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One more plea for a "Like" button

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roxlet Mar 4, 2013 01:13 PM

The What's For Dinner threads have been running over 300 posts for as little as 3 days. Part of the reason is that many posters simply react to the meal being described rather than adding crucial information or posing an important question. If there were a like button, I believe that this would cut down on the idle "Mmmm. That sounds so good" posts.

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    GH1618 RE: roxlet Mar 4, 2013 01:22 PM

    A pointless feature. Better if the mods merely delete nonsubstantive posts after awhile, which they seem to do anyway.

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      Mr Taster RE: GH1618 Mar 6, 2013 03:29 PM

      I understand roxlet's sentiment is coming from a good place, but you're right, GH1618--a "like" button would turn posts into meaningless popularity contests.

      Agree also that mods should delete all "+1" and "me too" posts, *unless* they also contribute additional depth to the conversation. This helps to maintain what Mr. Leff called a high signal:noise.

      When you have quantity overruling quality, you get Yelp-- i.e. loads of superficial input with little depth. Stars and "likes" and all that jazz gets you 5-star McDonald's reviews.

      Mr Taster

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        weezieduzzit RE: Mr Taster Mar 6, 2013 06:39 PM

        Agreed. I'd hate to see the WFD thread devolve into a high school like popularity contest.

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          Uncle Bob RE: Mr Taster Mar 7, 2013 10:00 AM

          <When you have quantity overruling quality, you get Yelp-- i.e. loads of superficial input with little depth.>

          Very well stated. ~~ A perfect description of much of the content on WFD.

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            Dirtywextraolives RE: Uncle Bob Mar 7, 2013 01:33 PM

            Exactly. Perfectly put. Thank you for showing me I wasn't the only one who felt this way.

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              Mr Taster RE: Dirtywextraolives Mar 7, 2013 02:21 PM

              I have neither read nor participated in the "what's for dinner" thread, and based on what's been said here I probably never will. I suppose not all threads can be winners, but these jibbity-jabber threads contribute eyeballs and ad revenue that keep Chowhound going, so I'm not entirely upset to know it's here.

              Mr Taster

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                roxlet RE: Mr Taster Mar 7, 2013 02:28 PM

                Actually, the characterization of WFD as "lowest common denominator jibbity jabber" shows that you know nothing about the threads and how interesting and informative they can be.

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                  mariacarmen RE: roxlet Mar 7, 2013 03:06 PM

                  absolutely. i've found that thread very inspiring, with input from a lot of very knowledgeable, passionate and creative people. why do people have to denigrate something they know nothing about? it's definitely a little more of a casual place, but if that's not your style, please don't ruin it for the rest of us.

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                  juliejulez RE: Mr Taster Mar 7, 2013 03:06 PM

                  The way WFD is being described here, it makes it sound like it's a bunch of high school girls jibber jabbering and gossiping. It's not whatsoever and I agree w/ roxlet that they are very interesting and informative. I know I personally have learned a lot of good information, and gotten great ideas for future meals.

                  Yes, sometimes it drifts away into personal chit chat, I personally am guilty of going there. I have been trying to refrain from that in an attempt to make everyone happy, and because I realize it really is off topic. But, some backstory to "what's for dinner" is fine, and appreciated. I like getting to know everyone in the limited sense that we can in that thread, and I don't think everyone should censor themselves so much just because others can't check in on the thread all the time.

                  But, the craziness that has ensued ever since ONE person complained about it saddens me. I hate it when people are unhappy, from all sides.

                  I just wish everyone could get along without making rude and insulting comments. Not every thread is for everybody, so I don't get why everyone thinks it has to be that way.

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                    Dirtywextraolives RE: juliejulez Mar 7, 2013 04:54 PM

                    <<But, the craziness that has ensued ever since ONE person complained about it saddens me. >>

                    So you're going to blame me for the "craziness"(?) just because I made the simple, (but apparently self-serving!) request for those of us on the WFD thread to cut back on the irrelevant commentary?? I even asked to just hold off on it until the thread turns over, so a. It would last a day or two longer and b. it wouldn't be so frustrating using that thread??

