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kpaxonite May 6, 2013 09:51 AM

I hated all the other episodes but this one was really really amazing I didnt find him too cocky and he finally did montreal the way it should be done ... I might be biased since I live in mtl but I think it was even better than his layover/no reservation episodes here

  1. linguafood May 6, 2013 11:01 AM

    I wanted to eat pretty much everything on that show. AB in high form, for sure.

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      Worldwide Diner May 6, 2013 08:45 PM

      Now he goes where we can't and eat what we cannot. Bourdain has placed himself above his viewers.

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        catroast May 6, 2013 09:40 PM

        all of his shows are ethnographic to some degree. Apart from the layover, they have never been about tourism. they have presented a gross exaggeration, a caricature, of quebec culture that nonetheless captures its essence while creating an interesting narrative for the broader audience.

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          linguafood May 6, 2013 10:49 PM

          Yes, Bourdain has been to and eaten in many places I may never visit, however, that does not lower my enjoyment of his show.

          Above his viewers? Please.

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            LulusMom May 11, 2013 08:43 AM

            Your name is worldwide diner. I'm confused about why you can't go to Montreal?

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              Worldwide Diner May 11, 2013 04:32 PM

              You can go to Liverpool House but you cannot order what he had.

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                LulusMom May 12, 2013 03:46 AM

                Ah, gotcha. You could always ask.

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          unlaced May 6, 2013 11:56 AM

          I saw the last few minutes of this show (not really familar with Anthony Bourdain but I recognised the guys from Joe Beef). But I was confused by the Pakistani meal that they showed them sharing at the end? I had missed the start of the segment, and so was wondering where they were eating. Googled and found out that it was a one off special menu from one of the Pakistani chefs at Liverpool House. Was this explained more in the show at all? Can you order this off menu at Liverpool House, or was it truly a one off? It seemed strange to me to showcase a meal that no one in Montreal can actually order!

          1. Kris in Beijing May 6, 2013 12:37 PM

            This one was at least 80% about food, so the former followers of AB should be pleased.
            Not sure how perpetual CNN viewers will connect, though.

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              HillJ May 6, 2013 12:55 PM

              Skift hit the highlights including the restaurant log.
              http://skift.com/2013/05/06/anthony-bourdains-parts-unknown-episode-4-recap-canada-by-rail/

              http://www.cnn.com/video/shows/anthon...
              here's a taste of epi 4

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                John Francis May 6, 2013 02:44 PM

                Amazing indeed. I was riveted. After it was all over, I kept thinking back to L'Affaire est ketchup, with people swigging out of wine bottles and the young cooks producing amazing stuff on a stove just like mine in a kitchen barely big enough to swing a goose.

                The web page for the show names a dish that will catch your eye: boneless wild hair in a sauce of its own blood. Whose hair did they use?

                http://www.cnn.com/video/shows/anthon...

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                  Philly Ray May 10, 2013 08:28 PM

                  That was a typo. It should be "boneless wild hare" as in rabbit.

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                  catroast May 6, 2013 04:45 PM

                  I just watched the episode. It was more about Quebec celebrity chef's staging contrived situations but it was fun nonetheless.

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                    sandylc May 6, 2013 08:00 PM

                    I almost hesitate to bring it up, but is anyone else SLIGHTLY bothered by the in-club naughty boys aura that always permeates his shows? I mean, I like AB a lot and have watched and enjoyed many of his shows, but, could we be a TAD bit less cool, and maybe acknowledge the existence of intelligent females once in a while?

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                      John Francis May 7, 2013 01:39 AM

                      Did you see the episode on Koreatown? The chef's mother was given a lot of screen time and attention, with never a put-down, and both here and in other shows, Bourdain has shown as much appreciation and respect for those who cook in the home - almost all of them women - as for the three-star chefs. But maybe you've missed all those shows?

                      That said, Bourdain is Bourdain, and he has never been the least bit politically correct. I would never expect hiim to go out of his way to give women restaurant chefs equal time, which would be pretty difficult anyway because notable women chefs are still few and far between. It's pretty much a men's world, while the kitchen at home is still pretty much women's domain; if it's a sexual stereotype, it's nonetheless true. I'm not aware that Bourdain's show has unfairly excluded any top female chefs in Montréal and Québec City, Koreatown, Colombia, or Myanmar, but maybe that's just my ignorance of those places.

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                        catroast May 7, 2013 05:08 AM

                        It's true that the show rarely, if he ever, celebrates female chefs or foodies. On No Reservations has he ever had a female fixer? Notable female chefs are not far and few between. They are a pretty regular occurrence and there are many celebrated female chefs in the United States and Europe. By the way, it is contradictory to describe something as both a stereotype and a truth.

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                          linus May 7, 2013 08:46 AM

                          bourdain's shows have featured women, women chefs, women foodies and female fixers on a regular basis.

