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Please check my Chinatown Itinerary....

mcel215 Apr 11, 2013 01:01 PM

I'm takin a small group of out of town/state people to Chinatown on a Saturday.

Here is a few places I thought of to do. Please tell me what to add or drop, because I have been reading both new and older posts. Thanks.

Mei Sum Bakery - Bahn Mi
Eldo - Egg tart, sponge cake and Beef Curry Turnover
Ho Yuen Ting - Coconut Bun

Either Dumpling Cafe or Best Little Restaurant
Should I go to DC just for Taiwan Bun, or stay for lunch.
Went to Best Little and liked it there, great pork ribs and lettuce wraps.

Bubble Tea at 163?

C-Mart for Shopping afterward. Also, is there any other market specialty store I should put on my list? Chinatown is now spread out to across Kneeland (highway) and would like to show them a nice day. We will park in one of the lots in Chinatown and be walking, which is fine. But I may have missed things the last time I went in.

Thanks in advance. BTW, I have searched for any unique finds, but no luck.


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    hargau RE: mcel215 Apr 11, 2013 01:23 PM

    My fav bubble tea is at Great Taste, good bakery there too. I like the buns with the yellow custard inside and the yellow crust on top.. Sometimes called pineapple buns but not all pineapple buns have the cream in them. I think they call them "custard buns". I hear the restaurant is also very good but have not eaten there.
    I usually park in the garage across the highway above Hei La Moon, if you eat some dimsum at HLM they will give you a discounted parking ticket. there is a decent grocery store in that block as well.
    The lots seem to cost more than the garages from what i have experienced. there is another garage on Beach street

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      mcel215 RE: hargau Apr 11, 2013 04:48 PM

      Thanks hargau,

      I'll check out GT. The lots are about $22 dollars for the day, which isn't too bad for the convenience.

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        hyde RE: hargau Apr 13, 2013 02:01 PM

        That garage is 12usd for the day on weekends.

        Was there today, and then went over to Winsor (which is where Ten Tyler once was. Then they moved out to Four Corners in Newton and changed. sigh) and ate about 7000 calories of dim sum after working all night.

        now my stomach hurts.

      2. MC Slim JB RE: mcel215 Apr 11, 2013 01:30 PM

        I really like Dumpling Cafe, but if you're chow-crawling and only get one dish, I think their XLB ("mini juicy pork or pork/crab buns") are the best in the neighborhood.

        Also check out:

        Eagle Kitchen Supply on Lincoln St. Cooking and serving supplies.

        Shojo on Tyler St for cocktails at its charming little bar.

        Chinatown Hit on Harrison Ave near Beach St for kitschy, cheap, tacky clothing, shoes, housewares, decorations, counterfeit designer goods and souvenirs.


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        1. re: MC Slim JB
          mcel215 RE: MC Slim JB Apr 11, 2013 04:46 PM

          Thanks MC, between you and Kenji (SE), I am sold on those XLB buns at DC. We will definately stop for those.

          And thanks for the other tips too.


        2. StriperGuy RE: mcel215 Apr 11, 2013 01:34 PM

          Also try the Portuguese tart at Best Little... possibly my favorite dessert in Boston, period.

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            mcel215 RE: StriperGuy Apr 11, 2013 04:49 PM

            Thanks SG,

            I love Best Little, and what a funny name for an Asian dessert. Will definately check it out. :)


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              Luther RE: mcel215 Apr 12, 2013 03:50 AM

              It's called "Portuguese" because it's basically pasteis de nata crossed with a HK egg tart (invented in Macau).

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                Alcachofa RE: mcel215 Apr 12, 2013 06:44 AM

                Can't speak for SG, but I'm pretty sure he meant the Portuguese tart at Great Taste Bakery, on Beach St. I'm a big fan of that dessert, too. Very delicate flavor.

                I'm also a big fan of Best Little, for all that other stuff, too.

                Big fan.

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                  StriperGuy RE: Alcachofa Apr 12, 2013 07:26 AM

                  Sorry you got it right Alcachofa, meant to say Great Taste for the tart...

