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Manhattan Beach Cafe - Open Late

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I'm looking for a cafe or bakery in Manhattan Beach that is open until at least 10pm on weekdays and a good place to have a conversation with 4 people. More coffee and dessert than dinner food, but full menu is a plus. Something similar to Sweet Lady Jane or MILK on Beverly would be perfect. Is Neighborhood Grinds a good place for a conversation? Could also be Redondo Beach or Torrance if it's by the 405. Thanks!

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  1. neighborhood grinds is a small place and can, indeed, be a good place for conversation.

    their pastry, however, is usually sold out by evening.

    1. Have you tried The Kettle? Open 24/7/365 and they are a very good place for conversation. They have some nice desserts, but they are more of an "upscale" coffee shop in the traditional sense of the word (and not the Peet's/Starbucks sense). http://www.thekettle.net/

      1. Creme de la Crepe is next door to the Kettle and much better for dessert. They are open until 10 PM.