                    First of all, I am most certainly not the only person who has complained about the length and chattiness of the thread. That has been going on for years. I happen to just be the latest. (The responses you've seen on this thread indicate some other long time Chowhounds are a bit fed up with it also....). And I was decent enough to take it to the thread and explain my position, not to the mods without anyone knowing. But I was piled on like a rabbit.

                    And I take issue with those of you lamenting that it will be boring and non informative, as if the only words you will be allowed to type are the descriptors of your food. I have never stated that "backstory" wouldn't fit in; the whole point is to cut down on the posts and comments that do not relate to what you're making for dinner. But I guess it makes for better hype against the idea when you throw that message around..... If the mods hadn't taken the conversation down, I could show you my posts that said exactly that.

                    And when there are multiple posts about one's pet, for instance, Mr. Taster's description is apt - it then become jibber jabber, unproductive to the thread, and quantity over quality.

                    And for what it's worth, I don't think the recommend button really does anything anyway. So perhaps it's akin to a like on Facebook, but it doesn't illustrate WHO recommends it, and WHY, so I think it's kind of pointless. EDIT : okay it will show you who recommends, just not why. Still rather superfluous, but better, I guess.

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                      suzigirl RE: Dirtywextraolives Mar 7, 2013 05:22 PM

                      I just want to say that I don't think that Julie is in any way blaming you. Reading her post in the whole, she made that statement in a blanketed, all inclusive fashion, IMHO. If i am wrong, please correct me jj.

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                        juliejulez RE: Dirtywextraolives Mar 7, 2013 09:11 PM

                        I was not blaming you at all, sort of the opposite really. I'm not "blaming" anybody in particular, but rather just stating that all this hoopla that came up because you expressed your opinion about what was going on in the WFD thread is sorta silly. As I've posted many times, I hate to see people upset, and it bothered me that you were upset actually, just like it bothers me that other people got upset by your opinions. All of this stuff actually stresses me out, as silly as that is. All the infighting makes me not want to participate as much... I've posted on other message boards in the past and that behavior is what caused me to stop posting on those boards.

                        I actually understood the point you were trying to make from the beginning, that's why I personally have been trying to reel in my superfluous comments and posts about non-food stuff (like my dog).

                        I'm glad for the recommend button because I can click it to show I liked what the post said, but don't need to post "that looks great!".

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                      LindaWhit RE: Mr Taster Mar 7, 2013 03:52 PM

                      Wow. Way to completely diss an entire thread and the people who post on it. I've found out lots of good information on the WFD thread and had good interactions with people there. Insulting those who *do* participate on the thread as jibber-jabbering posters doesn't do anyone any good. Perhaps before you bad mouth something, read it.

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                        Breadcrumbs RE: Mr Taster Mar 7, 2013 05:02 PM

                        By no means am I a regular WFD contributor but I do pop in from time to time and, I must say I've had no issue or concern w this thread...or any thread on Chowhound for that matter.

                        In my experience, the WFD is no different than the Home Cooking Board, the Cookware and the Ontario Board (where I tend to spend the most time) They are places where you can give and take as much or as little as you desire.

                        I wish there were more experiences like that in life!!

                        IMHO, to create a community, there has to be some degree of humanity and discussion vs pure reporting. Even here on Site Talk I see an active discussion about a Community member whose health has suffered. I've always assumed folks contribute where and when they are interested.

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                          Jay F RE: Mr Taster Mar 7, 2013 10:11 PM

                          Now that we can "recommend" posts, can we also "disreccomend" or "unrecommend" options for ones like this? Please?

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                            Mr Taster RE: Jay F Mar 8, 2013 07:28 AM

                            Jay, do you realize that I did not make up this policy?

                            Chowhound was created on a principal of "less chat, more tips" and it's a big reason why the site became as good as it did.

                            Chowhound founder Jim Leff:
                            "The "All chime in with your two cents!" Romper Room instinct is a strong one. It's what most people do in most online forums, and it's one of the dilutive tendencies we need to resist here.."

                            http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/8239...

                            Now, the current administrators have taken a different tack. They need subscribers and posts to prove to advertisers that they can deliver eyeballs and earn ad revenue to keep the site profitable, so the jibbity jabber serves a practical economic purpose.