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                    hargau RE: StriperGuy Apr 12, 2013 09:09 AM

                    I dont notice much difference between the Portuguese tart and the normal egg tarts. Its as if the portuguese one is just put under the broiler for a bit to darken up the tops..

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                      gourmaniac RE: hargau Apr 12, 2013 12:13 PM

                      I find them milkier and less eggy than the egg tarts in addition to the broiling.

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                        StriperGuy RE: hargau Apr 12, 2013 12:22 PM

                        Not my experience. Much more like an Italian Panna Cotta. Just perfection in a tiny tart shell. Delicate, just the right amount of sweetness, none of the egginess of the custards (which I like just fine) totally different beast.

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                          hargau RE: StriperGuy Apr 12, 2013 02:31 PM

                          I will have to try them again. I typically just get bubble tea and pass on the baked goods as its always after stuffing myself at HLM.

              2. Allstonian RE: mcel215 Apr 11, 2013 02:01 PM

                RE: shopping at C-Mart, keep this in mind:

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                  MC Slim JB RE: Allstonian Apr 11, 2013 02:08 PM

                  Isn't there a small C-Mart in the rear of the building that Hei La Moon is in, entrance on Beach Street on the other side of the Surface Road near Lincoln? I'm hoping that is still the case, as the Washington Street one was where we got all the tea for our office.


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                    antimony RE: MC Slim JB Apr 11, 2013 02:12 PM

                    Yes. That's actually the one I always go to, as somehow I'd thought that was the big one. Are/were there three of them?

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                      MC Slim JB RE: antimony Apr 11, 2013 02:16 PM

                      There are currently three: Beach St at Lincoln, Washington at Beach (both Chinatown), and Washington at Herald in the South End.

                      Probably more accurate to call the second one Knapp Street at Beach, as they've kept the Washington Street entrance locked for a few months now (which scared me as a fire hazard).


                  2. re: Allstonian
                    mcel215 RE: Allstonian Apr 11, 2013 04:45 PM


                    This is terrible news. Thank you so much for telling me, we go there all the time when in CT. I am lucky to live near H-Mart in Burlington, so I won't really miss out. But, the last time I was there it was mobed, so I know the place will be missed.


                    1. re: Allstonian
                      9lives RE: Allstonian Apr 11, 2013 05:53 PM

                      We've been doing most of our Ctown shopping at Sun Sun on Oxford x seafood. Not the selection of CMart but better quality and rarely a line. We generally found long lines at CMart..Washington/Knapp.

                      We get seafood at Happy Family on Hudson St

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                      antimony RE: mcel215 Apr 11, 2013 02:10 PM

                      The purple taro crepe-wrapped taro buns at 101 are one of my favorites. Also, all of their items have ingredient listings set out in English, so if anyone has limitations and wants pastries, head there.

                      163 is my go-to for bahn mi, but I'm vegetarian and their mock duck is great; meat-eaters may rank bahn mi differently.

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                        mcel215 RE: antimony Apr 11, 2013 04:53 PM

                        Thanks ant,

                        I am still torn about the Mei Sum bakery and 163 for Bahn Mi. :)


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                        femmevox RE: mcel215 Apr 11, 2013 02:47 PM

                        I definitely do NOT recommend the Dumpling Cafe. The last two meals I had there were very disappointing.

                        I think you're better off at Windsor (dim sum--see other posts about what's good-- AND you can also get other things off the full menu).

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                          mcel215 RE: femmevox Apr 11, 2013 04:56 PM

                          Thanks fem,

                          I've read great things about Windsor and will definately give them a try one of these times.


                          1. re: mcel215
                            KWagle RE: mcel215 Apr 11, 2013 09:41 PM

                            Winsor should be at the top of your list, this time.

                          2. re: femmevox
                            9lives RE: femmevox Apr 14, 2013 06:58 AM

                            Has anyone been to Bubor Cha Cha for their dim sum? I was going there last year and think it compares favorably with Winsor..also a no cart operation.

