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Kris in Beijing Apr 16, 2013 07:20 PM

Here: http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/893316
Ch Mods say:We're not planning to post a definitive statement on how people should use the recommend button. People are already using it in different ways, and I think this will continue to evolve as we roll out other functionalities based on recommends, something we definitely plan on doing.

So--what's YOUR take?

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    HillJ Apr 17, 2013 05:40 AM

    Chowhound use to have a saying, Rate the Chow not the CH.

    http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/183795

    Recommend is a rating system.

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      Kris in Beijing Apr 17, 2013 05:50 AM

      So, HJ, you will use the REC when the Information in a Post is valuable?

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        HillJ Apr 17, 2013 05:53 AM

        I'll use the Recommend button to nominate or vote on a food project like HCDM currently active on the Home Cooking board. It's a time saver as a nomination or voting tool for projects. But I won't be using the Recommend button to express pleasure (agree) or displeasure (disagree) over a comment made by fellow hounds.

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          jrvedivici Apr 17, 2013 06:11 AM

          I use it, but only on people I like. ;-)

          To be perfectly honest I went recommend crazy the first week it was rolled out, then, like a spoiled child by noon on Christmas day, the novelty wore off.

    2. Terrie H. Apr 17, 2013 06:09 AM

      I use it when I agree with the post and would have answered with similar information. Over the 12 years I've been here, it has sometimes felt a bit useless and redundant to see the "me too" and "I agree" posts, which don't add additional information. I think the recommend button might help keep threads more succinct. I don't see it as HillJ says -- not a rating of the person who posts it, but about what they said.

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        HillJ Apr 17, 2013 06:19 AM

        I don't see it as HillJ says -- not a rating of the person who posts it, but about what they said.
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        I appreciate the comment Terrie H. and to be clear with you I wouldn't know that's how you are electing to use the Recommend button without you actually stating it. The "click" tells me very little about your opinion. And for my time spent enjoying a thread, conversations involve conversing not clicking. There's nothing succinct about guessing why you clicked on the Recommend button to a comment for others reading along the same thread. So, it might help you but it doesn't help me when I'm trying to be a part of the same thread.

        I don't see an end to the use of plus 1 or to common replies or redundant threads because CH's like to have a voice and express their opinions in a comment box or by creating a new OP. So for my CH experience, the Recommend button just added a passive; sometimes aggressive reply. Now you can count repeats instead of reading them.

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          Terrie H. Apr 17, 2013 06:52 AM

          Understandable that you aren't a fan for the reasons you have given. I see it as a good feature to agree with a particular post. That's how I see it and use it.

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        HillJ Apr 17, 2013 06:38 AM

        Kris, The CH Team also added the ability to keep track of how many times your comments have been Recommended in your personal profile list of posts. Does that feature give you a good feeling? Some sort of boost to your CH experience? Because that feature really confuses me. If the Recommend is not a rating system, why would we need to know how many times our own comments have been Recommended after the thread has run its course?

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          MGZ Apr 17, 2013 07:05 AM

          "The CH Team also added the ability to keep track of how many times your comments have been Recommended in your personal profile list of posts."

          Really?

          I spose I'm waitin' for them to post our "Recommends" like grades on a schoolhouse wall.

          By the way, apparently, you can use the "Recommend" button for subtle irony too.

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            HillJ Apr 17, 2013 07:16 AM

            Oh, there's nothing subtle about irony MGZ.
            Time for a ride, gotta fly!

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              jrvedivici Apr 17, 2013 07:27 AM

              {{Removing my leather riding glove and swatting MGZ across the face}}

              "I challenge thee to a recommend duel Sir!"

              No, I really don't. You are a far more accomplished contributor to these boards my friend.

              {{Placing my glove back on, mounting my donkey and riding home}}

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                MGZ Apr 17, 2013 07:34 AM

                If you're willin' to risk tryin' on those steel bracelets again, my friend, I suggest we step outside . . . .

            2. re: HillJ
              Kris in Beijing Apr 17, 2013 09:28 AM

              HJ -- I agree that "Personal Tracking" really muddies the way I think about the Rec #'s.

              I OFTEN spend time constructing an OP in Word, and many many times as soon as I read one of my own post I have to go back in and tweak it because I Instantly see that I made something unclear.

              Thus, unfortunately, my emotional reaction to a Rec would be that it was a celebration of my own wordcraft.
              And then I'd probably do an internal Sally Field Oscars dance.

              My Conclusion, for me -- for the time being, I'm not using it.