                            In other words, "What's For Dinner" (and other similar behemoth yakkity gabfest threads) allow sharply focused, actually useful threads like this one to exist:

                            http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/70063

                            It's kind of like having an annoying neighbor who's a police office. You tolerate his quirks because he helps to ensure the integrity of the neighborhood.

                            Mr Taster

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                              Jay F RE: Mr Taster Mar 8, 2013 07:40 AM

                              If you don't like WFD, don't read it. I generally haven't, mostly because I didn't feel like I had that much to contribute. I don't cook as frequently as some, and also, I tend to obsess about something for a few weeks, i.e., cook it over and over. Again I felt as if I didn't have much to contribute. So I didn't read the thread.

                              But now that I know, thanks to you, that there's a bit more jibber-jabber, I've started reading it. And it seems like a perfectly lovely, utterly valuable thread.

                              I'd much rather read it than a list (probably not the only list) of "Best ______ in _____." (In fact, I can testify just this week to having read not just two "Best in" threads in the same city, but two "Best in" threads for the same neighborhood. Two of them! In the same week! Oh, dear.)

                              Mr. Taster, thank you for turning me on to a thread I like.

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                                Mr Taster RE: Jay F Mar 8, 2013 07:43 AM

                                And thanks to you for subsidizing the site for me!

                                Mr Taster

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                                  roxlet RE: Jay F Mar 8, 2013 08:46 AM

                                  I so agree Jay F, and I am happy that Mr. Taster is subsidizing the site as well!

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                      Dirtywextraolives RE: GH1618 Mar 6, 2013 07:40 PM

                      Not on the WFD thread they don't.

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                        linguafood RE: Dirtywextraolives Mar 8, 2013 10:05 AM

                        Maybe that thread is just not the right fit for you, personally, then? With so many from which to choose -- particularly on the HC board, why bother with one that only seems to upset you?

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                    4. Dave MP RE: roxlet Mar 4, 2013 05:04 PM

                      Very soon we're going to be introducing a "Recommend" button for Chowhound, which you'll be able to use to recommend helpful, interesting or useful posts from other users. More on this in the next week or so....thanks for your patience!

                      Dave MP

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                        linus RE: Dave MP Mar 5, 2013 04:54 PM

                        can we have a 'not recommend' button, too?

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                      2. Uncle Bob RE: roxlet Mar 5, 2013 04:49 PM

                        Understand completely. Not sure any sort of button will solve the problem however.

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                          Cherylptw RE: Uncle Bob Mar 6, 2013 03:20 PM

                          Agreed; I like the WFD thread the way it is..it's just like watching television, if you don't want to watch a show, turn the channel. Those who don't want to read a thread in it's entirety, don't...just post your comment and move on.

                          Now, its about nitpicking...

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                            suzigirl RE: Cherylptw Mar 6, 2013 05:51 PM

                            I haven't been on WFD very long, so I haven't seen it evolve and I agree. I like it just the way it is. But i am adapting to what the thread was when I joined. That being said, I would be able to adapt to a like button but wish I didn't have to. But it seems like I am the minority. That's fine if that is what the majority wants. I just want to hang out and hear what's for dinner and the back story. And when someone responds with a mmm, love the _____ that you're making it is more personal than a like button.

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                              Cherylptw RE: suzigirl Mar 6, 2013 06:31 PM

                              I don't know that I'd change my postings even with a like button. Part of the reason WFD is longer is because there are more people on the thread than in the beginning; more people equals more posts.

                              It's true that some postings are elaborate but it's what makes the thread interesting...it will be boring if we could only post something like: chicken, rice, broccoli and that's it. What's the point? I'm going to drop it now cause the whole thing just irritates the H double hockey sticks out of me!

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                                ChristinaMason RE: Cherylptw Mar 6, 2013 06:41 PM

                                <It's true that some postings are elaborate but it's what makes the thread interesting...it will be boring if we could only post something like: chicken, rice, broccoli and that's it. What's the point? I'm going to drop it now cause the whole thing just irritates the H double hockey sticks out of me!>

                                You make me smile. I love the thread, too, and always have.

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                                  Cherylptw RE: ChristinaMason Mar 6, 2013 07:47 PM

                                  Lol! (oops, don't know if this comment is out of place here or not?) It's all so confusing now....

