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We're Number 4!!!!

For pizza...


(and New York was #3 so look out, here we come)

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      1. re: stillnotdon

        South Jersey... part of the Philly sphere of influence

            1. re: cwdonald

              Sorry, I was thinking back to when he opened Thomas Sweet Ice Cream. Was really meaning Central NJ.

    1. I stopped reading when I saw Chicago.
      Spent two years there, and overall, liked the place.
      That pizza was such a disappointment.

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      1. re: Bob Loblaw

        The whole article seemed to focus on overall number of good pizza places rather than quality. Exclusion of New Haven in my mind makes the whole list questionable... Inclusion of Philadelphia while nice I personally think that it doesnt represent the overall quality of "average" pizza in the city. We have tons of bad pizza.. a few stellar places.

        1. re: cwdonald

          The list is based on the Travel & Leisure online poll of random schmucks. Then they wrote up the copy afterwards. As I understand it, New Haven isn't included because it's not part of the T&L poll (too small?).

        2. re: Bob Loblaw

          Not sure if it was on this board but I recall a discussion regarding the issue that Chicago pizza should be called something other than Pizza. I have enjoyed the few Chicago pizzas I have tasted; but to me they are NOT pizza, they are something else. They would never satisfy me when in need of a slice.

          1. re: Bacchus101

            would have saved me some heartache.
            The thing is, not only do I love pizza, but i love thick, chewy pizza. it's out of style these days, but i really like a thick, doughy crust. the chicago cheezapalooza thing, though - not for me.

            1. re: Bob Loblaw

              Have you tried La Rosa pizza on Broad between Snyder and Jackson? It's a sort of Sicilian style square pizza. Really good.

              1. re: barryg

                No, never been there. Thanks for the tip - though I'm rarely down in that neck of the woods. So many places I've been wanting to get to...

          2. re: Bob Loblaw

            "I stopped reading when I saw Chicago."


          3. This entire list is a travesty. All it proves is that more people from chicago take online T&L polls and that their writers are lazy.

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            1. re: vnair2

              Understand your dissatisfaction with the T&L list and the Chicago centric result. Not sure what methodology could be used to provide a more accurate evaluation of a subject as wide ranging, with so many components (ten of thousands of shops) in each geography. It has been said that Americans especially love "Best of Lists" so readership is very high, thus we get all these highly flawed rankings. It has been noted here regarding Phila Mag., T&L and others that the results are highly questionable. Evaluations supported by details and knowledge of the subject are most valued by this poster. Agree or not with Laban and others of his ilk they most often do bring knowledge and thus value to their commentary.

            2. If there is ONE PIZZA that Philly holds up as the best and deserving of our bragging about to outsiders, what is it? (OK, I know asking for the 1 best is a fool's errand, but I'd be interested in trying 3 or 4 candidates.)

              BTW, if you haven't tried Vecchia in Phoenixville (recently got a shout out from LaBan), it is very good Neapolitan-style.


              [LOL, sorry, Chicago-style really IS pizza (especially "stuffed"!). You might as well ask an Italian if NY-style really is pizza. Of course they would say it isn't, but in my opinion you'd be missing out on some really good eats if you listened to them.


              What I always say: Who cares if it is authentic, as long as it tastes good?

              @PhillyBestBYOB on Twitter

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              1. re: PhillyBestBYOB

                Damnit, Chicago-style deep dish pizza is NOT pizza! It's pizza-flavored casserole! Just so we're straight on this...

                My favorite pizza in the city is at Cafe Michelangelo in the Far Northeast. Wood-burning oven, very thin, puffy crust, excellent toppings...I like to go with a friend and share the antipasto and a pizza Margherita. I don't recommend their pasta dished, but their pizzas are wonderful with no pretentiousness. Their antipasto is also great. One of the best meals in the city 2 people can do for well under $30.

                1. re: StrandedYankee

                  Yes exactly thats it, a tasty dough & tomato based casserole!