              -

              In about 6 months, I am going to guess that it will become a synonym for the fB Like indicator.

              WHY?
              Without clear directions, people will use something how ever they want to. People lean toward familiar use of new things. SO MANY people use fB that the overwhelming urge--even the Unconscious urge-- will be to use a REC indicator in the same way as a fB Like.
              Just because we haven't been told otherwise.

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                HillJ Apr 17, 2013 09:33 AM

                I completely follow your own observations. I welcome clear directions and at work people count on me for the same. This "let's offer it and see what "they" do with it dance" in a site moderated for making the wrong move I find out of step and like I said confusing.

                But I recognize that there are Hounds using the button. On whole, use of the Recommend button appears to be pretty light tho.

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              foodieX2 Apr 17, 2013 06:52 AM

              am not really using it in any great way. The few times I have it as in “like” from facebook (meaning great post) but then I still feel like I need to comment! I probably piss a ton of you off, LOL!

              I don't really pay attention to other "recommends" in light of the fact that even a mod (?) here said he sometimes uses at agreement (ie: I ate there/tried it too and agree it's great/bad) but he also uses to note that he likes the way a post is written even if he never ate there/tried it. Since there is no commentary attached to the “recommend” his became worthless to me as I don’t which one it is.

              There are a couple of regular posters I follow and I think I “get” how they are using it so those are little more meaningful.

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                wyogal Apr 24, 2013 02:36 PM

                I also use it as a "like" button, for when I "Like" a post but don't really want to add a comment like, "Yes, I agree."
                I also find it useful when I don't particularly want to jump into a heated discussion, yet still agree with what someone has to say.

              2. juliejulez Apr 17, 2013 10:23 AM

                I personally use it in the voting threads, in the WFD threads when something sounds good but I don't feel the need to create a post that says "That sounds great!". I also use it in other threads where someone says what I was going to say or was thinking... in the place of posting "Agreed" or "me too!" If I DON'T agree and feel strongly about it, I'll post... but if I'm just neutral, I'll not respond at all, which is most of the time, since I approach life in the "don't sweat the small stuff" mentality.

                I love the feature actually.

                1. jen kalb Apr 18, 2013 09:13 AM

                  Im a technological dinosaur, but i dont use this except where I have to (i.e. in the COTM voting). Ive considered using it, but there is a big difference between finding a particular post valuable on a site with non-threaded recommendations such a TA or Yelp and in a threaded discussion context such as Chowhound. Even if a particular post is good, its usually the thread, not a particular post that I might want to reference. i dont find picking out the "star" comment or poster in a thread as a community friendly activity.

                  if I find a particular poster's comments particularly useful or intelligent, I can always follow them so this adds nothing for me, maybe some context for newbies, but I find the undercutting of community more troubling.

                  1. Tripeler Apr 18, 2013 10:01 PM

                    I used the Recommend feature on posts that I feel have particularly valuable information or insight, and invariably they are posts by people I am familiar with.

                    1. NonnieMuss Apr 24, 2013 01:04 PM

                      I use it as a "Like" button on Facebook. I also check to see if I have any recommends under my post, then silently "squeeee!" if I get one.

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                        Servorg Apr 24, 2013 02:07 PM

                        "...then silently "squeeee!" if I get one."

                        That made me laugh...mostly because my reaction is "Ha, take that you that disagree with me and who didn't get any!" ;-D>

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                        Hobbert Apr 24, 2013 01:13 PM

                        I use it in place of saying "yep, this"...mostly because I hate opening a thread with new comments and all the comments say are "+1" or "well said". I had no idea you could determine how often you've been recommended (other than actually looking at the comment) and, frankly, I'll never use it. But I like the recommend button.

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                          HillJ Apr 24, 2013 01:48 PM

                          I find the recommend button distracting from the conversation and far more distracting than a plus one ever was.

                          When the button was first launched you couldn't see the recommends unless you reopened a read thread (by opening individual comment boxes) now you can see the number of recommends made but you can't read the comment unless you open a previously read comment. So what's more important the discussion or the # of recommends made? Whirly.

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                            MGZ Apr 24, 2013 02:23 PM

                            As you know, I didn't want any type of "facebookization" of the Site. The "Recommend" button seemed like a step in that direction, so I was initially opposed. Nonetheless, I have noticed that the feature has been bein' used by some newer 'hounds who otherwise might just be lurkin'. It seems to me that this permits such folks to start participating more even if they don't feel like otherwise barkin' at the Alphas.

