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mwhitmore May 3, 2013 10:09 AM

Thought of this when I saw the foie gras thread. If this stuff were dirt cheap, I wouldn't bother to make a sandwich out of it. Does anyone feel this way about prime beef? Lobster? Caviar? Truffles? Veal Prince Orloff?

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  1. Perilagu Khan RE: mwhitmore May 3, 2013 10:13 AM

    I'm not that wild about filet mignon. And if we're including beverages, I'd say that the law of diminishing returns kicks in once you start spending much over 30 dollars on a bottle of wine.

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      Chemicalkinetics RE: Perilagu Khan May 3, 2013 10:20 AM

      I am not wild about filet mignon either, but that is just me.

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        prolix RE: Perilagu Khan May 3, 2013 10:42 AM

        Some of the "luxury" cuts of beef are, to my mind, lacking in flavor. I'll take a hangar steak over a filet mignon. But the other things the OP mentioned, I love! Foie admittedly the least of the bunch (though I love livers).

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          lagatta RE: prolix May 3, 2013 03:19 PM

          Foie means liver in French (yes, even human livers), but I'm presuming you mean foie gras. I'm underwhelmed by it too; I love duck livers but the non-fattened ones are already plenty rich, and I find them more flavourful.

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          lagatta RE: Perilagu Khan May 3, 2013 10:43 AM

          Including single-malt Scotch?

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            Chemicalkinetics RE: lagatta May 3, 2013 10:44 AM

            I was thinking about just that. It is very difficult to get reasonable Scotch (even blended) for less than $30 -- like Johnny Walker Black.

            Perilagu probably only meant wine.

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              sisterfunkhaus RE: Chemicalkinetics May 5, 2013 03:27 PM

              I abhor Scotch, and I have had good Scotch. I, however, love Irish Whiskey.

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                c oliver RE: sisterfunkhaus May 5, 2013 04:03 PM

                Except for a similar spelling, that's where the similarity ends.

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              Perilagu Khan RE: lagatta May 3, 2013 11:33 AM

              Heavens no. I meant wine. Most liquors, including my beloved single malt Scotch, require at least a 30-dollar outlay.

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                GH1618 RE: lagatta May 3, 2013 07:29 PM

                That isn't wine, although Alistair Cooke referred to "the wines of Scotland."

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                KrumTx RE: Perilagu Khan May 3, 2013 01:05 PM

                I'm not wild about filet mignon either. I'll take a ribeye over it any day.

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                  Perilagu Khan RE: KrumTx May 3, 2013 02:16 PM

                  Naturally. You're a Texan. ;)

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                    Chemicalkinetics RE: Perilagu Khan May 3, 2013 02:25 PM

                    I am a Californian and I too prfer ribeye too. Just saying.

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                      Perilagu Khan RE: Chemicalkinetics May 4, 2013 08:18 AM

                      Honorary Texan. ;)

                      I prefer the NY strip, though. Perhaps that makes me an honorary Yank.

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                        Chemicalkinetics RE: Perilagu Khan May 4, 2013 10:49 AM

                        Thanks, Great Khan,

                        I have a feeling (just a feeling) that New Yorker prefer filet mignon over NY strip. :)

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                          Perilagu Khan RE: Chemicalkinetics May 4, 2013 02:53 PM

                          You may well be right. I would be interested in knowing what the favorite cut of beef for New Yorkers is.

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                            loratliff RE: Chemicalkinetics May 5, 2013 06:27 PM

                            Well, I'm a Texan by birth, but I live in NY now. For many years (while I lived in Texas, actually), I preferred a filet, but living in NY has actually made me amenable to steaks with a good fat cap.

                            Most of the on-trend (good) restaurants are serving ribeyes, strips, flanks, hangers, etc. You'd have to go to The Palm to get your filet. Soooo, I disagree with your "feeling."

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                        KrumTx RE: Perilagu Khan May 3, 2013 02:57 PM

                        Ha. True that. I keep a .38 in my nightstand and I prefer fried catfish to any scallop dish. So embarrassing. Klassy (with a capital k), too.

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                          James Cristinian RE: Perilagu Khan May 3, 2013 06:52 PM

                          Another Texan that prefers ribeye or chicken fried steak over filet, and no .38 on the nightstand, but a double barrel shotgun in the bed.

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                            jpc8015 RE: James Cristinian May 4, 2013 04:15 AM

                            I am from way out on the left coast and I prefer a ribeye. Tenderloin just doen't have any flavor to it. I prefer a NY strip to a tenderloin too.

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                              linguafood RE: James Cristinian May 4, 2013 11:11 AM

                              Let's hope it doesn't go off accidently.

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                                Perilagu Khan RE: linguafood May 4, 2013 02:51 PM

                                I've never known a ribeye to go off half cocked.

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                                  James Cristinian RE: Perilagu Khan May 5, 2013 07:47 AM

                                  Exactly, breech open but ready for action. I'm boiling crawfish today, they can also be chicken fried.

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                                    linguafood RE: Perilagu Khan May 5, 2013 11:03 AM

                                    No, it's the people with shotguns *in their beds* who are half-cocked. Or could end up being un-cocked :-D

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                                      Perilagu Khan RE: linguafood May 5, 2013 01:10 PM

                                      I bleeve the technical term is decocked.

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                                        linguafood RE: Perilagu Khan May 5, 2013 01:26 PM

                                        Agreed.

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                                  Chimayo Joe RE: James Cristinian May 4, 2013 01:03 PM

                                  Born in Texas but have never lived there long enough to consider myself a Texan. My problem with chicken fried steak is that it's so much harder to get a proper chicken fried steak in a restaurant than a ribeye. Prefer both of them over filet. Two revolvers in the nightstand for the New York reload which I don't think makes me a New Yorker even one little bit. Ha!

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                                    grampart RE: Chimayo Joe May 4, 2013 01:12 PM

                                    Not a Texan, but I love a good steak and smoked brisket. Shotgun in the corner and this little Texas-made baby in the nightstand.

                                     
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                                      KrumTx RE: grampart May 4, 2013 05:40 PM

                                      She's pretty.

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                                      sandylc RE: Chimayo Joe May 4, 2013 01:17 PM

                                      At my mother's retirement complex, they make chicken-fried steak out of....drumroll, please....CHICKEN!

                                      ?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

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                                        Perilagu Khan RE: sandylc May 4, 2013 02:55 PM

                                        If the chicken breast has been slightly tenderized and marinated properly, I'd be willing to try this. Obviously, it's not CFS, but that doesn't mean it couldn't be good eats.

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                                          lagatta RE: Perilagu Khan May 4, 2013 04:31 PM

                                          It would be like chicken schnitzel, or scaloppini.

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                                            sandylc RE: Perilagu Khan May 4, 2013 06:32 PM

                                            I am fine with breaded, fried chicken breast. But, exactly, it isn't CFS!

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                                            KrumTx RE: sandylc May 4, 2013 05:41 PM

                                            The fake-out is not cool!

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                                              foiegras RE: sandylc May 4, 2013 10:36 PM

                                              That's called chicken-fried chicken.

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                                                TroyTempest RE: sandylc May 6, 2013 07:36 AM

                                                We call that chicken fried chicken, here in TX.

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                                                  Perilagu Khan RE: TroyTempest May 6, 2013 11:23 AM

                                                  I've seen chicken fried chicken on many a menu, but never really given it much thought. Now that I know what it is, I might just give it a whirl.

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                                                    TroyTempest RE: Perilagu Khan May 6, 2013 02:23 PM

                                                    Yeah, It sounds pretty dumb, but it's a good alternative to CFS.

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                                                EWSflash RE: Chimayo Joe May 4, 2013 09:43 PM

                                                You're so right about the CFS.

                                                All my firearms are in the gun safe.

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                                            kitchengardengal RE: KrumTx May 4, 2013 03:49 AM

                                            I'm not from Texas, and I don't have a gun, but give me a ribeye instead of a filet, please.

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                                              sandylc RE: kitchengardengal May 4, 2013 08:35 AM

                                              Not a Texan. Love ribeye. Filet is a vehicle for bearnaise.

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                                                fara RE: sandylc May 4, 2013 09:49 AM

                                                Ditto

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                                                  EWSflash RE: sandylc May 4, 2013 09:44 PM

                                                  Right- a good ribeye doesn't need aught but salt and pepper

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                                                sisterfunkhaus RE: KrumTx May 5, 2013 03:28 PM

                                                I prefer Ribeye as well.

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                                                  fara RE: sisterfunkhaus May 5, 2013 06:28 PM

                                                  ribeyes and scotch, let's go :)

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                                                  Bkeats RE: KrumTx May 6, 2013 05:20 AM

                                                  I prefer a rib eye or strip but why the lack of love for the filet? Not a lot of beef flavor on its own, but as an ingredient, there is much to be appreciated. You need a filet for Tournedos Rossini. That is a spectacular dish. Try it if you can find it. Hardly anyone makes it anymore because there's just so much work involved. Yes, I live in NY but I'm not a NYer. I'm a hick from down south and I love my double barrel side by side.

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                                                    sandylc RE: Bkeats May 6, 2013 09:58 AM

                                                    And I love Steak Diane!

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                                                      PotatoHouse RE: sandylc May 6, 2013 03:36 PM

                                                      I could make a VERY crude joke about Steak Diane, but it would probably get me banned.

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                                                        mwhitmore RE: PotatoHouse May 6, 2013 06:43 PM

                                                        Oh, go ahead! If you can't say something nice, come sit by me.

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                                                          FriedClamFanatic RE: mwhitmore May 6, 2013 08:12 PM

                                                          Dorothy Parker!..........lol

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                                                            INDIANRIVERFL RE: FriedClamFanatic May 7, 2013 09:56 AM

                                                            How correct! And I would have sworn it was original to Alice Roosevelt.

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                                                  jmckee RE: Perilagu Khan May 6, 2013 09:33 AM

                                                  I'll see your $30/bottle and raise -- um, LOWER it to $15. Spending on wine can be really out of control for very, very small returns. More than almost any foodstuff, wine can be highjacked by "snob appeal".

                                                  My wife would concur with Caviar. I would Concur with foie gras.

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                                                  DeppityDawg RE: mwhitmore May 3, 2013 10:14 AM

                                                  Champagne, compared (price/quality ratio-wise) to many other sparkling wines.

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                                                    lagatta RE: DeppityDawg May 3, 2013 10:43 AM

                                                    Agreed, there are fine sparklers (I love a quality crémant d'Alsace) that cost half what a low-end champagne does, and are far more refined.

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                                                      Roland Parker RE: DeppityDawg May 4, 2013 04:09 AM

                                                      Bad champagne can be *really* bad, as anyone who's been drunk on bad champagne can attest. It's worth spending extra for better champagne.

                                                      But, yes, there are other sparkling white wines that are perfectly enjoyable at lower prices compared to champagne.

                                                    2. carolinadawg RE: mwhitmore May 3, 2013 10:15 AM

                                                      Cavier, imo.

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                                                        Isolda RE: carolinadawg May 4, 2013 06:40 AM

                                                        +1. Never got the appeal of salty fish eggs. Don't mind roe on my sushi, but I'm not going to pay for caviar.

