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The NY Egg Cream, worth it to order the U-bet syrup?

SavoryTv Apr 29, 2013 02:04 AM

I'm determined to try the famous NYC Egg Cream drink, and contemplating ordering the U-bet syrup online since I won't be in the city anytime soon. Is the Fox's U-bet worth ordering? Or will another syrup do?

Also any favorite recipes or ratios would be appreciated!

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    acgold7 May 2, 2013 12:16 AM

    If you're not in an East Coast market that typically carries this sublime stuff, it's worth noting that Cost Plus World Market claims to have it in many of their stores. Their website has a product locator.

    http://www.worldmarket.com/product/fo...

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      acgold7 May 2, 2013 11:31 AM

      Just stopped by the World Market on my way to work and bought six bottles each of U-Bet and Bosco, so I can confirm that they have both on site here on the left coast. U-Bet $5.99, Bosco $2.99, so quite a bit better than online.

      (Even at $2.99 for 22 ounces, Bosco is twice as expensive as Hershey's in bulk, so there is that.)

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        bagelman01 May 2, 2013 12:12 PM

        OUCH, was in Stop and Shop last night in Bridgeport, CT. Fox's U-Bet on sale 2 for $5 this week instead of $2.99 everday proce

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          coll May 2, 2013 12:20 PM

          They always have it for $1.99 during Passover, I stock up then.

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      bobbert May 1, 2013 04:00 AM

      You bet you have to use U-bet to make a real NYC Egg Cream. Use anything else and it might be an egg cream but not a NYC egg cream.

      1. hambone Apr 30, 2013 08:58 PM

        You people suck.

        Now all I can think about is the bottle of Fox's, the cold milk and the seltzer sitting in my fridge.

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          Just Visiting Apr 30, 2013 01:39 PM

          Yes. Only way to do it, as far as I'm concerned.

          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egg_cream

          1. bagelman01 Apr 30, 2013 06:10 AM

            Don't forget the required accompiament....
            a Bachman pretzel rod. 3 cents each 2 for a nickel

            1. Cheese Boy Apr 29, 2013 07:53 PM

              I prefer Fox's U-bet chocolate syrup for egg creams because it has a deeper chocolatey (cocoa) taste. Bosco brand syrup was thicker, yes, but it was less chocolatey and slightly sweeter. FWIW, I have a *glass* bottle of Fox's U-bet Vanilla syrup still in my fridge.

              Fox's --> http://www.foxs-syrups.com/egg_cream....

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              1. re: Cheese Boy
                bagelman01 Apr 30, 2013 06:09 AM

                You mean I'm not the only one holding in to that glass bottle of vanilla Fox's? My mother does not care for chocolate, but opccasionally would have a vanilla egg cream made with it.

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                  Cheese Boy Apr 30, 2013 10:15 PM

                  Yes sir !!! Cherish that bottle !!! Vanilla is very tasty too.

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                    Tripeler May 1, 2013 02:15 AM

                    Put just a tiny touch of almond essence in with the Vanilla Fox's. The aroma is astonishing.

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                      Cheese Boy May 1, 2013 10:46 PM

                      I like the almond addition very much.

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                        Tripeler May 2, 2013 02:06 AM

                        Yes, it gives the vanilla a very faint cherry flavor. But you have to be careful not to add too much.

                        My aunt has always avoided Egg Creams, saying "with egg and all that cream, it's practically all cholesterol, right?"

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                          Cheese Boy May 2, 2013 10:50 PM

                          >> 'with egg and all that cream, it's practically all cholesterol, right?' <<

                          This made me chuckle.

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                            Tripeler May 3, 2013 01:05 AM

                            For me, it really pinned the ignorance meter. I didn't chuckle because the stupidity knocked all the wind out of me.

                            I've never been able to repeat it until this thread, a big enough group that knows all about egg creams.

              2. coll Apr 29, 2013 06:21 PM

                I can't imagine using anything but U Bet. Doesn't matter what borough you are in.

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                  Florida Hound Apr 29, 2013 06:40 PM

                  Wait a minute guys! I know the original story and Manhatten may well claim the "original." But as this thread grows (as it must- so much Egg Cream passion out there!), remember the O.P. called it "The N.Y. Egg Cream" so we can all be happy. It may be that the current "Brooklyn" moniker is so prevalent because U-Bet is based there. But I will tell you I've had a lot more Egg Creams in the Bronx and even Yonkers than "out" in Brooklyn. That's just me. I hope Savory tv experiments with recipes and... U-Bet, of course, and has a great experience.

