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Saturday Night in St. Louis

Rene Apr 9, 2013 08:20 PM

We are traveling from Austin and have one afternoon and evening in St. Louis, staying near the Gateway Arch. We'd love and appreciate any recommendations for fun, delicious and locally owned restaurants. We have plenty of ethnic options here and are looking for local flavor... Anything from hot dogs, BBQ, soul food, steaks... something special in St. Louis. Price and ambiance are unimportant. I'll gladly return the favor when you visit Austin.

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  1. alan RE: Rene Apr 10, 2013 06:31 AM

    If you want to compare St. Louis barbecue to Texas style, you might want to try one of two sister restaurants: either Bogart's, in Soulard, or Pappy's, in midtown. Each is just a few minute drive from where you're staying. You might also consider Iron Barley, which has its own unique flavor. If you want something more upscale, take a look at at Niche or Farmhaus, both of which have very interesting and sophisticated takes on locally sourced food. Farmhaus is the more laid back of the two but both require reservations.

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      brownhound RE: alan Apr 11, 2013 05:52 AM

      I concur on the Bogart's or Pappy's recommendations. Both are within two miles of the Arch (south and west respectively). St. Louis doesn't have the same BBQ pedigree as Kansas City, but these two spots are among the finest of their kind in the country. Horrendous lines at Pappy's, but somewhat less at Bogart's. Great food.

      Shaved Duck isn't quite as great, but has waiter service and a full bar; it's on Pestalozzi and Virginia about 3 miles southwest of the Arch. If you wnat BBQ and want a drink, Shaved Duck is a good option.

      Iron Barley would be kind of an Austin-y experience actually: meat heavy, extremely casual atmosphere with a tradition for live music. Iron Barley is about 4 - 5 miles south in a real StL neighborhood. That's another good tip.

      North of downtown is a fragment of the past: Crown Candy Kitchen. It's a kind of a handmade candy store mixed with a fantatsic diner and ice cream parlor. Lines are very long on weekends, but is great fun. It's sort of a preserved survivor in North St. Louis, a neighborhood that's undergone staggering decline over the decades. About 2 miles north of the Arch, but very long lines on warm weekends.

      Sweetie Pie's is a good tip, if you like soul/southern food. It's also the subject of a reality show on O Network. Long lines at peaks, but you can easily sneak in with no line if you're off-peak.

      St. Louis also prides itself on frozen custard, especially as sold by Ted Drewe's. It's like a richer version of soft serve ice cream. The main store is about 5 miles west of downtown on S. Hampton.

      Some things you can get better versions of in Austin: Local Harvest, Niche/Pastaria, Elaia/Olio. Just being frank -- they are fine additions to StL, but not better than what you'd get at home.

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        alan RE: brownhound Apr 11, 2013 07:53 AM

        I concur with the Crown and Ted Drewes recommendations. Ted Drewes (not Drewe's) is not on Hampton, however. It is on Chippewa. http://www.teddrewes.com/home/default... If you see multiple lines reaching to the curb as you approach, don't despair. Waiting in line is half the experience and it takes a whole lot less time than you can imagine. You'll find yourself at the front of the line before you know it and you'll be frantically trying to make up your mind.

        You probably won't want to try and do both Crown and Ted Drewes in one trip, however. I'd opt for the latter, although I love them both.

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          nsxtasy RE: brownhound Apr 11, 2013 02:19 PM

          I'll second (or third, or fourth) the recommendation for Bogart's! The only thing I'll disagree with is that it's less crowded; Bogart's gets pretty darn crowded at lunchtime. And you'll want to go at lunchtime, because it's only open for lunch, not dinner. You can always check their hours on their website at www.bogartssmokehouse.com It's a couple miles south of downtown where you're staying.

          For a nice upscale dinner, Niche, in Clayton (about ten miles west of downtown), is absolutely superb. www.nichestlouis.com If you want to keep it downtown, Tony's is still excellent as well, a longtime St. Louis classic. www.saucecafe.com/tonys

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        FriendOfTheDevil RE: Rene Apr 10, 2013 12:40 PM

        Pastaria in Clayton was voted one of the top 10 new restaurants to open this year nationally. Casual, approachable, and fantastic.

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          shannonstl RE: Rene Apr 10, 2013 03:27 PM

          If you'd like to try some of our local ingredients, Five Bistro does a great job as does Local Harvest café on Morganford. I like the Shaved Duck which is also in the city but I'm blanking on the street. Is it Virginia?