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                                                          Crockett67 RE: carolinadawg May 4, 2013 07:31 AM

                                                          I was like that too until I tried the real stuff. Osetra caviar yes please. American paddle fish or anything under $70/oz... nah I'll pass.

                                                          I really hope the American caviar takes off because I would like to have it more than twice in my life.

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                                                            mwhitmore RE: Crockett67 May 4, 2013 09:16 AM

                                                            Hudson River caviar (yes, from sturgeon) used to be so cheap, they gave it away in saloons, like peanuts.

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                                                              Crockett67 RE: mwhitmore May 4, 2013 03:57 PM

                                                              Does it taste like the real thing? I will have to hunt this down.

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                                                                Bkeats RE: Crockett67 May 6, 2013 05:21 AM

                                                                Not remotely close to Osetra. Muddy like paddlefish.

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                                                                  mwhitmore RE: Crockett67 May 6, 2013 09:54 AM

                                                                  Hudson River sturgeon became extinct, so nobody alive has any idea what it tasted like. I seem to recall a rumor that they might be coming back as the Hudson has become less polluted.

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                                                                    Perilagu Khan RE: mwhitmore May 6, 2013 11:27 AM

                                                                    If they were truly extinct, how could they return?

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                                                                      c oliver RE: Perilagu Khan May 6, 2013 11:41 AM

                                                                      http://www.dec.ny.gov/lands/66626.html

                                                                      Seems that they were overfished and therefore banned but perhaps someday.

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                                                                        GH1618 RE: Perilagu Khan May 6, 2013 12:55 PM

                                                                        The Hudson River strain could have been extirpated from the river, but sturgeon could repopulate the river from nearby areas where they have survived. They would be the same species, just a different population group.

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                                                                          Chemicalkinetics RE: Perilagu Khan May 6, 2013 01:43 PM

                                                                          <If they were truly extinct, how could they return?>

                                                                          Well, you know evolution, don't you? Another species mutated and became the sturgeons. Thus, it is the second coming.

                                                                          (tongue firmly in place of the cheeks).

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                                                                            Perilagu Khan RE: Chemicalkinetics May 6, 2013 02:13 PM

                                                                            The second coming complementing evolution--and here I'd been led to believe scientific creationism is nonsense.

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                                                                              foiegras RE: Chemicalkinetics May 6, 2013 06:24 PM

                                                                              I am *not* worshiping a sturgeon.

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                                                                                Chemicalkinetics RE: foiegras May 6, 2013 06:28 PM

                                                                                How many times do the sturgeons have to die before you believe in them? How many?

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                                                                                  FriedClamFanatic RE: Chemicalkinetics May 6, 2013 08:13 PM

                                                                                  The answer, my friend, is blowing in the wind

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                                                                                    Chemicalkinetics RE: FriedClamFanatic May 6, 2013 09:32 PM

                                                                                    Yes, that starts to make a bit more sense now.

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                                                                                foiegras RE: Chemicalkinetics May 6, 2013 06:32 PM

                                                                                well he was wrong on 3 out of 4.

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                                                                                  Chemicalkinetics RE: foiegras May 6, 2013 06:36 PM

                                                                                  I think you are answering the wrong post.

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                                                                                mwhitmore RE: Perilagu Khan May 6, 2013 06:46 PM

                                                                                Good point. Restocked from outside sources? I'm just recalling hearsay, so I could have any part of it wrong, or my dimly recalled sources got it wrong. Now I am curious if Bkeats has found and tried some.

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                                                                                  c oliver RE: mwhitmore May 6, 2013 07:23 PM

                                                                                  From what I read and posted, it's that the 'population' got so diminished that they banned the fishing of them.

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                                                                                    mwhitmore RE: c oliver May 7, 2013 10:01 AM

                                                                                    I think you are right.

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                                                                        Pzz RE: carolinadawg May 5, 2013 11:13 PM

                                                                        +1 on the caviar. I've had the really good stuff & believe that if it was $4.95 a pound people would complain about having to eat it.

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                                                                          KaimukiMan RE: Pzz May 7, 2013 07:59 PM

                                                                          and one more. no fish berry jam for me either. but thanks for asking.

                                                                      3. Chemicalkinetics RE: mwhitmore May 3, 2013 10:25 AM

                                                                        Veal has always been something I don't really care for. In this sense, it is overrated for me. So are many other foods like filet mignon. I don't hate filet mignon, but it is just not what I like the most and therefore overrated in my eyes.

                                                                        I like sushi, but something I also feel they can be overrated too.

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                                                                          pinehurst RE: Chemicalkinetics May 3, 2013 11:05 AM

                                                                          Absolutely agree re. veal.

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                                                                            James Cristinian RE: pinehurst May 3, 2013 06:57 PM

                                                                            You good folks never had my mom's veal cutlets, which were nothing more than chicken fried veal. Yumm!

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                                                                              rasputina RE: James Cristinian May 4, 2013 07:36 AM

                                                                              German Bockwurst YUMMMMM, I almost lived on it when I was in Germany it was so good.

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                                                                            Steve RE: Chemicalkinetics May 4, 2013 07:32 AM

                                                                            Veal chop. Always expensive, always boring.

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                                                                              Midknight RE: Steve May 7, 2013 06:51 AM

                                                                              Agreed on the veal chop. Me and my wife were discussing this exactly a day or two ago. We both find veal chops to be dryer and blander (blandier?) than the same cut of "regular" beef.

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                                                                            HillJ RE: mwhitmore May 3, 2013 10:35 AM

                                                                            In the scheme of things (what we spend our money on) I don't think many "luxury" food exist anymore.

                                                                            What I just paid for a lobe of foie gras is less than I pay a month for my cell phone.

                                                                            Now, if the taste just doesn't wow you for the money, I get it. But if you're targeting foods specific to the idea of high cost/luxury it's all in how you value your hard earned dough.

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                                                                              MGZ RE: HillJ May 3, 2013 10:52 AM

                                                                              I never met a "luxury" food I didn't enjoy (unless my one aunt cooked it).

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                                                                                HillJ RE: MGZ May 3, 2013 10:55 AM

                                                                                Seriously some cigars cost more than these foods..

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                                                                                  lagatta RE: HillJ May 3, 2013 03:21 PM

                                                                                  I doubt I could smoke one even if you paid me a princely sum...

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                                                                                  KaimukiMan RE: MGZ May 7, 2013 08:05 PM

                                                                                  we all have one of those aunt's MGZ (or cousin or in-law). Able to make even the simplest of foods into a culinary disaster. I'm not going to claim that instant mashed potatoes are anyone's idea of a gourmet dish, but since the 80's at least they have been edible. I knew someone who could literally turn them to something you could plaster your wall with. You could feel it hardening in your mouth. Her secret recipe. No idea what she did with them. We used to joke that she cooked them with the plastic wrapper. I'm thinking it must have been some ersatz cheese product.

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                                                                                foiegras RE: mwhitmore May 3, 2013 10:55 AM

                                                                                For me, caviar ... you couldn't give it to me.

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                                                                                  prolix RE: foiegras May 3, 2013 11:00 AM

                                                                                  's'okay, you can just give it to me when they give it to you.

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                                                                                    tcamp RE: prolix May 3, 2013 12:06 PM

                                                                                    And if prolix is out of town, call me.

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                                                                                    lagatta RE: foiegras May 3, 2013 03:22 PM

                                                                                    You can give it to me, but I'd just as soon many smoked fishes.

                                                                                  3. tcamp RE: mwhitmore May 3, 2013 10:56 AM

                                                                                    Anything involving gold. Might as well just burn $100 bills.

                                                                                    http://www.pastrychef.com/EDIBLE-GOLD...

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                                                                                      Chemicalkinetics RE: tcamp May 3, 2013 10:58 AM

                                                                                      Probably worse than burning money.

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                                                                                        Chemicalkinetics RE: Chemicalkinetics May 3, 2013 11:06 AM

                                                                                        And of course, there are always things like Jam infused with Princess Diana's hair or Jam infused with sand from the Great Pyramids or many other other and others.

                                                                                        http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2010/07/05/...

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                                                                                          HillJ RE: Chemicalkinetics May 3, 2013 12:45 PM

                                                                                          I don't call those foods luxuries though. Foods created for the sole purpose of getting a rise out of you are a different category of foodstuff. More like, "I dare ya."

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                                                                                            Chemicalkinetics RE: HillJ May 3, 2013 01:01 PM

                                                                                            Good point about the luxury part.

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                                                                                        HillJ RE: tcamp May 3, 2013 11:02 AM

                                                                                        I've had peanut butter with edible gold in it, a fundraiser nabbed it as party favors; $100.00/jar. Made in CA. All I tasted was pb.

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                                                                                          EWSflash RE: HillJ May 4, 2013 09:54 PM

                                                                                          Wouldn't a gloriously clear jewel-toned jelly be a better vehicle for gold? Not that i'd spend the money to be able to sh!t gold, but it's be a much nicer presentation IMO

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                                                                                            HillJ RE: EWSflash May 5, 2013 05:13 AM

                                                                                            Jewelry is nice too :)

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                                                                                          JAB RE: tcamp May 3, 2013 11:06 AM

                                                                                          A pet peeve of mine.

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                                                                                            kengk RE: tcamp May 3, 2013 03:01 PM

                                                                                            Putting gold on food is asinine, imo.

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                                                                                              foiegras RE: kengk May 3, 2013 03:59 PM

                                                                                              It makes a beautiful decoration for cookies at Christmas time. I use gold powder to make edible 'paint,' not gold leaf.

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                                                                                              GH1618 RE: tcamp May 3, 2013 07:34 PM

                                                                                              We have a winner! But is it even food?

                                                                                              I hope you'll make an exception for Riga Gold sprats, which are quite affordable.

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                                                                                                lagatta RE: GH1618 May 4, 2013 04:39 AM

                                                                                                And Yukon Gold potatoes!

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                                                                                                  tcamp RE: lagatta May 6, 2013 07:18 AM

                                                                                                  Fools gold? j/k - I love those things.

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                                                                                                    lagatta RE: tcamp May 6, 2013 02:12 PM

                                                                                                    Hardly a luxury food; one of my favourite "normally-priced" potatoes. I make tortillas (I mean potato-based Spanish omelettes, not corn-based Mexican flatbread) with them, and they are good for potato salad too. I do like some fancier types of potatoes too, such as Rattes from the Jean-Talon Market, but even those won't really break the bank.

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                                                                                                      JeremyEG RE: lagatta May 6, 2013 07:36 PM

                                                                                                      Good point. In some food categories, the prices never get that high, even at the very high end. Potatoes definitely. The other day I found organic 'over-wintered' spinach at the greenmarket that tasted like spinach crossed with a sugary root vegetable. It was amazing and much of it was being bought up by the very high-end places here in NYC (Eleven Madison Park, Gramercy, Corton, etc.). The price per bunch? $3. More than the supermarket but not expensive enough to qualify as an expensive luxury in my book.
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                                                                                              jbsiegel RE: mwhitmore May 3, 2013 12:40 PM

                                                                                              Some of the really pricey chocolates are just not worth it to me. Bring me a box of Russell Stover any time! (Actually...make it See's and we have a deal!!)

