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85 Degrees C (85C) Bakery Taiwanese chain coming to Bay Area (potentially Newark / Union City / Fremont)

K K Mar 22, 2013 01:49 PM

The hiring ad:


Guessing it will anchor somewhere along one of the 99 Ranch market complexes. No further details yet.

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    mliew RE: K K Mar 22, 2013 02:56 PM

    Exciting news for sure. I used to be a regular at the Irvine location and now have to wait to get my fix when I go down to visit. 85C is a step above Paris Baguette and Sheng Kee IMO so it would be a welcome addition to the asian bakery scene up here.

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      shanghaikid RE: K K Mar 22, 2013 03:45 PM

      noticed shopping complex in chinese newspaper shows an East West bank. newark lists one on newark blvd.

      there's a tea king in this complex. guessing that's the spot.

      or a spot vacated recently by Goldilocks. doubtful. space is too big.
      Lido's saigon just opened in this complex recently.

      1. Chandavkl RE: K K Mar 22, 2013 06:31 PM

        The question is whether it's coming too late. As the link indicates they are aggressively expanding their US presence. However there are questions as to whether they are compromising their product in their drive to massively expand. They are shifting production to a single, central facility, and there are complaints that it's not as good as it used to be. I guess even in its diluted state it might be better than many of its competitors, but hey, adding lots of butter to your baked goods does make it taste good.

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          shanghaikid RE: Chandavkl Mar 22, 2013 07:20 PM

          just happened to be in ranch 99 (newark) this past weekend. walked past the "bakery". saw them unwrapped premade layered cakes wrapped in plastic.

          assume they then applied whipped cream, fruits, etc.
          they had spatulas in hand. didn't hang around to witness the gory details.

          consumers can decide whether they want premade factory pastries or "made" on the premises cakes.

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            K K RE: shanghaikid Mar 22, 2013 09:32 PM

            Assuming 85C quality from Irvine keeps up for Newark, it is still miles better than NorCal Sheng Kee, 99 Ranch, and all the Sogo Bakeries in the South Bay, using those as equivalent types of competitors. Kee Wah would be a similar class competitor with the quality (in NorCal). Some might like Paris Baguette more (which is a Korean approach to western), and the only place that would trump it is Satura Cakes, but it's apples to oranges in this case.

            The interesting thing to note according to the Chinese newspaper article I linked, the Irvine branch generates revenue equivalent to ten 85 C locations in Taiwan... so the market is a lot bigger in the USA. I guess the local Taiwanese aren't too crazy about all that butter, but the kids do (and they love their boba way more).

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              Chandavkl RE: K K Mar 23, 2013 07:51 AM

              I once went by the 85°C location in Irvine. I thought a theater had let out--at least a hundred, maybe more people waiting to get inside the store. Never saw that outside of any kind of eatery.

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                tvr172 RE: K K Sep 5, 2013 01:52 AM

                During the past 2 weeks, I have been driving by a 85C location in Taichung, Taiwan and there were never more than half a dozen people in the store. Almost every block has a boutique bakery selling similar or fancier looking stuff with the goal to make the entire island diabetic.

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                  daymare RE: K K Sep 16, 2013 03:31 PM

                  Taiwan 85C and US ones are completely different though :/

                  - Dirt cheap, good quality
                  - Really fresh (bread comes out of the oven non-stop)
                  - Lots of variety
                  - The taro bun. I bought about 20 of these last time I went down to LA. Most people said I was crazy until they started agreeing that this is the best (taste & value).

                  - Most breads are really quite weak, with the sole exception of the awesomeness that is the taro bun.
                  - The waiting line in Irvine. Other places are okay.
                  - Having to buy 3 boxes as souvenirs

                  Sheng Kee & Sogo are pretty low quality stuff (they still have a few good items), with Sogo strictly worse than SK.
                  The new Kee Wah in Cupertino is nice.
                  Paris Baguette is comparable to 85C. Lots of hype, lots of variety, modern, fancy-looking breads that just downright suck. However, I think PB cakes are amazingly delicious and well-balanced.

                  For some good lesser-known bakeries, try Meka Bakery in Milpitas (inside the Marina grocery), or Lepi D'or in Cupertino (next to Joann's).

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                    stravaigint RE: daymare Sep 17, 2013 08:54 AM

                    Agreed on their taro bun!

                    Veering off-topic, but Lepi D'or is a mixed bag. Some of their baked goods are way too dry, i.e., really large pan with only a small topping or filling. But their chocolate bun (the one with the chocolate chips on top) is divine, especially if you get it fresh, when it's still runny inside.

