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A no-kids restaurant in Alexandria, VA

Just Visiting Apr 24, 2013 03:02 PM

Coming to the Del Ray section of Alexandria, VA, a sushi place that will not serve anyone under 18.


Now personally I like the idea. I am so tired of going to high-end restaurants only to have to listen to a screaming kid or watch kids running around the restaurant. But this is not a high-end restaurant. This is a neighborhood joint. Casual. In a neighborhood full of kids.

Good idea, lousy execution?

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  1. monavano RE: Just Visiting Apr 24, 2013 03:10 PM

    They say they've got support from locals, but I don't see it. Del Ray is a VERY family-centric, walkable neighborhood that embraces children. There are so many young families.
    I'm on the fence here. Sushi is generally casual, not jacket and tie, and should be easy, breezy and approachable.
    What if Mom and Dad want to give their kids the sushi experience? There's really no other shushi restaurants there in the heart of Mt. Vernon Ave.
    This basically translates into doubling the cost of going out for sushi if you have to hire a sitter.

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    1. re: monavano
      NonnieMuss RE: monavano Apr 25, 2013 12:37 PM

      First world problems! ;-)

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        chowser RE: NonnieMuss Apr 25, 2013 01:36 PM

        Is there anything posted on CH that isn't?

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          NonnieMuss RE: chowser Apr 26, 2013 05:33 AM

          Excellent point! Looking back on the things I complain about on here, there's not a single mention of starvation, political coups, malaria, etc.

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            Firegoat RE: NonnieMuss Apr 26, 2013 06:08 AM

            There is a Chowhound video on 7 ways to get ketchup out of a glass bottle.....

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              EWSflash RE: Firegoat Apr 26, 2013 07:50 PM

              Firegoat, you crack me up. Thanks for the laugh. :)

      2. re: monavano
        SenateMFT RE: monavano Jun 5, 2013 02:31 PM

        Take out is always an option for sushi if you would like to expose your children to it. There are so few places that offer this option for couples without children...it's nice to have a place recognize that not all of us enjoy dining with kids.

      3. chowser RE: Just Visiting Apr 24, 2013 03:16 PM

        It would be one thing in a different area but people eating in the restaurant probably live in the area and want a quick dinner and it's a family area for the most part. I think they're cutting off a huge part of their market. Running, screaming kids don't belong in ANY restaurant but allowing kids doesn't necessarily mean that any more than saying allowing adults to have alcohol means loud obnoxious drunks.

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        1. re: chowser
          chowser RE: chowser Apr 26, 2013 05:50 AM

          I should add I have no problems w/ the concept. I just think the neighborhood won't sustain it. Do it in the city or an area w/ condos, etc. Kingstown would be perfect.

        2. monavano RE: Just Visiting Apr 24, 2013 03:18 PM

          On second thought, I'm calling bull$hit on this no kids policy.
          Look infants and toddlers maybe. You can't control crying etc, but well behaved kids who are almost adults is insane.
          What's it to you if a youngster is sitting at another table, well behaved and enjoying their meal? Seriously, when parents go out without their kids, does it spoil things to even just LOOK at another one?
          I think the owners will be rethinking this, especially in Del Ray.

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          1. re: monavano
            MelMM RE: monavano Apr 25, 2013 11:43 AM

            After reading the article, it makes more sense to me. If the neighborhood is as family-oriented as that, it follows that the restaurants in the area would tend to be kid friendly and have lots of kids present. If every other restaurant is full of kids, it makes sense that it could pay off to have the one place where there aren't any.

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              monavano RE: MelMM Apr 25, 2013 12:09 PM

              I suppose it will be polarizing, with arguments on both sides having valid points.
              I just don't get extending the banned age all the way to 18.

            2. re: monavano
              GraydonCarter RE: monavano Apr 26, 2013 09:01 AM

              I've had more than one meal in which the kids were more well-behaved than their parents.

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              thursday RE: Just Visiting Apr 24, 2013 03:26 PM

              I no longer live in NoVa, but thought I'd weigh in as a mom of 2: I have no problem with this, and might even like the idea to spread. I love that my kids are mini-foodies, even as babies, and wouldn't want every restaurant to have this policy certainly, but as long as it's stated in advance, I would LOVE to be able to go out without the kids and not have to go high-end. I adore my kids, but sometimes (like date nights) I don't want to see ANY kids for 3 hours. (Plus, TMI here - I'm still breastfeeding, so a crying infant causes me physical pain and can shorten/ruin an evening, so the guarantee I won't run into kids would be an added blessing.)