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                                                                                                scarsdalesurprise RE: jbsiegel May 3, 2013 12:51 PM

                                                                                                Agreed - I am much happier with a RS molasses chew or a See's Scotchmallow than the high end chocolates I've tried.

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                                                                                                  MyYums RE: scarsdalesurprise May 3, 2013 04:24 PM

                                                                                                  Scotchmallow is the BEST!!!

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                                                                                                  lagatta RE: jbsiegel May 3, 2013 03:23 PM

                                                                                                  I disagree strongly there. I hate over-sweet anything, including chocolate. It has to be black and at least 85% chocolate.

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                                                                                                    MyYums RE: jbsiegel May 3, 2013 03:38 PM

                                                                                                    I don't care for Godiva Chocolate at all! I'd rather have a Hershey bar.
                                                                                                    But See's Candies?? yuummm

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                                                                                                      foiegras RE: MyYums May 3, 2013 04:00 PM

                                                                                                      Offload your Godiva here ... it's not my favorite, but I won't touch Hershey's unless true desperation strikes.

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                                                                                                        jbsiegel RE: foiegras May 3, 2013 05:20 PM

                                                                                                        I do like Hershey's WAY better than Nestle.

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                                                                                                          Perilagu Khan RE: foiegras May 4, 2013 08:23 AM

                                                                                                          Kinda hate to say it, but Godiva really is supreme, IMO.

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                                                                                                            foiegras RE: Perilagu Khan May 4, 2013 10:19 AM

                                                                                                            They had a limited edition truffle for awhile that I really liked ...

                                                                                                            Have you tried Dude, Sweet Chocolate?

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                                                                                                              Perilagu Khan RE: foiegras May 4, 2013 02:57 PM

                                                                                                              I have not. And it's been many a year since I've sampled Godiva. Used to buy the stuff for my mom on Mother's Day quite regularly.

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                                                                                                          kitchengardengal RE: MyYums May 4, 2013 03:56 AM

                                                                                                          I never saw the appeal of Godiva, either. Nor have I ever, ever been impressed with any other boutique fancy schmancy chocolates that I've tried. And I do keep trying, because some of them are so darn pretty!
                                                                                                          Give me Fanny Mae and I'm a happy girl. Especially a Pastel Toffee or a Trinidad.

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                                                                                                            jbsiegel RE: kitchengardengal May 4, 2013 10:23 AM

                                                                                                            There are a couple Godiva truffles I like, but I kind of view Godiva as the "faux-upscale-chocolate." Kind of the mall version of a really fancy-schmancy chocolate (Vosages, etc.) Now...I don't really like any of those other fancy ones either.

                                                                                                            Two more that I like a lot are Lake Champlain Chocolate and Choclatique.

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                                                                                                              sandylc RE: jbsiegel May 4, 2013 10:33 AM

                                                                                                              TJ's 85% is quite nice. Three small bars for $1.79.

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                                                                                                                LindaWhit RE: jbsiegel May 4, 2013 03:04 PM

                                                                                                                +1 on Lake Champlain Chocolate. And if I recall correctly, Valhrona supplies some of the Trader Joe's brands of chocolate. And Lindt is a good chocolate as well.

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                                                                                                                  Chemicalkinetics RE: LindaWhit May 4, 2013 03:06 PM

                                                                                                                  Thank god you kept your icon. So many people change their cool icons these days.

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                                                                                                                    LindaWhit RE: Chemicalkinetics May 4, 2013 03:22 PM

                                                                                                                    LOL! It's the only one I've had on CH (and I was one of those that protested the use of icons before they came about). I like it and can't be bothered to change it out. Other than the fact the avatar is way skinnier than me, it's what I do here on CH - I cook. :-) I'm the same on other blogs - I use Hobbes from the comic strip "Calvin & Hobbes" - haven't changed it out.

                                                                                                                    Your avatar makes me giggle when I see it.

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                                                                                                              Isolda RE: MyYums May 4, 2013 06:42 AM

                                                                                                              I like Godiva, but See's is just as good, IMO, and a lot cheaper.

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                                                                                                                Chemicalkinetics RE: Isolda May 4, 2013 10:51 AM

                                                                                                                I like See's but have not had them for age. In term of other chocolate, I like Lindt more than Godiva.

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                                                                                                                  kengk RE: Chemicalkinetics May 4, 2013 11:03 AM

                                                                                                                  I keep thinking that somebody, someday, will give me a piece of that gucci candy that I think tastes better than a Snickers bar.

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                                                                                                                    sandylc RE: kengk May 4, 2013 11:18 AM

                                                                                                                    Now, Snickers to me has little to no chocolate flavor at all, and is very waxy.

                                                                                                          2. foodieX2 RE: mwhitmore May 3, 2013 12:43 PM

                                                                                                            I don't think anything is "overrated" if you like it. There are certain foods that friends of mine have shipped to them for exorbitant amount of money. Perfect example is Katz pastrami. Now I like a good Katz pastrami sandwich and when I am in NYC I try to get over there and have one. If my husband isn't with me I'll bring pound home for him. But I am not having it shipped in at $24lb and another $30 to have it shipped. While its good pastrami it's not worth $54lb *to me*.

                                                                                                            However I have no qualms dropping the same money (and significantly more) on a single bottle of wine. My pastrami friend thinks that is not worth it.

                                                                                                            Maybe you mean the price when dining out? Because while veal is more expensive than crappy supermarket ground beef or no name chicken the price is really not that different when compared to a good cut of beef steak or local free range poultry. I can make veal parm or milanese for short money. But veal carries a pretty big ticket at restaurant, same as all the other foods you mentioned. Made at home, not really.

                                                                                                            If you are talking about dining out there are some more "expensive" dishes on a menu that aren't worth it to me because I can make it better at home. Steamed lobster cooked at home (with all the fixings) is easy and will cost me a fraction of the price to make it myself. Same with caviar (I have my grandmothers spoons) and prime rib.

                                                                                                            But I happily order (and pay the price) for foie gras!

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                                                                                                              jarona RE: mwhitmore May 3, 2013 12:49 PM

                                                                                                              This is a good question. In my opinion, I would tend to think that macaron are the most overrated "luxury" (sweet) food item. ...and the reason I say that is because these little cookies are so expensive at price per. Honest to god, I make them at home for a fraction of what they would cost at Lauderee.
                                                                                                              I also think Sea Urchin is an overrated luxury food..it's so subjective though.

                                                                                                              1. Monica RE: mwhitmore May 3, 2013 01:01 PM

                                                                                                                sea urchin and foie gras are two of my favorite foods in the World. That said, these things can be found cheaper in the different parts of the World but I don't mind paying premium price for these as i LOVE them.

                                                                                                                To me, caviar is pretty over priced for what it is..and most cheeses are overpriced in US compare to Europe. Everything French seems to be more expensive once it leaves France.
                                                                                                                Lobster makes me think of cockroaches from the sea..while I do enjoy the taste, I can't stop thinking about it.

                                                                                                                I can tell a big difference in taste when it comes to fine chocolate. I think for the money, you get the best tasting chocolate from Lindt.

                                                                                                                Kobe beef, while really delicious, it can be way too fatty for my taste so I find this a bit overrated.

                                                                                                                I do agree that macarons are overrated and overpriced but I can't stop eating them myself.

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                                                                                                                  lagatta RE: Monica May 3, 2013 03:25 PM

                                                                                                                  I agree with Lindt. Not a huge price tag, but they have the dark, bitter chocolate I like. I don't touch the sweet stuff. Take my espresso black, as well.

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                                                                                                                    rasputina RE: Monica May 4, 2013 07:40 AM

                                                                                                                    I've never thought of sea urchin as a luxury item, probably because I usually ate it in the water or on the boat when we picked them ourselves.

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                                                                                                                    John Francis RE: mwhitmore May 3, 2013 01:12 PM

                                                                                                                    Truffles, regardless of color. (The fungus, not the chocolate.)

                                                                                                                    1. MGZ RE: mwhitmore May 3, 2013 01:13 PM

                                                                                                                      Actually, I was mistaken earlier. I submit that the most overrated luxury item is premium vodkas. Especially, if you are going to mix 'em with anything else. See, e.g., http://abcnews.go.com/2020/Consumer/s...

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                                                                                                                        Perilagu Khan RE: MGZ May 3, 2013 02:19 PM

                                                                                                                        There's some truth there. Whenever I order a mixed drink--except in the case of martinis--I stipulate well liquor. The "premiumness" of high-end liquor is lost in all the other flavorings.

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                                                                                                                          On this I agree

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                                                                                                                            sisterfunkhaus RE: MGZ May 5, 2013 03:42 PM

                                                                                                                            Titos is good and fairly well priced.

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                                                                                                                              Perilagu Khan RE: sisterfunkhaus May 6, 2013 08:08 AM

                                                                                                                              Tito's is superb. Unfortunately, its price has skyrocketted, at least in my neck o' the woods.

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                                                                                                                              biondanonima RE: MGZ May 6, 2013 11:56 AM

                                                                                                                              Totally agree. Especially if you live near a Costco with a liquor store - their Grey Goose knockoff is less than half the price and you truly can't tell the difference. Their American vodka is even cheaper (I paid $12 for a 1.75 liter bottle!!!!!) and it's easily as good as any well brand.

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                                                                                                                                EM23 RE: biondanonima May 6, 2013 07:37 PM

                                                                                                                                Bio - you are in Queens, no? Where are you finding a Costco liquor store? I thought that there were none in NY.

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                                                                                                                                  loratliff RE: EM23 May 7, 2013 01:54 PM

                                                                                                                                  There's a Costco in Harlem. It's Wal-Mart that hasn't infiltrated NYC yet.

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                                                                                                                                    PotatoHouse RE: loratliff May 7, 2013 03:19 PM

                                                                                                                                    although, there is a Sam's Club in Brooklyn. I delivered there a few years ago.

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                                                                                                                              VenusCafe RE: mwhitmore May 3, 2013 01:13 PM

                                                                                                                              Please allow me to include saffron and truffles!
                                                                                                                              Neither my husband nor myself enjoy them at all.
                                                                                                                              I'm sure my inclusion of truffles will blow my chowhound rep!
                                                                                                                              I also join the anti-filet mignon crowd. I haven't eaten meat in 36 years, but when I did, filet mignon
                                                                                                                              was never a choice. Did not like the soft mushy.
                                                                                                                              Not many Chicago 'steak eaters' I knew enjoyed it.

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                                                                                                                                mwhitmore RE: VenusCafe May 3, 2013 03:16 PM

                                                                                                                                Not with me. I should have included saffron. Other than the color, I can't tell a dish with saffron from one without. Also agree about filet steak.

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                                                                                                                                  jw615 RE: mwhitmore May 3, 2013 07:20 PM

                                                                                                                                  I just want to say how glad I am to hear someone say this. I hear people go on all the time about how great saffron is.

                                                                                                                                  Last time (and the first time, as far as I know) I ate something with saffron in it I got to use an epi-pen and visit the hospital. Maybe I'm not missing out on anything.