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                      Bunson RE: daymare Sep 17, 2013 09:18 AM

                      I went to Paris Baguette once and tried a bunch of items and came away very unimpressed. Nothing I bought made me want to go back, and I haven't.

                2. re: Chandavkl
                  soupçon RE: Chandavkl May 23, 2013 08:30 AM

                  I don't think expansion has been a problem (in terms of acceptance, anyway) for 85度C. In Shanghai, they went from one outlet in 2006 to well over 100 and counting today.

                3. K K RE: K K Mar 22, 2013 09:23 PM


                  The article says basically they have their eyes set on the Lidofaire plaza that houses the Saigon Seafood restaurant (10k square feet) and 99 Ranch, and could be a drawing board idea at the moment that's ideal to the business. The opening date and logistics are otherwise undecided.

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                    hhc RE: K K May 22, 2013 08:45 PM

                    I walked by Wed 5/22/13 the whole stretch of Lido Faire Plaza, Newark and there is No sign for 85C anywhere. I did call 85C Bakery in Irvine, guy I talked to said it'll probably be 2014 before we see it in Newark, he had no date to give me.

                    I hope they put it in the vacant spot 35201-V it's a huge spot for a bakery, the old Goldilocks, other vacant spots are too small.

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                      K K RE: hhc May 23, 2013 12:46 PM


                      Meaning they are still in the early stages (of planning) with no set date. And I don't see this changing within the next few months unless they make some solid announcement...

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                        Theta RE: hhc Sep 15, 2013 06:52 PM

                        Construction is still going on in the space a couple doors down from the 99 Ranch (Newark). I would say at least a month or two away, if not more. Seems rather a small place, at least compared to the ones down in LA. Although I do find it a bit odd that it is in this particular shopping center. Nothing against Newark, but Newark???? I would have thought Milpitas, Cupertino?

                        Anyways, at least this shopping center has decent number parking spaces, unlike most places.

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                      Bunson RE: K K Mar 28, 2013 10:03 AM

                      My favorite bakery on the planet, I think it's light years ahead of Paris Baguette too. Their salted ice coffee is addictve and I can eat a dozen of their pastries piping hot out of the oven. I'm a little worried about this "central facility". Are they shipping everything pre-baked/wrapped? That would be a HUGE mistake.

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                        Peter Yee RE: Bunson May 23, 2013 11:18 PM

                        Definitely. At the Hacienda Heights locations, they would bring freshly baked items out of the kitchen on trays. Very funny to see the servers being swarmed by the patrons who were looking for the freshest items!

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                          pley RE: Peter Yee May 23, 2013 11:58 PM

                          I've been one of the swarmers at that location. :)

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                            Peter Yee RE: pley May 24, 2013 04:33 PM

                            Then you've probably also been subject to the long (legendary?) weekend queues to get in as well! I can only imagine how bad it will be here when 85 Degrees C opens up a Bay Area branch.

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                              Chandavkl RE: Peter Yee May 24, 2013 10:13 PM

                              Well hopefully they'll figure that out. The problem with the Irvine store was that it was much too small as they didn't recognize how popular they would be. Consequently when one or two hundred people descend on a small storefront it's total chaos. Their third location in West Covina is gigantic and pretty much neutralizes the crowds. Of course it helps that there are the three locations in the LA area to spread out the traffic.

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                                pley RE: Peter Yee May 25, 2013 01:37 PM

                                It's too far for me to go often, but when I have gone, including weekend, I never encountered really bad lines. They need to open yet another one further west in the east side, like Pasadena or Arcadia.

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                          SBB49 RE: K K Sep 4, 2013 08:22 AM

                          Looking forward to waiting in line already.

                          Sheng Kee in the Bay Area is an embarassment. They have lowered their quality level time and time again with the little competition that they have.

                          I hope 85 destroys them.

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                            Chandavkl RE: SBB49 Sep 4, 2013 03:03 PM

                            They will. Closest thing you can get to crack.

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                              Bunson RE: Chandavkl Sep 5, 2013 02:00 PM

                              I stopped drinking coffee a year and a half ago, with one exception, the sea salt ice coffee from 85C. oh em gee

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                            mliew RE: K K Nov 8, 2013 01:09 PM

                            Anyone have any updates on progress/potential opening date?

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                              shanghaikid RE: mliew Nov 8, 2013 01:35 PM

                              read on y..... a post by K.. stating 11/15/2013. 11 a.m. will be the grand opening day,

                              just passing this along. don't know personally.