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                                  LindaWhit RE: Cherylptw Mar 7, 2013 09:53 AM

                                  "it will be boring if we could only post something like: chicken, rice, broccoli and that's it."
                                  ~~~~~~~~~

                                  Agreed, Cheryl. Sometimes a bit of a back story as to how someone found an interesting ingredient they plan to use adds to my interest in reading a post. I used to post on an AOL Food board a gazillion years ago, and the rules of that board were NO chit-chat. Recipe only. I got bored with it very quickly and found others where people actually talked to each other and asked questions about what the others were making.

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                                    Mr Taster RE: LindaWhit Mar 7, 2013 10:21 AM

                                    Chit chat is fine as long as it's anchored to something that adds to the discourse and doesn't distract from it.

                                    For example:

                                    Alone, this is not good:
                                    "OMG! I'm so glad the candied turkey giblets and pig ear tartine worked out for your brother's hipster indoctrination party!!!!"

                                    But if you add this to the end, it becomes fine because it adds to the discourse:
                                    "At his hipster confirmation (where they coronate him with a tiny fedora hat), you should try the goat's bladder salami and pig trotter fricasee."

                                    Mr Taster

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                                      mariacarmen RE: Mr Taster Mar 7, 2013 03:12 PM

                                      so you're proposing a specific protocol on how to post?

                                      sheesh. sounds like a fun place.

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                                        Servorg RE: mariacarmen Mar 7, 2013 03:22 PM

                                        Anytime I've come with in a country mile of doing that (proposing a specific protocol on how to post), POOF! gone. Makes one wonder...

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                                          chowser RE: mariacarmen Mar 7, 2013 04:36 PM

                                          My feeling is people can post what they want. If someone is bothered/offended, let the moderators decide. But, we're all adults and don't need to be preached to on what is proper and not. I may not agree w/ the direction of a conversation but it's not my job to tell participants to stop and I see that happen often. And, I don't step in to tell them to stop telling people to stop. I let the moderators decide. There are people who would probably like to ban others just for misspellings.

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                                            Cherylptw RE: chowser Mar 7, 2013 06:51 PM

                                            I couldn't have said it better myself Chowser

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                                        Dirtywextraolives RE: LindaWhit Mar 7, 2013 01:35 PM

                                        ^^^^^ This is exactly what I have been trying to say, and Mr. Taster illustrates it perfectly. When you have five or more posts agreeing about how darling someone's pet is, it does not contribute to the conversation at all.

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                                          HillJ RE: Dirtywextraolives Mar 7, 2013 01:41 PM

                                          Unless it's a thread about how we feed our pets....which is now permitted discussion on NAF. :)

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                                            Dirtywextraolives RE: HillJ Mar 7, 2013 01:51 PM

                                            Okayyyyyy....... That's fine, I was referring to the whats for dinner thread, which I believe is still dedicated to what we're feeding humans.......

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                                              HillJ RE: Dirtywextraolives Mar 7, 2013 01:53 PM

                                              I know, I know. Just felt the need to bust ya chops.

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                                                Dirtywextraolives RE: HillJ Mar 7, 2013 01:58 PM

                                                Anytime!! ;-0))

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                                          Cherylptw RE: LindaWhit Mar 7, 2013 06:58 PM

                                          I can relate...what piques my interest now since this whole debacle started is reading that others dropped off the WFD thread because of chattiness...which is ironic because some who used to be on the site was just as, if not more chatty...hmm...perhaps we should come up with codes?

                                          Lord, I hope nothing happens tragically in anyone's personal life and it is mistakenly posted on WFD; they might shut us down for displaying words of sympathy...after all, it's not food related....

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                                            roxlet RE: Cherylptw Mar 8, 2013 04:11 AM

                                            I think that the people who left decided to leave not because of chattiness -- theirs or anyone else's -- but because there was an increasing tendency by some to use WFD almost as a food blog with posters downloading half a dozen photos or more per meal detailing every aspect of creation, from the mise en place to the end result. This often came with instructions as well, and for many people, it just seemed out of place on a thread such as WFD.

