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Mar 10, 2013 07:29 AM

Servers and bartenders that smoke

Advice to all servers and bartenders that smoke. Your habit negatively impacts diners experience and your tip. I've been to 2 restaurants this week - In Season and Pittsburgh Blue - and the servers were smokers. Both times our table was greeted with leftover smoke from what you couldn't exhale "out back" and it's extremely unappetizing and offensive. This left a fowl impression for the group. Your breath and odor in clothing does not dissipate. Please consider how your habit impacts your guests that you are serving - and remember we are ging out for an enjoyable experience.

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    1. You probably should contact your state legislator and tell them to please return the billions of dollars your state received from the tobacco lawsuit a decade ago and also to please stop taxing cigarettes and alcohol.

      1. I agree smoke smells gross, but I personally feel we treat people in this country that smoke like terrorists (I never smoked a cigarette in my life). Unappetizing yes, but offensive might be a little oversensitive. The stress it seemed to cause you is probably going to cause as much cancer as tobacco.

        1. I stopped smoking many years back.

          It doesnt bother me in the slightest that others do. But then, I also regard banning smoking in public places, like restaurants, as not being progress in a modern tolerant society.

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          1. re: Harters

            <<not being progress in a modern tolerant society.>>

            i understand and sympathize with your position, but

            i also understand the public health issue with a known addictive carcinogen that is not only carcinogenic to those who can't/won't break their addiction but has been shown to be carcinogenic to others, including children, that are around them.

            although there is a personal liberty argument to be made around this: it is not purely a personal liberty issue, like, let's say, painting one's face purple would be.
            this practice
            1) puts the user at increased health risk. this would be ok if society didn't have to pay the price for this in so many ways.
            2) puts innocent non-smokers at increased health risk
            3) has been shown to be both physically and psychologically addictive, which makes the issue of quitting much more complicated than a simple "moral" or "will power" decision.

            i've known this issue from BOTH SIDES NOW

            1. re: westsidegal

              Well, if you live in a city where the mayor oversees the cup size for soft drinks, then I've no doubt there is some kind of "law" that would have the reeking offender dealt with immediately. Here in Georgia, I believe folks have a tendency to let things like that go. Maybe not in Atlanta.........

              1. re: westsidegal

                Cigarette smoke

                (a) stinks out loud
                (b) causes my nose, mouth, and throat to feel as if they are burning
                (c) gives me a migraine.

                So I'm not part of Harters' "modern, tolerant society."

                1. re: Jay F

                  For me, the same can be said for perfumes and colognes. No choice but to be tolerant.

                  1. re: grampart

                    Same here with perfumes and colognes.

                    1. re: grampart

                      More and more workplaces are banning that too. Mine does, and although I don't have any perfume sensitivities, I'm more than happy to comply.

                    2. re: Jay F

                      I reckon a majority of folk are not part of the modern, tolerant society that I like to inhabit. Otherwise we would not get intolerant legislation and, more importantly, intolerant attitudes.

                      1. re: Harters

                        It's an "intolerant attitude" when something makes me sick? So what would you do, Harters, sit in the smoke and suffer?

                        1. re: Jay F

                          Do bars/restaurants allow smoking where you live? If not, it's pretty easy to avoid smoke. Yes, you may have to walk past a smoker, but in a world of car exhaust (do you own a car?) and numerous other environmental factors, cigarette smoke is just a small part of the picture.

                          People are unlikely to stop smoking altogether, so it's really something you need to learn to live with.

                          1. re: LeoLioness

                            Smoking is not allowed in restaurants and bars in Minnesota. I appreciate it a lot.
                            My feedback was directed at servers and bartenders. They are in the service industry. I was too for many, many years and appreciated feedback from my guests that would provide them a better dining experience, and allow me to be a better server.
                            I do live with it in many situations but when it comes to dining out at an expensive restaurant where service and ambiance are a large part of the experience, I will vote with my dollars and choose other servers/restaurants.

                          2. re: Jay F

                            "So what would you do, Harters, sit in the smoke and suffer?"

                            In life, I find that if I want to be tolerant towards my fellow human beings, it's sometimes not very pleasant. But the short answer to your question is "yes"

                            1. re: Harters

                              Harters, I so appreciate your attitude. My mother is a smoker who lives in assisted living home. I can tolerate the smoke in exchange for sharing time with some great WWII and Korean War vets in the smoking lounge along with my mom.

                              I do not get faint of heart, for these are some people that gave their all for other people to feel offended.

                              A little perspective helps in our entitled and not so tolerant world.

                              1. re: justalex

                                I am not *offended* by cigarette smoke, justalex. It makes me sick, in the ways I delineated upthread. Why is that so hard to understand?

                                1. re: Jay F

                                  I agree. I'm confused by the posters who are framing this as an issue of tolerance or discrimination. When my mom smoked, she reeked of cigarettes. It's easy to smell and its nauseating. I choose not to smoke and being disgusted by the smell doesn't mean I'm discriminating against anyone. It just means I'll spend my money elsewhere.

                                  1. re: Hobbert

                                    "It just means I'll spend my money elsewhere."

                                    That's also entirely right and proper in the tolerant world I like to live in. Folk exercise choices.

                                    It's why, as an non-smoker for many years, I was still opposed to the obligatory ban on smoking in restaurants. Fine for an owner to institute their own ban (or not); not fine for the state to do it.

                        2. re: Jay F

                          Amen to that. I would have asked management for a different server.