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Wine Pairing for Blackberry Cobbler

lgreif Apr 11, 2013 09:16 PM

Going to a dinner party this weekend and have been asked to bring wine to go with a dessert of blackberry cobbler. Any suggestions? Thanks!

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    TombstoneShadow RE: lgreif Apr 12, 2013 07:21 PM

    Easy... any of these will be very nice,

    Dessert vouvray
    Moscato d' Asti (if you like a little frizzy element)
    or... a Dessert Riesling

    you could also do a Sauternes here quite nicely but all-in-all I'd generally reach for one or all of the above first...

    The problem is that unless you're in a fairly large city with a well-stocked wineshop(s) you're not likely to find a great Vouvray. So that leaves the dessert (or "late harvest") Riesling as your most ubiquitous easy-to-find match here, IMO, probably followed by the Sauternes and Moscato. But they all would work great, just depends on availability in your area.

    Enjoy... tell 'em the Shadow sent you :)

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    1. re: TombstoneShadow
      lgreif RE: TombstoneShadow Apr 13, 2013 07:08 AM

      Thank you!!

    2. Robert Lauriston RE: lgreif Apr 13, 2013 11:05 AM

      Maybe Brachetto. It's similar to Moscato d'Asti but made with red grapes and has some more complex flavors that would probably match nicely with blackberries.

      1. Chinon00 RE: lgreif Apr 13, 2013 02:35 PM

        What about Port?

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          Robert Lauriston RE: Chinon00 Apr 14, 2013 10:34 AM

          Yeah, I was thinking that too. Especially if the cobbler is very sweet.

          1. re: Chinon00
            TombstoneShadow RE: Chinon00 Apr 14, 2013 11:21 AM

            to my palate port is more interesting if there's a nut, cheese, or chocolate element to the dessert. I don't associate it so much with a fruit-dominated dessert, but that's a palate thing.

            1. re: TombstoneShadow
              Robert Lauriston RE: TombstoneShadow Apr 14, 2013 11:48 AM

              I don't think any wine will show its best paired with a sweet dessert, but that's already a given in this situation.

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                Chinon00 RE: TombstoneShadow Apr 14, 2013 02:02 PM

                Yeah I was thinking w/ port maybe some cream on the cobbler would help.

            2. maria lorraine RE: lgreif Apr 14, 2013 06:34 PM

              What I'd pair: Vanilla ice cream and great coffee.

              No wine pairing will work really well. The sweetness of the cobbler is one issue; the wine
              will have to be more sweet than the cobbler, otherwise it will taste sour. Since it sounds as if you won't have control of the sweetness of the cobbler, that's problematic.

              Even if you did, the powerful flavor of the blackberry cobbler is another issue. While port and the cobbler have a bit of a common "berry" flavor, and while Sauternes is always lovely, the flavor of both will be drowned out by the intense blackberry flavor of the cobbler. So nothing really works well.

              You could bring a dessert wine to have as another dessert (and I'd choose a late-harvest botrytis-affected something), but it won't go *with* the cobbler, meaning it won't enhance the cobbler.

              So, coffee. And vanilla ice cream.

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                Chinon00 RE: maria lorraine Apr 14, 2013 07:20 PM

                I agree with everything you've stated. Howvever I'm always challenged by folks in regard to suggesting coffee with a sweet dessert on one hand while also stating that the beverage must be sweeter than the dessert. I have a rationale for why coffee works despite not being sweeter but I want to hear yours first.