              1. tcamp RE: Just Visiting Apr 25, 2013 09:51 AM

                I am very curious to see how the business fares. I live in Alexandria and have sushi-loving teens. I can see limiting strollers and screamers but I'm unsure what is to be gained by banning older kids who are paying customers - my 15 year old can eat far more sushi than I am interested in eating and minds his manners.

                There are lots of affluent families here with kids who are adventurous eaters, world travelers, and perfectly capable of eating nicely in restos.

                But, hey, it is a free country. We'll see what the market can bear in this case.

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                  viperlush RE: tcamp Apr 25, 2013 10:38 AM

                  I wonder if they will card people as the come in or just judge based on appearance or the party they are with. A 15yr with their parents is okay, a pre prom party of 16/17/18yrs okay, but a group of 15/16yr isn't.

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                    monavano RE: viperlush Apr 25, 2013 10:40 AM

                    Yes, sticky wicket.
                    "Hey, let's try to sneak John, Jr. into the sushi place..."

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                      tcamp RE: viperlush Apr 25, 2013 11:58 AM

                      I'd like to see that happen. Since every other person in Alexandria seems to be a lawyer, I can almost see the fur fly.

                      I am going to stop by there this evening to see if it is open yet.

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                        EWSflash RE: viperlush Apr 26, 2013 07:52 PM


                    2. Jay F RE: Just Visiting Apr 25, 2013 10:42 AM

                      Fabulous idea. If I still lived in DC, I'd come over from DC just to eat there, just to support the idea.

                      And it's the idea you find "lousy," not the execution.

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                      1. re: Jay F
                        chowser RE: Jay F Apr 26, 2013 02:37 AM

                        The question is, given such a plethora of great restaurants in the DC area that don't get many children, how many people will travel out of the city to Del Ray, on a nightly basis? I'm questioning the business aspect of it. It's not a well traveled area like Old Town. Will he get enough people on a Wednesday night, say, who want dinner out w/out the kids, ready to find a babysitter, etc. Pick one weekend night and do it and he might have more of a market of parents who want to do it.

                      2. NonnieMuss RE: Just Visiting Apr 25, 2013 10:49 AM

                        It's the owner's choice, and I'd love to see how it plays out. Personally if such a place opened near me, I would love it and go out of my way to give them my business. I have a major aversion to screaming/running children in restaurants, or standing on the booth, peeking over at me, spraying cracker crumbs all over the floor. Yes, there are plenty of well-behaved children who sit quietly, and there are plenty of good parents who realize that a 2 year-old doesn't have 90 minutes of sitting-still in them, and will take them out. But some nights it seems like these good parents/children are the exception, not the rule. I'm about 75% sure that if I wanted to spend $100+ on a meal, I could get a kid-free zone, but the idea of a local, casual, not-too-spendy place that came with that guarantee would get my business.

                        Maybe they don't want to have to fool with the other things that come with letting kiddies in - to-go cups with lids, children's menus, people bringing in outside food/cheerios/etc., having to price out sides of rice for little'uns who won't eat sushi, crayons, highchairs, and placemats.

                        It's not fair to claim that an adults only establishment shouldn't exist in a family oriented community, as one person in the article stated - then should they protest all bars/liquor & wine stores/theaters showing R-rated movies or mature-themed plays? Not at all. Do they demand their children can and must be allowed in all of those places? Well, yeah they usually do.

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                        1. re: NonnieMuss
                          EWSflash RE: NonnieMuss Apr 26, 2013 07:59 PM

                          Nonnie, you jogged my memory about what restaurants are supposed to provide to little kids, and I agree with you. I'm a particular hater of "children's menus' that have the usual shit that non-food-smart people feed kids.
                          Again, not to brag, but we took Andy to sushi at the age of four, got him a california roll ( I know, I know), but he focused in on and wanted daddy's yellowtail. It was fascinating to see what he liked without any bias on anybody's part, since he was too young to fall victim to peer pressure. He's 24 now, and has a wide open palate compared to most people. He rocks.

