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coolaugustmoon Mar 30, 2013 11:41 AM

What may turn out to be nothing, their is a chance that we may be moving to Denver. I would love to hear what you 'hounds out there think would be a best case scenario neighborhood-wise. First, assume that while Denver is not a cheap place to live, the costs are a healthy bit lower than Boston and my wife's potential new job pays actually a tiny bit higher than now. So cost of area is secondary ($2000 1 bedrooms are the rule here).

3 factors to consider -
1. I was a chef for 15 years, in NYC, Seattle and the Bay area. While no longer in the kitchen (r and d/consulting). I prefer ethnic Asian and Mexican, gastropubs, raw bars,and good beer.
2. My wife does like some of the above, but prefers a 70 -80% vegetarian diet. Farmers markets and good grocers float her boat.
3. Ideally a car optional/not needed area.

Any ideas?

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    paul balbin Mar 30, 2013 11:09 PM

    Down town Boulder would cover all your desires

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      coolaugustmoon Mar 31, 2013 04:59 AM

      Is boulder close enough to commute to Capitol Hill?

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        RobynS Mar 31, 2013 06:59 PM

        It would be a hefty commute. I'd suggest The Highlands (not Highlands Ranch).

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          Veggo Mar 31, 2013 07:06 PM

          No it isn't. Check out Cherry Creek North and Wash. Park, among other good suggestions here.

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            coolaugustmoon Mar 31, 2013 07:33 PM

            Thank you for some areas to focus our research. Is your city underrated food wise? Don't hear much aside from beer quality about Denver. I assume the Mexican rocks. What kind of Asian do you guys do well? Gastropub/food porn community?

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              southdenverhoo Apr 9, 2013 01:20 PM

              Don't eliminate Capitol Hill btw as a residence community. since one of you is working there.

              Where I live, between 9th and 10th on Washington St, is a very short walk to three of the best restaurants in Denver to my southeast and northeast (Fruition, Potager, and Table 6) and an even shorter walk to my southwest to three more, the heart of the Frank Bonanno empire (Luca d'Italia, Mizuna, Bones, and Vesper Lounge). There are also dive bars and cheesy Mexican and a Whole Foods (plus two conventional grocers, and also Tony's Market on Broadway a comfortable if not adjacent 7 blocks away on Broadway. Seven blocks to the north gets me to the restaurant row that is 17th Avenue in Uptown. Movie theater at 6th and Downing. And rents or new house prices are not inflated to Cherry Creek or Highlands levels.

              Any commute you can walk (I walk to 17th and Welton to work, much further than your within-Cap-Hill commute) is a good one.

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                coolaugustmoon Apr 9, 2013 07:39 PM

                Thank you. This is the kind of info I was looking for. A walkable commute for at least one of us in a neighborhood that has a variety of restaurants is ideal. Don't know your experiences in other parts of the country, but does comment towards the top about crap grocery options ring true? If so, is this in all Denver?

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                  juliejulez Apr 9, 2013 09:23 PM

                  I don't live in Denver proper, I'm out near Brighton, so I'm not much help on picking a neighborhood in Denver. I just moved out here less than a year ago. I spent 2003 through 2010 in Chicago proper and spent 2011 and the first part of 2012 in Central CA (where I'm from originally). I don't find the grocery options to be crappy at all. There's some great specialty stores like Marczyk's http://www.marczykfinefoods.com/ and Tony's http://www.tonysmarket.com/retailer/store_templates/shell_id_1.asp?storeID=5CB723477B4E43F88024DB82BE9E5BBF

                  The big localish chain, King Soopers (owned by Kroger) actually has pretty decent produce at the locations I've been to, and they seem to make a good effort to carry items grown locally. I don't shop Whole Foods much these days due to budget, but when I do everything seems to be decent there. I also like shopping at Sprouts which is a regional chain... sort of a "poor man's" version of Whole Foods. Also out my direction (NE of downtown) there are farm stores like http://www.palombomarket.com/ and even a "pick your own" berry farm. http://www.berrypatchfarms.com/

                  I would agree w/ the consensus that you will need a car though. Denver just doesn't have the public transit infrastructure that other larger cities have. It's getting better though as they are expanding the light rail to go both west towards Lakewood and east out to the airport. Also be aware that while Denver has "neighborhoods", they're not like the neighborhoods you'd find in places like NYC or Chicago, which are basically towns within the city where you could live there and never leave that particular neighborhood. It's just not set up like that in Denver. That's why you'll need a car at least sometimes. I actually considered moving here from Chicago back in 2010, but I didn't think I'd like it because of some of the negatives already mentioned. But, love brought me here last year and now that I'm here, I really like it. Definitely a different pace than you find in larger cities though...