                            Don't get me wrong. I still love Winsor and they have what I consider 1 of the best dishes in class..the stirfried turnip cake with chives and xo, but BCC was also putting out some great quality food.

                            Haven't been for dim sum in a little while but we're going to BCC today.

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                              MC Slim JB RE: 9lives Apr 14, 2013 08:11 AM

                              I've quite enjoyed Bubor, though it took me a while to realize they'd switched to a dim sum format. Still wouldn't put it over Winsor, but it's very good. I prefer cartless, too.


                              1. re: 9lives
                                Jenny Ondioline RE: 9lives Apr 15, 2013 07:39 AM

                                I'd take Bubor over Winsor any day of the week. Greater variety, better quality.

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                                  maillard RE: Jenny Ondioline Apr 15, 2013 09:27 AM

                                  When did you go to Bubor for dim sum? I went for dinner one night and the menu I got was much smaller than the one online. I was still able to find plenty to order and their barbecue pork buns were definitely better than Winsor. Everything else was about equal, though, and the food also took well over an hour to come out. It was a little nuts. Is this typical? I definitely will be back (those buns!), but will probably try to go on the weekend and hope to get the whole menu. I was really excited about how much variety was on the online menu, so it was a little sad to get a very tiny menu to choose from.

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                                    Jenny Ondioline RE: maillard Apr 15, 2013 09:49 AM

                                    That dinner visit may indeed have been the issue -- the weekend brunch menu is extensive, and the food came out quite promptly. Try it again on a weekend morning and you'll probably have much better luck. And you're right, the cha siu (which is my baseline dish for dim sum) at Bubor is definitely superior to Winsor's.

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                                      maillard RE: Jenny Ondioline Apr 15, 2013 09:58 AM

                                      Thanks, that's great to hear! I will definitely go back for weekend brunch.

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                                      MC Slim JB RE: maillard Apr 15, 2013 10:00 AM

                                      Been for weekday dim sum at the lunch hour at Bubor; big menu (50 items), fast service.


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                                        maillard RE: MC Slim JB Apr 15, 2013 10:15 AM

                                        Thanks, that's good to know that it's not only on weekends, just not for dinner. I will make sure to just go earlier in the day in the future. I'm excited to try out the whole menu.

                                        1. re: MC Slim JB
                                          Jenny Ondioline RE: MC Slim JB Apr 15, 2013 11:20 AM

                                          Oh, excellent to know!

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                                            gourmaniac RE: Jenny Ondioline Apr 15, 2013 11:32 AM

                                            I've been one of Bubor Cha Cha's big supporters but have noticed a slight slippage the last couple of times. Still OK but something as changed such that the everything had been a closer to Winsor or HLM. Perhaps a chef change?

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                                              Nab RE: gourmaniac Apr 16, 2013 05:34 AM

                                              I too wonder about this, gourmaniac. Two weeks ago I brought a crew of visiting folks (including old Boston hound, Dax) over to Bubor for dim sum and they were clearly missing the mark on most dishes that are otherwise strengths of the kitchen (shu mai, rice noodle rolls, gravies).

                                              Most of the chow chatter on Bubor lately has been regarding their dim sum but I would encourage folks to explore their extensive (binders full) dinner menu with particular emphasis on live seafood and Cantonese cookery. Since we're rank ordering, I'd put em somewhere above Peach Farm and under Best Lil' for this kind of fare.

                                              And curiously, a few of the Malaysian menu items have survived the transition. Probably worth trying if only for the fact that they're one of possibly 3 places to find such dishes.

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                                                MC Slim JB RE: Nab Apr 16, 2013 05:37 AM

                                                I know Penang: what's the third?


                                                1. re: MC Slim JB
                                                  Nab RE: MC Slim JB Apr 16, 2013 06:33 AM

                                                  Royal East in Cambridge which, apparently, the Island Hoppah folks have a hand in:


                                                  Pho Basil also has a faux roti canai kind of dish, and I seem to recall seeing a char kway teow on their menu as well but don't see it now. The menu is all over the continent and I'm again reminded that I need to try their khao soi.