                  I really enjoy making an Egg Cream for someone who has never had one before. And I just thought of another challenge to all of this: you can't add childhood nostalgia or the old candy store or NY soda fountain memories to the basic recipe. The flavors may stand on their own, but to be honest, every Egg Cream "takes me back." Its part of the experience that Savory will not be able to order on Amazon.

                  1. re: coll
                    law_doc89 Apr 29, 2013 06:57 PM

                    Because you have never had the Manhattan egg cream.

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                      coll Apr 29, 2013 07:43 PM

                      I've had them in Manhattan but I grew up in the Bronx. I'm on Long Island now and still order them whenever I have breakfast out. Each one is a different work of art to me. The waitress who makes them is as important as the syrup, maybe more so.

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                        Bkeats Apr 30, 2013 11:11 AM

                        I don't get egg creams. I'm not from NY but have lived there for a while now. Originally came for school. I had my first egg cream in Manhattan. Upper West Side to be precise. I remember the soda shop quite clearly though its long gone now. Ordered the egg cream, had a drink and thought to myself what's the big deal? Watery chocolate milk with some fizz. Tried it some more, but never impressed me. On the other hand, the orange egg cream at Eleven Madison Park, that is something special and I wish I could get that on a regular basis.

                    2. law_doc89 Apr 29, 2013 06:19 PM

                      Here is the problem, egg creams are from Manhattan. Juniors created a myth that they are from Brooklyn. Most traditional candy stores are gone from Manhattan (think Sam's at 8th and W 21) so mythology reigns.

                      1. law_doc89 Apr 29, 2013 06:08 PM

                        You can't because you cannot get Bosco syrup easily anymore. Gotta get Bosco.

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                          bagelman01 May 2, 2013 12:11 PM

                          with Amazon, everything is easier. Here in South Central CT Bosco is stocked at some major supermarkets

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                          Big Bad Voodoo Lou Apr 29, 2013 06:55 AM

                          U-Bet is the only chocolate syrup I buy, for egg creams, chocolate milk, ice cream, anything. It's so far superior to Hershey's and any other mainstream brands that you won't even believe it. Luckily, it's not difficult to find in Florida.

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                            SavoryTv Apr 29, 2013 05:14 PM

                            Thanks Lou!

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                              Florida Hound Apr 29, 2013 05:22 PM

                              I'm glad Savory is asking the question and want to emphasize its U-Bet or nothin'.
                              If you need to order it long distance, fine, but don't fool yourself that you can get by with Hershey's or Bosco.
                              Next issue- do you have a real soda siphon? Gotta squirt the soda water into your recipe with a real-deal seltzer siphon, with CO2 cartridge and all.
                              Whew- its complicated but fun, down to what goes in first, and how much wrist action/ body-English kind of stirring as the recipe goes on.
                              Check out the Chowhound thread, "Brooklyn Egg Cream" http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/352695 and check out posts by Chowhounds like addictedtolunch, motl, and phantomdoc.

                              You wanted a recipe, so here's what we use:
                              Brooklyn Egg Cream:

                              1 cup ice cold whole milk (never 2% or
                              skim!

                              )

                              1/4 cup ice-cold seltzer

                              2 Tbsp Fox U-Bet Chocolate Flavored Syrup (do not substitute)

                              Method:
                              Chill a 12 oz glass for a couple of hours in the refridgerator. Preferably, use a glass that is narrow at the bottom, a little wider at the top. Pour the milk into the glass, The seltzer is best if you use a soda siphon bottle. Spritz in the seltzer until a white head reaches the rim of the glass. (A 1/2 inch head of white foam is the goal). Spoon in the syrup with a little wrist action, using a long, narrow-headed spoon, trying to leave the white foamy head undisturbed. Serve immediately with a long stick pretzel on the side.
                              Serves 1.

                              NOTES: Some purists say the pretzel is a Bronx thing.
                              The whole "foamy head" thing is a challenge re: keep it as white as possible. A tan foamy head is still tastey, but it means you just practice on your next one for more whiteness in that head.
                              Note to SavoryTv: "I AM DETERMINED..." is a good thing!

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                                CindyJ May 1, 2013 07:13 PM

                                Growing up in Brooklyn, we ALWAYS bought a pretzel to have with our egg creams. With our malteds, too.