          My favorite soul food is Sweetie Pie's but be prepared for long lines.

          You might also like to look up Elaia and Olio. One location, two restaurants. Elaia is fine dining and Olio more of a wine bar but both are very interesting!

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          1. re: shannonstl
            alan RE: shannonstl Apr 11, 2013 02:35 PM

            Five doesn't get nearly enough notice on this board but is a terrific place. However, I prefer Farmhaus for creative use of local ingredients.

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            SFLisa RE: Rene Apr 12, 2013 05:42 AM

            Spend a night downtown this week and needed a place close for a business dinner. Chose Vin de Set because of its proximity to my hotel. All four of us were extremely pleased with the excellence of the food and the atmosphere. Our waiter was slow and indifferent, but we still had a memorable time, especially since between dinner and dessert, the tornado sirens went off and we were led downstairs to the basement wine cellar to wait out the storm.
            I was told that the rooftop patio is amazing to be on when the weather is nice - great view of the city.

            1. uhockey RE: Rene Apr 12, 2013 05:45 AM

              If I had one meal in St. Louis I would go to Sidney Street Café. If I had two - I'd probably go back to Sidney Street Café.


              1. jberendzen RE: Rene Apr 14, 2013 03:15 PM

                All the recommendations below are great. Can't go wrong with any of them. But, if I had friends coming in from Austin for an afternoon and an evening and the weather was nice, I would go to Milo's, sit outside, get a pizza and beer and play/watch a round or two of bocce (open courts for lunch but you can watch the leagues at night). Is it the best pizza in the world - not even close. But it's fun and it's very St. Louis. And their toasted ravioli is as good as you will get anywhere.

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                  hill food RE: jberendzen Apr 15, 2013 06:23 PM

                  Milo's is indeed a pleasant place to kill a few hours on the patio.

                  too bad CityGarden gave the restaurant lease over to essentially a hotdog stand.

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                    lemons RE: hill food Apr 16, 2013 09:54 AM

                    You do hotdog stands an injustice. Maybe just a soft drink there....

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                      hill food RE: lemons Apr 16, 2013 10:05 AM

                      oh but I love hot dog stands, it's the setting that's too nice. that's strolling food, not sit down in a sculpture garden fare!

                      another great outdoor space is at the Venice Cafe, opens at 5 PM most days.

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                        lemons RE: hill food Apr 16, 2013 12:56 PM

                        Exactly. Not nearly as good as a couple of our local dog emporia. I'm sure you didn't mean to slam the doggeries. I, not you, was the one being snide.

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                          hill food RE: lemons Apr 19, 2013 09:33 AM

                          <re-read and edit> lemons - I getcha. such a great site, such a sad use of (that part) of real estate.

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                            lemons RE: hill food Apr 20, 2013 08:16 AM

                            Exzzakly. Very sad indeed, but no reason to miss the park, which is swell. Close, free, interesting, gives an excuse to walk a little... I have seen an ice cream truck there occasionally.

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                              hill food RE: lemons Apr 20, 2013 11:34 AM

                              I'm acquainted with someone on CityGarden's marketing team and was lobbying hard (well OK I mentioned it once or twice) to have the cafe be a monthly rotating bricks and mortar "audition" site for approved food truck operators.

                              but yes, it is swell. I never thought I'd see parents and young children idly walking through downtown at night with no game at Busch. it really is a jewel. gotta love that fountain in hot weather!

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                  Doug RE: Rene Apr 15, 2013 06:03 AM

                  Do you have a restaurant in Austin where the only decoration in the place is a talking deer head on the wall? Do you have a restaurant that grills its hot dogs in grape jelly? If you answered no, then head to Iron Barley while you are here. Will need to drive there from downtown.

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                    Rene RE: Rene Apr 18, 2013 09:57 PM

                    Thank you all so much for these awesome recommendations. We can't wait to try a couple of these places... come on, Saturday!!! I'll let you know what we choose and how it goes. You are the BEST!

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                      FriendOfTheDevil RE: Rene Apr 19, 2013 08:18 AM

                      It is looking to be a nice day tomorrow. I have a different suggestion for you to consider. In the South 8th street area which is downtown and not far from the arch, there is a micro brewery called 4 Hands. Tomorrow they are having a Food Truck Feast from Noon to 8pm.

                      Here is a link for it. May be worth checking out?


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