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Mar 26, 2013 04:10 PM

Katz's sandwiches have definitely gotten smaller?

The corn beef sandwiches have diminish in size. Every time I go they seem smaller and smaller.

Has anyone else experienced the same thing?

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  1. If that's true, then I, for one, would consider that a good thing.

    It's a sandwich, not a feeble attempt at curing world hunger.

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    1. re: ipsedixit

      A normal person who is not a fashion model is perfectly capable of finishing a Katz's sandwich. Granted that if you have one at lunch it would probably be good to have a light dinner. If you have one for dinner it would make sense to skip lunch.

      But too big? If you plan properly, it's no problem at all.

      1. re: Bob Martinez

        When you share a Knish and maybe an order of fries it is definitely a meal for two.

        1. re: Bob Martinez

          Thank you. The folks on the jewish deli post were complaining that the sandwiches were too large. Is that a reason to abolish a wonderful institution with great food? If you can't finish it, take home half is a solution too!

        2. re: ipsedixit

          Bigger issue is when said sandwich makes for a feeble attempt at providing for a single full meal despite it's reputation as a monster.

          1. re: sugartoof

            perhaps my capacity isn't what it once was. 12 ounces of red meat in one sitting is more than enough for me -- which is why i rarely stack two burgers at donovan's (my go to burger place) or four dogs at crif et al. my glitch, i guess.

            1. re: debinqueens

              I'd agree, 12 ounces should be fine, I just don't think they're giving that much meat at Katz's.

              I have had sandwiches at Miles End and Defonte's that I ate over the span of multiple meals though.

              (Also agree with you, there's no wrong or right here, just different experiences & preferences)

            2. re: sugartoof

              So who's right? Ipsedixit says that the sandwiches are way too big for a normal person to finish and you say they're undersized.

              Both things can't be true.

              1. re: Bob Martinez

                sure they can, bob.

                look at your typical steak house. some people can sit down and easily polish off a 24 ounce-- give or take -- porterhouse, with potatoes, salad, bread, beer. others will be stuffed after eating the 'ladies cut' (groan) filet, weighing in at eight or nine ounces.

                neither one is right or wrong. it's a matter of what one can finish.

                1. re: debinqueens

                  I was trying to restore a little balance to the discussion. These "too big" vs "too small" discussions really don't get us anywhere. I'd rather focus on whether something is good or not.

                  Both Mile End and Katz's are good (although in a different way.) So is David's. (I think you've got a car. Head out to the Bay Ridge location some Saturday. Pair it up with some shopping at the nearby Century 21 - it's so much nicer than the Manhattan branch.)

                2. re: Bob Martinez

                  It's just a food discussion, Bob. Not conclusive science.

                  1. re: Bob Martinez

                    Exactly. How can an ace be a one AND an eleven? What kind of god would allow that?

                    1. re: monkeyrotica

                      ...or allow that poor excuse for a rye bread. It happens.

                      1. re: sugartoof

                        And yet Katz's is packed with people ordering pastrami on rye.

                        I do agree with you that better bread would greatly improve the sandwich. The fact that the teeming multitudes don't seem to care leads me to believe they don't share our concern.

                        1. re: Bob Martinez

                          I suspect they've done the math and determined that the teeming multitude isn't willing to pay more money for better quality bread. And I don't really mind them cutting portion size OR jacking the price up. It's just when eateries do both is when you start aggrivating customers. Still, plenty of people seem happy to blow lots of money on tapas and "small plates" because they're not interested in getting filled up.

                          1. re: Bob Martinez

                            Get it on "club". Much better than the low quality rye bread they use. They do charge extra, but it is worth it.

                            1. re: RichardMW

                              The rolls aren't exactly top quality either.

                              And for purists it fails to be the classic on a Rye.

                              1. re: sugartoof

                                Katz's is so successful, they would be foolish to change anything.

                                1. re: foodwhisperer

                                  Right, why compromise success by returning to a quality product?

                                  Let us know when they start using real Rye bread again.

                                  1. re: sugartoof

                                    Again? I had my first sandwich at Katz's over 60 years ago and they were using the same spongy rye bread then (and the same rubbery club). Do you really remember it being different?

                                    1. re: bobjbkln

                                      Still my favorite pastrami sammich. Pastrami Queen a close second (ask for hand cut) now that Sarge's is gone.

                                      1. re: bobjbkln

                                        You're saying they haven't served a proper Pastrami on Rye on actual Rye in 60 years?

                                        I wanted to give Katz's more credit than that.

                                        1. re: bobjbkln

                                          They used to get rye bread from FINK, they don't now. So, therefore their rye bread has changed.
                                          Sugartoof: you are correct in that they should use better rye bread even if they are successful. Perhaps if enough people complain about it they will improve that. From a business perspective, I doubt if they see anything wrong , since they are doing more business now than they have ever done. I once gave them advice to use smaller slices of rye bread and the pile of meat will look bigger but they will be actually saving. They didn't take my advice. I can only eat half a sandwich and a soup, that's plenty for me.
                                          Anyway, maybe Orwasher's should give Katz's a call and a good deal.

                                          1. re: foodwhisperer

                                            I think Katz's profit margins are just fine, as they're already using optical illusions, and small bread.

                                            No need for us to go in circles though.... you're in the camp that thinks they serve monster sandwiches fit for two meals with a trucker appetite, and I'm of the opinion that it's barely enough for a single overpriced meal with a normal appetite.

                                            1. re: foodwhisperer

                                              Yes but Fink's still came in long loaves in the wax paper wrapping like it's replacement. It was no better, spongy and with a soft crust, even if it had a name on the wax wrapper.

                                              1. re: bobjbkln

                                                Yep Fink's came in that wax paper. I think it was better rye than present, But I don't think it was as good as Orwasher's or other high quality rye.

                                                1. re: foodwhisperer

                                                  As for the debate on the quality of the bread:
                                                  I stopped by John Brown's Smokehouse in LIC for the first time yesterday. The pastrami was magnificent, hand cut, juicy and seasoned perfectly.
                                                  BUT: No rye bread!!! I had a choice of Texas Toast or a roll.
                                                  I am guessing this is because it's a Southern style BBQ place. No Levy's Jewish Rye in the deep south.

                      2. They have been shrinking bit by bit for years, but don't say that here-you get flamed. I think even Scientologists are less defensive than Katz's loyalists.

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                        1. Katz's pastrami sammich getting smaller??? WTH?
                          That's like suggesting the pope might resign!!
                          Never happen!!

                          1. Well, there is a thread here on ch where folks are complaining about the size of the sandwiches at Jewish delis so this might make those guys happy!

                              1. re: iluvcookies

                                That just has to be next on his list!