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                                                9lives RE: gourmaniac Apr 16, 2013 06:55 AM

                                                Gourmaniac, That sums up our experience on Sunday. BCC is still very good but not quite up to our last trip a few months ago. Stll enjoyed. We also got a chow foon dish that was very good.

                                  2. mcel215 RE: mcel215 Apr 11, 2013 04:57 PM

                                    Thanks everyone,

                                    I'll report back, going in on April 20th. And I want my friends to love it as much as I do. :)


                                    1. Luther RE: mcel215 Apr 12, 2013 03:52 AM

                                      Ho Yuen = the bakery you're thinking of for coconut bun
                                      Ho Yuen Ting = the old name for Yat Ding Ho (Best Little Restaurant)

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                                        gourmaniac RE: mcel215 Apr 12, 2013 05:31 AM

                                        Good list and suggestions by others. If you do Best Little Restaurant, I think the things you liked are better than their lunch plates so order from the dinner menu. Other lunch possibilities are Peach Farm (salt and pepper something) and I think their beef based dishes are better than other places, China King (Shanghai noodles), New Golden Gate City (better wok hei), Taiwan cafe (pork chop on rice, eggplant with basil).

                                        1. lipoff RE: mcel215 Apr 12, 2013 07:12 AM

                                          Your itinerary sounds fine --- there are many good options in Chinatown.

                                          Personally, I like Taiwan Cafe best, and also like Winsor Dim Sum Cafe for dim sum. I much prefer Dumpling Cafe to Gourmet Dumpling House.

                                          For Banh Mi I do prefer Mei Sum (although not as much as Banh Mi Ba Le in Dorchester). For bubble tea I like Juice Bar. in addition to your choices at Eldo, I would also recommend the tai yuan bing (sometimes called sun cakes) at Great Taste Bakery.

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                                            KWagle RE: lipoff Apr 12, 2013 08:45 PM

                                            mm. I've had some quite decent meals at GDH and my few experiences with DC didn't make me anxious to return. I still haven't tried BLR. :-(

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                                            ButterBuddha RE: mcel215 Apr 12, 2013 08:53 PM

                                            Best banh mi is vietnamese sandwhich shop near DK

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                                              ButterBuddha RE: mcel215 Apr 12, 2013 08:54 PM

                                              Best bubble tea is DK

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                                                mcel215 RE: ButterBuddha Apr 15, 2013 05:40 AM

                                                I am thinking you mean Dumpling Cafe? No? Thanks.


                                                1. re: mcel215
                                                  MC Slim JB RE: mcel215 Apr 15, 2013 06:54 AM

                                                  Might mean Dong Khanh, a Chinese-run (I believe) Vietnamese place on Harrison.


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                                                    ButterBuddha RE: MC Slim JB Apr 15, 2013 05:29 PM

                                                    Again yes what slim said

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                                                ButterBuddha RE: mcel215 Apr 12, 2013 08:55 PM

                                                I'd recommend best little over dumpling cafe , the dumpling place is more touristy

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                                                  ac106 RE: ButterBuddha Apr 13, 2013 05:39 AM

                                                  Touristy? Are they Chinese tourists? Because almost every single time I have been there, I have been on only white guy.

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                                                    MC Slim JB RE: ac106 Apr 13, 2013 05:57 AM

                                                    I didn't understand that comment, either. Gourmet Dumpling House seems to have a much larger white audience, in my experience. Doesn't make it bad, but it's a noticeable difference between the two. GDH often has lines as a result.


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                                                      Allstonian RE: MC Slim JB Apr 13, 2013 06:53 AM

                                                      Yes, I suspect ButterBuddha may be confusing Gourmet Dumpling House, which has become very touristy, and Dumpling Cafe, which still seems to be off a lot of peoples' radar.