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                                                                                                                                    biondanonima RE: mwhitmore May 6, 2013 11:56 AM

                                                                                                                                    Yeah, saffron doesn't really do it for me either. Just tastes sort of musty.

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                                                                                                                                    lagatta RE: VenusCafe May 3, 2013 03:28 PM

                                                                                                                                    I disagree there, too. I love saffron. But I can buy it for not too steep a price at supermarkets of relevant ethnicities, and a little goes a long way. Moroccan and Iranian friends have taught me to appreciate it.

                                                                                                                                    Somewhat "tougher" (more toothsome) cuts of beef that can still be grilled are usually much tastier than cuts like filet mignon.

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                                                                                                                                      ChervilGeorge RE: VenusCafe May 3, 2013 10:35 PM

                                                                                                                                      I'm right there with you on saffron and truffles. Saffron tastes of metal to me. I don't despise it but I will always appreciate the dish more if it's left out. I find it distracting.

                                                                                                                                      Truffles: I. Just. Don't. Get. I really want to I swear. Where I live they seem to put them on everything. Again, I don't hate them but never want them.

                                                                                                                                      Foie gras tastes like eating straight fat to me. Not gross but boring and lacking flavour, just like filet mignon. I'm in love with flap steak and it's wicked cheap.

                                                                                                                                      I do love, love, love great caviar. I doubt anyone really considers oysters in the luxury category but at sometimes $4 a pop it's borderline. I don't care. I want them all the time.

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                                                                                                                                        VenusCafe RE: ChervilGeorge May 4, 2013 01:30 PM

                                                                                                                                        Well, CG, you hit it. Bingo. Saffron has always seemed 'chemical tasting' to me. Metal?, ya!

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                                                                                                                                          pine time RE: VenusCafe May 6, 2013 12:00 PM

                                                                                                                                          Very interesting. Saffron, to me, just tastes like "more!" Have never heard it called metallic. Fascinating how things taste differently to different folks.

                                                                                                                                          I'd agree with foie gras and the detestable white truffle oil.

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                                                                                                                                            lagatta RE: pine time May 6, 2013 02:23 PM

                                                                                                                                            I guess saffron is one of those foodstuffs, like fresh coriander, that people simply have widely diverging, almost visceral reactions too.

                                                                                                                                            I don't hate foie gras, I simply don't see the point for the price, and I can get un-force-fed duck livers, which I prefer - more liver flavour - and are much cheaper.

                                                                                                                                            I've read that foie gras was a by-product of force-feeding geese and ducks - for their fat. It dates back to the Egyptians and spread round the Mediterranean. Many sources point to Jewish communities taking the practice farther north, to what is now Alsace, as of course Jews couldn't eat lard, nor eat butter with meat dishes, and olive oil was rare and expensive, probably used more for ritual purposes. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foie_gras

                                                                                                                                            I've never had white truffle oil; don't even remember having white truffles. I've had plenty of black ones as they are fairly common in Umbria and not an extreme luxury food there; more a somewhat pricy regional speciality to treat guests.

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                                                                                                                                              grampart RE: pine time May 6, 2013 02:47 PM

                                                                                                                                              Gordon Ramsay has referred to truffle oil as "a chef's dream,but has referred to white truffle oil as "one of the most pungent, ridiculous ingredients ever known to chef."

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                                                                                                                                          Isolda RE: VenusCafe May 4, 2013 06:46 AM

                                                                                                                                          Love saffron, even though it tastes like the water that comes out of a hot garden hose when you first turn it on. Or maybe that's why I like I it: it reminds me of summer.

                                                                                                                                          But truffles are another story. They ruin everything they touch. At one memorable meal, my son and I both ordered steak-frites, and the menu failed to warn us that the frites came with truffle oil drizzled all over them. Such a waste of good potatoes.

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                                                                                                                                            mwhitmore RE: Isolda May 6, 2013 06:50 PM

                                                                                                                                            Your description of the taste of saffron is one of the more interesting I have read---you are a good writer.

                                                                                                                                        3. PotatoHouse RE: mwhitmore May 3, 2013 01:14 PM

                                                                                                                                          My choice of overrated would be prime rib, but I think that comes from living in Reno NV for so many years where prime rib is as cheap as a good cheeseburger.

                                                                                                                                          1. boogiebaby RE: mwhitmore May 3, 2013 01:27 PM

                                                                                                                                            Caviar is one thing I've never cared for. I don't mind roe as a sushi roll accompaniment, but I don't under the whole mother-of-pearl spoon, tiny little scoops thing. People make such a big deal about fish eggs.

                                                                                                                                            Put me down for another Filet Mignon non-fan. I'll take a nice ribeye or even a strip steak instead.

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                                                                                                                                              Jeri L RE: boogiebaby May 3, 2013 05:31 PM

                                                                                                                                              I liked caviar better than I'd expected to, but I don't understand why sturgeon roe is worth $60 an ounce and flying fish roe is worth $4.

                                                                                                                                            2. Halcyonwing RE: mwhitmore May 3, 2013 03:26 PM

                                                                                                                                              Lobster in most restaurants. The best lobster I've had has been cooked fresh in the islands, still sweet from the sea.

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                                                                                                                                                MyYums RE: Halcyonwing May 3, 2013 03:44 PM

                                                                                                                                                Champagne & caviar... Let the Rich & Famous keep it! I just don't enjoy carbonated wine or fish eggs popping in my mouth. I'd rather have liverwurst on ritz crackers with an ice cold coca cola than champagne & caviar.

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                                                                                                                                                  lagatta RE: MyYums May 3, 2013 05:32 PM

                                                                                                                                                  I'll remain discreet about what I think of Coca-Cola, except perhaps as a cleaning product for brass. Good liverwurst is wonderful, but shouldn't it be on good German bread?

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                                                                                                                                                  jbsiegel RE: Halcyonwing May 3, 2013 05:22 PM

                                                                                                                                                  Oh yes...lobster in a restaurant is SO not worth it. To be honest, there are lots of things that fall into this category. I find most restaurant desserts to not be worth it either.

                                                                                                                                                  What is worth it - things I can't make "better" at home (great bread, a truly awesome piece of beef, etc.)

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                                                                                                                                                    mwhitmore RE: jbsiegel May 4, 2013 09:21 AM

                                                                                                                                                    Agree on resto desserts, also pastry shops. All looks, no deliciousness.

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                                                                                                                                                      foodieX2 RE: mwhitmore May 4, 2013 09:32 AM

                                                                                                                                                      Maybe is because I don't bake myself or the few pastries shop I have been to have been very good but the ones I have bought were amazing. There was a place around the corner from our apt in Florence that was to die for.

                                                                                                                                                      Recently my husband brought home a napoleon (sp) from the shop near his office that was sublime.

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                                                                                                                                                        bulavinaka RE: mwhitmore May 4, 2013 09:48 AM

                                                                                                                                                        Might be you don't like such things or don't have a sweet tooth, but I personally would find short changed in life without pastries and desserts - good ones that is. And good ones (or maybe I should say great) are not very common at all. IMHO, pastry chefs are far too underappreciated for their skills, ingenuity and creativity.

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                                                                                                                                                          sandylc RE: bulavinaka May 4, 2013 10:02 AM

                                                                                                                                                          Great breads and pastries are rare. That's why I feel fine eating a bit whenever I encounter them; it isn't very often!

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                                                                                                                                                          jbsiegel RE: mwhitmore May 4, 2013 10:24 AM

                                                                                                                                                          Lots of times I find bakery/pastry items to be dry.

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                                                                                                                                                            sandylc RE: jbsiegel May 4, 2013 10:32 AM

                                                                                                                                                            Hubby has a lot of foods he finds "dry". One of them, puzzlingly, is peanut butter.

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                                                                                                                                                              foiegras RE: sandylc May 4, 2013 10:38 AM

                                                                                                                                                              I totally get that ;) There's nothing that can make your mouth stick together like peanut butter (esp real peanut butter).

                                                                                                                                                              It's interesting that lots of people in this thread are saying that they can't taste things (actually, they're saying they have no taste/flavor, but I think they really mean that they can't taste them ;)

                                                                                                                                                              In my case, I will admit to probably never having had good caviar. But given my limited appreciation of the fruits of the sea, it may be that it would be wasted on me ...

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                                                                                                                                                            lagatta RE: mwhitmore May 4, 2013 04:34 PM

                                                                                                                                                            That is certainly not true of several pâtisseries here in Montréal.

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                                                                                                                                                              sisterfunkhaus RE: mwhitmore May 5, 2013 03:47 PM

                                                                                                                                                              I tend to agree with you about the desserts. Interestingly enough, the only dessert I like is at Chili's. It's molten lava cake. I'm not a big Chili's fan, but I live in the town where it originated and have been there since I was a kid. I can't resist the warm gooey cake with the ice cream on it. It's amazing.

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                                                                                                                                                                jbsiegel RE: sisterfunkhaus May 5, 2013 05:10 PM

                                                                                                                                                                Absolutely can't go wrong (in my world) with warm gooey and ice cream! :-)

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                                                                                                                                                            lagatta RE: Halcyonwing May 3, 2013 05:36 PM

                                                                                                                                                            Halcyonwing, I love what you wrote. And that applies to any islands (or rugged coastal area) where the lobster is caught.

                                                                                                                                                            I dislike elaborate preparations with fresh lobster or crab.

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                                                                                                                                                              HungWeiLo RE: Halcyonwing May 6, 2013 08:38 AM

                                                                                                                                                              Can lobster be even considered a luxury food anymore? The last several years have seen prices drop below $10/lb at supermarkets. At certain Chinese seafood restaurants, they'll serve it up all cooked and prepared sometimes for $8/lb. Even pedestrian tilapia costs more to procure sometimes.

                                                                                                                                                            2. mrsbuffer RE: mwhitmore May 3, 2013 05:41 PM

                                                                                                                                                              Caviar - never acquired a taste for it. I prefer Asti to Champagne, served Asti at our wedding.

                                                                                                                                                              Foie gras is just nasty. The texture is very off-putting. I'll take a ribeye over filet mignon.

                                                                                                                                                              Like lobster, though. Am I still chowish?

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                                                                                                                                                                sisterfunkhaus RE: mrsbuffer May 5, 2013 03:49 PM

                                                                                                                                                                Asti is pretty darn tasty.

                                                                                                                                                              2. nokitchen RE: mwhitmore May 3, 2013 05:47 PM

                                                                                                                                                                For me it's pine nuts. I didn't think of them as a luxury food until I went to buy some for a recipe. Mama mia, those things are spendy. Not only is there apparently not a way to extract them by machine, but they have to be picked one by one by virgin daughters of kings. And they're OK; they add something to a dish, but man!

                                                                                                                                                                I'm also on the fence about morel mushrooms. Now those, those are better than OK but again, I'd be happier if they weren't priced like they were only able to be found by unicorns by the light of a full moon in eclipse.

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                                                                                                                                                                  foiegras RE: nokitchen May 3, 2013 05:57 PM

                                                                                                                                                                  Or at least invite me to the unicorn hunt ...

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                                                                                                                                                                    I think all the unicorns were bought up by Hewlett Packard. They bleed them for printer ink.