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                            PenskeFan RE: EWSflash May 1, 2013 08:36 AM

                            I have two kids, one of them is a mini foodie and will try anything. He hates when we ask him to take something from the kid's menu (more for portion size, don't want to order a 22 dollar entree he only eats 1/3 of) and delights in trying new things.

                            The other, however, has a strong aversion to trying anything new.

                            He will get physically ill if forced to eat something he doesn't want, starting with trembling and then nausea. And if given the choice of eating something he doesn't know he likes and not eating anything, he will go to the point where he is faint from low blood sugar.

                            In fact some restaurants we go to, he does not eat anything at all, he seems to be fine with it. We worry about his nutrition but since he is still young our doctor tells us to wait until he is more mature. He is otherwise healthy and normal, very active , smart and imaginative.

                            Nothing wrong with restaurants putting kid friendly stuff on the menu, because some kids are simply not adventurous eaters, and it has little to do with upbringing - every kid is different.

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                          Steve RE: Just Visiting Apr 25, 2013 01:17 PM

                          I was turned away at Father's Office in LA because I had my kids with me (ages 8 and 12).

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                            jlhinwa RE: Just Visiting Apr 25, 2013 02:44 PM

                            Time will tell if the business will survive with this business model. If there are enough kid-averse casual diners in that area, then they should be fine.

                            I personally would not welcome a restaurant like that as I have a 12-year-old daughter who loves all kinds of food and is a lovely and adventurous dining companion. If she weren't able to behave appropriately, we wouldn't bring her along.

                            My own pet peeves are loud, obnoxious, and profane diners, as well as obviously impaired drunks. Also couples whose need to express their affection for one another would be better served in a hotel room than in a restaurant. So, how do you write a policy to exclude those types??? :-)

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                              chowser RE: jlhinwa Apr 25, 2013 04:31 PM

                              Maybe they should let us vote at our tables and if a table gets enough votes, they have to leave the restaurant.;-) I was out w/ some women who were so cackly loud that I was embarrassed to be with them. It would have put me out of my misery to be asked to leave.

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                                jlhinwa RE: chowser Apr 25, 2013 05:10 PM

                                Great idea! That would be quite entertaining. Yes, cackly women can be very obnoxious as well. Especially when drinking and dishing on their men.

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                                  Chatsworth RE: jlhinwa Apr 25, 2013 07:48 PM

                                  And then arguing over every penny on the bill and still coming up short.

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                                EWSflash RE: jlhinwa Apr 26, 2013 08:01 PM

                                I think what you do is have a manager with the stones to jettison an obnoxious group, otherwise you're screwed.

                              3. Njchicaa RE: Just Visiting Apr 26, 2013 03:01 AM

                                Excellent idea. Our anniversary dinner was ruined last night by a couple and their two young kids TALKING AT THE TOP OF THEIR LUNGS THE ENTIRE TIME. I'd definitely support the place if it was in my area.

                                1. Firegoat RE: Just Visiting Apr 26, 2013 05:06 AM

                                  It will be interesting to see how it does. If it were anywhere near me I would definitely patronize the place -- as long as the food was good!

                                  1. Kris in Beijing RE: Just Visiting Apr 26, 2013 05:53 AM

                                    SOMEONE should start a pay-by-the-hour PlayPlace very near by.
                                    Not. On. SIte.

                                    They could even offer combo packages-- 10% the off PP when you order a set meal?

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                                    1. re: Kris in Beijing
                                      chowser RE: Kris in Beijing Apr 26, 2013 06:29 AM

                                      There was a restaurant near me that had a kids room. It was brilliant. Parents could have a quiet meal, kids were in a room w/ their own servers. It requires a separate rom but I'm surprised other places haven't done it.

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                                        foodieX2 RE: chowser Apr 26, 2013 06:51 AM

                                        My hunch is that there may be more issues involved if the kids are in essence being supervised by the staff in separate room. It’s one thing to have a play area where parents are still responsible for their own kids and another when the kids are left in someone else’s care. Sounds like a grey area-are they part of the restaurant or are they child care providers? If they are considered CCP there are many state guidelines that must be met, often there is licensing involved, background checks for the workers, etc. Play places have waivers that need to be signed and most parents have an expectation that the people who are caring for their children are trained in CPR, first aid, etc.