                          just off the top of my head: the woman who helped him through paris. the dynamite little girl in the hudson valley. the woman who navigated him through korea. the women who showed him around brazil.
                          and on...

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                            catroast May 7, 2013 09:46 AM

                            ah ok thanks for clarifying

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                              pamf May 7, 2013 12:05 PM

                              Don't forget the awesome Lucy Garcia in Spain who translated for him at El Bulli and was also in other Spanish episodes.

                              And there was a NR where he asked viewers to write in with their ideas for how they would host him in their location, and he picked a young woman in a Middle Eastern country (memory fails, might have been Saudi Arabia).

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                                JAB May 7, 2013 02:59 PM

                                Let's not cloud the issue with facts.

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                                John Francis May 7, 2013 08:31 PM

                                "it is contradictory to describe something as both a stereotype and a truth." - No it isn't. A stereotype is a simplification, as is any generalization, but it can be essentially true nonetheless, exceptions notwithstanding.

                                For the rest, you disagree that notable women chefs are few and far between. This may be no more than a disagreement over what "notable" means, and maybe also "chef," or even "few." I won't argue it with you.

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                                  catroast May 7, 2013 08:53 PM

                                  these kinds of stereotypes are reinforced by confirmational bias. it is intellectual laziness and sexism. You don't have to look very hard to find women working in the culinary world even if they are grossly under represented. it's not what you said per se, it's how you said it.

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                                    John Francis May 8, 2013 03:31 AM

                                    It's not about merely "women working in the culinary world." That's shifting the ground. It's about women chefs, as distinct from line cooks and home cooks, who are notable enough to feature in TV programs and magazine and newspaper articles about cuisine(s) and cooking.

                                    Certainly there are some, such as Alex Guarnaschelli and Cat Cora, but as far as I can tell without having done exhaustive research, they are few. Most of the women who appear in such programs aren't chefs but home cooks, from Julia Child to Rachael Ray. (And many of the men too, of course - Alton Brown and Mark Bittman never worked in a restaurant kitchen in their lives.) To persuade me that I'm mistaken needs more than denial. Names, please, and plenty of them.

                                    As for confirmational bias, if a "bias" is confirmed by the relevant facts, it's not really a bias but the truth, whether one likes it or not.

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                                      jcattles May 8, 2013 08:26 AM

                                      Did you know that Julia Child attended the Le Cordon Bleu in France? That in itself in the 1950's was quite an accomplishment.She may not have worked in a restaurant, but she was way more than a "home cook". She paved the way for female chefs.

                                      How about this quote from the LA Times regarding this year's James Beard Foundation winners:

                                      "And yet 2013 turned out to be a banner year for female chefs (just not ours), who won three best chef awards: Stephanie Izard of Girl & the Goat in Chicago, Melissa Kelly of Primo in Maine and Jennifer Jasinski of Rioja in Denver. It was a long long way from the early days of the awards, when it was hard to find a woman who was a nominee, let alone a winner."

                                      http://www.latimes.com/features/food/...

                                      Other "notable" women chefs:

                                      Michelle Berstein
                                      Stephanie Izard
                                      Jennifer Jacinski
                                      Mary Sue Milliken
                                      Christina Tosi
                                      Alice Waters
                                      Ruth Reichl (Yes, she was a chef at one time
                                      )April Bloomfield
                                      Anita Lo
                                      Lydia Bastianich

                                      I could go on if you'd like. Bourdain had quite the conversation going on Twitter recently when he asked if there needs to be a category for "best female chefs" instead of just "best chefs" for awards. It may have been a male dominated field for decades, but the world has changed and women are just as capable of being chefs and not just "home cooks".

                                      Time to give them the respect they deserve and not put them down because they are women.

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                                  Philly Ray May 10, 2013 08:39 PM

                                  I was at one of the live shows Bourdain did with Eric Ripert and during the Q&A part of the show, someone asked them to comment on the "glass ceiling" that exists in the restaurant industry. Both Bourdain and Ripert said that the kitchen is a true meritocracy and they don't care what gender the person working there is as long as they pull their weight.

                                  As for seeing women in the shows, I also remember an Asian woman (I want to say Vietnamese?) who ran a huge restaurant.

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                                    kpaxonite May 11, 2013 10:52 AM

                                    and the lunch lady of asia

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                                  karenfinan May 9, 2013 05:56 PM

                                  Never a put down, did you see the show??

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                                  karenfinan May 9, 2013 05:55 PM

                                  One woman spoke on the entire show, had less than 6 seconds of air time, and it was about a place that served baloney sandwiches. Women were barely on screen, only in crowd scenes very fleetingly. Tony is really showing a boys club.

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                                  aasg May 6, 2013 08:11 PM

                                  I enjoyed most of the episode and I like that the show isn't all about the hot spot or go-to food places in any given location, but locals who love food showing Anthony Bourdain food they love and the places they go.