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                                                                                                                                                                    HillJ RE: nokitchen May 3, 2013 06:18 PM

                                                                                                                                                                    Any chance we have the gigantic popularity of pesto to thank for the over demand of pine nuts. While it was always an exhaustive process to extract nuts from pine cones coupled with the harvest in China and Russia down (blame climate changes) these delights use to be ignored by most consumers. Prices literally went from $7.00 to $37.00 in a relatively short period of time. Its a bummer.

                                                                                                                                                                    Foraging for food is always going to be expensive. At least mushrooms are lightweights. At $25.00/lb you get quite a bounty.

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                                                                                                                                                                      lagatta RE: HillJ May 3, 2013 06:39 PM

                                                                                                                                                                      It isn't "authentic" or quite the same, but you can make a credible pesto with walnuts. People in the craggy hills of Liguria and Côte d'Azur used that kind of nuts as that is what they could forage.

                                                                                                                                                                      I'm sure other soft nuts might do the trick too.

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                                                                                                                                                                        HillJ RE: lagatta May 3, 2013 06:43 PM

                                                                                                                                                                        You're right you can sub for walnuts and others but it's not the same. I'd rather split the cost of a 3 lb. bag with a pal and use pine nuts so I can enjoy this:
                                                                                                                                                                        http://hattery.com/food-is-a-universa...

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                                                                                                                                                                          Perilagu Khan RE: lagatta May 4, 2013 03:03 PM

                                                                                                                                                                          I make a west Texas pesto with pecans. Mighty toothsome, too. That said, I still make traditional pesto sometimes as well.

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                                                                                                                                                                          LindaWhit RE: HillJ May 4, 2013 06:11 AM

                                                                                                                                                                          And those Chinese or Russian "pine nuts" are far inferior to those from the Mediterranean. I can no longer eat them unless I've purchased them myself and know their provenance - the inferior pine nuts give me "pine mouth". Blech.

                                                                                                                                                                          I have to agree with others who say caviar. Never had interest in it, although I've tried it. Didn't like it.

                                                                                                                                                                          The shaving of truffles over so many dishes isn't really my cuppa tea either.

                                                                                                                                                                          I don't cook lobster at home, but I *do* enjoy a good lobster roll at a lobster shack and am willing to pay the price once or twice a year during a New England summer.

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                                                                                                                                                                            HillJ RE: LindaWhit May 4, 2013 06:27 AM

                                                                                                                                                                            Would you consider 8 oz for $30. a luxury? http://www.nuts.com/nuts/pinenuts/med...

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                                                                                                                                                                              LindaWhit RE: HillJ May 4, 2013 07:05 AM

                                                                                                                                                                              Yup, I would. I spend money on good foods; but $30 plus shipping for 8 oz. is just too extreme for me. I might buy some once, just to savor the flavor. But I don't think it would be a regular purchase.

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                                                                                                                                                                                HillJ RE: LindaWhit May 4, 2013 07:12 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                That's why I enlist food partners to share luxury orders. I can buy the Mediterranean pine nuts while in NY.

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                                                                                                                                                                          c oliver RE: nokitchen May 4, 2013 12:49 PM

                                                                                                                                                                          Freshly picked morels, sautéed in butter, is a luxury that I love. Unfortunately when we moved away from So. Oregon we've not had them since :(

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                                                                                                                                                                          jaykayen RE: mwhitmore May 3, 2013 06:29 PM

                                                                                                                                                                          Brut champagne, I really don't enjoy it.

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                                                                                                                                                                            c oliver RE: jaykayen May 4, 2013 12:50 PM

                                                                                                                                                                            And I don't like extra dry. Which brings up why is it called extra dry when it's less dry than brut?

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                                                                                                                                                                            HillJ RE: mwhitmore May 3, 2013 07:04 PM

                                                                                                                                                                            Do you remember when beef wellington was considered a luxury food? Now that Chef Ramsay has made it the mainstay of Hell's Kitchen it's not only overrated, it's lost that lovin' feeling!

                                                                                                                                                                            http://www.journeymancook.com/recipes...

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                                                                                                                                                                              sandylc RE: mwhitmore May 3, 2013 07:30 PM

                                                                                                                                                                              Caviar, truffles (the fungus kind), and sushi.

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                                                                                                                                                                                fldhkybnva RE: sandylc May 3, 2013 11:31 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                I am with you on sushi. I love fish but I'd rather just buy a filet rather than spend a fortune on slivers of fish and rice.

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                                                                                                                                                                                  sisterfunkhaus RE: fldhkybnva May 5, 2013 03:54 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                  I think raw sushi is overrated. It's generally very bland and soft. I don't hate it, but I love a good creative cooked roll with things like tempura shrimp, avocado. coconut, and spicy mayo. Lots of crunch and texture.

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                                                                                                                                                                                    Whereas as we only like it raw, nigiri or sashimi. REALLY don't like those rolls :(

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                                                                                                                                                                                      jbsiegel RE: c oliver May 5, 2013 05:11 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                      I'm all about sashimi....completely plain!

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                                                                                                                                                                                        juliejulez RE: jbsiegel May 6, 2013 09:13 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                        You know, I like sashimi plain too, as long as it's from a good fish. I don't trust the middle of the road sushi places here in Colorado to get really good fish though.

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                                                                                                                                                                                          Veggo RE: juliejulez May 6, 2013 09:21 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                          I think Sushi Den and Sushi Tazu are very high quality.

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                                                                                                                                                                                            juliejulez RE: Veggo May 6, 2013 09:28 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                            I've never been to either of those.

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                                                                                                                                                                                              Veggo RE: juliejulez May 6, 2013 09:31 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                              They should be high on your list.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                juliejulez RE: Veggo May 6, 2013 11:23 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                Not sure why, since I stated above I'm generally not a sushi fan and am not really willing to pay for it...even if it's the "best sushi ever". Trust me, I won't like it. I've tried tons of sushi places in Chicago and I just.don't.like.it. I looked at Sushi Den's menu and I'd rather go elsewhere to get food I actually like. I like sashimi but I don't want to eat only that for an entire meal. It's a nice starter.

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                                                                                                                                                                                        Bkeats RE: c oliver May 6, 2013 05:34 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                        I'm with you. I want to taste the fish, not the sauces. With the amount of stuff that gets piled into some rolls, there could be old socks inside and you wouldn't know it.

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                                                                                                                                                                                          c oliver RE: Bkeats May 6, 2013 07:51 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                          I just wondered, do they eat those rolls in Japan? It seems like something developed for the non-Japanese market? And, honestly, I think they're just plain silly looking :)

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                                                                                                                                                                                            HungWeiLo RE: Bkeats May 6, 2013 08:42 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                            Rolls are certainly an inventive way of getting rid of older ingredients.

                                                                                                                                                                                            The worst offenders are spicy tuna rolls. There's a reason they have to add the spice for you beforehand.

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                                                                                                                                                                                            PotatoHouse RE: c oliver May 6, 2013 03:38 PM

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                                                                                                                                                                                        John Francis RE: sandylc May 4, 2013 02:18 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                        Sushi isn't expensive enough to be a "luxury food," not unless you go to Masa in New York where the prix fixe is $450 - more if you want something to drink, plus tax and tip. My neighborhood sushi place has a top price of $22 for a sushi dinner, including 5 pieces of assorted sushi, 9 pieces of sashimi, a dragon roll, plus soup or salad and tea. For me that's not spending a fortune for a restaurant meal.

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                                                                                                                                                                                          juliejulez RE: John Francis May 4, 2013 08:42 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                          Whenever my SO orders sushi, it's at least $40 worth, which he eats all in one sitting... and that's at a place he says it's reasonably priced. To me that's a luxury...and, I don't get it. Thankfully the sushi place he likes has a full japanese menu so I can get something else.

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                                                                                                                                                                                            fldhkybnva RE: juliejulez May 4, 2013 09:38 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                            This is my issue. To even be remotely full I have to order alot of sushi and so it adds up and is usually upwards of $50 and I'm still hungry. I still enjoy it, but tend to have it for lunch or a quick snack so I don't have to battle the cost/fullness issue.

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                                                                                                                                                                                              sisterfunkhaus RE: juliejulez May 5, 2013 03:56 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                              I am astounded at how much sushi I see people order. I can have a cup of miso soup and one roll and I am full.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                juliejulez RE: sisterfunkhaus May 5, 2013 05:24 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                Yeah he's also one of those awful people that can eat like 5000 calories in a day and not gain a pound.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                  fldhkybnva RE: sisterfunkhaus May 5, 2013 05:50 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                  Yea, that's a drop in the bucket so I gave up.

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                                                                                                                                                                                              bulavinaka RE: sandylc May 4, 2013 10:01 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                              I don't know if I'd personally rate sushi as overrated. So much goes into making a great sushi experience, and it ain't cheap to go from supermarket level sushi to a true omakase experience. I would say though, that the law of diminishing returns does apply. It's just a matter of whether or not the consumer wishes to pay so much more for a sublime experience.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                Monica RE: sandylc May 6, 2013 07:12 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                Sushi is not overrated. I am not talking about those sushi you get it from some Chinese owned places which you can get everywhere in US. Have you had a good piece of sushi in Japan? It will fall off your chair.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                FriedClamFanatic RE: mwhitmore May 3, 2013 07:34 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                Caviar....I worked for a wealthy family as a cook. These tins the size of a Skol can would be shipped in.....over $1000! No way that is so much better than the low end caviar or anything else.especially when their tastebuds had been dulled by 2-3 scotches.

                                                                                                                                                                                                If I made filets or tenderloins, I usually had a sauce for them because I find them bland by themselves.

                                                                                                                                                                                                And.....most of you may know that in the 1800's, the prisoners in Maine Jails rioted over being fed so much Lobster..seems nobody wanted it back then.

                                                                                                                                                                                                And even in my lifetime, Mussels used to cover every jetty on Cape Cod, Ma, USA. Now, you are lucky if you can find any ( but I do like them!)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                  lagatta RE: FriedClamFanatic May 4, 2013 04:43 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                  Yes, in the Gaspé (eastern Québec peninsula) and much of the Atlantic provinces, lobster was the food of the poor, and poor kids taking lobster sandwiches to work were jealous of those eating bologna...

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                                                                                                                                                                                                  truffles, I enjoy them, but honestly even if they were only moderately priced I wouldn't go out of my way for them.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                    Chatsworth RE: mwhitmore May 4, 2013 12:08 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                    Escargots? (Snails.)

                                                                                                                                                                                                    Is seems that, the reason people eat them is the garlic butter. Why not just get the garlic butter and some bread? It would be a whole lot cheaper. (And less cruel to living creatures who can't run away quickly enough to escape.)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                      latindancer RE: Chatsworth May 4, 2013 07:57 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                      Those living creatures love my garden and my garden comes first. I don't find anything cruel about their demise :).