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                                  bagelman01 May 2, 2013 12:10 PM

                                  see my earlier reply about Bachman's pretzel Rods 2 for a nickel, 3 cents each at the candy store..
                                  Egg Cream, 2 pretzel Rods and a comic book (12 cents) for about 50 cents.

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                                    Florida Hound May 2, 2013 05:52 PM

                                    I am relieved to hear that the big finish with the pretzel is just as much a part of Brooklyn tradition as "Bronx!" (OK, OK, likely the other boroughs, too! )
                                    Savorytv... please post re: your results when you finally make that Egg Cream! I'm sure you would make Louis Auster and Herman Fox proud.

                                    1. re: Florida Hound
                                      law_doc89 May 2, 2013 05:58 PM

                                      It is like Abner Doubleday and baseball. Everyone knows he invented it, except he didn't. The egg cream was a good 20 years before Auster.

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                                        Florida Hound May 2, 2013 06:04 PM

                                        Given his role in this, at any part of EC history, Louis Auster would still be proud of how Savory has stirred things up. And we're all waiting (maybe Louis included) to see how the Egg Cream at Savory's house turns out.

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                                          law_doc89 May 2, 2013 07:38 PM

                                          A myth, nothing but a myth. Brooklyn is always in the shadow of Manhattan, and that is the real issue, isn't it?

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                                            coll May 3, 2013 04:13 AM

                                            Fuggedaboutit!

                              2. bagelman01 Apr 29, 2013 05:34 AM

                                It's a matter of both tradition and taste.
                                I ONLY use Fox's U-Bet. I stock up Passover time, when the product is made with cane sugar (corn syrup is not allowed for Passover)(I cleaned out my local supermarkets shelves after Passover when they marked it down to $1 per bottlle).

                                My older brother and SIL, both born and raised in the Bronx prefer Bosco. They say it is closer to the taste they remember from the egg creams served at the neighborhood candy stores of their childhoods. I've tried the Bosco, and it is far superior to Hershey's but I think U-Bet is best.

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                                1. re: bagelman01
                                  SavoryTv Apr 29, 2013 05:14 PM

                                  Thank you Bagelman! They have the kosher version on Amazon, I'll give that a shot :)

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                                    iluvcookies Apr 29, 2013 05:18 PM

                                    Yes, as bagelman suggests, the U-Bet with cane sugar is really the best. I also grab a few when I see them.
                                    And do use whole milk--using 1% or skim just isn't the same. Also make sure to stir stir stir to get the nice frothy head!

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                                      Florida Hound Apr 29, 2013 06:05 PM

                                      I just checked my 2 U-Bet bottles in the 'fridge and on one it says "sugar and/or corn syrup" and the other one, "Corn syrup (sugar during Passover)" The kosher KD is on the front label of each. The labeling sounds like it is pre-printed to fit the variations appropriate to Passover. I cannot remember when I bought these. I did not intentionally pick up any for Pesach. But next year, I will try to be more observant (no pun intended? Well...)

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                                        njmarshall55 May 2, 2013 02:16 PM

                                        Agree with all..I use my stick blender and get plenty of froth!

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                                          Florida Hound May 2, 2013 05:39 PM

                                          Stick blender would not be my first choice for, really, the sublties of an Egg Cream. Plenty of (chocolate or tan) froth isn't the goal, but keeping that white foamy head as separate from the chocolate-laden seltzer in the rest of the drink. Kind of a snappy wrist action, using a long thin spoon seems to work real well.

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                                            law_doc89 May 2, 2013 05:59 PM

                                            A blender will cause it to go flat. Terrible idea.

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                                              coll May 3, 2013 04:11 AM

                                              Yes you have to spritz the seltzer over the back of an iced tea spoon for the best results, it's a learned skill in the diner biz!

                                      2. re: bagelman01
                                        jpr54_1 Apr 30, 2013 01:43 PM

                                        I am also from The Bronx and Fox's U-Bet is the syrup to use.
                                        I wish I had an egg cream now

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                                          Alfred G Apr 30, 2013 08:51 PM

                                          I don't think there was a candy store in the 5 boroughs that didn't serve Fox's U-bet. That's why it is so iconic.

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                                            law_doc89 May 1, 2013 04:45 AM

                                            I think I am older than most of you so remember some things you don't know. I believe the U-Bet became iconic with the Loxfinger spoof of James Bond in the 60's. Israel Bond always had U-Bet.