                            I spose, I'm startin' to see how it may be good for all of us. I may be an old dog, but I guess I still have some tricks to learn. The World keeps spinnin . . . .

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                              HillJ Apr 25, 2013 05:59 AM

                              Another unfortunate outcome from the redesign is the nesting of a comment once read. If a CH is going back into their comment to ETA additional comments or to edit after their post was initially read, some of us are missing out on a full comment. So while others are using the Recommend button to give cred to a full comment-others are missing out.

                              The Recommend button and design of nested comments ruined the flow of conversation for me.

                              I always said if the day came that I couldn't give value to the community, I'd bow out grateful.

                              J

                              1. re: HillJ
                                MGZ Apr 25, 2013 06:01 AM

                                From where I'm sittin', you give value most every day.

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                                  Dave MP Apr 25, 2013 08:54 AM

                                  Hey HillJ,

                                  I'm confused about what you mean by "another unfortunate outcome from the redesign is the nesting of a comment once read" --- this is the way Chowhound worked before, too, right? So I'm not sure what the problem is? If you could explain what you mean here, that would be great!

                                  I'm a little confused about the second sentence here, too: "If a CH is going back into their comments to ETA additional comments or edit after the post was initially read, some of us are missing out..." --- again, not sure if this is any different than how it's been for the past several years?

                                  So, let me know, hopefully we can help out!

                                  Dave MP

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                                    KaimukiMan Apr 26, 2013 10:49 AM

                                    yes, i was confused too.

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                                      hannaone Apr 26, 2013 02:47 PM

                                      [I'm a little confused about the second sentence here, too: "If a CH is going back into their comments to ETA additional comments or edit after the post was initially read, some of us are missing out..."]

                                      When an edit is made to a post, there is nothing to indicate the post was edited.

                                      I read a post by xyz at 4:15pm. xyz edits the post at 4:16pm. I look at the thread again at 5:00pm and skip right over the edited post by xyz because the post is "closed", indicating that I have already viewed that post, so I miss any added information.
                                      And yes it has been that way for a long time.

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                                        Dave MP Apr 26, 2013 02:58 PM

                                        So, let me make sure I am summarizing correctly:

                                        Current behavior: If a user goes back to edit their post, and you've already read it, you'll have no way of knowing that it's been changed since you last saw it.

                                        Desired behavior: If a user goes back to edit their post, and you've already read it, it will be considered "new" again in your view, and it will be expanded when you see it again.

                                        I understand this concept, but I am not sure it's possible for us to do that. I will mention though that this is a big reason why users *can't* edit posts after a 2 hour window. Discussions would start to make little sense if people could go back and change their posts at any time, since this would ruin the flow of a discussion.

                                        I like to think of Chowhound as an ongoing conversation between people, like what might take place in person. You can't go back and erase what you already said, but there is always opportunity to say more in order to clarify, or even change your mind about something.

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                                          hannaone Apr 27, 2013 09:37 AM

                                          Personally I don't think it matters very much, but a few other hounds have mentioned this in the past.

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                                            HillJ Apr 27, 2013 10:35 AM

                                            Now tie that in with the new Recommend feature and the "way it always was" has changed a bit. Fellow 'hounds are hitting the Recommend button to emphasize agreement with a specific comment OK, but another 'hound who came upon the thread earlier for a read did not see the change to that specific comment (now closed as read) as additional or edited. While the two hour window exists to ETA, it also exists to delete and edit a comment. If getting on board with the latest redesign of the new Recommend feature means seeing a tally of Recommend numbers to the right of a now closed comment, that # has little meaning to what the actual comment may be. Comments change within the two hour window all the time.

                                            Unlike a live ongoing conversation you CAN change and erase your comment on CH. That two hour window is plenty of time to change, clarify, or change your mind. Used often.

                                            DMP, I hope this clarifies my earlier comment. Thank you Hannaone for stepping in and addressing a small portion.

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                                              Servorg Apr 27, 2013 11:06 AM

                                              Of course if there really is some substantive change to a post after we have either "recommended" it or replied to it we can always add another reply addressing that situation, or edit our own first reply if still in the 2 hour window. And really, what harm will come to any of us if something actually gets missed (lost in edit-lation?) by any of us here? Can it matter in the way we will live our lives? Can't see how (taking the larger, philosophical view of this issue).

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                                                HillJ Apr 27, 2013 01:21 PM

                                                There's no philosophical view on my part. If I can't answer DMP's question as to what I meant without the pysch 101, I don't know what else to say. I made an observation, I attempted to clarify it. If there's no room to question a CH feature or design that's a new one on me.