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                                          mariacarmen RE: Cherylptw Mar 7, 2013 03:11 PM

                                          agree 100% cherylptw. a lot of the other threads on CH seem to be of the ilk you describe - drier, more information-driven, no fluff (one might say personality) - but we're talking about making dinner for ourselves and our loved ones on WFD. what better place to be a bit chatty, to learn the backstory? the backstory so very often leads to new food knowledge.

                                          and yes, sometimes we use the "oh yums" (i'm guilty) too often, and i think the recommend button would help some with that (especially since i can see now it has already been implemented), but not always. and yes, sometimes someone talks about a pet (horrors!) and people respond, like humans do, and then we reel it back in, or someone says, hey, a bit too off topic, let's bring it back to food, and we do.

                                          but sometimes you just want to tell someone "that thing you're going to make for your husband or wife or kid, or that picture of the delicious thing you made for yourself, sounds/looks wonderful."

                                          if that irritates people, then yes, no need to drop by.

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                                        fldhkybnva RE: Cherylptw Mar 7, 2013 05:22 PM

                                        Thank you, look the other way.

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                                    2. chowser RE: roxlet Mar 6, 2013 01:34 PM

                                      This would be really useful in many situations. One I see is when someone asks, "is xxx, yy, or zzzzz better?" A count w/ people liking each suggestion is more helpful than a lot of people chiming in and making the thread too long. Or, is a certain restaurant/recipe worth trying out? It could be a simple thumbs up or down which is better than verbiage (a number of likes shows that it isn't a unique experience).

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                                        HillJ RE: roxlet Mar 7, 2013 06:43 AM

                                        DaveMP recently posted this comment on another thread:

                                        Very soon we're going to be introducing a "Recommend" button for Chowhound, which you'll be able to use to recommend helpful, interesting or useful posts from other users. More on this in the next week or so....thanks for your patience!

                                        While this practice might also turn into a popularity contest for those hyper focused on such unavoidable aspects of community speak, a Recommend button might just address the request for a Like button.

                                        The buttons don't do a thing for me and my experience but giving the people what they want does.

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                                          juliejulez RE: HillJ Mar 7, 2013 02:53 PM

                                          I'm replying here because I can't above.

                                          But I see the recommend button is now here. The only problem is, the popup screen that announces how to use the button, will not close out. I click on the X button but nothing happens. It covers the top 1/3 of every thread I click on. I've tried it in both Chrome and Internet Explorer.

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                                            suzigirl RE: juliejulez Mar 7, 2013 03:02 PM

                                            Same here. That blows reading new threads until they fix that.

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                                              HillJ RE: suzigirl Mar 7, 2013 03:08 PM

                                              suzigirl, I just changed your 0 to a 1 under recommend.

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                                                suzigirl RE: HillJ Mar 7, 2013 03:20 PM

                                                Cool. I've been recommended.

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                                                juliejulez RE: suzigirl Mar 7, 2013 03:21 PM

                                                It's fixed now, at least for me!

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                                                HillJ RE: juliejulez Mar 7, 2013 03:07 PM

                                                Report the issue under a new site topic heading so the the team can address it.

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                                                  juliejulez RE: juliejulez Mar 7, 2013 03:07 PM

                                                  Problem fixed, thanks!

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                                                    HillJ RE: juliejulez Mar 7, 2013 03:07 PM

                                                    I just hit the red RECOMMEND under your comment jj to illustrate that the number changed from 0 to 1.

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                                                      juliejulez RE: HillJ Mar 7, 2013 03:20 PM

                                                      OK? That wasn't really what I was talking about. There was a whole popup window that came up announcing the new button and it wouldn't go away. But it's fixed now.

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                                                        HillJ RE: juliejulez Mar 7, 2013 03:45 PM

                                                        funny, I realized later that was what you meant. I experienced the pop up too but didn't put two & two together...looks likes yes, Engr. nabbed that one.

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                                                2. Dave MP RE: roxlet Mar 7, 2013 05:02 PM

                                                  As many have probably seen, we introduced a recommend button today. Here's more details: http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/893316

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                                                    Breadcrumbs RE: Dave MP Mar 7, 2013 05:12 PM

                                                    Thanks Dave. Seeing your post here, can I ask, do you see this "RECOMMEND" button operating as a "Like" button? My instinct wouldn't have caused me to draw that conclusion.