                  1. re: StrandedYankee

                    Yankee.. I agreed with you 10 years ago before I moved out of the Northeast.. Do you have to order in Russian now at Cafe Michelangelo?

                    1. re: cwdonald

                      CW, I can't say that it wouldn't help to order in Russian, but my lack thereof proved no problem. I was up that way back in January and stopped in. The pizza Margherita and the antipasto are as good as they ever were. And if they served blinis, I'll bet that they would be awesome too!

                  2. re: PhillyBestBYOB

                    "What I always say: Who cares if it is authentic, as long as it tastes good?"

                    me too, and Chicago style pizza just doesn't taste good (at least to me!)
                    it's heavy and greasy and lays like lead in your stomach, it's not PIZZA~
                    definition of Pizza:
                    a flat, open-faced baked pie of Italian origin, consisting of a thin layer of bread dough topped with spiced tomato sauce and cheese, often garnished with anchovies, sausage slices, mushrooms, etc

                    Thin Layer of Dough

                    literal translation of Pizze or Pizza is pie
                    Chicago style is not Pie
                    (I agree with Stranded Yankee it's a casserole)

                    1. re: cgarner

                      I see this new "recommend" button, but where's the "you don't know what you are missing" button???


                    2. re: PhillyBestBYOB

                      Ran across Jon Stewart's rant about deep dish from Chicago.. "When I look at your deep dish $#%^ ' pizza, I don't know whether to eat it or throw a coin in it and make a wish," Stewart says. "And if I made a wish, it would be that I'd wish for some real #$%@% pizza."

                      Couldnt agree more.. deep dish is a nice dish but not pizza in my book (and I loved the deep dish at the Nines in Ithaca during my college years... )

                      1. re: cwdonald

                        One year old thread but still the same discussion regarding the issue that Chicago pizza should be called something other than Pizza. I have enjoyed the few Chicago pizzas I have tasted; but to me they are NOT pizza, they are something else. They would never satisfy me when in need of a slice.

                    3. I grew up in Brooklyn when it was the mean streets. For my taste, the sauce on most Philadelphia pizza is too sweet.

                      1. Hey I like any positive press for Philly - we get dogged so often - and pizza here has definitely been on the upswing since I moved here years ago (I used to drive the stuff down with me from NYC) big bad dropoff for poor Baltimore one step above Orlando LOL

                        These articles are always stupid, shallow and more about making you click through ads but good mention is good

                        New Haven should rank!

                        1. I agree with the first choice. That's about it. :)

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                          1. Funny that they list Boston as #5. Complete pizza wasteland. Philly is definitely better than Boston for pizza.

                            1. Overlooking New Haven is a major bogey on this scorecard. A white clam pizza at Pepe's is ambrosia and a slice of heaven.

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                              1. re: Veggo

                                You have to read how the poll was conducted.. it was a poll of 36 cities across a variety of categories. New Haven would never make a top 36 list for anything other than pizza unless it was.. crime, towns with obnoxious ivy league schools, or top decaying cities in the northeast.

                                1. re: cwdonald

                                  New Haven has had a bit of urban renaissance in a few areas, but you are right- without Yale and pizza it leaves much to be desired. Philly has come a long was since I was a student there in the 70's.

                                  1. re: cwdonald

                                    I didn't know New Haven has a high crime rate. I better look it up later.

                                    1. re: Chemicalkinetics

                                      Probably average for an east coast city. Law enforcement is well staffed, as is security at Yale. It's nothing like Camden.

                                      1. re: Veggo

                                        Well, I came from Oakland and Trenton area, so I don't think a lot of things can scare me.

                                        1. re: Chemicalkinetics

                                          Here is a report from 2011.. when you make the top 10 most dangerous cities in the US according to the FBI, I think its a bit above average.. eh?


                                          1. re: cwdonald

                                            Startling and discouraging. But thank you for the information.

                                            1. re: cwdonald

                                              :) Yeah, I remember looking a similar list like this. Of course, there are the violent crime list for the cities, and total reported crime list....etc.