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                  maria lorraine RE: Chinon00 Apr 23, 2013 10:46 PM

                  <<Howvever I'm always challenged by folks in regard to suggesting coffee with a sweet dessert on one hand while also stating that the beverage must be sweeter than the dessert. I have a rationale for why coffee works despite not being sweeter but I want to hear yours first.>>

                  Sorry for the late reply. Here are a few reasons coffee works, at least to me:

                  1. Coffee bitterness tones down sweetness.
                  2. Coffee flavors including bitterness add complexity to total flavor.
                  3. Temperature contrast to cold ice cream. Interesting to the palate -- tactile and sensual. Hot coffee, cold ice cream. Same principle as hot cobbler, cold ice cream.
                  4. Heat of coffee blooms other flavors.
                  5. Heat of coffee melts fat in crust, makes it more emollient. Contributes to good mouthfeel.
                  6. Coffee with cream flavor commonality with ice cream. Seamless flavor bridge.
                  7. Very subtle berry commonality with coffee and blackberry.

                  1. re: maria lorraine
                    TombstoneShadow RE: maria lorraine Apr 24, 2013 01:58 AM

                    Coffee definitely works here...


                    there are some wines that are as good or better, or why not have both... if you're a true gluttonous gourmand like me...

                    1. re: maria lorraine
                      Chinon00 RE: maria lorraine Apr 24, 2013 10:46 AM

                      I agree w/ everything you've stated. Basically it's the heat and the roast flavors

                  2. re: maria lorraine
                    chefdilettante RE: maria lorraine Apr 15, 2013 08:51 AM

                    I think this is the wisest way to think about it.

                    My only "out of the box" thought would be a pairing in which the sourness of the beverage would be enhanced intentionally (and possibly pleasurably). So, what about a Lambic ale? A cassis or blueberry might work. I've never actually tried this pairing so I'd be curious to hear if anyone on the board has or has also had this thought.

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                      Chinon00 RE: chefdilettante Apr 15, 2013 09:52 AM

                      Only thing close was chocolate and a highly hopped IPA (Hop Stoopid). The fat and bitterness cancelled each other out and all that was left was lemony citrus from the beer and some residual chocolate. Quite nice.

                      1. re: Chinon00
                        TombstoneShadow RE: Chinon00 Apr 15, 2013 10:50 AM

                        now IPA and chocolate, hello.... this I'm going to have to try... if it works you get all the credit...

                        Might even top the most serendipitous flavor combo I think I've ever experienced: horseradish and kiwi :)

                        BTW, what chocolate percentage are we talking?

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                          Chinon00 RE: TombstoneShadow Apr 15, 2013 11:53 AM

                          I tried it across a wide range. IIRC the drier ones worked well as did the richer sweeter chocolates. Ones in the middle weren't as good but still interesting. And I'd suggest trying it w/ a fuller bodied IPA.

                    2. re: maria lorraine
                      HoosierFoodie RE: maria lorraine Apr 24, 2013 10:46 AM

                      I don't completely disagree but that wasn't the question. They were asked to bring a wine.

                      Maybe a tawny port? Otherwise I like the sweet white suggestions above, too.

                      1. re: HoosierFoodie
                        maria lorraine RE: HoosierFoodie Apr 24, 2013 10:49 AM

                        Wine isn't the best pairing option for every dish. I offered some wine suggestions earlier, but think John Gonzales's late-harvest Zin suggestion has the best chance of working if there must be a wine. Especially a late-harvest Zin like Bella -- it has complementary flavors (raspberry preserves) and almost enough intensity to pair with the blackberry cobbler.

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                      john gonzales RE: lgreif Apr 15, 2013 12:02 AM

                      late harvest zin

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                        TombstoneShadow RE: john gonzales Apr 15, 2013 10:51 AM

                        now that's interesting. Conceptually I like it better than port...

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                          collioure RE: john gonzales Apr 25, 2013 01:05 PM

                          I signed on to john's LH Zin suggestion too.

                          Also consider Quady Elysium.

                        2. ChefJune RE: lgreif Apr 24, 2013 01:39 PM

                          I'd like the Brachetto d'Acqui (sparkling red from Piedmont Italy) with blackberries...

                          1. Bill Hunt RE: lgreif Apr 27, 2013 08:39 PM

                            Black Muscat.


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