                                        Plus the way people complain about the hooligans they see , and those kids are dining with their parents can imagine what they are like unsupervised? Who would want to work that room?

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                                          chowser RE: foodieX2 Apr 26, 2013 11:57 AM

                                          I have no idea what the logistics are but it couldn't be that different from the IKEA playroom where you check your kids so you can shop/eat. There are supermarkets where you can check your child and most gyms have some sort of play rooms. It's not that unusual, only restaurants haven't jumped on the bandwagon.

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                                            foodieX2 RE: chowser Apr 26, 2013 12:19 PM

                                            Yes, those are play areas inside a store meant to supervise your kids while you shop. They are not serving food and they have different regulations. The CCP at the Y, My Gym, etc need to cleared to work with kids.

                                            I assumed you were taking about a separate dining room since you refereed to the kids having their own servers. That is a totally different animal.

                                            Many dining places have play areas but the parents are still responsible for their kids. Unfortunately all the ones around here have lousy food, bad wine and the parents who don't supervise their kids when they are sitting next to them don't keep an eye them on them when they aren't right there. Nightmare.

                                    2. Chinon00 RE: Just Visiting Apr 26, 2013 05:00 PM

                                      Isn't it discrimination?

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                                        law_doc89 RE: Chinon00 Apr 26, 2013 06:27 PM

                                        Children are not a protected class.

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                                          Chinon00 RE: law_doc89 Apr 27, 2013 07:21 AM

                                          So what about on flights? Could that be next?

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                                            law_doc89 RE: Chinon00 Apr 27, 2013 08:32 AM

                                            Children are not a protected class. The market will deal with it.

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                                              Chinon00 RE: law_doc89 Apr 27, 2013 10:06 AM

                                              What makes being discriminated against as a child different than race or religion? I mean the "market" idea can apply to race and religion as well.

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                                                Querencia RE: Chinon00 May 6, 2013 02:24 PM

                                                If a restauranteur can exclude a child, why can't he exclude an elderly person? A person in a wheelchair? A 300-pound person? A man taking his adult Downs Syndrome brother out to lunch? It seems to me that letting the restauranteur pick and choose who his customers are puts us all on a slippery slope. And I haven't even mentioned racial exclusions. Imagine having to phone ahead to explain in what way you may be socially unacceptable and asking whether you will receive permission to enter.

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                                                  Jay F RE: Querencia May 6, 2013 03:53 PM

                                                  "...puts us all on a slippery slope."

                                                  Oh, please.

                                                  A post I would disrecommend if I could.

                                            2. re: Chinon00
                                              jujuthomas RE: Chinon00 Apr 28, 2013 01:05 PM

                                              I just read that a (Japanese or Korean) airline is now staring no-kids flights. Can't remember the exact airline, but must admit I was a little disappointed that it wasn't based somewhere I travel. :)

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                                                foodieX2 RE: jujuthomas Apr 28, 2013 01:15 PM

                                                I believe that was for their "first class/upper deck" only which are found on certain types of planes. Ages 12 and up are allowed.

                                          2. re: Chinon00
                                            Hobbert RE: Chinon00 Apr 27, 2013 10:00 AM

                                            Yeah, I thought age, along with gender, religion, ethnicity, etc was protected. Interesting idea.

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                                              law_doc89 RE: Hobbert Apr 29, 2013 05:46 AM

                                              To be a protected class, there must be legislation or some finding that the group in question has a historic pattern against it. Even then, disparate impact in and of itself is not illegal discrimination. So you can't fire an employee based on age alone, but you can have a development that restricts people younger than 55, but not based on race or religion.

                                            2. re: Chinon00
                                              NonnieMuss RE: Chinon00 Apr 29, 2013 05:22 AM

                                              There are plenty of things children are not allowed to do based solely on age: R-rated movies, driving a car, dancing the night away in clubs, getting full-time jobs, credit cards, running for office, buying health insurance, etc. Most are in place to protect the children themselves, but some are for the comfort and convenience of adults.