                                                                                                                                                                                                      They're better off deliciously served as escargot.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                        Chatsworth RE: latindancer May 4, 2013 12:06 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                        Ah yes, but if you're "catching" the ones from your garden they're free and so not a luxury item. In fact, there's probably a net gain since they can no longer eat your lettuce. I am curious to know whether you eat slugs, which are pretty much snails without an attached house.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                          CalicoPaisley RE: Chatsworth May 4, 2013 10:12 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                          I've only ever had snails from canned. It wouldn't bother me to catch snails from the garden if I were, like, starving. I don't see them very often though, not enough to make a meal out of. I've had no qualms boiling my own lobster. Anyway, escargot are a lot like clams. But where clams taste 'briny', snails taste 'earthy' in a subtle way unlike anything else. It's not for everyone's palate and let's face it, it's peasant food at an overpriced French restaurant. But it is pretty darn tasty.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                        sisterfunkhaus RE: Chatsworth May 5, 2013 03:59 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                        I LOVE escargot cooked any way. I recently had it cooked with mushrooms in a tarragon cram sauce with toast points to dip in the sauce. Wow. Just wow.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                          grampart RE: sisterfunkhaus May 6, 2013 05:44 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                          They make a great stuffed mushroom.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                          Bkeats RE: Chatsworth May 6, 2013 05:39 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                          Escargot luxury food? Aren't they dirt (pun) cheap? Shows up on the menu of every pseudo-bistro around as an app for about $9. Doesn't seem like a luxury. You can buy cans of them in Stop and Shop for $3.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                            Chatsworth RE: Bkeats May 6, 2013 10:17 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                            I'm probably just showing my age because when I was (a lot) younger, they were considered a luxury item. The thought of them being available in a can is making me end this post so I can run for the toi...

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                                                                                                                                                                                                              c oliver RE: Chatsworth May 6, 2013 10:44 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                              TMI. I would say if you've had escargots in a restaurant in the last 40 or more years, they came from a can. I've bought them that way and they're great.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                lagatta RE: c oliver May 6, 2013 02:29 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                I've bought them in tins in the 1970s. In some parts of Italy they are a fairly common pizza topping (certainly tinned).

                                                                                                                                                                                                        3. grampart RE: mwhitmore May 4, 2013 05:18 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                          Jamaica Blue Mountain Coffee

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                                                                                                                                                                                                            Pzz RE: grampart May 5, 2013 11:32 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                            Thank you. I somehow doubt that JBM coffee would prevail in a blind taste test against any number of better Central American coffees.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                              tcamp RE: grampart May 6, 2013 07:31 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                              Not to mention any coffee that has passed through the digestive track of a feline.

                                                                                                                                                                                                              Oops, see someone beat me to this below.

                                                                                                                                                                                                            2. rcbaughn RE: mwhitmore May 4, 2013 05:58 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                              Truffle Oils. It's just companies serving up the masses with a oil that tastes like a leaking gas tank, but telling you your getting a "truffle aroma" for 1/20 the price. No thank you.

                                                                                                                                                                                                              That said, filet mignon is way overrated. No flavor, just tender. I'll take a cowboy ribeye any day.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                INDIANRIVERFL RE: mwhitmore May 4, 2013 07:32 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                Organic. Not worth the price differential. Suspect interpretations and verifications. Cooks and tastes the same.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                Not to be confused with heirloom or free range. Which are not necessarily organic.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                  jpc8015 RE: INDIANRIVERFL May 4, 2013 08:01 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I could not possibly agree with this more.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  During the summer months I buy a lot of produce at the farmers market in Salem, Oregon. I don't think any of the vendors there are certified organic but I don't care. Their produce is local, fresh, and good.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                    sandylc RE: INDIANRIVERFL May 4, 2013 08:48 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    SOME organic producer indeed tastes different/better. Apples are one. The peel of conventional apples tastes like nail polish remover smells to me.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Chemicalkinetics RE: INDIANRIVERFL May 4, 2013 10:52 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      My understanding is that organic foods are not about taste (maybe just a bit), but more about health benefits. So it is not surprising that organic foods do not taste better/worse than other foods.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                        sandylc RE: Chemicalkinetics May 4, 2013 11:19 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Yes, it is more about health and environment than taste. But SOME foods DO taste better, as well.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                          CalicoPaisley RE: sandylc May 4, 2013 10:09 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Yes, the reduced effect on the environment is the biggest benefit to buying organic IMHO. Unfortunately I do not have the money to buy it most of the time, either.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                      latindancer RE: mwhitmore May 4, 2013 07:53 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Civet Coffee.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Not my favorite.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                        grampart RE: latindancer May 4, 2013 08:05 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Probably the elephant version too, no?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                         
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                          bulavinaka RE: grampart May 4, 2013 09:42 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I just spit up my joe - I'll never view coffee the same again...o_O

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                            latindancer RE: grampart May 4, 2013 11:06 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I haven't tasted that version :). Great picture.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I have with a few others and they just weren't all that good...actually some of them were downright bad.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                          bulavinaka RE: mwhitmore May 4, 2013 09:42 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Shark fin.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                            graydyn RE: bulavinaka May 7, 2013 01:00 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            A big second for shark fin. Not just expensive and tasteless, but cruel to boot.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I'll throw in bird's nest too. Once again, the stuff has no flavor. And it's one of the most expensive ingredients in the world.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                            fara RE: mwhitmore May 4, 2013 10:02 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            For me it's very expensive coffee, salt, most expensive beer, jams as others have mentioned that contain strange things, crackers, expensive pasta, expensive olive oil used in cooking at least, expensive butter, aged beef, small cooking birds...what is there to eat? fresh vs frozen berries out of season, and pinenuts when they are usually expensive, imported from China, and walnuts other nuts go just as well in pesto. to give you an idea of what I mean by expensive brands, we tend to buy one step above regular supermarket but I feel I have found, for the things that matter, the most economical but tasty brand:
                                                                                                                                                                                                                            goya coffee (for our stovetop demitasse-about $8/lb)
                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Celtic sea salt
                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Heineken is sold by the case at our TJ's (I do appreciate a good Chimay occasionally but not going to buy it for home)
                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Anything a little better than a saltine is fine with me- I am horrified at the upsells in the cheese isle of dry pathetic artisanal crackers.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                            DeCecco pasta- anything else is really a waste of money to me.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                            TJ's Spanish olive oil works well for cooking
                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Organic Valley unsalted eruopean style butter. It has a high fat content but is cheaper than imported brands. it's the best i've found.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Perilagu Khan RE: fara May 4, 2013 03:12 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Sounds like you've worked out a good system.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                sisterfunkhaus RE: fara May 5, 2013 04:03 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                The fancy butter really gets me. I've tried many, many kinds and we always just go "eh." I always try it on toast first and never enjoy it more than organic salted butter that is the house brand of my local gourmet market.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  fldhkybnva RE: sisterfunkhaus May 5, 2013 04:19 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I'm not really a butter freak as I know a lot of people love it but I do have a few that I prefer to use including Kerrygold and President. I guess I notice some difference, they are readily available and since I don't go through them very quickly not too expensive. However, in many taste tests I've read that Land O'Lakes take the prize :)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I haven't bought salted butter in so many years, I have no idea what it tastes like :)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      montrealeater RE: sisterfunkhaus May 5, 2013 10:00 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      That's interesting, butter is one of the very few things I am very picky about. Most of them are in the dairy category, actually. Best tasting butter I ever had was in Germany and I am fairly sure it was a brand named Allgau. Also bought some of the pricey imported French butters. Echire was better than supermarket butter but not worth the price and not better than the Allgau. Great butter has a very faint sweetness to it (to my tastebuds) and it tastes buttery/creamy, not fatty. I'm so jealous of Americans being able to buy Kerrygold at the supermarket. I am considering starting up a small dairy-smuggling business from northern Vermont into Canada.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        fldhkybnva RE: montrealeater May 6, 2013 09:55 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Kerrygold is indeed a wonderful butter has that sweetness you mentioned and lovely grassy notes. I do know many that do not like it because it does have a unique taste from the use of grass-fed cows.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          montrealeater RE: fldhkybnva May 6, 2013 11:58 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I am undecided on beef from grassfed vs grainfed cows (and sadly suspect I may prefer the latter) but as for dairy grassfed is, imo, incomparable. The Allgau is grassfed, too. I find it hard to believe that people could not like grassfed butter. (although I do believe it)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      juliejulez RE: fara May 5, 2013 05:25 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I'm with you on the beer... I live in Colorado so everyone here is ALL about the fancy beer. Give me a PBR or a Coors Light and I'm happy. The fanciest I get is Leinenkugel's Summer Shandy (in summer only) or Goose Island's 312, which is just a slightly nicer version of Coors Light haha.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        jbsiegel RE: juliejulez May 5, 2013 05:38 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I like the fancy beers - have to confess on that one!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          lagatta RE: juliejulez May 5, 2013 06:31 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I don't like silly posh things, but Coors Light is one of the worst beers on earth.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            juliejulez RE: lagatta May 5, 2013 09:26 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            To you. I think it's fine.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              c oliver RE: juliejulez May 6, 2013 07:52 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              One of my SIL's who enjoy "finer" beers drinks Coor Light as kinda his everyday choice.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Perilagu Khan RE: juliejulez May 6, 2013 08:12 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I like "fancy" beers, but not American hipster beers. Give me a nice Belhaven or Bohemia and I'm a very happy man. That said, my regular brand is Lone Star Light and I'm content with it.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        2. PotatoHouse RE: mwhitmore May 4, 2013 10:44 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I think I have figured out the ultimate answer to this OP.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          That coffee from Indonesia (or something like that) that the monkeys eat the beans and then people pick the coffee beans out of the monkey poop and grind it and make coffee!!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Yeah, that has to be the right answer, monkey poop coffee.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            grampart RE: PotatoHouse May 4, 2013 10:48 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Yeah, but you can't make a good cup of crappuccino without it!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              foiegras RE: grampart May 4, 2013 10:54 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              OMG, wish you could hear me laughing right now ...

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Perilagu Khan RE: grampart May 4, 2013 03:14 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Crappuccino's not worth a shit unless served in a dungitasse.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Chemicalkinetics RE: Perilagu Khan May 4, 2013 03:35 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  It took me awhile to figure what Crappuccino is. You mean the Starbuck Frappuccino which the "F" looks awfully like "C"?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  http://s3images.coroflot.com/user_fil...

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Perilagu Khan RE: Chemicalkinetics May 4, 2013 03:38 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I imagine that would suffice.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Chemicalkinetics RE: Perilagu Khan May 4, 2013 03:40 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Ok, I know there is another meaning too, but I wonder if this came above because it is a "Self inflicted" wound on Starbuck's part.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Anyway, I will see you later, my Great Khan.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Perilagu Khan RE: Chemicalkinetics May 4, 2013 03:43 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Buona serra, mi amico.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Chemicalkinetics RE: PotatoHouse May 4, 2013 11:05 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                While I have no interest in the coffee which you mentioned, I cannot say it is overrated -- since I have never tried it and probably will never try it.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                By the way, there is the Indian Rhesus monkeys chewed on coffee beans. Chewed on and spat out (not going thorough the digested system).

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                And there is the Kopi Luwak coffee which is digested coffee by Asian Palm Civet (not a monkey).