                                  The meal with all of the maple treats made me long for the summer I spent in Quebec when they gave me, the maple syrup loving western Canadian, maple syrup at all times. Maple candies, maple mustard chicken, maple syrup on pancakes, maple syrup on ice cream... it was a staple of my diet that summer and I was sent back home with a very heavy case of maple syrup in my duffel bag when I took VIA Rail home (as featured on the show).

                                  As an aside, as I would expect in a show that needs to condense information to fit the time frame, the language laws and issues surrounding it were very much glossed over. It would have been interesting to hear from the Joe Beef guys on this, as they had some troubles of their own around the same time as the Pastagate issue referred to in the episode. Even a big company like Starbucks is not immune to needed to adapt, as seen by the Café Starbucks Coffee in the province.

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                                    catroast May 6, 2013 09:34 PM

                                    the language regulations, as with most forms of bureaucracy, are mundane and not interesting for tv or most quebecois. i was happy that he mentioned some contemporary political issues but he couldn't possible go more in depth without making a mockery of the province.

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                                    Dan Wodarcyk May 6, 2013 10:44 PM

                                    This was the first episode of this new series that I enjoyed. Fortunately, Quebec does not have the history and turmoil that Myanmar and Columbia have, which allowed him to focus on what he does best (though he tried with the whole secession thing.)

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                                      ylsf May 9, 2013 07:48 AM

                                      I haven't watched this episode yet but planning to watch the season from the start. Some people may be interested to know that he has posted up the episode on his own Youtube channel :

                                      http://youtu.be/xinKMSh7tYM

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                                        HillJ May 9, 2013 07:50 AM

                                        anyone know who is singing/music belongs to at the open credits?

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                                          linus May 9, 2013 07:58 AM

                                          according the end credits, the opening theme music is by josh homme and mark lanegan.

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                                            HillJ May 9, 2013 08:08 AM

                                            thanks linus! Frontmen from the band, Queens of the Stone Age.

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                                              linus May 9, 2013 08:16 AM

                                              they've been on bourdain shows before -- well, homme anyway. i preferred the 'no reservations' theme myself, and, sadly, can't recall an episode where jon spencer made an appearance.

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                                                HillJ May 9, 2013 08:19 AM

                                                I just read that once I had the names I put two & two together. I liked the NR theme as well.

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                                                  HillJ May 9, 2013 08:59 AM

                                                  While rewatching the epi, I remembered the aspic work done on the fish. While not a fan of eating aspic, I sure do admire the work.

                                      2. Caroline1 May 9, 2013 05:39 PM

                                        I was not a fan of the first show on Myanmar, but I do feel the show has improved and is continuing to do so, but... From here, it looks as if the more the show improves, the more tired AB appears. Poor baby!

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                                          Kris in Beijing May 10, 2013 05:48 PM

                                          I'm beginning to think our use of "tired" [I said it about the M episode] may just be a euphemism for...old.
                                          He was using some distinctly "grandpa" back-in-my-day phrasing during this CA episode.

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                                            Caroline1 May 11, 2013 11:01 AM

                                            I agree. Let's dump the euphemisms! Old he IS looking! Maybe he needs to find a rejuvenation bar and spend a bit less time in the dissipation bars? Couldn't hurt! '-)

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                                              LulusMom May 11, 2013 02:36 PM

                                              Old/young - he looks handsome and as weather-beaten as he should.

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                                                Kris in Beijing May 11, 2013 03:26 PM

                                                For me, this is the "I'm getting worried 'bout you, dude" kind of old.
                                                Maybe Dorian Gray was just a Marlboro man also on coke/heroin.

                                                --
                                                I'm happiest in any episode when we are shown the joyous smile of relaxed pleasure that makes him look like a teenager/ wild 3yr old.

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                                                Stephanie Wong May 20, 2013 08:17 AM

                                                Years ago Bourdain said something to the effect that if Keith Richards was still alive, he figured he was still good to go.

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                                            kpaxonite May 11, 2013 09:22 PM

                                            Is it supposed to be a joke that every episode we see him awkwardly take a cell phone pic of his food?

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                                              Kris in Beijing May 11, 2013 09:29 PM

                                              Here they are:

                                              http://izismile.com/2013/04/17/anthon...

                                            2. thecitylane May 12, 2013 07:39 AM

                                              I can't believe I missed that this show had started. So not as good as No Reservations so far 'eh? Hopefully this episode means things are picking up!

                                              1. scubadoo97 May 13, 2013 07:53 PM

                                                The food was just Wow

                                                1. c oliver Mar 22, 2014 08:59 PM

                                                  All this time later, we just watched this. (Thank you, TiVo.) Total drool. The most amazing food I've ever seen.

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