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                                mr_darcy RE: shanghaikid Nov 8, 2013 11:42 PM

                                Yea, their FB page says the same:


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                                  Bunson RE: mr_darcy Nov 14, 2013 11:17 AM

                                  The devil has arrived. 50 extra pounds here I come.

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                              mr_darcy RE: K K Nov 15, 2013 04:01 PM

                              Anyone make it to the grand opening? I showed up at 10:55 and there was a huge 2-hour long line already, so I ended up deciding to try it at a different time instead.

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                                Chandavkl RE: mr_darcy Nov 18, 2013 09:21 PM


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                                Jon914 RE: K K Jan 11, 2014 01:11 PM

                                The second (?) Bay Area location is now official. It's opening up in the De Anza / Highway 85 plaza in Cupertino. The signage appeared earlier this week.

                                It's the newish plaza that was rebuilt a year or two ago and has just a Bambu and Snowflake in it but no anchoring supermarket.

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                                  Melanie Wong RE: Jon914 Jan 11, 2014 01:20 PM

                                  A friend just told me this yesterday. The addresses for that plaza:
                                  DeAnza/85 Shopping Center, 1131-1183 S. De Anza Blvd. • San Jose, CA

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                                    Bunson RE: Melanie Wong Jan 13, 2014 09:06 AM

                                    Uh oh, has anyone heard of any kind of opening date?

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                                      stravaigint RE: Bunson Jan 13, 2014 09:48 AM

                                      The 85 sign just says "coming soon", and I didn't look too closely at the public notices. There were construction workers inside early yesterday morning (8am).

                                      I meant to ask at LatTea if they knew anything more but forgot...

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                                        mr_darcy RE: stravaigint Feb 8, 2014 02:12 PM

                                        I've heard (but not yet confirmed), that the Cupertino location started serving customers this weekend.

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                                          BLD RE: mr_darcy Feb 9, 2014 02:01 PM

                                          Drove by the Cupertino location today and it's not even close to being ready. Looks like they're still in construction mode and there's still no signage, cases or shelving yet.

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                                            mr_darcy RE: BLD Feb 9, 2014 04:12 PM

                                            Bummer... sorry for the false alarm :| Guess my friend was mistaken...

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                                              Jon914 RE: mr_darcy Mar 15, 2014 02:23 AM

                                              A few weeks back, they appeared to be doing on-site interviews in the parking lot. It can't be too far off, I assume.

                                              More businesses are starting to pop up in that Cupertino plaza including a Bambu and Snowflake tea house (coming soon). One may wonder what the anchoring supermarket will be. It'll be this.


                                              Marina Fresh is not related to the Marina chain already in Cupertino, Fremont and San Mateo. Confusingly, it's part of another chain in San Jose called "Marina Food."

                                              http://companies.findthecompany.com/l... (matched the owner's name)

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                                                Bunson RE: Jon914 Mar 17, 2014 10:18 AM

                                                I went to the "About Us" part of Marina Fresh, and under House Specialties one of the two items listed is "Snail Surprise! Flown in Daily from the murky waters of Taiwan!"

                                            2. re: BLD
                                              BLD RE: BLD Apr 5, 2014 08:32 AM

                                              According to their Facebook page (https://www.facebook.com/85CBakeryCafe), this location is scheduled to debut on April 25th.

                                  2. ckshen RE: K K May 17, 2014 11:28 PM

                                    Checked out the bakery tonight just to see what the hype is all about.

                                    Got the chocolate roll, the taro bread, the coffee flower like bread, and the red bean smoothie.

                                    for baked items, as a chain, they are ahead of Paris Baguette/ Kee Wah/ Sheng Kee. Not too sweet, the taste is not bad, fairly one-dimensional but expected with the price. the ingredients used are ok, not 5-star as they claimed. again, with that price, its not possible to be 5-star.

                                    although its not a fair comparison because of the price difference, the quality difference between 85 and bakeries such as Tartine or B is big. e.g. the chocolate used in the chocolate roll is no Varlhona. Not sure about people queuing up for 85, though.

                                    the red bean smoothie, is an utter disaster. $4. complete waste of money. Its loaded with sugar and likely additives i can't identify. doesn't taste very natural. one sip and even though I don't like to waste food, I know I do not want to finish this drink. the after taste is typical of something overly sweet. companion tasted it and had the exact same reaction. ended up throwing 90% of it away. its 10% too much in the stomach.

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