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liza8402 May 2, 2013 11:04 AM

Does this exist?

  1. MC Slim JB May 9, 2013 09:12 AM

    A friend tells me that the recently-closed Sicilia's in Allston did a fair version of Chicago deep-dish -- not that that helps anyone.

    I have fond memories of the style (including the "stuffed" variant) from my brief time living in Chicago -- I worked around the corner from Gino's East -- even if many consider them an abomination in the eyes of the Pizza Gods.

    http://mcslimjb.blogspot.com/

    1. MeffaBabe May 9, 2013 05:03 AM

      hopefully not... Chicago style pizza is really a calzone mislabeled as pizza. Was not impressed with that thick, stuffed, have to eat with a fork thing they call pizza. Pizza should be crispy, crispy, thin, thin, thin so you can fold it and the crust at the point is crispy enough so not to limply fall before you get it to your mouth

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        treb May 9, 2013 07:25 AM

        The dough on Chicago pizza is also buttery like a pie crust...what!!! I mean, if you really want a Chicago Style Pizza then go to Chicago!

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        YoChief23 May 3, 2013 07:21 PM

        You can also web order Lou Malnati's which is my favorite Chicago style, they actually turn out pretty ok, gotta add on some Garrett's as well.

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          rshock May 3, 2013 02:03 PM

          We've just resorted to making our own with the recipe taken from this Chowhound thread:

          http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/507079

          Take the recipe described by 'stevel6'. This gives as close a pie as I've found to what I've had in Chicago.

          1. Delhiwala May 3, 2013 11:03 AM

            Your best option (by far) is to order a deep dish pizza or two from Chicago and have it shipped to you for hearing in your oven. I strongly suggest Giordanos. Enjoy!
            http://giordanos.com/shop/

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              liza8402 May 3, 2013 02:55 PM

              Wow -- I had no clue this existed. Thank you!!

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                catsmeow May 3, 2013 03:42 PM

                I ordered a few deep dish from Lou Malnatis via the web site Taste of Chicago. If you subscribe to the site, every few months they email a special offer to you. When I got it, a free cheese cake from Eli's Cheese cakes was included.

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                  bgavin May 5, 2013 03:23 PM

                  When I was in Chicago for a six month assignment, twenty years ago, I dated someone who wanted to take me out for pizza. I swore he said we were going to Luminati's - that the pizza would illuminate my life!

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                    bear May 5, 2013 03:47 PM

                    Ha, love it!

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              blackpippi May 3, 2013 06:54 AM

              I just moved to the suburbs of Boston from San Francisco. SF is doing great things with pizza, both deep dish (Zachary's, Little Star) and hyper thin (Ragazza, Baretta).

              Anyway, my point, I actually went to an Uno's in Dedham. They had a special, I think 2 deep dish pizzas for $10 or something like that. Are people tempted by these specials? Our food is so bad, we have to practically give it away! Utterly and completely dismal. I would not eat there ever again.

              I'm just trying to find a decent slice somewhere in New England!

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                Gordough May 3, 2013 07:53 AM

                blackpippi, I strongly suggest giving Max and Leo's in Newton a try. I find their coal fired pizza (which is NOT deep dish) is the best in all of Greater Boston. http://maxandleos.com/

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                  hotoynoodle May 3, 2013 08:12 AM

                  do people in chicago search for "boston-style" pizza?

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                    MC Slim JB May 3, 2013 09:39 AM

                    Well, there's a difference: Chicago deep dish really is its own distinctive thing. If Boston has a distinctive style, it's "frozen-crust greasy Greek-American pan pizza", which I'd rather not coalesce as an idea anywhere in the country. Not saying we don't have great pizza joints here, but the most common version isn't something we want our Chamber of Commerce to promote.

                    http://mcslimjb.blogspot.com/

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                      hotoynoodle May 3, 2013 09:48 AM

                      when i moved from nyc to here for college, the shock of that krap pizza and the awful bagels almost made me want to change schools. :)

                      funny enough, there is a chain in canada called "boston pizza". have never ventured in, but i don't know if that means canadian pizza is typically even worse than ours!

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                        MC Slim JB May 3, 2013 10:15 AM

                        I only know of the Boston Pizza chain because they briefly changed their name to Vancouver Pizza during the 2011 Bruins/Canucks Stanley Cup Finals. (It didn't help, obviously.)

                        http://mcslimjb.blogspot.com/

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                          hotoynoodle May 3, 2013 10:57 AM

                          pizza could not defeat tim thomas.