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kopi_Luwak

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  latindancer RE: PotatoHouse May 4, 2013 11:44 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  There're different variations of Civet Coffee. I've had many of them and each has their own distinctive taste according to the animal being used.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  However, for around $30 a cup & I've spent more, many of them (for my palate when it comes to my taste in coffee) have proven to be an 'emperor new clothes' phenomena.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  It's been fun trying them though.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    linguafood RE: latindancer May 4, 2013 12:00 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    $30 for a cuppa? That's the epitome of overrated luxury food.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      grampart RE: linguafood May 4, 2013 12:21 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      $30 for a cup of Joe! That's just ridiculous.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        MGZ RE: grampart May 4, 2013 12:33 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Thirty bucks for a cup of booze, however, I could probably justify . . . dependin' upon the kinda day I'm havin'.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Chemicalkinetics RE: MGZ May 4, 2013 01:42 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Com'on people. Starbuck coffee is about what? $5 a cup?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          A special drink only 6 times the regular price does not seem too outrageous. No more crazier than $100 burgers. or $100 ramen.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          http://most-expensive.net/burgers-world

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            grampart RE: Chemicalkinetics May 4, 2013 01:44 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Tongue firmly planted in cheek, I presume.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Chemicalkinetics RE: grampart May 4, 2013 01:52 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              No. I am serious. I am not advocating $30 for a cup of coffee. I do think it is very expensive, but considering all the other crazy things, it is LESS crazy I think.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                grampart RE: Chemicalkinetics May 4, 2013 01:55 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Less crazy is still crazy. I'll pass on all of that crap.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Chemicalkinetics RE: grampart May 4, 2013 01:59 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Don't know. I am not a coffee drinker. I will let you guys judge.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  In a world full of crazy people, the lesser crazy people are sane. :)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Here are some jams for you all:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2010/07/05/...

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  foodieX2 RE: Chemicalkinetics May 4, 2013 02:01 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Some people will pay that for glass of wine, port, scotch and other spirits. It's all about what a "luxury" to you.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Depending on one's income level paying $30 bucks for a glass/cup of whatever may actually be less of an "investment" then the person paying $6 bucks for Starbucks or $2 bucks for DD. It is all relative.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Chemicalkinetics RE: foodieX2 May 4, 2013 02:06 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Certainly $30 coffee should be treated as a regular thing. Assuming it is good (if it is), then it is a "once a lifetime" experience. (Ok, maybe not once-once)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I remember reading about tea as well. There are cheap tea, and there are some really expensive tea leaf.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    "This is one of the most expensive teas in the world. One kilo of Da Hong Pao could fetch two million dollars."

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    http://www.nhpr.org/post/tasting-chin...

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      linguafood RE: foodieX2 May 4, 2013 02:20 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Granted. For someone like Paris Hilton, that's just loose change.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I would gather most of us are not in that income level, but I might be wrong.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        foodieX2 RE: linguafood May 4, 2013 02:33 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Agree but there is a middle ground. I am finally at a point in life where I don't have sweat the average cost of a "good" glass of wine, the cost of fun cocktail or opting for dinner out instead of cooking.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        While I still am frugal a nice bottle of Cakebread is no longer a special occasion type of wine. It actually costs me less, as a % of income/budget, than a bottle of Simi did years ago. Do I drink it every night with dinner? No but I now have it more than once a year on my b-day and don't think twic about it. I would think to some the same holds true to the person who choose to spend $30 on a glass of anything.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        And the bottom line is I don't begrudge anyone their indulgences. Having Katz shipped in from NYC seems foolish to me and complete waste of money but it's not my thing. It's my friends. If that how they chooses to spend their money and it is what makes them happy-go for it.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Chemicalkinetics RE: foodieX2 May 4, 2013 02:38 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Like I said earlier, I am not advocating $30 cup of coffee. I personally won't drink it because I am not well-verse in coffee. It will be a waste on me even if it is very good -- because I won't able to tell.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Everyone need to make that decision. It is expensive, but the price jump is no more than other things I have seen, like the really expensive meal in one of those 5 stars restaurant (Why $200+ per person) or expensive Scotch (why some Scotchs are $20 a bottle while some are $300) or really expensive tea ($2 millions for 1 kg)...etc..etc.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            c oliver RE: foodieX2 May 4, 2013 02:40 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Perfectly said.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              linguafood RE: foodieX2 May 4, 2013 02:54 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Oh, absolutely. How each of us spends their disposable income is about as personal and subjective as it gets.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              My mother owns about 7 different pairs of glasses, each easily around 300 Euro. I cannot fathom spending that much on glasses.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              My sister and her hubster spent an (insane, to *me*) amount of money on their coffeemaker.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I spend generous amounts of money on food, booze and party accessories. My family thinks I'm crazy :-)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Chemicalkinetics RE: foodieX2 May 4, 2013 02:30 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            foodieX2,

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Here for entertainment:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FA621_...

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              foodieX2 RE: Chemicalkinetics May 4, 2013 02:39 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              CK- I am LMAO!! So what they say about her is really true, eh? I need to start watching TMZ.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Chemicalkinetics RE: foodieX2 May 4, 2013 02:42 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                :) You should watch the whole video (from the start, not just the segment I forward) if you have not. It is pretty funny.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  foodieX2 RE: Chemicalkinetics May 4, 2013 03:10 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I did! Priceless! And I will never get back the time I spent watching the others that were listed on the side!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              c oliver RE: foodieX2 May 4, 2013 02:33 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              My brother has five or six Starbucks-equivalents a day. I'd rather that one $30 cup. Not that that appeals to me; just sayin'.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                foodieX2 RE: c oliver May 4, 2013 03:07 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Really good point. Why is ok to spend $2-5 every day but not OK to spend $30 every once in a while?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Perilagu Khan RE: foodieX2 May 4, 2013 03:18 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                True. But I think the working assumption of this thread is that the people in question are basically middle class. Obviously, if you're Carlos Slim, nothing is luxus.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            linguafood RE: Chemicalkinetics May 4, 2013 02:19 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I don't drink Starbucks. Not because it's overpriced, but because it's over-roasted and tastes like ass.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Perilagu Khan RE: linguafood May 4, 2013 03:21 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              So does Grampart's crappuccino.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                latindancer RE: linguafood May 4, 2013 03:41 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                <tastes like ass>

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                As does most of the Civet Coffee I've consumed.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Cost aside...if I don't like the taste of something I'm not prone to repeating it. If I loved it and dreamed about the taste I'd pay the money, without questioning it.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                In my case, I love the taste of coffee. I've paid ridiculous price per pound for esoteric coffees from all parts of the world.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                There are people who love Civet Coffees. I'm not one of them and I'm not going to spend stupid prices for food or drink if I just don't like it regardless if I can throw the money away or not.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Pzz RE: linguafood May 5, 2013 11:42 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  And roasted way darker than necessary to hide the ass flavor. That's Charbucks.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          JeremyEG RE: latindancer May 4, 2013 03:58 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I'm amazed at how many 'frugal' friends and family members of mine use those single serve coffee makers with the premeasured pods of coffee. I think the NYTimes estimated that that coffee ends up costing around $50/lb. It may be well worth it for some people but my guess is that most of them would think spending $15-$20 a pound on very good coffee from a reputable roaster would be a waste of money.
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            LindaWhit RE: JeremyEG May 4, 2013 04:11 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Don't get me started on the cost of the Keurig pods. We recently had to get a Keurig at work because the CEO kept on walking up to an empty coffeepot (someone would take the last cup and *not* make another pot, citing "I'm late for a meeting!)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            So far, for about 10 people who drink coffee in the office, we've gone through about $500 of coffee pods this year alone, when the previous big container of ground Folger's that would make over 200 cups of coffee was about $15.99, and we would have only gone through two of them. :-/

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              linguafood RE: LindaWhit May 5, 2013 11:00 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Folger's is pretty awful, tho.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                lagatta RE: linguafood May 5, 2013 11:05 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Yes, it is ghastly. There are many affordable coffees that are far less nauseating when taken black.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                grampart RE: LindaWhit May 5, 2013 11:10 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Two big containers of ground Folger's coffee that would last a year. Fresh tasting isn't a big deal with you and your fellow workers, huh?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  LindaWhit RE: grampart May 5, 2013 02:26 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  No, grampart, two large containers of ground Folgers would have been enough until May, not the entire year. "This year alone" means from January to now.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  And I don't drink coffee at work. I just buy it for them. I grind my own beans at home and have 2 cups there, and that's it for me for the day. These, however, are NOT people who roast their own green beans and then grind the beans at home, as so many people here seem to do. Nor do any of them have $600-$1000 coffee machines at home. So why would they do so at work?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I gave them the choices of what was available at the big-box store; they said what was fine for them, and they were fine with the Folgers, surprisingly. They preferred it over Maxwell House, but preferred Charbucks ground coffee when I could get it. Which, to me, is even ghastlier. But any of the pre-ground coffees are going to be a good bit less fresh than grinding your own, including those in the expensive Keurig pods - which was the purpose of my reply to Jeremy - the expense (as well as the non-recyclability of the pods).

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Chemicalkinetics RE: JeremyEG May 4, 2013 04:19 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                It is all about convenience. The single pod coffee market is actually growing - fast.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  latindancer RE: JeremyEG May 4, 2013 05:01 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I know very little, actually nothing, about those coffee makers you're referring to.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I was @ a really lovely dinner party a few months ago. I was asked if I'd like an espresso after dinner. Yes! I was given a vintage demitasse with 'espresso'. She took me into the kitchen to show me her new toy 'single serve coffee maker' I found the whole thing strange. She had a cupboard full of them in every flavor known to mankind. The espresso was just okay, in my opinion, with no crema and the color was 'off'...it was anything but smooth and enjoyable. It certainly wasn't honoring that beautiful vintage demitasse.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I'm a huge traditionalist when it comes to my coffee. When a friend came back from Turkey 40 years ago with a Cezve for me along with a pound of some of the best Turkish coffee I've ever tasted, it began a journey I've never let go of. I'll pay whatever I have to in order to get the best roasted bean along with the very best and appropriate appliances to brew it.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I don't understand why people use those pods, but that's just me. It takes a little more to find the bean, come home and grind it and brew it. To me, if just makes more sense price wise, in the long run, and certainly taste wise...

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    grampart RE: latindancer May 4, 2013 05:05 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    "I'll pay whatever I have to in order to get the best roasted bean along with the very best and appropriate appliances to brew it."

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    It must be nice....