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                                                Chinon00 RE: NonnieMuss Apr 29, 2013 05:36 AM

                                                Kids are allowed in R rated movies w/ a parent and there are clubs for kids (no booze tho'). And of your examples which are for comfort of adults?

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                                                  kpaxonite RE: Chinon00 Apr 29, 2013 05:52 AM

                                                  The comfort of knowing 10 year olds cant drive cars

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                                                    NonnieMuss RE: Chinon00 Apr 29, 2013 06:18 AM

                                                    Yes, there are clubs for kids - separate ones. They aren't allowed in the adult clubs. As for comfort of adults - how about adult swim?

                                                    And yes, I've definitely been in an R-rated movie with kids present. This is usually called "bad parenting".

                                                    1. re: NonnieMuss
                                                      Chinon00 RE: NonnieMuss Apr 29, 2013 06:34 AM

                                                      Laws that restrict children are there to protect children. Children don't need protection in restaurants.

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                                                        NonnieMuss RE: Chinon00 Apr 29, 2013 06:48 AM

                                                        I have nothing against children at all, but yes, I have had several meals ruined by badly behaved children and/or negligent parents at restaurants. Seems like many others on this thread have experienced this as well.

                                                        There are places that do not allow children for the comfort of adults - I have been on two different adult-only vacations. These are not naked-swingers places - simply regular resorts that have an 18-and-over policy. There was nothing there to protect children from - just beaches, volleyball, buffets, etc. but no kids allowed.

                                                        It's not as much about denying children entry, but providing an adults-only atmosphere for those who desire it. If someone proposed banning all children from all restaurants, I would be very much against that. But one restaurant out of thousands? I am very much for that.

                                                        1. re: NonnieMuss
                                                          Chinon00 RE: NonnieMuss Apr 29, 2013 08:31 AM

                                                          How many times the passed year have you had a meal at a high end restaurant ruined by loud children?

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                                                            kengk RE: Chinon00 Apr 29, 2013 09:00 AM

                                                            High end and ruined are not absolutes for me but I've had several meals in the past year that would have been considerably more pleasant if not for the crying babies and the toddlers leaning over my shoulder from the booth behind me. Oh, and the kicking of the booth.

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                                                              Chinon00 RE: kengk Apr 29, 2013 10:16 AM

                                                              Were these family style restaurants?

                                                          2. re: NonnieMuss
                                                            foodieX2 RE: NonnieMuss Apr 29, 2013 08:45 AM

                                                            I have had significantly more meals ruined by badly behaved adults than by children. At least with kids you have a chance that the parents will do something. With the adults it has get REALLY bad before management will deal with it.

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                                                              monavano RE: foodieX2 Apr 29, 2013 08:58 AM

                                                              Without a doubt, most carbon-based life forms can ruin a meal if the will is there ;-)

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                                                                foodieX2 RE: monavano Apr 29, 2013 09:10 AM


                                                                I am just amazed how many people seem to have so many meals "ruined" by children. I must be lucky? The few times that come to mind of meals made less pleasurable are mostly of boorish drunk men who should have left their drinks in the bar before sitting down for dinner or woman having particularly boozy GNO's. Still those were *maybe* 2 or 3 in the last 5+ years. It has not made me stop going out nor wanting to ban alcohol.

                                                          3. re: Chinon00
                                                            SenateMFT RE: Chinon00 Jun 5, 2013 02:35 PM

                                                            Perhaps not, but from time to time my right to enjoy a meal without a screamer next to me should be. Some places are for adults enjoyment, and this is hindered when other people's children feel the need to act out. I will absolutely dine here.

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                                                              Chinon00 RE: SenateMFT Jun 5, 2013 03:18 PM

                                                              Yeah I don't get this. We're all chowhounds so I'm assuming that we all go out to eat regularly myself included. And I literally can't remember the last time a child ruined a meal for me. It's just a rarity particularly in high end restaurants. I'm not saying it can't happen but I have a bigger problem w/ noisy restaurants than w/ screaming kids.
                                                              I'm just not convinced that any of us are having dining experiences regularly ruined (like say smoking a generation ago) to the point where "no kids allowed" places are needed.

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                                                                Firegoat RE: Chinon00 Jun 5, 2013 03:46 PM

                                                                Guess you must not eat where the rest of us do. I'd love a no kids restaurant!