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                                                        ButterBuddha RE: Allstonian Apr 13, 2013 12:09 PM

                                                        I did indeed make that confusion and apologize, was kind of out of it late last night when I posted.

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                                                          ScotchandSirloin RE: ButterBuddha Apr 13, 2013 01:42 PM

                                                          I honestly don't think any of them are touristy. GDH clearly gets the most press and DC has the best XLB (but IMHO worse food generally than GDH or Taiwan Cafe). There are always a significant number of Asian people at all 3, and I for one don't find the number of white people to be a significant indicator of anything (other than perhaps the amount of press that is read by non-Asians a restaurant gets). I'm not Asian and think I am a pretty good judge of Chinese food, Italian food, Mexican food, etc. It actually bothers me greatly the implication that the more people who look like me are in a Chinese restaurant, the worse it is.

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                                                            ButterBuddha RE: ScotchandSirloin Apr 13, 2013 08:21 PM

                                                            I actually find the opposite to be true, the more non Asian people at a restaurant usually seems to indicate that it's good because it breaks the cultural boundaries. It's so good that its not limited to one target crowd.

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                                                              Luther RE: ButterBuddha Apr 14, 2013 06:55 AM

                                                              Can you give some examples?

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                                                                MC Slim JB RE: ButterBuddha Apr 14, 2013 08:09 AM

                                                                And then there's the day I was having lunch at Peach Farm, went around the room, and 90% of the white people were having General Gau's chicken. It's a kind of cross-culturalism, I suppose.


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                                                                  ScotchandSirloin RE: MC Slim JB Apr 14, 2013 01:08 PM

                                                                  Are you saying that Peach Farm isn't good because there are white people there, because I think it is very good at what it does (anything from the tanks and S&P especially), or just that the white people who go there don't know what to order? I can agree with the second, but don't see how the number of white people has anything to do with the first.

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                                                                    MC Slim JB RE: ScotchandSirloin Apr 14, 2013 01:38 PM

                                                                    Nope: I quite like Peach Farm, frequent it for Hong Kong style live-tank seafood and traditional Cantonese fare. But I am skeptical of the notion that attracting a lot of white faces necessarily means anything useful, especially if most of them are ordering the same American-Chinese junk that they could get anywhere. I don't see that as breaking cultural boundaries, but being fearful of crossing them. In any event, that's a reflection on the customer, not the restaurant.


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                                                                      KWagle RE: MC Slim JB Apr 15, 2013 05:21 PM

                                                                      Indeed. Look for the a *failure* to attract the Asian crowd.

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                                                    ButterBuddha RE: mcel215 Apr 13, 2013 12:13 PM

                                                    Not sure if you like something to snack on but the pancake lady in that little mini indoor plaza makes simple bite sized pancakes for cheap, similar to the ones you find in NY on the street vendors.

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                                                      mcel215 RE: ButterBuddha Apr 15, 2013 05:36 AM

                                                      I'd love to try something like this BB, where is the mini indoor plaza?



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                                                        MC Slim JB RE: mcel215 Apr 15, 2013 06:52 AM

                                                        Sounds like the food court in the Avana Lofts building, 42 Beach Street near Harrison. Are these pancakes also know as Cantonese egg puffs? I know there's a stand for those in there.


                                                        1. re: MC Slim JB
                                                          ButterBuddha RE: MC Slim JB Apr 15, 2013 05:28 PM

                                                          Yes indeed slim, that's what I meant

                                                    2. kobuta RE: mcel215 Apr 13, 2013 01:40 PM

                                                      Crown Royal bakery was known for having the best egg tarts in town, but that was pre-lard/trans fat prohibition in Boston. The last ones I tried I still found pretty good, albeit with less of the signature flaky crust. I haven't had egg tarts from other places (except Great Taste's Portuguese egg tarts) in so long, I don't know how they compare anymore but I still find Crown to be an excellent Chinese bakery.

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                                                        KWagle RE: kobuta Apr 15, 2013 05:20 PM

                                                        *lard* is prohibited in Boston?

