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Any low-carbing distance runners here?

geekmom Apr 23, 2013 04:51 PM

Just curious if anyone else here successfully stuck to a low carb diet while doing longer-distance runs several times a week? I'm doing fine with low carb for my usual 5-10km distances 3-4 times a week, but just signed up for my first half-marathon (end of Sept) and kind of wondering if the low carb plan may present problems with low energy. I'm doing the Slow Carb Diet where you are allowed meat, veg and legumes but no dairy products, and one cheat day per week which I generally schedule the day before my longest run so that I have extra carbs in my system. I'd be interested to hear about others' experiences.

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    pedalfaster RE: geekmom Apr 23, 2013 05:13 PM

    I'm interested in your post (so thanks!) and will be following.

    Long-time distance runner (several marathons and ultras) who recently became "short-gut". So... new challenges for me. I can "do" dairy...but it doesn't "stick" long with me (so neg. source of energy/calories). Recent convert to the joys of salmon and avocado.

    Hoping to run a marathon this fall. Possibly interesting tidbits/inspiration/pitfalls for you and others. Mostly hope to pick up tips and learn via personal stories here.

    1. mcf RE: geekmom Apr 24, 2013 08:57 AM

      I remembered such studies/papers from my early days of learning low carb:

      Ketogenic diets and physical performance

      http://www.biomedcentral.com/content/...

      It seems to me that if you rely on carbs for fuel, you're at a higher risk of running out or low, whereas if you're in consistent fat burning mode, you have more than adequate stores that last longer.

      After adaptation, and with attention to the issues mentioned in the article.

      I should mention that my husband, no marathoner, still can run 6 hard miles on the treadmill, including on incline, on a very low carb diet after doing some weight training first. He sweats buckets and needs some Morton blended lite salt before and after, is all, or a V-8.

      1. goodhealthgourmet RE: geekmom Apr 24, 2013 09:42 AM

        I've been VLC for years and never had a problem bonking during long runs. As long as your total calorie intake is sufficient, you don't need carbs for energy once your body adapts to using fat and *dietary* protein (not your own muscle!) as fuel. In fact, your energy levels will be more steady and sustained instead of riding the carb roller coaster. If you're eating legumes, you're getting starchy carbs anyway.

        It may take a week or two to adjust, so don't get discouraged or freaked out if at first you're feeling more tired or weak. You'll adjust. If you find that you REALLY can't hack it without carbs, add a serving of sweet potato or other tubers here & there.

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          mcf RE: goodhealthgourmet Apr 24, 2013 10:22 AM

          The point about protein is a really good one, since it converts at a rate of about 58% to glucose, over hours, not rapidly the way carb meals do.

          I know that some ketogenic athletes will sip some dextrose in water or eat a few glucose tabs during a workout, just enough to fuel the immediate activity, and not enough to knock them out of ketosis, too. This way, they don't end up depending on glycogen stores at any time.

        2. geekmom RE: geekmom Apr 24, 2013 12:08 PM

          Thanks for these very interesting replies, especially mcf for the link to the study about indigenous diets in the arctic. Fascinating stuff! I feel encouraged.

          1. ourswimmer RE: geekmom Apr 25, 2013 09:45 PM

            Stephen Phinney, author of the article mcf linked, is co-author of a book called The Art and Science of Low Carbohydrate Performance, which is all about your questions. Another good resource is a website called The Eating Academy, maintained by a guy who is an avid self-experimenter, a dedicated low-carbohydrate eater, and a serious athlete.

            http://eatingacademy.com/

            My answer to your questions from my own experience as an endurance athlete is that a low-carb diet can only improve your ability to complete longer distances, by improving your ability to draw on your stored body fat for fuel. Where you can run into issues is not in doing longer and longer events, but in trying to do them at higher intensities. It's one thing to run a half-marathon or marathon, staying always just at or below your aerobic threshold; it's quite another to race it. Assuming you are well adapted to use body fat, you can run or swim or ride at a modest intensity for hours and not burn through as much muscle glycogen as you would use for a 30-minute race.

            If you are running to win, not just to finish, you may find that a "train low[-carb], race high[-carb]" strategy works best. A book called The Paleo Diet for Athletes gives advice about this strategy, although IMO it suggests far heavier reliance on simple sugars and highly processed food than I think is healthy (or palatable).

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              mcf RE: ourswimmer Apr 26, 2013 06:18 AM

              Also, The Ketogenic Diet, by Lyle McDonald describes cyclical and targeted ketogenic diets to suppport activities and training.