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                                                      aching RE: Breadcrumbs Mar 7, 2013 05:20 PM

                                                      I was thinking the same thing but wondered if it would be too nit-picky and ungrateful to mention it? I do appreciate this attempt to meet CH users' needs and provide them with another way to engage. However, "recommend" and "like" don't mean the same thing to me. On the WFD threads, for instance, the suggestion was to have a like button to cut down on the "Ooh, that sounds delicious" responses - but "recommending" seems like it would only be appropriate if someone was posting about a particular dish or recipe that the recommender had made and would, well, recommend. Am I overthinking this?

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                                                      suzigirl RE: Dave MP Mar 7, 2013 05:26 PM

                                                      When someone hits recommend when it is to you, does it open the post like a new post or do you need to open the post to see it?

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                                                        HillJ RE: suzigirl Mar 7, 2013 05:31 PM

                                                        Right now the only comment I see is yours. The rest I've already read and they are closed. Any of the comments in this thread that have a Recommend #1 or more, are not open unless I go back and physically open them. So you ask a great question. How would we know there was a recommendation unless we expanded the entire thread every time we return to read it.

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                                                          suzigirl RE: HillJ Mar 7, 2013 06:02 PM

                                                          Looks like the kinks will be worked out as we post our concerns, I am sure. I hope. If posters hit recommend and I can't see unless I open it that would stink. And I would like to see who likes WFD meals so I can go back and make it.

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                                                            HillJ RE: HillJ Mar 8, 2013 02:57 AM

                                                            Once you hit the recommend button your personal profile is attached to that recommendation. A pop up appears with the CH's s/n attached and that links to that CH's personal comment page (under their profile). Interesting.

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                                                        2. re: Dave MP
                                                          Mr Taster RE: Dave MP Mar 7, 2013 08:20 PM

                                                          Dave, does the implementation of the "recommend" feature now mean that "+1" posts will be automatically deleted by the mods?

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                                                            The Chowhound Team RE: Mr Taster Mar 8, 2013 06:22 AM

                                                            Nope, we have no plans to do that.

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                                                              Servorg RE: The Chowhound Team Mar 8, 2013 06:37 AM

                                                              I am nonplussed...

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                                                                LindaWhit RE: Servorg Mar 8, 2013 06:41 AM

                                                                Bazinga! :-D

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                                                              John E. RE: Mr Taster Mar 8, 2013 09:05 AM

                                                              I have never understood the "+1" (+2, +3, etc.) posts. If I have a comment about a post, I actually have a comment and I write it.

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                                                                carolinadawg RE: John E. Mar 8, 2013 09:16 AM

                                                                So when you're having a "live" conversation with someone, you never say "yes", "ok", "uh-huh", "gotcha", "I agree", "defintely" or other such verbal shortcut to indicate agreement or concurrance? Thats essentially what "+1" is.

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                                                                  John E. RE: carolinadawg Mar 8, 2013 09:30 AM

                                                                  Sure I do, but this is written communication. If I agree with someone's point, I will amplify it and make a point of my own. If I agree with the post (which happens all the time) but I do not have anything to add to make a point, other than my general agreement with the post, I restrain myself, because by definition, it would be pointless.

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                                                                    carolinadawg RE: John E. Mar 8, 2013 09:39 AM

                                                                    I think "pointless" is too harsh, and there's certainly no definition that says so. Written communication can have a flow just like verbal communication can.

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                                                                      John E. RE: carolinadawg Mar 8, 2013 10:55 AM

                                                                      It seems you might be taking my thoughts on this side-topic a little too seriously. I do think the +1 stuff is pointless, but it doesn't rise to the level of annoyance, more like indifference and/or slight bewilderment.

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                                                                        carolinadawg RE: John E. Mar 8, 2013 11:00 AM

                                                                        Gotcha. I often take time to post about things to which I'm indifferent.

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                                                                        1. re: carolinadawg
                                                                          John E. RE: carolinadawg Mar 8, 2013 11:39 AM

                                                                          This thread is about the 'like' (recommend) button. The +1 was a side discussion that popped up. I don't care one way or the other whether you or anyone else uses the 'recommend' button or do the +1 thing. You're making way too much of this.