                                                For instance, when CH's ask for an Ignore feature when the option to avoid a thread or individual comment is easy to implement, do we treat that request with the same philosophical view, Servorg? That ?'s been asked and answered many times.

                                                But, it also appears we can always remove our Recommend by un clicking it too. So the Recommend button is lost on me. I don't get it. My loss, perhaps.

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                                                  Servorg Apr 27, 2013 01:31 PM

                                                  Okay. Drop all the philosophy and just consider the first part of my reply:

                                                  "Of course if there really is some substantive change to a post after we have either "recommended" it or replied to it we can always add another reply addressing that situation, or edit our own first reply if still in the 2 hour window."

                                                  As far as your comment "But, it also appears we can always remove our Recommend by un clicking it too. So this feature is lost on me." I would say that the PthatB are giving us the option to change our minds on our recommending the post if that poster comes back and either amends their comments in the 2 hour edit window or posts some corollary comments that no longer make sense to us.

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                                                    HillJ Apr 27, 2013 01:35 PM

                                                    I get the why. I opt for not. What's lost on me is the appeal.
                                                    Thanks for playing along. :)

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                                                      Servorg Apr 27, 2013 01:52 PM

                                                      See, that's the thing. You can play along, or not. Just like with the recommend button. The power is in your hands...use it wisely. Which may mean not using it at all, Grasshopper...

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                                                        HillJ Apr 27, 2013 02:08 PM

                                                        Of course, that is "the thing" from the start of this thread that asked: How are YOU/ would you be/ do you want to be using the Recommend feature?

                                                        Which I answered. (was it an unpopular reply, seems so).

                                                        As I said, I don't happen to be a fan of this particular feature. And so far I've used it once to vote on a Dish of the Month. As a voting tool I think Recommend is a good idea.

                                                        Happier being a grasshopper, over a sheep? Yes.

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                                                          Servorg Apr 27, 2013 02:13 PM

                                                          I know I'm a sheep. I graze here on the Chowhound lea way, way too often...

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                                    foodieX2 Apr 24, 2013 02:25 PM

                                    Wait- there is a place that has a tally of them by poster? Where? On our profile?

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                                      DeborahL Apr 24, 2013 05:31 PM

                                      Hi foodieX2.

                                      Yep, we just recently added a Recommend count to profile pages. So if you go to your profile and click Posts under the Activity tab, then you will see Recommend counts in the Last Reply column, if there are any Recommends.

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                                        foodieX2 Apr 24, 2013 05:33 PM

                                        Interesting. What was the thought process behind this?

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                                          Jacquilynne Apr 24, 2013 06:00 PM

                                          People were interested in being able to see when their posts had been recommended, and we wanted to make that possible.

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                                            foodieX2 Apr 24, 2013 06:06 PM

                                            Thanks for the response but didn't you already do that by moving it to the right of the collapsed replies? Why add this too? There are so many other things people want to see/have it seems odd that this was prioritized two ways….

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                                              Jacquilynne Apr 24, 2013 07:59 PM

                                              The view on the replies let's anybody see if a post has been recommended while they're viewing that discussion. But if someone is interested in knowing if any of their posts have received recommendations, they'd have to step through and view each discussion individually to find that out.

                                              This isn't comprehensive since it's only recent posts, but it is a single page where they can get see the information for their posts. It saves them a lot of clicking and scrolling to look for recommends that might not even be there.

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                                                jackiecat Apr 28, 2013 05:11 PM

                                                That is exactly what I was afraid of when I decided not to use the recommend button. I'd don't want that information tied to me personally in any way.

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                                          hyacinthgirl Apr 26, 2013 01:39 PM

                                          Damnit, until now I didn't realize that nobody likes my posts!

                                      2. KaimukiMan Apr 24, 2013 05:01 PM

                                        I try not to use it as a simple like button. I try not to use it only for things I agree with. I try not to use it to bolster one opinion over another in a running 'discussion'.

                                        What I do use it for is when I think the poster had an important point that other posters would do well to consider - even if it is not my point of view.

                                        More succinctly, I use it to indicate "Recommended Reading."

                                        1. Kris in Beijing Apr 25, 2013 06:15 PM

                                          OP here.
                                          I've just made my personal decision about the Recommend feature.

                                          No.
                                          NO no no no no, not ever.

                                          What would drive me to this practically violent conclusion?

                                          I just saw a thread from a Decade Ago resuscitated with a completely non-food, somewhat off-topic sarcastic comment.

                                          And someone else had "liked" it.

                                          Shudder.

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