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                          blackpippi May 4, 2013 05:20 AM

                          I went to a restaurant once in Maine (?) called the San Francisco Kitchen. It was a Chinese restaurant that served sourdough bread.
                          Maybe Boston Pizza is pizza served with a side of Dunkin' Donuts coffee?

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                            antimony May 7, 2013 09:49 AM

                            Well, I don't know about Canadian pizza in general, but "boston pizza" is terrible. We stopped in one while hungry/exhausted after a canoe camping trip, and while the food did the job of being hot and greasy and not cooked over a camp stove, it was pretty nasty.

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                              hotoynoodle May 7, 2013 12:02 PM

                              hot, greasy and somebody-else-cooked-it sums up the recommendations for about 90% of local boston pizza joints. why pizza like the original regina's never got off the ground is beyond me.

                              blame college students? drunk and happy to eat whatever? places could suck and still make money as long as they were near campus and student housing?

                              now, it's too late for anything but "artisan" pizzas to be dotting the landscape because rent is so high.

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                                MC Slim JB May 7, 2013 12:11 PM

                                To be fair, "Hot, greasy, and somebody-else-cooked-it" is often exactly what is called for. It just doesn't usually reach a Chowhound threshold of discussion-worthiness. Even New York is afflicted with the problem that 90% of its pizza joints aren't worth talking about.

                                http://mcslimjb.blogspot.com/

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                            treb May 4, 2013 07:10 AM

                            'bout the only pizza I could recommend would be Regina's and only in the Northend. BTW - Agree the Greek crap is aweful.

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                              MC Slim JB May 4, 2013 07:19 AM

                              Have you tried Otto yet? I think there's more than one worthy pizza joint in Greater Boston, and that's one of the newer ones.

                              http://mcslimjb.blogspot.com/

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                              xerxes_xerxes May 7, 2013 10:56 AM

                              Do you think there's hope for pizza in Boston? I know there are good joints here and there, but we don't seem to have our own respected pizza culture. What do you think it would take to start the pizza revolution in Boston?

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                                davis_sq_pro May 8, 2013 08:08 AM

                                "What do you think it would take to start the pizza revolution in Boston?"

                                Consumers who are willing to pay for a higher quality product, for a start. There are so many * House of Pizza places that charge $10 or $12 for a pie that it can be really tough for a business to compete and break free of that mold. Customers might enjoy it, and might return, but first you have to get 'em in the door.

                                And of course, this requires a decent product, which can take a long time and a lot of capital to develop. Putting a bunch of money into developing a product for a highly saturated, competitive, and low price driven market? Doesn't sound like a good business plan to me.

                                Know any wealthy, charitable, and slightly naive angel investor types? If so, let's do it :-)

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                                  treb May 8, 2013 08:16 AM

                                  I think one major issue is the dough. A good dough requires several days, not hours, to develop. That's a love for the product.

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                                    hotoynoodle May 8, 2013 10:01 AM

                                    the cardboard dough was my instant hate of boston pizza when i moved up here and remains so to this day.

                                    haymarket pizza is super cheap, has been around forever and has very good dough. when i need pizza dough, that's my go-to place. it can be done.

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                                      treb May 8, 2013 11:00 AM

                                      Yah, Haymarket, simple old school, been there forever and great.

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                                    xerxes_xerxes May 8, 2013 08:23 AM

                                    All good points. I think we would also need to make pizza "cool" again, too. Though what reallyt is needed is a deap-seated respect for pizza, rather than a fad that will fizzle.

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                                      addiez May 8, 2013 08:26 AM

                                      I'd argue that the pizza revolution has been started. MC Slim JB refers to Otto which I think is a stellar example. Others include Figs, Cambridge 1, the (less than exemplary) Upper Crust, Flatbread Company...

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                                        davis_sq_pro May 8, 2013 08:32 AM

                                        I haven't tried Otto yet, but will have to do so soon after reading this.

                                        Figs and Cambridge 1 have both been around for 10+ years if I'm not mistaken. I think they're great examples of evolution, but not revolution. When my local House starts offering fresh mozz, then we'll be in revolution territory :-)

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                                          xerxes_xerxes May 8, 2013 08:34 AM

                                          Can you think of an example of another food revolution we had in Boston? Food trucks perhaps? Coffee?

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                                            hotoynoodle May 8, 2013 09:58 AM

                                            i think seattle will lay claim to coffee, but we had plenty to do with ice cream, back in the day of steve's and herrell's.

                                            not "food", but harpoon was pivotal in the micro-brew movement.