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        TheJer Mar 31, 2013 05:44 AM

        Conside the uptown area.

        The Jer

        1. weezieduzzit Apr 9, 2013 01:49 PM

          I absolutely hated living in Denver and the lack of good food was a major reason why. While there are some nice restaurants the food in the grocery stores (even Wild Oats, Whole Foods, etc.) is terrible and expensive so keep that in mind if you plan on cooking at home. I paid a lot of money for produce I wouldn't have even remotely considered buying in other cities I've lived in. Trader Joe's hasn't even opened there yet.

          The farmers markets there are small and have a very short season because of the weather(which also makes home gardening only a limited option.) I didn't have a car there (I had moved from a very public transport friendly city,) and found the bus possible but inconvenient, I walked a lot. A lot. Even in the snow. I rented a car frequently.

          I lived in Congress Park (12th and Milwaukee.) Its on the north side of Cherry Creek. Its a beautiful neighborhood. We loved the house we had there. It was one of the only things we liked about Denver.

          If you visit before moving there I recommend you visit grocery stores, markets, etc. that you think you would need before making the move.

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            Veggo Apr 9, 2013 02:08 PM

            Ouch. Sorry you had a poor experience in Denver. For eight years I had a good one. Plenty of spring lamb and cloven hoofed animals and great sushi and Olathe corn plus peaches and cherries from Grand Junction. I caught my own trout. Gotta have a car to experience it all.

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              weezieduzzit Apr 9, 2013 02:21 PM

              We gave it our best but it just wasn't what we need a city to be.

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              coolaugustmoon Apr 9, 2013 07:35 PM

              How long ago was this?

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                weezieduzzit Apr 10, 2013 10:50 AM

                6 years now? Like I said, I highly recommend you visit the places you think you will need (groceries, markets, etc.) and check out the items you buy so you can make an informed decision. It was a rude awakening for me. I seem to remember farmers markets only running mid-June- Oct. so keep that in mind if you visit.

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                  rlm Apr 13, 2013 06:54 AM

                  Boulder County Farmers' Market started on April 6th. Tons of great small farms around like Red Wagon, Munson, Cure Organic, Oxford, Berry Patch. You don't have to shop at Whole Foods (and yes, there are Trader Joe's slated to open in Boulder and Denver if you're into that sort of thing). Sure, we have a shorter growing season than some places and it would be nice if mass transit options such as rail would expand more quickly, but the year-round sunshine, captivating mountains, and friendly people make it worth it to me to call this home. We also have B-cycle bike sharing now which is great for the "last mile" problem, a rail line is being built to DIA, BRT lanes are going in on Hwy 36, etc. The last 6 years have seen enormous positive changes in the dining scene on the Front Range and I'm confident that will continue (with The Source and Lower 48 being just two exciting things coming soon). We have The Truffle, Eat Drink, Marczyk's for cheese/charcuterie/etc. in Denver and Cured in Boulder. More restaurants like Basta, Black Cat, Sushi Den, Squeaky Bean, etc. are growing their own produce as well. We have a world class food and wine destination (Frasca) which expanded/swankified a couple of years ago and opened Pizzeria Locale next door complete with Stefano Ferrara oven. Two of their alums opened Oak down the street which is turning out some of the best craft cocktails and food you will find anywhere. Seems like you left right when things were getting interesting.

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                trolley Apr 19, 2013 04:59 PM

                you are scaring me. we are moving to boulder in 2 months. i'm leaving behind year round farmers markets and my flip flops. and when are they going to get that darn trader joe's up and running? in 5 mile radius, i have access to about 5 TJ's now. we have a car so i'm sure that'll make a difference. i'm also mourning my easy access to the greatest sushi and japanese food markets. oh, are we making a mistake? well, there's no turning back. i'm already sad that this board doesn't have much action compared to the LA board. but we're moving for other reasons and food being not at the top of our list...

                i have had great food there so far. not great Japanese food but a fine meal at Table 6, The Kitchen, The Kitchen next Door Pizzeria Locale, etc. and i felt both the clientele and the staff lacked the pretentiousness that you often encounter in LA...