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                                              coll May 1, 2013 05:15 AM

                                              Unless you are over 100 years old, I think you may be mistaken. U Bet has been around since the late 1800s, and was always the syrup of choice. I used to sell it in the Metro area (among many other things)so I know a little of its history. I remember it being iconic from the time I started forming memories. Perhaps the 1960s is when YOU became aware of it?

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                                                law_doc89 May 1, 2013 05:25 AM

                                                You misunderstand my post. U-Bet became the "standard" in the 60's. It was certainly around before that, but the Manhattan EC was usually made with Bosco, the EC itself originated on the lower east side before either syrup was even in business, and then different "traditions" emerged. The U-Bet dominance is a retrospective falsification.

                                                As Voltaine said:

                                                "History is a trick the living play on the dead."

                                                Plus there is always the on-going rivalry between Brooklyn and "the city."

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                                                  coll May 2, 2013 03:26 AM

                                                  You forgot the Bronx.

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                                                    brokentelephone May 2, 2013 08:04 AM

                                                    Voltaire?

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                                                      law_doc89 May 2, 2013 08:42 AM

                                                      Yup! Voltaire. You figured it out.

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                                                      westsidegal May 3, 2013 01:51 AM

                                                      my father believed that Brooklyn WAS "the city."
                                                      as a matter of fact, he believed Brooklyn WAS AMERICA.

                                                      when we lived on the island, he felt like a stranger in a strange land. . . .

                                              2. re: bagelman01
                                                CindyJ May 1, 2013 07:10 PM

                                                My brother-in-law, who grew up in Queens, insists on Hershey's syrup. As a Brooklyn girl, I KNOW Fox's U-Bet is the real deal.

                                                The REAL challenge, though, is finding seltzer in a real seltzer bottle.

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                                                  law_doc89 May 1, 2013 09:04 PM

                                                  Did you know that real seltzer only comes from Germany?

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                                                    c oliver May 1, 2013 09:14 PM

                                                    I thought it could be made at home. No?

                                                    1. re: law_doc89
                                                      Justpaula May 1, 2013 09:35 PM

                                                      This is not accurate. Whereas Champagne is a legally protected name, the word seltzer is a genericized trademark, similar to other words that were formally trademarked, but eventually declared generic - like aspirin, zipper, and yo-yo. So, while a company can only use the name Champagne if its product is derived from a specific region, any company producing carbonated water can call it seltzer.

                                                      Real Champagne comes from the Champagne region.
                                                      Real seltzer can come from anywhere - yes, even one's own home.

                                                      1. re: Justpaula
                                                        law_doc89 May 2, 2013 03:52 AM

                                                        Nope! Pass me a kleenex while I xerox this: While I never said it has any legal standing, real seltzer is a natural mineral produce from the town of Selters in Germany. What we know today was what the central European immigrants made to imitate it. Remember there was the beginnings of the massive wave of immigrants after the Civil War just as the phosphates were also invented and becoming popular, so they recreated the sodium based seltzer.

                                                        The egg cream is an outgrowth of that era predating the Fox company. An original myth, most certainly made up, is that a Yiddish actor invented the EC in the 1870's on the lower east side.

                                                        So there is real and imitation seltzer, with the real stuff having been forgotten.

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                                                          jpr54_1 May 2, 2013 05:31 AM

                                                          who remembers the seltzer man and his wooden cases filled with czech. crystal bottles?
                                                          visions of etched clear, blue, red and green

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                                                            law_doc89 May 2, 2013 08:44 AM

                                                            What is a hoot, is that there is a seltzer museum in Germany with examples of seltzer bottles going back to before the 30 years war. They look sort of like the Czech crystal bottles in pottery. I don't know when clowns started spraying people with it, however.

                                                            1. re: jpr54_1
                                                              bagelman01 May 2, 2013 12:09 PM

                                                              Had home delivery of Seltzer in New Haven through the mid 1980s from Castle Seltzer of Derby, CT. Now gone. I still have a 6 bottle case with 2 blue, 2 green and 2 clear bottles (all empty).

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                                                                CindyJ May 2, 2013 02:17 PM

                                                                <<<CindyJ raises her hand>>>

                                                                When I was a kid in brooklyn, the seltzer man came every week, delivering a case of those blue, green and clear bottles at the front door and taking away the empties.

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                                                        JulesNoctambule May 6, 2013 10:07 AM

                                                        I live in North Carolina, and one of the Harris Teeter stores in my area stocked it during Passover. Just the one store; I didn't see it anywhere else. After Passover, I bought all they had left.

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