a parent of young children, there are two issues here:
                                                                        1) Changing the kid's diaper in public. I get it... parents have to do what they have to do. I've certainly changed pee diapers before, although that involves us holding the baby and quick slapping on a new diaper while removing the old. Maybe not pleasant for others to watch, but probably not overly unsanitary given his privates never touch anything. Changing poo diapers? A much more delicate situation. We try to do it in our car, but sometimes nature calls in tough places. I'm certainly not changing my kid on the bathroom floor and will certainly cop to changing a poo diaper in public place. I don't ever recall changing one on a restaurant seat, but have done so on a park bench for example, which in my view could be equally criticized. To me, its a last resort, but I do it, if not very infrequently.
                                                                        2) Taking offense with employees' / patrons' disgust. No excuse here. Lets' be clear. Changing a diaper on a public seat is unsanitary and unpleasant. Full stop. If you do so, I think it takes a certain amount of gall to then take offense when you are criticized for doing so. Even if the employees could have been more tactful in doing so.

                                                                        Sorry for lengthy email, but had a pretty strong reaction to the story. My view: Nature calls sometimes, and you have to do what you have to do, but don't take offense when others call you out for doing what you have to do!

                                                                        1. This is where too much information applies.

                                                                          1. I've seen changing on a table, Benno's Galveston, a caveat, it was outdoors where food plus ocean = seagull poop. I always eat indoors there.

                                                                            1. I will say I've rolled out the pad on the floor of a stall when there is no table.... and if you can't do that, the car then. Its really on the edge of what's proper - a poopy diaper can really drop a atmospheric bomb in the area. And not sure if she used a pad, so you have the risk of soiling the cushion.

                                                                              And yes, what's the kid doing awake at 10pm? Maybe she was trying to drive him down, but then why take him into a Starbucks?

                                                                              The employees should have kept their mouths shut, but the mother sounds like a entitled yet clueless individual..

                                                                              1. Changing a diaper at a dining table is disgusting. There is no way, no time when I see that being acceptable. Leaving a poop and vomit trail when things go horribly wrong...fine. Asking the staff for help when things go horribly wrong...fine.

                                                                                I am most annoyed that Starbucks offered a lukewarm apology.

                                                                                I've got three time and I am not always totally prepared. But in the worst case scenario I've taken off my shirt and used that on the floor of a filthy bathroom with no changing table, no seat covers, and no paper towels.

                                                                                1. This clueless, classless woman should be saving her coffee money and investing in self-improvement courses.

                                                                                  I feel sorry for her baby.

                                                                                  1. There is something to be said for birth control

                                                                                    1. It's disgusting and should not be allowed....period! Should be treated just like cigar smoking; take it outside!

                                                                                      1. As someone who has had e-coli infection, I can tell you first hand, there is good reason why there are so many laws regarding feces or fecal matter around food. Not fun or something to be taken lightly.

                                                                                        While perhaps not handled with the greatest "tact", I can completely understand the employees stance.