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                blythe Apr 11, 2013 09:53 AM

                Highlands or Cherry Creek. Highlands has Linger, Forest Room 5, Lola, Vita and there are a few more beautiful places a few blocks north of that. (P.S. - starting in May (I think) the Farmers's Mkt in front of Lola starts on Saturdays. At noon, the Miller Farms Stand sells grocery size bags for $12 that you can fill with their produce.
                Pick up a Westword (free weekly newspaper on what going on in town and has a listing of restaurants by neighborhood towards the back).
                Cherry Creek is more high end - but a lot of good places to eat. Just take a nice walk up and down 2nd and 3rd and check out the menus (Old standby's are Rodney's, The Cherry Cricket, Piatt's). Earl's (a chain) is good and you CANNOT beat the happy hour food (and prices) at Kona Grill in the mall. Also - go to citysearch.com to find out what new restaurants are in certain neighborhoods.
                And 6 years ago - Denver was definitely lacking on the food scene.

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                  ivandwu Apr 21, 2013 06:29 AM

                  blythe, more of an FYI but Rodney's recently (back in Sept 2012) closed.

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                  monopod Apr 16, 2013 10:16 AM

                  Boulder would be perfect for your description - there's a reason Bon Appetit named it the country's "foodiest" town this year - but it's probably too far from Denver (though the buses do make the commute relatively easy). So... Highlands is an up-and-coming foodie neighborhood with lots of good restaurants and easy access to both South Federal's ethnic smorgasbord and downtown Denver's higher-end offerings (plus it's not too far to Boulder).

                  And opinions about the Denver food scene from 6 years ago aren't particularly relevant at this point - it's rapidly evolving and has been for several years. Farmer's markets are now everywhere with tons of great produce and products, and even the lower-end supermarket chains (King Soopers, Safeway) have beefed up their organic and bulk sections to where they're perfectly serviceable. There's a Trader Joe's going up in both Denver and Boulder right now as well.

                  I agree with the suggestion to check out Westword's food section, as well as the Denver Eater site. If you keep track of where the places they write about are, you'll get a pretty good sense of where the hot spots are.

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                    coolaugustmoon Apr 16, 2013 12:40 PM

                    Thank you, I do read Eater and it wouldn't be hard to study up. Thanks for the insights.

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                    cheesemonger May 1, 2013 05:57 PM

                    Lots of great info here- one thing that most posters seem to overlook is your interest in asian and mexican foods.

                    Denver is kind of a weird town- Federal Blvd has your Chinese, Vietnamese and Mexican pretty well covered. Waaay over in Aurora you'll find more Vietnamese and Thai. Yes, there is overlap, but there seems to be concentrations. But I wouldn't recommend living in either of these areas.

                    Boulder has very few asian offerings, and while there is some good mexican, little of that "hole in the wall awesome" flavor experience there. Boulder is walkable if you like higher end american/european/farm to table.... all the time. Pretty much the only asian cuisine represented in Boulder is Japanese. Plenty of sushi.

                    Consider too- what does walkable mean to you? We are huge walkers, as in walking (or biking) 2-3 miles is standard.

                    That all taken into consideration, I'd recommend Highlands, or the nearby neighborhoods. Sunnyside is affordable, and I think would be a super investment right now, with what's going on in that 'hood. Lower Highlands (also known as the Potter Highlands) is super hot right now, and is getting hotter. If you move to this neighborhood, make sure that you have a parking space, because parking is difficult even on weeknights. Weekends, fuggitaboutit. (nod to the old school italian presence of the past in that area, that is sadly disappearing).

                    LoHi also has a great advantage in that it's easy to cross over into downtown on foot/bike.

                    And there's a farmer's market in the summer in LoHi, that serves drinks.

                    Let us know what you decide!

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                      coolaugustmoon May 1, 2013 06:40 PM

                      Interesting. Good to know about the Vietnamese and Mexican. Just the geography of it promises better Mexican. Boston has a few high end Mexican spots. But the immigrants here tend to be Salvadoran, Brazilian and Guatemalan. So most of the few "latin" options here have righteous Salvadoran food the but tacos are poor imitations. Walking wise, it's a fairly normal part of life in Boston. Nice day with no schedule 2 miles is easy. It's just easier then dealing with aggressive drivers, one way streets, impossible parking etc... I will certainly post more right before we come out for a visit in June. Thanks for the info.

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                        cheesemonger May 1, 2013 09:35 PM

                        I need to make a little correction to my own comment- Aurora has Korean and Thai as it's primary Asian cuisines, which is sad for me since I love Korean food like mad, but it's inspired me to making more Korean at home.

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                          juliejulez May 2, 2013 09:55 AM

                          Aggressive driving is not a problem here... at least coming from this former Chicago girl :) Many folks here are the opposite of aggressive... they like to drive 5-10mph BELOW the speed limit :)

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