                                            fig's on beacon is a s***hole, with awful service and yet is always busy, so i don't know that lack of demand is a barrier. however, i do think the perception of tiny margins is.

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                                              devilham May 8, 2013 12:31 PM

                                              Couldn't agree more on Fig's, and said as much a few years back

                                              http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/800997

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                                    BobB May 9, 2013 07:50 AM

                                    Driving through New Jersey back in the early '70s I saw a pizza place that offered "Boston-style" pizza. Being a native, I had to stop in and find out what they meant. They told me that Boston-style pizza is made with cheddar instead of mozzarella. I told them that I'm from Boston and never heard of such a thing. They told me in colorful language exactly how much they cared.

                                    Curiously, I seem to recall that years later (sometime in the 1980s?) there was a short-lived chain around here that served pizza made with cheddar. Can't recall the name, though. Ah, senility.

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                                      xerxes_xerxes May 9, 2013 07:53 AM

                                      haha! Love this story. Maybe you're on to something, maybe instead of emulating NY-style pizza we should strike out on our own and rethink it entirely. I'm a big fan of cheddar...

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                                        JudyHP May 9, 2013 07:58 AM

                                        That was Ruggles British Pizza! They were in downtown crossing, and you could get a pitcher of Bass Ale with your pizza!

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                                          BobB May 9, 2013 08:29 AM

                                          Ruggles! Yes, that was it. Thanks. And for the record, I've spent a lot of time in the UK, and have never seen pizza made with cheddar there either.

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                                            hotoynoodle May 9, 2013 09:28 AM

                                            don't think i've actually eaten pizza in the uk, but i've also never seen a ruggles there -- not even in the 80s.

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                                  Gabatta May 2, 2013 07:53 PM

                                  No, good Chicago style pizza does not exist in Boston.

                                  The chain Uno locations are nothing like the original Uno and Due locations in Chicago (which are independently owned). The chain, now called Uno Chicago Grill is a crappy entity unto itself.

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                                    lergnom May 2, 2013 07:16 PM

                                    I see a number of "deep dish" pizzas but none except Uno's are real Chicago style with the crust baked in in an individual pan with the ingredients layered, etc.

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                                      liza8402 May 2, 2013 06:33 PM

                                      So funny... I never really thought of Uno's) even though I've been many times.) I guess that will have to do!

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                                        fara May 7, 2013 01:43 PM

                                        don't go to the one in Kenmore, I think I heard the one in Harvard Sq was ok

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                                        owades May 2, 2013 12:20 PM

                                        Boston was the first location of the franchised Pizzeria Uno chain outside of the original Pizzeria Uno and Pizzeria Due in Chicago, and I believe the headquarters of the chain is still here. They have as good a claim to "Chicago-style pizza" as anyone, and I think what they serve in their Boston-area shops is a pretty good match to the Chicago original--which itself was the originator of the canonical Chicago pizza. There are some other local variants in the Chicago area, like the "stuffed pizza" at Giordano's, but Uno's is what most people think of as Chicago pizza. (If I'm actually in Chicago, I'd probably pick Gino's East for my pizza spot.)

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                                          Nab May 2, 2013 08:09 PM

                                          Granted, there is a high degree of inter-franchise variability even in Chicago, I can't say what I've had here (Symphony location) even remotely resembled the Chicago OG. What I had was clearly a pre-fab product, bone-dry crust, rightside up layering, and not much for layers at that. Reminiscent of a high school cafeteria personal pizza, and probably serves that purpose for the neighbourhood.

                                           
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                                          grant.cook May 2, 2013 11:44 AM

                                          aka the "cheese and sauce" cassrole, you mean?

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                                            foodieX2 May 2, 2013 11:10 AM

                                            I want to a be smart ass and say Uno!

                                            But I have to say I never have actively looked for it but a Chicago guy here at the office was lamenting the same thing a few weeks ago. He just relocated to the South Shore area from Chicago.

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                                              rknrll May 2, 2013 12:49 PM

                                              At least he can get Chicago hot dogs at Windy City.

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                                                foodieX2 May 2, 2013 01:26 PM

                                                Indeed!

                                                Liza- stop in and see Grady at Windy City eats in Norwell or Weymouth. If there is good Chicago pizza in the Boston area he will know.

                                                Or got to their FB and post the question.

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                                                  NE_Wombat May 4, 2013 08:37 AM

                                                  And at Spalla's in Natick.

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                                                  jgg13 May 2, 2013 07:01 PM

                                                  edit: I said what owades just said below, oops

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