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                                                                  hyacinthgirl RE: Chinon00 Jun 6, 2013 06:27 AM

                                                                  I'm with you, Chinon- I've never had a meal ruined by kids that I can recall. Not sure if I'm just in the "lucky" camp or what.

                                                    2. law_doc89 RE: Just Visiting Apr 26, 2013 06:27 PM

                                                      Perhaps there are too many permissive and unrealistic parents? But there are many ill manner adults who speak too loudly and use cell phones or dress poorly.

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                                                        EWSflash RE: law_doc89 Apr 26, 2013 08:03 PM

                                                        True on all counts.

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                                                          law_doc89 RE: EWSflash Apr 27, 2013 05:26 AM

                                                          Thank you. The real issue is manners and social awareness. A restaurant is partially a social and psychologic experience. When others are boorish in manner and appearance, it can spoil the experience for others. Some are insensitive or don't care how much they have a negative impact on others, and a few seem to relish disturbing others. The owners can and should ask such folk to leave.

                                                        2. re: law_doc89
                                                          Firegoat RE: law_doc89 May 1, 2013 10:36 AM

                                                          Yet no one makes a thread if a restaurant has a dress code to make sure that people dress in a non-offensive way.....

                                                        3. EWSflash RE: Just Visiting Apr 26, 2013 07:49 PM

                                                          Interesting. I guess I can see where the owner stands on kids in restaurants.
                                                          I rarely experience kids misbehaving in restaurants, but I really don't eat out that much. Bratty monsters would ruin my meal, but then i have lunch in a hospital cafeteria five days a week, and sometimes there are visitors whose kids make a fuss for whatever reason, the whole family may well be under a whole lot of stress. Most of my lunch group buddies have kids, so we can usually tune them out, but then that's a hospital cafeteria. Visitors and their kids gotta eat.
                                                          A fine dining place I wouldn't have a problem with, AS LONG AS THE KIDS WERE QUIET. I mean that. My son never once made a peep at a restaurant, he was so fascinated with them, Then he got tired, leaned over and went to sleep. I know we were blessed, but if he had been the hissyfit type we would NOT have taken him to restaurants.

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                                                          1. re: EWSflash
                                                            monavano RE: EWSflash Apr 27, 2013 08:50 AM

                                                            The owner's other restos are kid friendly. I guess he's just trying something different.

                                                          2. Chinon00 RE: Just Visiting Apr 29, 2013 06:20 AM

                                                            Bad idea. We share the planet w/ kids. And if they belong anywhere it's at the dinner table w/ their family. Have there been times when noisy children have ruined a meal? Very rarely. I've had far more off putting experiences at restaurants w/ rude adults.
                                                            Dinner out w/ the family getting dressed up are some of my fondest memories as a child. We adults have our spaces too. Lighten up.

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                                                              cheesecake17 RE: Just Visiting Apr 29, 2013 09:23 AM

                                                              I understand the idea, but I'm not familiar with the neighborhood. If it truly is a family friendly neighborhood, the concept doesn't make sense.

                                                              What would make sense to me was no kids past a certain hour. Say, dinner time (after 6) is "no kids." But what about the moms who meet for lunch? Or bring their kids after school?

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                                                                MelMM RE: cheesecake17 Apr 29, 2013 09:50 AM

                                                                But I think that it is already a family-friendly neighborhood might be the key. If every other place in the area is full of kids, it might be very nice to have one place for date night, or for a business lunch, where you don't have that family vibe. Maybe the neighborhood doesn't need yet another family-friendly place.

                                                                1. re: MelMM
                                                                  chowser RE: MelMM Apr 29, 2013 10:00 AM

                                                                  I'll be curious to see how it works out in that neighborhood. As I've said, it's not convenient enough to go to regularly for many outside the neighborhood (other than the weekend) and if you do, Old Town isn't far away and there are more choices for good food there. I wonder if it might work better on a weekend and then have it open to all on weekdays, although that might be a logistical nightmare. Maybe there are enough families whose children have left home there to support it, in addition to the parents who manage to find child care for a casual week night dinner out.