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                                                                      chowser RE: John E. Mar 8, 2013 11:03 AM

                                                                      I don't think it always is pointless, although I do understand your point and it is used too often. If someone complained about slow service at xxx restaurant, that's one view. But, if many others had the same problem and "recommended" the post, then you'd know it wasn't a one time thing. The place probably has a problem w/ slow service. Does it add anything if people say, "Well, I had to wait 20 minutes to be served." I can think of quite a few instances where it might be helpful, eg. recipe cook time is off, one person recommends a shorter time. When others +1 or however else they agree, it helps to know it isn't that one person's oven.

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                                                                        Servorg RE: chowser Mar 8, 2013 11:10 AM

                                                                        I would much (to the nth degree) prefer to open up, and even add a comment not realizing how old the original thread was, a 10 year old thread which contained new posts about current restaurants added to it now, than to open up a long thread just to find a +1 post, no matter how much those +1's served to echo someone's post.

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                                                                          chowser RE: Servorg Mar 8, 2013 11:24 AM

                                                                          Which is why "recommend"is so much better.

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                                                              2. re: Dave MP
                                                                Jay F RE: Dave MP Mar 7, 2013 10:15 PM

                                                                May we please have an "UNrecommend" button, too?

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                                                                  John E. RE: Jay F Mar 8, 2013 09:04 AM

                                                                  You can 'UNrecommend' by clicking on the recommend button again. (Ok, I know what you meant, but a 'reject' or 'disapprove' button would not really be a friendly, Chow-like thing to have, would it? Of course, that might be a self-serving statement on my part.)

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                                                                    SnackHappy RE: Jay F Mar 8, 2013 10:54 AM

                                                                    Let's just put Thumbs up and Thumbs down buttons everywhere and make this place even more juvenile.

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                                                                    1. re: SnackHappy
                                                                      Mr Taster RE: SnackHappy Mar 8, 2013 11:22 AM

                                                                      SnackHappy,

                                                                      You may recall that there was a similarly passionate debate about avatars (yea or nay) circa 2007. Much of the same arguments were made--

                                                                      Position A: Keep to the original vision of what made Chowhound great, and focus on the chow tips. Anything else is a distraction. Funny pics and cutesy things could draw in an element that is less focused on the chow and more focused on ditzy banter, which dilutes the signal to noise ratio and makes Chowhound weaker as a result. When that happens, the greatest 'hounds will move on to more delicious pastures.

                                                                      Position B: It's a tiny little icon in the corner. Ignore it if you don't like it. The world's not going to end.

                                                                      Much like this debate, one side makes logical arguments based on experience and rationality, and the other side (in that case, the ones who like avatars) get offended and take the emotional perspective of "get over yourselves"

                                                                      The fact that we're having these debates about fluffy jibber jabber five years later says to me that the concerns of signal:noise dilution circa 2007 have come true. (By the way, I'm not making the argument that this is due only to avatars.)

                                                                      However, I do give Chowhound's administators credit for creating segregated sections where the jibber jabber can be compartmentalized. The local boards, which is where the real soul of Chowhound lies, still remain largely focused on sussing out great chow tips. The fringe boards are the ones that foster the romper room.

                                                                      Again, I understand the need to drive large quantities of eyeballs to ads so the local boards can exist. And I think the 'hounds that be have probably done about as good a job as is possible in keeping the wheat separate from the chaff, while still doing what they need to do to keep the lights on.

                                                                      Mr Taster

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                                                                        roxlet RE: Mr Taster Mar 8, 2013 11:28 AM

                                                                        As far as the original intention of CH goes, many years have passed, and things change. One thing that has changed a lot, believe it or not, is the internet. Likely the original CH model would be considered a big snoozathon in today's internet world. But cling to your image of a glorious, pure past. That's what we have the word Luddite for. Why, oh, why can't everything stay the same?

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                                                                          carolinadawg RE: roxlet Mar 8, 2013 11:34 AM

                                                                          LOL. And forget those darn horseless carriages! They'll never catch on. Whats wrong with a perfectly good horse and buggy?