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                                                          kobuta RE: KWagle Apr 15, 2013 06:58 PM

                                                          Transfats ban in Boston...I thought I had heard someone say lard was what helped them make their egg tarts crusts so flaky, but whatever was in it, they don't use it any more since the transfat ban in Boston.

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                                                            Luther RE: kobuta Apr 15, 2013 07:45 PM

                                                            The shelf-stable lard you can find on the non-refrigerated shelves in the supermarket is indeed partially hydrogenated... maybe too expensive to get the fresh stuff

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                                                              kobuta RE: Luther Apr 15, 2013 10:52 PM

                                                              I was going off the Chinese translation of what I heard ("pig fat"),hence lard...but you're probably correct. Given the volume they would go through, I can't imagine all of that is fresh lard.

                                                        2. re: kobuta
                                                          nsenada RE: kobuta Apr 20, 2013 09:07 AM

                                                          I also like Crown Royal's coconut buns best, with Eldo as the next best. The filling at Crown Royal is the creamiest of all the bakeries.

                                                        3. livemyjourney RE: mcel215 Apr 16, 2013 05:06 PM

                                                          Must make a stop at Gourmet Dumpling House... Excellent dumplings and the Sliced Spicy Szechuan Fish is one of the best dishes ever!

                                                          Winsor for Dim Sum is excellent as well!


                                                          1. mcel215 RE: mcel215 Apr 18, 2013 04:14 AM

                                                            Thanks everyone, so much great information here. :)

                                                            I printed it all out and will put it on a document for sure.

                                                            BTW, due to Monday's horrific event, my friends opted out going into Boston this Saturday.

                                                            When we do reschedule, I'll report back on the great suggestions you gave to me.


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                                                              hyde RE: mcel215 Apr 18, 2013 05:21 AM

                                                              Boston is probably the safest town in America right at this moment
                                                              Cops and guys in suits with earpieces EVERYWHERE. There is even parking!
                                                              Ah well, easier for us.
                                                              If you are in Metrowest you can get crazy good szechuan at Sichuan Gourmet on route 9 ( or my favorite Red Pepper, off route 9 at Edgell rd., J14, Noodles with stewed beef in house spicy soup is worth the trip alone)

                                                              1. re: hyde
                                                                enhF94 RE: hyde Apr 18, 2013 05:33 AM

                                                                I read it the same way at first, but there's nothing said about mce's friends being scared. There are a lot of reasons to stay clear of the largest crime scene in Boston's history.

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                                                                  mcel215 RE: enhF94 Apr 18, 2013 03:30 PM

                                                                  Thanks enh,

                                                                  My friends were very nervous and wanted to wait a bit to go in.


                                                                2. re: hyde
                                                                  mcel215 RE: hyde Apr 18, 2013 03:28 PM


                                                                  I suggested that we go too, but I do respect their choice. None of them wanted to go in. :)

                                                                  We are doing H-Mart, Pho1, E-Z Indian Grocery, and Six Star Bulgarian Market on this Saturday. We also may hit up Calaresso's in Stoneham, which is having customer appreciation days and lots of great buys.

                                                                  Thanks for the tip on Sichuan Gormet, I'll give them a try one of these days.


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                                                                    Allstonian RE: mcel215 Apr 19, 2013 06:37 AM

                                                                    Wait - what??? This is the first I've heard of Six Star Market. VERY interesting news - the Russian markets in Allston & Brookline carry ajvar and Bulgarian feta, but I didn't know there was an actual Bulgarian market in the metro Boston area.

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                                                                      mcel215 RE: Allstonian Apr 21, 2013 11:20 AM

                                                                      Yes it's there, not much is advertised though. I have driven by it so many times on Main St. It's on the big intersection with a Wallgreen's and Bette's Ice Cream.

                                                                      We didn't have time to go in yesterday, but when I was in last December, there were fresh and frozen sausage, meatballs, filo, feta cheese and other groceries.

                                                                      They do have a fb page, not too much on there either.


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