                                                                2. re: cheesecake17
                                                                  GraydonCarter RE: cheesecake17 May 1, 2013 08:15 AM

                                                                  Del Ray is couples-friendly IMHO. There are some very romantic places there... like the couch in the upstairs bar of the Evening Star Cafe.

                                                                  This kind of place would make even more sense in a party town like Tampa’s Ybor City.

                                                                3. emily RE: Just Visiting May 2, 2013 09:58 AM

                                                                  Kudos to them for trying something that might appeal to a segment of the population. As others have mentioned, the local market will determine whether it's a success.

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                                                                    INDIANRIVERFL RE: emily May 2, 2013 12:08 PM

                                                                    Agreed. I remember the first smoke free restaurant in Germany. Made all the papers. Went to it about a year later with my asthmatic father and there were ashtrays on every table.

                                                                    In the university town of Giessen, the vegetarian/juice bar place lasted less than 6 months. No alcohol.

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                                                                    jarona RE: Just Visiting May 3, 2013 08:36 AM

                                                                    I like the idea. Why can't adults go out to a dinner and just be free to have any sort of conversation they would like to without having to "worry" what the children at the next table might overhear. Why can't adults go out to dinner and have some "mommy and daddy" time--or "empty nester" time.
                                                                    Listen. I love kids. The happiest days of my life were when my now-adult children were younger. Every day was an adventure. But you know what? It's nice to have an adults only evening!

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                                                                      law_doc89 RE: jarona May 3, 2013 03:41 PM

                                                                      Agreed, but today's entitled parents feel it is their duty to impose their feral children on the rest of us.

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                                                                        Chinon00 RE: jarona May 3, 2013 04:19 PM

                                                                        How persistent a problem is this for you at non-family style restaurants?

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                                                                          Firegoat RE: Chinon00 May 4, 2013 09:22 AM

                                                                          A very common problem.

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                                                                            law_doc89 RE: Firegoat May 4, 2013 09:39 AM

                                                                            Yes indeed.

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                                                                              Chinon00 RE: Firegoat May 4, 2013 02:01 PM

                                                                              Not in my experience. I do think that in general kids can present difficulties eating out. But if you had a list of say the top 25 upscale dining restaurants Chicago I don't think that they could be that highly regarded w/ a persistent out of control child problem. They couldn't command the dollars or the reputation.

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                                                                                Firegoat RE: Chinon00 May 5, 2013 09:58 AM

                                                                                I'm not sure where "upscale" and "chicago" became the measuring point here. I am not familiar with this new restaurant although posters who are said it was in a family friendly district. I would love a lower price point where I could be assured of a nice quiet night where I could focus on food and the company. If I'm paying $20 for an entree I would like to enjoy it. If I go to Chuckee Cheese I would expect to see and enjoy kids.

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                                                                              jarona RE: Chinon00 May 6, 2013 02:01 PM

                                                                              Perfect example: Last week my sons, my frenchman and I were having a perfect lunch al fresco in a restaurant in NYC. We were having great conversation. At the table next to us was a couple with their young child, who, might I add was adorable. However, she started quacking like a duck. Loudly. Very loudly. It's annoying. cute is cute but there comes a time when, as parents, you need to teach your child social skills. The younger a child learns and exhibits great social skills, the better off he/she will be throughout life.
                                                                              Trust me, I'm far from the perfect parent, but I never felt that my children were "entitled" to behave out in public (or anywhere) to behave in any manner they wanted to.

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                                                                                Chinon00 RE: jarona May 6, 2013 02:57 PM

                                                                                What style restaurant was this?

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                                                                                  jarona RE: Chinon00 May 6, 2013 04:04 PM

                                                                                  It was an Italian restaurant on the Upper East Side. Pretty quiet brunch place. Paola's.

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                                                                                    Chinon00 RE: jarona May 6, 2013 04:47 PM

                                                                                    I understand. I've been traveling for work for 16 years and therefore eat out a lot and typically at places around the price point of Paola's. I'm not saying that it never happens but screaming children is something I'm just not familiar with occurring often when dining out.

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                                                                                      foodieX2 RE: Chinon00 May 6, 2013 04:58 PM

                                                                                      Exactly, it's is extremely rare for me too. The few memorable times a meal has "ruined" was by adults.