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                                                                          1. re: carolinadawg
                                                                            Mr Taster RE: carolinadawg Mar 8, 2013 11:37 AM

                                                                            A more apt analogy would be to take a Maserati and slowly strip out the engine parts, and patch the holes up with Hello Kitty stickers.

                                                                            Mr Taster

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                                                                              roxlet RE: Mr Taster Mar 8, 2013 11:41 AM

                                                                              If your vision of the CH of the past is like a Maserati, then enjoy your rose colored glasses. It's lovely to see things in such a happy and cheerful way. I see it more akin to an Oldsmobile that went through so many redesigns that it outlived its raison d'ĂȘtre.

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                                                                                Mr Taster RE: roxlet Mar 8, 2013 11:46 AM

                                                                                Actually you're right, the old pre-corporate Chowhound design wasn't flashy like a Maserati. In fact, it was damned crude and downright ugly. Essentially text only. But in terms of chow tips it ran like a dream.

                                                                                http://web.archive.org/web/2000051105...

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                                                                            chowser RE: roxlet Mar 8, 2013 11:51 AM

                                                                            In the past, pulling up a thread with over 100 posts took forever and would often lock up my computer. It was frustrating at that point, thankfully pre +1 days, to do that and see an "I agree." Now, long threads take almost no time to pull up. It's become a minor annoyance to see that, rather than a PITA.

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                                                                            John E. RE: Mr Taster Mar 8, 2013 11:45 AM

                                                                            I've only been on this site for about three years. I find my local board to be almost exclusively about restaurants. Is that about the same as the other local boards? (Not that I don't read my local board, I just don't have as much to contribute as others seem to because we don't dine out anywhere near as much as many of the frequent contributors seem to.)

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                                                                              Mr Taster RE: John E. Mar 8, 2013 11:52 AM

                                                                              John,

                                                                              Finding great places to eat has been the heart and soul of Chowhound since its inception... it's the reason for its existence in the first place. Although the focus was broader than just restaurants ("Where in Chatanooga can I find Quisp cereal?" or "I read Fuschia Dunlop's "Land of Plenty"- where can I find real Sichuan doubanjiang from Pixian county in Los Angeles?")

                                                                              The majority of posts on my board (Los Angeles) were about the little tiny non-American mom & pop places that allowed me to walk into a restaurant with no english on the menu and know exactly what I wanted to order.

                                                                              Fast forward ten years since I've been Chowhounding, and I now speak Mandarin and can order confidently, and even kid around with the servers a bit. For me, Chowhound has been a wonderful trip, opening cultural doors that I might not have been brave enough to go through without it. It is not an exaggeration to say it has changed my life for the better, and has been personally enriching in numerous ways. This is perhaps why I look a little sideways as the evolution of the fluffier elements of the site.

                                                                              Mr Taster

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                                                                                carolinadawg RE: John E. Mar 8, 2013 11:53 AM

                                                                                Yes.

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                                                                                SnackHappy RE: Mr Taster Mar 8, 2013 12:05 PM

                                                                                I'm fine with this segregation. Although it's sometimes tempting to chime in, I learned a long time ago that's it's best to leave some boards and threads alone. I stick to local boards and make the odd foray into boards like this one when I feel comfortable doing so.

                                                                                People have different ideas of what this place should be. I think the 'hounds lost out to the Chatty Cathies a while ago. This newest addition is just another move in that direction. I see my local board getting quieter and people just discussing the same old topics and places. I'm sure there will always be curious people wanting to have serious discussions here, but I fear the environment will become less an less welcoming to these discussions.

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                                                                        2. fldhkybnva RE: roxlet Mar 7, 2013 05:22 PM

                                                                          What is with this recent "What's for Dinner" thread hate? It's a fabulous thread.

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                                                                            chowser RE: fldhkybnva Mar 7, 2013 06:11 PM

                                                                            I'd also add that if you hate it, move on. I don't open one because they're so long and I don't care to see the list but it's just a few of many threads.

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                                                                          2. The Chowhound Team RE: roxlet Mar 8, 2013 11:55 AM

                                                                            Folks, this thread is getting pretty personal and attacky. We're going to lock it now.

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