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      lagatta RE: latindancer May 4, 2013 05:24 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Yes, I'm horrified by those things. Fortunately nobody I know has one; they have either little home espresso machines, mochas (espresso pots that go on the stove burner), French presses (Bodums?) or filter coffee makers. And a few also have Cezves.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      They cause environmental pollution as well.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I buy a locally-roasted, fairtrade organic coffee, espresso grind, dark brown roast (like a Northern Italian or Viennese roast, not the super dark). It really isn't very expensive per cup. I want decent coffee because I drink it black.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        JeremyEG RE: lagatta May 4, 2013 09:26 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        It can be affordable and pretty easy to have very good quality coffee at home. It sounds like you drink well!
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        JeremyEG RE: latindancer May 4, 2013 09:25 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Yes, the espresso you had was from one of the machines I'm referring to. It's not my place to tell anyone how they should spend their money but I do find that many, many people who use these machines really do not see the expense as a luxury. I've spent significant amounts on special wines or truffle dishes for a special occasion but I'm well aware that they are luxury purchases. i think most people spending the hundreds and sometimes thousands on the mediocre coffee from these makers believe they are not doing anything extravagant and would probably think your coffee purchases are silly. I could be wrong but the people I know who use these machines would think I got ripped off when I spent $17 last week on a bag of Guatemalan even though I spend far less per serving than they do.
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        juliejulez RE: JeremyEG May 5, 2013 03:21 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        The #1 advantage of my SO traveling during the week.... I don't have to buy very many K-cups anymore (he doesn't like using the reusable cup). I don't drink coffee/tea/hot chocolate but the cups are part of the grocery bill, which I pay. When he's home during the week I spend about $30-40/mo just on those stupid kcups.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I have nobody to blame but myself... I brought the machine into the relationship. I won it in a giveaway. Before it entered the relationship, he was just fine with Folgers and Mr. Coffee. But now he's had something better he won't go back.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          lagatta RE: juliejulez May 5, 2013 06:34 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Grocery bill or not, he should pay for that. Idem if one partner drinks wine or beer and the other, no.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I say that as someone on the caffeine and wino side of the issue.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            juliejulez RE: lagatta May 5, 2013 09:27 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Well without getting into specifics... the split of our household expenses is very very uneven, in my favor, so I have no issue paying for his coffee, even if I think it's silly.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  2. ipsedixit RE: mwhitmore May 4, 2013 07:00 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Anything labeled "organic"

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. MGZ RE: mwhitmore May 5, 2013 07:57 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Now, I don't always have the money necessary to get what I want from these guys all the time (you'll see the pricing). Nevertheless, this is luxury sh*t if ever there was any. I'm curious what others think about the "treats" available. I assure you, they provide "good eats". Maybe someone will find a splurge? If you wanna send me some live crawfish, or a tin of osetra, as a finder's fee, you're welcome to do so . . . .

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      http://www.farm-2-market.com/fish-sea...

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        seamunky RE: MGZ May 7, 2013 10:20 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        is it luxury or just over-priced? it's farmed seafood. or am I missing the sarcasm?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          MGZ RE: seamunky May 7, 2013 10:28 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          "[I]s it luxury or just over-priced?"

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I'm not sure - kinda seems like a thin line between the two, no? Over a hundred bucks for four pounds'a wild, head on, white shrimp seems luxurious to me.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            c oliver RE: MGZ May 7, 2013 11:59 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            We have an elderly friend who, once her husband passed away, was blowing through money like we couldn't believe. I tried to describe her financial ability as she could have anything she wanted but not everything she wanted. Most of us have to make choices. There are things I won't buy that I'd enjoy and that makes room for the things I really, really want. PS: She fired us as her trustees and is continuing to squander her money :(

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              MGZ RE: c oliver May 7, 2013 12:05 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I'm in complete accord. I quit a quarter-a-million dollar a year job over a decade ago. My life has been peppered with time when I had more money than I had time to enjoy it and others when I had more time than money to appreciate it. Grass is always greener, no?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                grampart RE: MGZ May 7, 2013 12:10 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Grass gets you through times with no money better than money gets through times with no grass.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  MGZ RE: grampart May 7, 2013 12:11 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Agreed.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    jrvedivici RE: MGZ May 7, 2013 12:37 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I can afford 3 fingers worth now! (Of course I'm no longer a Middlesex County boy either......in the words of the immortal George Jefferson.....I'm moving on up!!)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      MGZ RE: jrvedivici May 7, 2013 12:52 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Well played, old man, well played.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        montrealeater RE: mwhitmore May 5, 2013 01:32 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I want to know if those fruits (often singles or a pair) for sale in Tokyo for over $100 are worth it. Are they THAT delicious? I'd love more info about that phenomenon in general, actually.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          bulavinaka RE: montrealeater May 5, 2013 02:42 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          The musk melons and grapes are superior. As to whether they're worth it?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            montrealeater RE: bulavinaka May 5, 2013 09:55 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Yeah I guess the 'worth it' thing is a personal call but you say they ARE very good? I have always wanted to try some of that fruit. Does it even exist in north america? Or, do we charge less for it? Or what? I want the Japanese $100 fruit thing explained to me damnit. I will ask Google later. :)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              bulavinaka RE: montrealeater May 5, 2013 10:43 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              These fruits are grown and handled with extreme care - I'm guessing there is no equal here in the States. The packaging is also specifically for formal gift giving. The melons have stamps indicating the optimal day of ripeness/day to eat it. No guesswork or tactile soothsaying involved. I'm sure lots of money is being made, but the quality in every respect is so apparent.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Monica RE: montrealeater May 6, 2013 07:17 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                No, those melons are not worth $100 a pop. It's about the perfection and care that went into create that perfectly shaped melon. It's usually a gift for someone important you want to impress like your boss. It's like buying a prada bag over a nine west bag.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  montrealeater RE: Monica May 6, 2013 11:56 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Thanks to you both for the explanations. I am disappoint because I wanted the answer to be "yes, those melons are worth $100 because they taste THAT good - I would pay $500 for them!" - I wanted there to be fruit this delicious for me to aspire to tasting. It's still cool tho. I wonder if there are specialty farms?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            mwhitmore RE: mwhitmore May 5, 2013 07:56 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Many good answers here. One more I forgot that nobody has mentioned: Smoked Salmon. Just to make clear, it's not that I hate this stuff, but no big deal and unwilling to pay a big premium. If someone wants to feed me, great!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              c oliver RE: mwhitmore May 5, 2013 08:00 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              The thing that this thread brought to my mind is the trash/treasure thing. What I love and will be willing to pay for can be totally different from what some else love and will be willing to pay for. Life's good.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                bulavinaka RE: c oliver May 5, 2013 08:39 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Ain't it? We are so blessed...

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Pzz RE: mwhitmore May 5, 2013 11:48 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Yeah, lox is yet another thing that seemed like a good idea when it was $12 a pound. Barely worth it now.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  latindancer RE: Pzz May 6, 2013 08:04 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  It definitely depends on the lox and there are many types.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Some of the best out there certainly *is* worth it.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Perilagu Khan RE: mwhitmore May 6, 2013 08:15 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I'll splurge on top-flight smoked salmon occasionally.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    c oliver RE: Perilagu Khan May 6, 2013 08:21 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    And when I do I'm not buying a pound so the $ amount isn't the price/#.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    ukjason RE: mwhitmore May 6, 2013 01:40 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Here in B.C Canada they sell smoked salmon in such Elaborate packaging to Tourist it's a joke. I bet the packaging cost 10 x the salmon.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  3. c oliver RE: mwhitmore May 6, 2013 08:24 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    " If this stuff were dirt cheap, I wouldn't bother to make a sandwich out of it."

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Comments like this make me wonder if you've tried, say, foie gras (and I mean the "good stuff") and decided that or do you just think it's overrated? I've certainly tried things and thought they weren't pleasing enough to me to justify the cost.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      mwhitmore RE: c oliver May 6, 2013 07:02 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Yes, I have tried the *good stuff* at a Santa Barbara high-end Cal-French called, I think, Citrus. And it was...good. Just not all that. My initial comment may have been hyperbole, but I have had no desire to order it again, at any price. OTOH I think the fois gras ban is ridic.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        c oliver RE: mwhitmore May 6, 2013 07:25 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I appreciate your followup. For me, it IS worth it while some other things aren't. And I too think the ban is beyond "ridic."

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    2. ninrn RE: mwhitmore May 6, 2013 08:44 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Your post reminds me of a famous Christopher Hitchens quote about the four most overrated things in life. I won't post it here for fear of offending, but three of the things were food-related.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Chemicalkinetics RE: ninrn May 6, 2013 08:50 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        <I won't post it here for fear of offending, but three of the things were food-related.>

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        My hero. I doubt any one of them is Scotch.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Chemicalkinetics RE: ninrn May 6, 2013 08:56 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          There. I found out the Hitchens' list:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          champagne, lobsters, and picnics.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            TroyTempest RE: Chemicalkinetics May 6, 2013 09:10 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I agree with champagne and picnics for sure, but i do like lobster

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              lagatta RE: Chemicalkinetics May 6, 2013 02:35 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I like some kinds of picnics. We do ritual ones in the Montréal Botanical Gardens: on nice tables and benches, and awnings to take refuge if there is a shower or sun too bright. With beautiful trees and plants around us. Then we bring the food and wine we like, and chat for hours. Very pleasant.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          2. jrvedivici RE: mwhitmore May 7, 2013 06:56 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Caviar, outside of potential bait when fishing, I have no other use for that stuff.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              c oliver RE: jrvedivici May 7, 2013 09:26 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I'm curious. How would one use caviar as bait?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                grampart RE: c oliver May 7, 2013 09:30 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Something like this maybe? I suppose the sturgeon roe would be more difficult to get on a hook, though.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                 
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  c oliver RE: grampart May 7, 2013 10:11 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Uh, yeah. Like impossible!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  FriedClamFanatic RE: c oliver May 7, 2013 01:13 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  OH.......I thought maybe he walked into a bar, found a lovely lady at the counter, then started dropping them like breadcrumbs....all the way to his apt. He meant fishing?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    GH1618 RE: c oliver May 7, 2013 07:00 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I used salmon eggs as bait many, many years ago. It never occurred to me at the time that people would eat them.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      sandylc RE: GH1618 May 7, 2013 07:34 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I remember doing that!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    linguafood RE: jrvedivici May 7, 2013 11:08 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Trout caviar is a thing of beauty. I prefer it over any other kind.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      MGZ RE: linguafood May 7, 2013 11:24 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Can't say I prefer it over any other, but it's quite tasty.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        c oliver RE: linguafood May 7, 2013 12:00 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I've not tried it but now will keep an eye out. Thanks for the tip.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    2. TroyTempest RE: mwhitmore May 7, 2013 09:38 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Wow, the last (and only) time i heard about Veal Prince Orloff was on a Mary Tyler Moore show episode. As i recall, Sue Ann made it for a special dinner that Mary was giving, and Lou invited himself to dinner taking more than his share of the VPO, leaving not enough for the remaining guests. Thanks for the memory, mwhitmore. They don't make TV shoes like that anymore.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        mwhitmore RE: TroyTempest May 7, 2013 09:57 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Agree, it popped into my head when listing possibly overrated foods. I have never actually tasted VPO, but I looked up the recipe in Escoffier. It seems like the kind of dish that is overelaborated for the sake of being fancy, not for the flavor. Or maybe veal needs all the help it can get!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        @OP, whenever I see your OP :), I wonder what you didn't like about the FB. I can't imagine anything more wonderful than FG on toasted brioche - kinda a sandwich!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          mwhitmore RE: c oliver May 7, 2013 05:41 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I didn't dislike it. But I didn't think it was better than a chicken liver sauté. p.s. I'm glad you like it.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Wow! There must have been something SERIOUSLY wrong with that piece then. Cause it doesn't taste like liver.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          laliz RE: mwhitmore May 7, 2013 05:22 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          specialty chocolates with chilis or spices in them
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          smoked salmon (eel, etc) or lox
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          sashimi
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