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                geekmom RE: ourswimmer Apr 26, 2013 09:46 AM

                Thanks, this is interesting & I'll check out the resources you recommended. My intensity level is pretty low (I've yet to run 10k in under an hour, for example) so it sounds like based on your experience I should be OK for training to run longer events at a similar pace.

              2. sunangelmb RE: geekmom May 1, 2013 02:24 PM

                I'm a runner (about 25 miles a week, give or take when I'm not in training mode) I also do the insanity workout 6 days a week. I eat pretty low carb, but do include beans, and Greek yogurt. I eat lots of protein and veggies, and usually eat a small amount of carbs ( bread, don't like pasta) the day before a race. Oh, and bananas, always bananas. I fuel during half marathons/marathons with gels, and managed to shave 12 minutes off my time at my last race. I'd say the diet is definitely working for me.

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                  geekmom RE: sunangelmb May 1, 2013 02:28 PM

                  Do you recommend any particular brand of gel? I've heard they often cause digestive upsets.

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                    goodhealthgourmet RE: geekmom May 1, 2013 07:10 PM

                    I've heard they often cause digestive upsets.
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                    Depends on your sensitivity. Clif Shots are made with brown rice syrup & Clif Shot Blocks use brown rice syrup & cane sugar - those are probably the gentlest on the stomach. All the others contain fructose and/or maltodextrin. Oh, and stay away from the Honey Stinger Organic Chews - they contain fructose *and* maltose. Also be aware that some brands contain caffeine, which you may or may not want.

                    Sport Beans use cane & tapioca syrup, but with those you actually have to chew ;)

                    I haven't used energy gels in years, but I recall thinking all the flavors I tried were pretty nasty. You can make your own if you don't find one you like.

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                      sunangelmb RE: goodhealthgourmet May 2, 2013 10:37 AM

                      Ohhhh, I'd love to make my own, how?

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                        goodhealthgourmet RE: sunangelmb May 2, 2013 02:17 PM

                        It's basically just a mixture of liquid sugar (brown rice syrup, honey, tapioca syrup, etc) of varying GIs, plus salt.

                        My preferred base combination:
                        1 1/2 Tbsp organic brown rice syrup (23g carbs)
                        1 1/2 Tbsp organic honey (25.5g carbs)
                        1 Tbsp blackstrap molasses (12g carbs)
                        Pinch (scant 1/16 tsp) of salt

                        That makes the equivalent of 2 packets of most energy gels, so just multiply it according to how much you need. It keeps in the fridge pretty much forever, and you can portion it into mini baggies or an empty gel packet for easy squeezing.

                        Add vanilla or other extract/spices, cocoa or carob powder for flavoring, and even some instant espresso for caffeine.

                        If you do better with a little protein in the mix, stir in your preferred protein powder - using a ratio of 4:1 for carbs to protein, it would be 15g protein (or about 1/2 scoop of the typical whey powder) for one batch of the proportions listed above.

                        Hope that helps!

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                          sunangelmb RE: goodhealthgourmet May 4, 2013 12:13 PM

                          Thank you so much, I'm going to try this.

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                      sunangelmb RE: geekmom May 2, 2013 10:36 AM

                      I use clif shot, and clif shot blocks. They don't upset my tummy, but I definitely recommend trying them on a training run so you don't have any unexpected surprises. They are not that tasty, but really do give me a pump of energy when I'm working on those last few miles, and oh look, they added a hill. ;) I know people who use candy corn, or Swedish fish, but due to my lack of coordination, I can't chew and run.

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                        mcf RE: sunangelmb May 2, 2013 01:52 PM

                        "I know people who use candy corn, or Swedish fish, but due to my lack of coordination, I can't chew and run."

                        LOL... I'm quite sure I'd just end up choking on them, if I ever had sufficient motivation to run, which I lack.

                        Which is fortunate, because I can trip over lint.

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                          sunangelmb RE: mcf May 4, 2013 12:13 PM

                          You made me spit out my coffee with that last line.

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                            mcf RE: sunangelmb May 4, 2013 01:23 PM

                            Sorry. ;-)

                            It's my truth.

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                        Erika L RE: geekmom May 3, 2013 09:26 AM

                        FWIW--the only gel I can use is from Hammer (and I've tried just about all of them). They use long chain maltodextrin. All the others cause me to retain water (to process the carbs) and cramp.

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