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                                                                                  monavano RE: jarona May 6, 2013 03:00 PM

                                                                                  It's a shame the parents missed a teachable moment by instructing the little cutie that it's not acceptable behavior at a restaurant.

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                                                                                    chowser RE: monavano May 6, 2013 03:20 PM

                                                                                    Because I'd bet those quacking kids are the ones to grow up to be those obnoxious loud adults in restaurants.

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                                                                                      monavano RE: chowser May 6, 2013 04:23 PM

                                                                                      I don't know about that. Who knows, maybe Miss Manners was a "quacker" as a tyke.

                                                                            3. Jay F RE: Just Visiting May 3, 2013 05:34 PM

                                                                              So has anyone eaten there yet?

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                                                                                tcamp RE: Jay F May 6, 2013 07:10 AM

                                                                                It isn't open yet. When I went past on Saturday, there was still paper up in the windows. I'm not a huge fan of their other restaurants (for food reasons; not presence of youth) so the wait isn't exactly killing me.

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                                                                                  chowser RE: tcamp May 6, 2013 11:00 AM

                                                                                  He does own a disparate group of restaurants and sushi is even more the odd man out. Kids or no kids, it's not something I'm dying to try out but at least this got him publicity.

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                                                                                Querencia RE: Just Visiting May 6, 2013 02:17 PM

                                                                                Hello lawyers: is this even legal? If it is, then can a restaurant exclude elderly people? People in wheelchairs? Black people, Hispanic-looking people, Inuits? A couple the owner thinks might be gay? And how are they going to discern Acceptables from Non-Acceptables---card everybody coming in? I don't think a landlord can refuse to rent a house to a couple with children (correct me if I'm wrong)---so can a restauranteur refuse to admit a couple accompanied by their children?

                                                                                I appreciate that people may want to eat in a child-free environment but the reason I am belaboring this is that in Chicago where we have MANY immigrant businesses I have encountered entrepreneurs who don't grasp the concept of American law. A friend with MS who uses a scooter was refused admission to a mama-and-papa grocery store. When I challenged one fruit store owner for advertising on his window cherries for $2 a pound when inside the store they actually cost $5 a pound, and explained to him that he isn't allowed to do that, his response has stayed with me: "Listen, lady---this is America---I can do anything I want to." No, actually, he can't, and the Sushi merchant may be out of line. Lawyers among Hounds, please give us guidance.

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                                                                                  chowser RE: Querencia May 6, 2013 02:36 PM


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                                                                                    Jay F RE: Querencia May 6, 2013 03:51 PM

                                                                                    Maybe it's legal because all the other classes you list can be counted on not to scream and cry and bang their metal toys on tabletops.

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                                                                                      jarona RE: Jay F May 6, 2013 04:05 PM


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                                                                                      Kris in Beijing RE: Querencia May 6, 2013 07:02 PM

                                                                                      It's already perfectly accepted and legal to exclude children/ all individuals under drinking age in some establishments.

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                                                                                        hyacinthgirl RE: Querencia May 7, 2013 11:15 AM

                                                                                        Next thing you know restaurants will start excluding entire social classes just because they can't afford to pay for the meals! I know many times I've shown up at French Laundry and demanded they not discriminate against me because I could only afford $5.25 for dinner.

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                                                                                          Steve RE: Querencia Jun 6, 2013 05:33 AM

                                                                                          I'm not a lawyer, but I did play one on TV.

                                                                                          Minors have never been a protected class. Think voting, driving, beer, cigarettes, NC-17 movies, adult-only residential communities (yes, these exist) and vacation spots.

                                                                                          Just to keep this local:
                                                                                          in Washington DC near the 9:30 Club (a popular music venue which allows teens), the restaurants are packed to the gills and routinely will not permit under 18s without an adult.

                                                                                        2. Firegoat RE: Just Visiting Jun 28, 2013 01:21 PM

                                                                                          Looks like since it opened business has been good.

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                                                                                            NonnieMuss RE: Firegoat Jun 28, 2013 01:42 PM

                                                                                            Glad to hear that. I hope it becomes a trend.

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                                                                                              tcamp RE: Firegoat Jun 28, 2013 02:06 PM

                                                                                              And in case you're interested in their food, not just their clientele, here is a review from WashPost:


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